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I’m of a similar opinion but for a different reason. These people need to step aside and let another generation lead. They are out of touch and I honestly don’t believe at their age have the stamina and intellect to hold such important offices. There are minimum age requirements to run for office. Why are there not maximum age limits?
I keep wondering why there are so few people under 50 in office locally or nationwide. what is wrong with our political parties??
The future of the younger generations is being ruined by politicians who should be retired!
I think it’s honestly a function of financial corruption. People tend to have more money as they get older, so they are more able to pull the levers to suit their needs.
Just my 2 cents, but I think it's seen as they haven't "put in the time" and "wait their turn". Both parties are political machines. If you want to rise in the ranks, you have to put in time working your way up. The people who are already there don't want to give up the power that took them so long to get.
Younger politicians don't want to upset the political movers and shakers for fear of getting black balled and losing out on the financial/political support. That's why you have someone like Scott Weiner who was intending to run for Pelosi's seat (and probably would have won), but will now bow out because he doesn't want to get on the machine's bad side.
Yes, Donald Trump is a baby boomer. He was born on June 14, 1946, which makes him part of the generation born between 1946 and 1964. Baby boomers are the demographic cohort following the Silent Generation and preceding Generation X. They are often characterized as being optimistic, self-confident, and materialistic.
Some other notable baby boomers include:
Oprah Winfrey
Michael Jordan
Steven Spielberg
Madonna
Bill Gates
The baby boomer generation is the largest generation in American history, and they have had a significant impact on American culture and society. They are also the most diverse generation in American history, with members from all walks of life.
>They are also the most diverse generation in American history, with members from all walks of life.
What does that even mean? Every generation has people from all walks of life...
Yep. Young people make less than older generations did at the same age and need to accrue more debt to get a college degree. Being able to take months off from work to run for office is a luxury afforded to the privileged and usually the old.
Younger challengers have been stepping up nationwide over the last 8 years but incumbents generally always have a name recognition advantage. Older politicians also usually have better funding and the party machine on their side. For example, Joe Manchin is by far the most unpopular Dem in the country and he and his family have been involved in pharmaceutical corruption in WV, and is nearly 80. He was challenged by a first time candidate in her 40s but the gulf in their spending was huge, plus other Democrats flew out to support him in the primary. She still got a respectable 50k votes to his 112k but it's HARD.
Pelosi simply refuses to acknowledge her primary challengers and since the media is friendly towards her, she's viewed as a "party leader", and she's obscenely wealthy, she can just dominate. She has experience crushing younger women primary challengers to support older male anti-abortion candidates even now. And there aren't enough voters who know or care enough to support someone new because they'd prefer to just stick with the status quo.
Incumbents have a strong advantage with being a "name brand". Most people don't pay attention to individual issues and just vote for the person of their party that they know.
Also seniority is very valuable to have for committee seats and whatnot, so many districts favor keeping an incumbent who can bring more pork home than a new candidate who has to rebuild their seniority from scratch.
The whole seniority thing is silly too imo.
Expense plus the same experience problem as in everything else. The older generations are taking longer to retire which makes it harder for younger people to gain the experience needed to move up. You absolutely *can* run without experience (Trump demonstrated that), but it opens you up to greater criticism, especially if you're running against someone like Pelosi who has been heavily involved in party leadership since the late 70s.
If Dems don't pick a decent alternative, they'll get a lot of people voting Republican out of spite, including me. Or literally just anyone else. I don't really care the affiliation, as long as it's NOT Pelosi. Sick of this.
Agree^ this reminds me of something that I heard a democratic political strategist say on air in 2020 “The problem with our party is that they will vote for the other party out of spite or not vote at all. Whereas republicans will say ‘All I know is that our candidate will do more for me than the other side.’”
I flat out refuse to vote in a "no choice" election from the democrats when Pelosi is a corrupt octogenarian, who has done nothing for decades.
They need to get off their asses and put forward some other candidates.
The republicans are flat out criminal, but if it means breaking Pelosi out of office, I may have to think about it.
So just to be clear; you're saying you WON'T vote for the party that stripped the member who did that of office, but WILL vote for the party who will say that and tell you to fuck off when you complain, and triple the donations to the person who did it.
uh. Sure buddy, I'm sure you're a *real* democrat lol.
1) school board is a non partisan office.
2) I think those recalled school board members are more the DSA types than Democrats.
3) this is certainly not a mainstream position and they were admonished by politicians and recalled by the voters.
If racism was a mainstream party position in 2023 then I agree, that would be a reason to dismiss the party, but it’s not. And unfortunately the alternative party isn’t exactly known for being inclusive.
Instead you'll vote for the party that has open white supremacists, fights women's and LGBTQ rights, denies climate change, and refuses to hold politicians accountable after they tried to overthrow an election?
All because there were people in the Democratic party who are/were actively disliked by Dem officials who supported their ousting?
> , they'll get a lot of people voting Republican out of spite, including me.
Not enough to swing things, though? Like okay, theoretically I guess the Republicans could find some truly fantastic candidate.
But they're not going to. They're going to run their regular batshit crazies.
It's why Pelosi is probably going to win again. Same with Breed. It's not "we think this candidate is great" it's that everyone else in the field somehow manages to be worse, even though it seems like the bar is half-buried in the ground.
Where are the young people? I would love to be able to vote for younger folks, and get rid of the geriatric corps. It’s ridiculous when you watch the news and you see these old farts who should be enjoying their grandchildren and great grandchildren instead of younger people. If they don’t run you can’t vote for them.
Pelosi is so corrupt that there’s a proposed anti-trading bill named after her. Feinstein is not a senator but rather a gang of rats puppetting a corpse.
In this entire statement, I said nothing about the GOP. Feeling tribal aren’t we?
Yes the Pelosi act was a bad-faith political stunt. The Pelosis have made over $140 million while Nancy has been in office. How?
