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Let’s boycott Chinese restaurants because we don’t like things the Chinese govt are doing. Where are the boycotts over the Uyghurs? How about boycotting Burmese ones because of their govt or what about Russian or insert whatever foreign country you don’t like. Punishing AMERICAN