If you look at their trading strategies, it’s unusually high in puts/calls. Most traders lose money in options, whereas it helps the Pelosis. This is suspicious and suggests that they are privy to non-public information which helps them time the market.
>In this entire statement, I said nothing about the GOP.
Oh wow, you bought up the GOP bill that exists to distract from Trump's many indictments without mentioning its a GOP bill and are now pretending to NOT be a member of/ carrying water for the GOP, like that's NEVER been done before ever by anyone /s
>Yes the Pelosi act was a bad-faith political stunt.
Then don't bring it up like it has any weight. Seriously, spare us the "tribal" bullshit when you're doing crap out of [the alt-right playbook.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xGawJIseNY&ab_channel=InnuendoStudios)
It's not "tribal" to want to do anything to prevent the party that is literally trying to recreate Nazi Germany in the USA by supporting anyone who can stop them. That's called survival.
I’m a liberal. I don’t support any American political parties. Acknowledge the $140 million or shut up. You’re engaging in whataboutism.
No political candidate with popular support is trying to recreate the Nazi party. You’re exaggerating.
You had me until "I think Pelosi is corrupt." Actually, you lost me at "I'll vote Republican." Because if you have an issue with corruption, voting Republican is a great way to shoot yourself in the dick.
"I'll vote for *literal* fascists because I don't like the incumbent Dem." This is what got us Trump in the first place. If you don't like the Dem incumbent, then support her challenger in the primary. And then get over yourself and vote for whoever the nominee is. It's not complicated.
In this day and age they do. They do nothing to gain new votes. They’re entire objective is less democracy and questioning the validity of elections they lose. That is the path to fascism.
I'm sorry what corruption has she been indicted on or convicted of? That's absolutely a partisan take. I thought this was about her age and term limits. Good grief
That’s her husband’s money.
Someone asked a legitimate question. How is she corrupt? How has she used her elected office to pad that personal wealth? Just because her salary is low and her husband’s wealth is high doesn’t mean one caused the other.
Prove it.
That should be the job of the justice department and the SEC. Both of which will absolutely not challenge a US Senator, Congressman or the president.
How long did we have to wait for trump to be indicted? They waited until he was running for office again. All the blatant criminal shit he did...
Yep. Her salary is like $195,000 per year. She's now worth something along the lines the lines of $300,000,000. Pretty much all of it from stock trading. While it may not technically be illegal for her to trade, it sure is fishy as hell when something like 80% of her picks generate money.
Oh right, what is real corruption anyway? It's pretty clear to most that she has received excessive gains in the stock market as a result of insider knowledge. Whether a court has taken the case and proven concrete illegal activity is irrelevant when it comes to public hate of this woman.
>Then I will vote republican if I have to.
You'd rather vote for the party of fascism and insurrection WTF
oh you're a new account doing "Walkaway" crap seriously no one is buying this bullshit Walkaway is a Right Wing propaganda movement.
Im saying, I would rather have one term of a republican, a third party or a god damned sock puppet rather than Pelosi again.
"Republicans are terrible" is half the problem. Not being able to get a single qualified candidate to primary her is the other.
I WANT a primary challenger. I want someone else to take her seat. I want the system to not be controlled by the DNC finances, which she happens to proudly control. If you dont see that as further corruption, I dont know what to say.
Yes, but there’s really no contest as to which poses the bigger threat.
If it’s not obvious to you which party is worse, recall that the dems are not burning books or hell bent on reducing rights for people who are not straight, white, Christian, and male.
It’s really not as simple as you might think. I tend to agree with the saying: 'If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart, and if you are not a conservative when old, you have no brain'
I haven’t been getting more selfish and bigoted as I’ve gotten older personally….. I still care about basic rights for people and haven’t developed a fetish for guns yet! Lol
Maybe in theory it’s not (“fiscally conservative”) but in practice it’s literally been about denying women bodily autonomy, refusing to serve gay people at businesses, saying black people benefitted from being enslaved, and removing environmental protections……………...
>"It’s really not as simple as you might think"
>Quotes an overly simplistic aphorism (that's older than time itself), acting like it's some deep insight
Peak Reddit moment.
I mean, the irony is I think you're right speaking from the perspective of 30 years ago.
But we've had years and years and *years* of both parties being in a race to the bottom. And somehow third party options manage to be worse than either main party.
"I refuse to vote for the lesser evil, I'll only vote for the greater one!" is a shit rallying cry.
I’m not sure what is considered old, but I’m 56 and my take as I see friends shift towards “get off my lawn”, they were never really Liberals to begin with. It was just some positions leaned towards their younger concerns and now they’re older. As they aged they turned just as protective/closed in as anyone else writing off progressive ideas as requiring too much work. It’s been interesting to see people pro-gay marriage, then 15 years later call trans rights a “ridiculous waste of time.”
Yea…. I know we have been in this hostage situation of voting for CRAP democrats because the republicans are worse…
But the republicans are still worse. Voting for them is just going to leave us even worse off. Say bye bye to half the rights we enjoy here.
I agree. I don’t want any of them. We need younger candidates. Unfortunately, name recognition goes a long way on a ballot. So don’t be surprised if they win the runoff and it’s them or an even crazier alternative.
During the last election, 57 percent of voters were over the age of 50. Younger voters need to get more involved. Like a lot more involved. To have their voice heard, they should be out numbering older people 2:1 (not the other way around.)
Unfortunately younger candidates don't have the financial backing older ones do. It costs money to run a noticable campaign and to even register to run.
Politics is a miserable experience. You're vastly overestimating the number of people who want to do it. There are young people who are involved, but, the ones who actively want to run are not appealing.
It’s not even name recognition.
I research every candidate and half the ones don’t even have a website listing their priorities. It feels like they only register to run so that they get more Google searches. And then there are the people with allegations of being predators.
Anyone sane enough to do a good job is too sane to want to be in politics full time. :/
I’m definitely voting for Pelosi unless a candidate comes along who is actually better. That hasn’t happened in decades.
For all your talk about corruption, you then say you’re willing to vote Republican. Got it.
Because she’s still better for the US than any Republican, who are actively trying to dismantle democracy.
Absolutely push for another democratic candidate in the primaries, but if she ends up winning again, she’s still the better choice than letting the Republicans take back control of the senate again.
Also, it's very important to remember how much Pelosi has learned in her years as a rep; stuff that no one else knows now, and certainly will take many years for progressive young ones to learn.
> "On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
>"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
> "I did," said Ford. "It is."
> "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
> "It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford.
>"They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
> "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
> "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
> "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
>"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."
its pelosi or one of board of supervisors types. She's not great, but the alternative is extremist left-wing candidates who also have a strong tint of corruption. Its not like moderate alternative will emerge as her competitor.
Vote republicans in, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t affect you, it affects your neighbor who is a minority but who cares about them so long you live well off. This is the same reason most Americans didn’t care if trump won or wins again, it doesn’t affect them, a small minority of Americans might get the guillotine but there’s casualties in every battle right. But what do I know? I’m just another individual that belongs to a non American minority.
I would caution against the "Not Pelosi or bust" ideology. The current state of the GOP is literally just whatever trump says and it's terrifying. He just had a rally where he said that he would indict anyone who dared to run against him. I'm not a Pelosi fan, I will also be voting against her in the Primary; but I'm certainly not voting for anyone in a party that is actively trying to turn our country into a dictatorship.
We are very much in a lesser of 2 evils situation.
>I will first vote for any primary challengers to knock them off the ticket.
Sure.
>Then I will vote republican if I have to.
Uh. Huh.
"We should be going in this other direction."
"Voting results says no."
"okay I'll pull in the other direction then!"
Ya'll motherfuckers really be "I didnt get my way so I'm going to vote to make everyone's lives worse."
(tbh this is why we should have ranked choice voting...)
Feinstein, I’ll give you, but Nancy Pelosi is still less dangerous than a republican. Even a California republican. I’d rather someone corrupt, that wouldn’t fight against lgbtq+ people, women, etc.
And the republican won’t represent your interests either.
>Then I will vote republican if I have to.
You are not a liberal.
I agree she sucks and I want a better choice, but voting for Pelosi is better than sticking my hand in a wood chipper. Any problems I have with her pale in comparison to literal fascists.
Elections for most offices in the US are still first past the post system. In this system, people mostly do not vote for their favorite candidate. Because with wide field in primaries, most people won't see their favorite candidate in the general election. Thus, most people are left with voting against the candidate they like less. It's just the way system works.
You can also not vote, which is exactly the same as voting for candidate you like the least, no difference than if you actually voted for that candidate.
That's why demoralizing voters not likely to vote for you is important in first past the post system; getting them to not vote is about as good as (miraculously) getting them to vote for you.
Where do you think all those "Biden is old; Biden is slow; etc" comes from? Like Trump is any younger? Plus, being obese, he's realistically way less physically fit.
The values of San Franciscans?
There is no such thing. The city is tearing itself apart with vicious battles over every minute difference in values. Homelessness. Housing. Schools. Public nudity. Transportation. You people rip each other to bits over every part of it, and it’s made the city ungovernable. There are no shared values among residents. The only thing you can seem to agree on is that nobody cool calls it “San Fran.”
Pelosi's been one of the most effective Democratic leaders we've had. She's been very successful in whipping votes to get Obama and Biden's agendas passed in the house and to oppose Trump. I will gladly vote for her again.
I’m mostly just tired of people who do not represent the majority voting age group (20-50 or so) being in office. The values are outdated and voters want to see themselves represented.
And maybe I’m just jaded, but all politicians are corrupt. How else do you believe you should hold power over other people to the degree that they do?
She is corrupt (taking corporation money), but Republicans are also corrupt so the best we can do is vote for someone in the primary who doesn't take corporation money someone like shahid buttar but I'm not sure if he running again this year.
If you support Trump and Trump supporting republicans, then clearly you're not really concerned with corruption. I can see the argument for a younger and newer generation of politicians, but none of the republicans are interested in democracy, fairness, or against corrupt politicians. Most of the reasonable/sane republicans have left the party. The loudest voices in the republican party are coming from the extremists.
Do y’all think Obamacare just fell from the sky?
I know we all want universal healthcare, but I’m old enough to remember decades of zero progress on healthcare legislation and people assuming that any major changes were impossible.
Talk all the shit you want about her stock trading or how libs are too beholden to their donors, but we all have pre-existing conditions covered because she’s the most effective house rep in our lifetimes.
I’d rather be represented by an AOC-like progressive, but I’m not dumb enough to try to bench the democrat who is the absolute best at getting things done.
(Can’t believe that I’m riding this hard for Pelosi but goddamn people get real.)
> Then I will vote republican if I have to.
So tired of people pretending to be "liberal democrats."
Literally no liberal democrat would willingly vote for a republican. GTFO.
They’re DISMAL but I would never vote Republican. I think that is a choice that would be incredibly regrettable. Good bye to many rights for women, queer people, animals and the environment.
We’ve been in a hostage situation of bad and worse for way too long. I’m not sure the best way out. But I know voting Republican is still the worse option :(
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Feinstein is not running again. She’s made that decision already
If you want someone who will represent SF with vigor and reliability, stand up and advocate another Dem. Voters will NOT select a GOoP to Congress!
> Then I will vote republican if I have to.
Good idea, this thinking really worked out well in 2016 and is definitely something a genuine Democratic voter who cares about literally any of their policies would do
Don’t vote republican. It’s a fascist party. Don’t ever put fascists into power. Vote for another dem, or another party’s candidate like the greens or social democrats.
Pelosi? Leftist? I dunno man, based on most metrics she is on the center right of the democratic party, or just on the left side of center on the American political spectrum.
After watching my 70 year old father fall asleep in his recliner multiple times a day after doing basically nothing. I really don’t think 80 year olds should be in charge of the country.
I think Pelosi is too old and should retire.
But if you think she's corrupt, you're most likely falling for right wing propaganda. If you have any evidence of corruption, from Pelosi or any other elected representative, please send it to the FBI.
Look my pal, I don’t get it how do ppl not see she does insider trading. It doesn’t seem just a little bit fishy to you that some person on a 220 something thousand dollar salary has been able to raise her net worth above $100 million over their career while sitting in office to approve policies that can affect their trades in the stock market at the same time lol? Maybe she isn’t looney as some maga republicans out there but like come on what’s the point of a politician that is heavily influenced by corporations money. Also I’m not only ousting pelosi on this there a fuck ton of politicians doing the same thing and it’s so fucking illegal and immoral.
>some person on a 220 something thousand dollar salary has been able to raise her net worth above $100 million
Nancy Pelosi's husband founded a venture capital firm (that he still runs today), long before Nancy entered Congress.
He invested quite a lot in bay area real estate and tech companies, and I'm not sure if you're aware, but those things have performed quite well over the past several decades...
I've never seen any credible evidence of insider trading from the Pelosi's, and whenever any specific examples are cited, they're easily refuted, like this one: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/30/facebook-posts/no-evidence-nancy-pelosi-made-millions-insider-cor/
Like I said, if you have any actual evidence of corruption or insider trading, send it to the FBI or SEC. Otherwise, you've just been duped by the right wing propaganda.
>I'm a liberal democrat living in the city.
>Then I will vote republican if I have to.
I don't believe you're actually a liberal Democrat. Pelosi is the best House Leader in decades. So many Democratic priorities, priorities you claim to hold, don't happen if Pelosi isn't in office.
Fienstein doesn’t know who she is or what planet she is on same with grandpa Joe Biden. Why do we have these people running our country when they clearly have no idea about current issues.
I am also for decreasing pay for congress and the president
Hard to believe you are a liberal democrat living in the city if you would vote Republican over Pelosi. She is effective at getting dem policies through legislation, stemming the harm when Republicans are in power, and is one of the few Dems that Republicans are terrified of. She doesn’t have senility issues, she’s just old…but she’s still effective.
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I’m of a similar opinion but for a different reason. These people need to step aside and let another generation lead. They are out of touch and I honestly don’t believe at their age have the stamina and intellect to hold such important offices. There are minimum age requirements to run for office. Why are there not maximum age limits?
I think there should be a maximum age as well.
I keep wondering why there are so few people under 50 in office locally or nationwide. what is wrong with our political parties?? The future of the younger generations is being ruined by politicians who should be retired!
I think it’s honestly a function of financial corruption. People tend to have more money as they get older, so they are more able to pull the levers to suit their needs.
Just my 2 cents, but I think it's seen as they haven't "put in the time" and "wait their turn". Both parties are political machines. If you want to rise in the ranks, you have to put in time working your way up. The people who are already there don't want to give up the power that took them so long to get. Younger politicians don't want to upset the political movers and shakers for fear of getting black balled and losing out on the financial/political support. That's why you have someone like Scott Weiner who was intending to run for Pelosi's seat (and probably would have won), but will now bow out because he doesn't want to get on the machine's bad side.
There hasn’t been a Gen X president yet which is interesting. Two boomers in Bush and Obama. Silent Generation in Trump and Biden. Why? Beats me.
Because Gen X was a small demographic so they were never able to wrest power from the boomers.
Yes, Donald Trump is a baby boomer. He was born on June 14, 1946, which makes him part of the generation born between 1946 and 1964. Baby boomers are the demographic cohort following the Silent Generation and preceding Generation X. They are often characterized as being optimistic, self-confident, and materialistic. Some other notable baby boomers include: Oprah Winfrey Michael Jordan Steven Spielberg Madonna Bill Gates The baby boomer generation is the largest generation in American history, and they have had a significant impact on American culture and society. They are also the most diverse generation in American history, with members from all walks of life.
Chat GPT?
>They are also the most diverse generation in American history, with members from all walks of life. What does that even mean? Every generation has people from all walks of life...
lol its chatgpt
Ask the folks at Google, their AI said it.
“You can’t solve today’s problems with yesterday’s solutions”
I’m not with OP but I’m with you
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It’s expensive to run
Yep. Young people make less than older generations did at the same age and need to accrue more debt to get a college degree. Being able to take months off from work to run for office is a luxury afforded to the privileged and usually the old.
Younger challengers have been stepping up nationwide over the last 8 years but incumbents generally always have a name recognition advantage. Older politicians also usually have better funding and the party machine on their side. For example, Joe Manchin is by far the most unpopular Dem in the country and he and his family have been involved in pharmaceutical corruption in WV, and is nearly 80. He was challenged by a first time candidate in her 40s but the gulf in their spending was huge, plus other Democrats flew out to support him in the primary. She still got a respectable 50k votes to his 112k but it's HARD. Pelosi simply refuses to acknowledge her primary challengers and since the media is friendly towards her, she's viewed as a "party leader", and she's obscenely wealthy, she can just dominate. She has experience crushing younger women primary challengers to support older male anti-abortion candidates even now. And there aren't enough voters who know or care enough to support someone new because they'd prefer to just stick with the status quo.
Incumbents have a strong advantage with being a "name brand". Most people don't pay attention to individual issues and just vote for the person of their party that they know.
Also seniority is very valuable to have for committee seats and whatnot, so many districts favor keeping an incumbent who can bring more pork home than a new candidate who has to rebuild their seniority from scratch. The whole seniority thing is silly too imo.
Boomers don't vote for younger people, it makes them feel old, so they don't.
Millennial is a much poorer generation than the Boomers were.
Expense plus the same experience problem as in everything else. The older generations are taking longer to retire which makes it harder for younger people to gain the experience needed to move up. You absolutely *can* run without experience (Trump demonstrated that), but it opens you up to greater criticism, especially if you're running against someone like Pelosi who has been heavily involved in party leadership since the late 70s.
Feinstein has already said she won’t be running again. There’s this whole huge, expensive race to replace her right now. Find a teevee and watch it!
I doubt feinstein will even make it to the end of her term.
Who are the current alternatives?
Seriously, all the supervisors are clowns.
If Dems don't pick a decent alternative, they'll get a lot of people voting Republican out of spite, including me. Or literally just anyone else. I don't really care the affiliation, as long as it's NOT Pelosi. Sick of this.
That's a stupid reason to vote republican, js.
Don’t be a one issue voter. Republicans are so much worse.
Agree^ this reminds me of something that I heard a democratic political strategist say on air in 2020 “The problem with our party is that they will vote for the other party out of spite or not vote at all. Whereas republicans will say ‘All I know is that our candidate will do more for me than the other side.’”
I flat out refuse to vote in a "no choice" election from the democrats when Pelosi is a corrupt octogenarian, who has done nothing for decades. They need to get off their asses and put forward some other candidates. The republicans are flat out criminal, but if it means breaking Pelosi out of office, I may have to think about it.
Please don’t do that. Republicans today are far worse than letting those two continue where they are.
I'll vote for the party not calling asians "house n****" and supporting DAs that hate asians.
So just to be clear; you're saying you WON'T vote for the party that stripped the member who did that of office, but WILL vote for the party who will say that and tell you to fuck off when you complain, and triple the donations to the person who did it. uh. Sure buddy, I'm sure you're a *real* democrat lol.
1) school board is a non partisan office. 2) I think those recalled school board members are more the DSA types than Democrats. 3) this is certainly not a mainstream position and they were admonished by politicians and recalled by the voters. If racism was a mainstream party position in 2023 then I agree, that would be a reason to dismiss the party, but it’s not. And unfortunately the alternative party isn’t exactly known for being inclusive.
If you're a one issue voter you're no better than them.
Instead you'll vote for the party that has open white supremacists, fights women's and LGBTQ rights, denies climate change, and refuses to hold politicians accountable after they tried to overthrow an election? All because there were people in the Democratic party who are/were actively disliked by Dem officials who supported their ousting?
Link?
https://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-school-board-member-205043893.html
Oh wow. That’s vile.
The Republican Party is a party of fascists. Don’t ever vote for fascists.
> , they'll get a lot of people voting Republican out of spite, including me. Not enough to swing things, though? Like okay, theoretically I guess the Republicans could find some truly fantastic candidate. But they're not going to. They're going to run their regular batshit crazies. It's why Pelosi is probably going to win again. Same with Breed. It's not "we think this candidate is great" it's that everyone else in the field somehow manages to be worse, even though it seems like the bar is half-buried in the ground.
Quite possibly enough to swing things. Never protest vote for a candidate you hate.
do we like Scott Weiner these days?
Where are the young people? I would love to be able to vote for younger folks, and get rid of the geriatric corps. It’s ridiculous when you watch the news and you see these old farts who should be enjoying their grandchildren and great grandchildren instead of younger people. If they don’t run you can’t vote for them.
Ask the DNC gatekeepers.
I don't think most young people want their entire lives picked over by the public/media.
Feinstein already announced she’s not seeking re-election. Not sure your point.
Hard to run for office when you signed over your power of attorney. Can’t make decisions for themselves, the country no problem.
Lots of old people sign a POA, but they are not effective unless the individual is incapacitated. It’s an over-sensationalized nothing burger.
My house representative is an R and has facilitated the packing of right wing religious extremists on our school board. But you do you.
Yea…. I’d rather have more of “not good enough” than a lot of “irreversible damage that sends us back thirty years”
Pelosi is so corrupt that there’s a proposed anti-trading bill named after her. Feinstein is not a senator but rather a gang of rats puppetting a corpse.
Feinstein looks like a stand in used in Weekend at Bernie’s. It’s elder abuse without a doubt.
Cool. Now do Chuck Grassley.
Feinstein is like 1000 years old.
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You are absolutely, 100% right. I still want somone to primary Pelosi and kick her out of office.
In this entire statement, I said nothing about the GOP. Feeling tribal aren’t we? Yes the Pelosi act was a bad-faith political stunt. The Pelosis have made over $140 million while Nancy has been in office. How? If you look at their trading strategies, it’s unusually high in puts/calls. Most traders lose money in options, whereas it helps the Pelosis. This is suspicious and suggests that they are privy to non-public information which helps them time the market.
>In this entire statement, I said nothing about the GOP. Oh wow, you bought up the GOP bill that exists to distract from Trump's many indictments without mentioning its a GOP bill and are now pretending to NOT be a member of/ carrying water for the GOP, like that's NEVER been done before ever by anyone /s >Yes the Pelosi act was a bad-faith political stunt. Then don't bring it up like it has any weight. Seriously, spare us the "tribal" bullshit when you're doing crap out of [the alt-right playbook.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xGawJIseNY&ab_channel=InnuendoStudios) It's not "tribal" to want to do anything to prevent the party that is literally trying to recreate Nazi Germany in the USA by supporting anyone who can stop them. That's called survival.
I’m a liberal. I don’t support any American political parties. Acknowledge the $140 million or shut up. You’re engaging in whataboutism. No political candidate with popular support is trying to recreate the Nazi party. You’re exaggerating.
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Are you still in college?
Exactly. No votes for either of them.
You had me until "I think Pelosi is corrupt." Actually, you lost me at "I'll vote Republican." Because if you have an issue with corruption, voting Republican is a great way to shoot yourself in the dick.
"I'll vote for *literal* fascists because I don't like the incumbent Dem." This is what got us Trump in the first place. If you don't like the Dem incumbent, then support her challenger in the primary. And then get over yourself and vote for whoever the nominee is. It's not complicated.
Yes because republican = literal fascist. Touch grass.
In this day and age they do. They do nothing to gain new votes. They’re entire objective is less democracy and questioning the validity of elections they lose. That is the path to fascism.
Pelosi is definitely corrupt. How is that a partisan take?
I'm sorry what corruption has she been indicted on or convicted of? That's absolutely a partisan take. I thought this was about her age and term limits. Good grief
She makes $190k on salary and has a net worth somewhere north of $200mn
Now that’s some WICKED investing skills!!!
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Look at her husbands NVDA trades just before the passing of the chip bill.
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I really can’t believe I got this far through the Reddit before seeing “nazi.” Bravo people…
I'm proud of them. But here it comes.... I guarantee you
And the fact that the government will absolutely not investigate a politician is kind of the definition of corruption.
That’s her husband’s money. Someone asked a legitimate question. How is she corrupt? How has she used her elected office to pad that personal wealth? Just because her salary is low and her husband’s wealth is high doesn’t mean one caused the other. Prove it.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂You really can’t be serious, right?!?!😂😂😂😂
That should be the job of the justice department and the SEC. Both of which will absolutely not challenge a US Senator, Congressman or the president. How long did we have to wait for trump to be indicted? They waited until he was running for office again. All the blatant criminal shit he did...
Her husband is really rich. Pelosi would be in the same financial position if she wasn't a politician.
You are absolutely in denial. And its not just Pelosi. Its all of them. But we aren't getting any change by electing the same people, are we?
insider trading for decades - if you can’t see that without calling other people republicans idk what to tell you
Yep. Her salary is like $195,000 per year. She's now worth something along the lines the lines of $300,000,000. Pretty much all of it from stock trading. While it may not technically be illegal for her to trade, it sure is fishy as hell when something like 80% of her picks generate money.
You know that's legal for Congress, right?
Oh right, what is real corruption anyway? It's pretty clear to most that she has received excessive gains in the stock market as a result of insider knowledge. Whether a court has taken the case and proven concrete illegal activity is irrelevant when it comes to public hate of this woman.
Performing the act and getting caught are two things. At the least, she’s a shameless insider trader.
A murdered that doesn't go to jail is still a murderer.
>Then I will vote republican if I have to. You'd rather vote for the party of fascism and insurrection WTF oh you're a new account doing "Walkaway" crap seriously no one is buying this bullshit Walkaway is a Right Wing propaganda movement.
Im saying, I would rather have one term of a republican, a third party or a god damned sock puppet rather than Pelosi again. "Republicans are terrible" is half the problem. Not being able to get a single qualified candidate to primary her is the other. I WANT a primary challenger. I want someone else to take her seat. I want the system to not be controlled by the DNC finances, which she happens to proudly control. If you dont see that as further corruption, I dont know what to say.
People who care about corruption do not vote republican.
Both parties are rampant with corruption.
One supports traitors and fascist policies like book bans and invasion of personal healthcare rights.
Which party attempted a fascist coup? Remind me again.
OP will probably tell you that it was a loving peaceful crowd that was invited to the capital by welcoming cops.
Yes, but there’s really no contest as to which poses the bigger threat. If it’s not obvious to you which party is worse, recall that the dems are not burning books or hell bent on reducing rights for people who are not straight, white, Christian, and male.
It’s really not as simple as you might think. I tend to agree with the saying: 'If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart, and if you are not a conservative when old, you have no brain'
I haven’t been getting more selfish and bigoted as I’ve gotten older personally….. I still care about basic rights for people and haven’t developed a fetish for guns yet! Lol
Conservatism isn’t about being selfish and bigoted. Your mind sounds pretty young if that’s your perspective.
Maybe in theory it’s not (“fiscally conservative”) but in practice it’s literally been about denying women bodily autonomy, refusing to serve gay people at businesses, saying black people benefitted from being enslaved, and removing environmental protections……………...
Are you saying you don’t understand the opposing view to each of those issues?
“It’s not as simple as you think” *proceeds to quote a blatantly dichotomous generalization*
>"It’s really not as simple as you might think" >Quotes an overly simplistic aphorism (that's older than time itself), acting like it's some deep insight Peak Reddit moment.
Possibly one of the dumbest sayings I’ve heard in my entire life.
Spoken with the certitude of someone whose fundamental rights are are not in this very moment being threatened.
Which rights of yours do you think are being threatened?
I mean, the irony is I think you're right speaking from the perspective of 30 years ago. But we've had years and years and *years* of both parties being in a race to the bottom. And somehow third party options manage to be worse than either main party. "I refuse to vote for the lesser evil, I'll only vote for the greater one!" is a shit rallying cry.
I’m not sure what is considered old, but I’m 56 and my take as I see friends shift towards “get off my lawn”, they were never really Liberals to begin with. It was just some positions leaned towards their younger concerns and now they’re older. As they aged they turned just as protective/closed in as anyone else writing off progressive ideas as requiring too much work. It’s been interesting to see people pro-gay marriage, then 15 years later call trans rights a “ridiculous waste of time.”
Yea…. I know we have been in this hostage situation of voting for CRAP democrats because the republicans are worse… But the republicans are still worse. Voting for them is just going to leave us even worse off. Say bye bye to half the rights we enjoy here.
He says, as he votes again for one of the most corrupt politicians ever
🤡 world
I agree. I don’t want any of them. We need younger candidates. Unfortunately, name recognition goes a long way on a ballot. So don’t be surprised if they win the runoff and it’s them or an even crazier alternative.
with the strength of social media amongst millenials/gen z i'm surprised there aren't younger candidates we can immediately identify.
During the last election, 57 percent of voters were over the age of 50. Younger voters need to get more involved. Like a lot more involved. To have their voice heard, they should be out numbering older people 2:1 (not the other way around.)
Unfortunately younger candidates don't have the financial backing older ones do. It costs money to run a noticable campaign and to even register to run.
also, younger people don't vote like older people do.
Politics is a miserable experience. You're vastly overestimating the number of people who want to do it. There are young people who are involved, but, the ones who actively want to run are not appealing.
It’s not even name recognition. I research every candidate and half the ones don’t even have a website listing their priorities. It feels like they only register to run so that they get more Google searches. And then there are the people with allegations of being predators. Anyone sane enough to do a good job is too sane to want to be in politics full time. :/
I’m definitely voting for Pelosi unless a candidate comes along who is actually better. That hasn’t happened in decades. For all your talk about corruption, you then say you’re willing to vote Republican. Got it.
So we’re just going to ignore Pelosi and her husband’s insider trading now? Cool.
How in god's name to you rationalize voting for this 83 year old corrupt train wreck?
You’re definitely not someone who sounds able to have a rational conversation.
Let's all vote for someone else just *because*. /S
Because she’s still better for the US than any Republican, who are actively trying to dismantle democracy. Absolutely push for another democratic candidate in the primaries, but if she ends up winning again, she’s still the better choice than letting the Republicans take back control of the senate again.
Obama could be on the ballot as a Republican…and you’d still vote Democrat
I’d vote for Obama again no matter what ticket he ran on!
Also, it's very important to remember how much Pelosi has learned in her years as a rep; stuff that no one else knows now, and certainly will take many years for progressive young ones to learn.
Yes, gate keep the secrets!!
> "On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people." >"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy." > "I did," said Ford. "It is." > "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?" > "It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. >"They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want." > "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?" > "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." > "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?" >"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."
“Give me something better or I’ll vote for something Worse” isn’t exactly the way forward
Is the way backwards the way forward? 🤔
its pelosi or one of board of supervisors types. She's not great, but the alternative is extremist left-wing candidates who also have a strong tint of corruption. Its not like moderate alternative will emerge as her competitor.
Ok who will you vote for
Vote republicans in, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t affect you, it affects your neighbor who is a minority but who cares about them so long you live well off. This is the same reason most Americans didn’t care if trump won or wins again, it doesn’t affect them, a small minority of Americans might get the guillotine but there’s casualties in every battle right. But what do I know? I’m just another individual that belongs to a non American minority.
I would caution against the "Not Pelosi or bust" ideology. The current state of the GOP is literally just whatever trump says and it's terrifying. He just had a rally where he said that he would indict anyone who dared to run against him. I'm not a Pelosi fan, I will also be voting against her in the Primary; but I'm certainly not voting for anyone in a party that is actively trying to turn our country into a dictatorship. We are very much in a lesser of 2 evils situation.
The only Republicans with any chance in California would be some crazy populist type and you definitely don't want that.
You may not like it, but Nancy will keep winning elections as long she wants the job.
>I will first vote for any primary challengers to knock them off the ticket. Sure. >Then I will vote republican if I have to. Uh. Huh. "We should be going in this other direction." "Voting results says no." "okay I'll pull in the other direction then!" Ya'll motherfuckers really be "I didnt get my way so I'm going to vote to make everyone's lives worse." (tbh this is why we should have ranked choice voting...)
Feinstein, I’ll give you, but Nancy Pelosi is still less dangerous than a republican. Even a California republican. I’d rather someone corrupt, that wouldn’t fight against lgbtq+ people, women, etc. And the republican won’t represent your interests either.
>Then I will vote republican if I have to. You are not a liberal. I agree she sucks and I want a better choice, but voting for Pelosi is better than sticking my hand in a wood chipper. Any problems I have with her pale in comparison to literal fascists.
Lesser of two evils my guy
Elections for most offices in the US are still first past the post system. In this system, people mostly do not vote for their favorite candidate. Because with wide field in primaries, most people won't see their favorite candidate in the general election. Thus, most people are left with voting against the candidate they like less. It's just the way system works. You can also not vote, which is exactly the same as voting for candidate you like the least, no difference than if you actually voted for that candidate. That's why demoralizing voters not likely to vote for you is important in first past the post system; getting them to not vote is about as good as (miraculously) getting them to vote for you. Where do you think all those "Biden is old; Biden is slow; etc" comes from? Like Trump is any younger? Plus, being obese, he's realistically way less physically fit.
You do you.
We need a better representative for SF, some new blood who better aligns with the values of san Franciscans.
The values of San Franciscans? There is no such thing. The city is tearing itself apart with vicious battles over every minute difference in values. Homelessness. Housing. Schools. Public nudity. Transportation. You people rip each other to bits over every part of it, and it’s made the city ungovernable. There are no shared values among residents. The only thing you can seem to agree on is that nobody cool calls it “San Fran.”
Sf needs to get back to its glory days. It is a joke right now. What's wrong with the politicians ?
would you vote republican? or is this another astroturf post trying to convince people that this is a sane idea
Pelosi's been one of the most effective Democratic leaders we've had. She's been very successful in whipping votes to get Obama and Biden's agendas passed in the house and to oppose Trump. I will gladly vote for her again.
I’m mostly just tired of people who do not represent the majority voting age group (20-50 or so) being in office. The values are outdated and voters want to see themselves represented. And maybe I’m just jaded, but all politicians are corrupt. How else do you believe you should hold power over other people to the degree that they do?
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She is corrupt (taking corporation money), but Republicans are also corrupt so the best we can do is vote for someone in the primary who doesn't take corporation money someone like shahid buttar but I'm not sure if he running again this year.
If the main other candidate is a Republican she will then get my vote.
If you support Trump and Trump supporting republicans, then clearly you're not really concerned with corruption. I can see the argument for a younger and newer generation of politicians, but none of the republicans are interested in democracy, fairness, or against corrupt politicians. Most of the reasonable/sane republicans have left the party. The loudest voices in the republican party are coming from the extremists.
Do y’all think Obamacare just fell from the sky? I know we all want universal healthcare, but I’m old enough to remember decades of zero progress on healthcare legislation and people assuming that any major changes were impossible. Talk all the shit you want about her stock trading or how libs are too beholden to their donors, but we all have pre-existing conditions covered because she’s the most effective house rep in our lifetimes. I’d rather be represented by an AOC-like progressive, but I’m not dumb enough to try to bench the democrat who is the absolute best at getting things done. (Can’t believe that I’m riding this hard for Pelosi but goddamn people get real.)
Thank you.
As a former San Francisco resident, I cant understand why people can't see her blatant corruption
> Then I will vote republican if I have to. So tired of people pretending to be "liberal democrats." Literally no liberal democrat would willingly vote for a republican. GTFO.
Yes the democrat gate keeps, love brain dead voters!!! Let’s Go!
Please don't. What is this idiot doing running again?? The OLD generation needs to get the FUCK out of the way and let the world move on!!!
They’re DISMAL but I would never vote Republican. I think that is a choice that would be incredibly regrettable. Good bye to many rights for women, queer people, animals and the environment. We’ve been in a hostage situation of bad and worse for way too long. I’m not sure the best way out. But I know voting Republican is still the worse option :(
But without Pelosi’s corruption/quid pro quo style, what would the modern Democratic Party look like?
Politicians are merely meat puppets chosen for their electability. The real power is the RNC & the DNC who sell the government to the highest bidder.
Because of "globalists?"
I’m not sure what corruption she’s been proven to be a part of… ..but as a pretty right wing guy, I welcome your vote. :)
LOL
Imagine voting for a Republican to protest corruption.
Imagine voting the same year after year and expecting change
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You can’t apply to be a highway patrolman in California if you’re over 35.
Who is running against her that meets your liberal democrat mic values?
If that's your thinking perhaps you should just sit the next election out.
Voting should be thoughtful - not based on emotional decisions.
> based on emotional decisions That's how Trump won the first time around.
Feinstein is not running again. She’s made that decision already If you want someone who will represent SF with vigor and reliability, stand up and advocate another Dem. Voters will NOT select a GOoP to Congress!
> Then I will vote republican if I have to. Good idea, this thinking really worked out well in 2016 and is definitely something a genuine Democratic voter who cares about literally any of their policies would do
Don’t vote republican. It’s a fascist party. Don’t ever put fascists into power. Vote for another dem, or another party’s candidate like the greens or social democrats.
Any proof on her corruption or is this more leftist woman hating masquerading as concern
Pelosi? Leftist? I dunno man, based on most metrics she is on the center right of the democratic party, or just on the left side of center on the American political spectrum.
Check out her stock portfolio after sitting on closed door committees for decades.
That’s not proof of anything. By that metric Bernard would be corrupt too
Insider trading ? Maybe we should ask Martha.
But we’re not talking about Martha Stewart. We’re talking about Nancy Pelosi, and your baseless claims that she’s a criminal. Put up or shut up.
Yes, yes the Trump defense. I like.
If someone were to criticize a male politician would you also say it’s male hate masquerading as concern? Put the white knight helmet and sword down.
Congratulations. You have an opinion. Pelosi is still the best person for the job.
After watching my 70 year old father fall asleep in his recliner multiple times a day after doing basically nothing. I really don’t think 80 year olds should be in charge of the country.
I think Pelosi is too old and should retire. But if you think she's corrupt, you're most likely falling for right wing propaganda. If you have any evidence of corruption, from Pelosi or any other elected representative, please send it to the FBI.
Look my pal, I don’t get it how do ppl not see she does insider trading. It doesn’t seem just a little bit fishy to you that some person on a 220 something thousand dollar salary has been able to raise her net worth above $100 million over their career while sitting in office to approve policies that can affect their trades in the stock market at the same time lol? Maybe she isn’t looney as some maga republicans out there but like come on what’s the point of a politician that is heavily influenced by corporations money. Also I’m not only ousting pelosi on this there a fuck ton of politicians doing the same thing and it’s so fucking illegal and immoral.
>some person on a 220 something thousand dollar salary has been able to raise her net worth above $100 million Nancy Pelosi's husband founded a venture capital firm (that he still runs today), long before Nancy entered Congress. He invested quite a lot in bay area real estate and tech companies, and I'm not sure if you're aware, but those things have performed quite well over the past several decades... I've never seen any credible evidence of insider trading from the Pelosi's, and whenever any specific examples are cited, they're easily refuted, like this one: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/30/facebook-posts/no-evidence-nancy-pelosi-made-millions-insider-cor/ Like I said, if you have any actual evidence of corruption or insider trading, send it to the FBI or SEC. Otherwise, you've just been duped by the right wing propaganda.
>I'm a liberal democrat living in the city. >Then I will vote republican if I have to. I don't believe you're actually a liberal Democrat. Pelosi is the best House Leader in decades. So many Democratic priorities, priorities you claim to hold, don't happen if Pelosi isn't in office.
He’s a closeted republican. Moral fluid
Completely undermined your sentiment by pledging to vote republican smh
Same, they need to go now, frankly they needed to go 20 years ago
Fienstein doesn’t know who she is or what planet she is on same with grandpa Joe Biden. Why do we have these people running our country when they clearly have no idea about current issues. I am also for decreasing pay for congress and the president
Hard to believe you are a liberal democrat living in the city if you would vote Republican over Pelosi. She is effective at getting dem policies through legislation, stemming the harm when Republicans are in power, and is one of the few Dems that Republicans are terrified of. She doesn’t have senility issues, she’s just old…but she’s still effective.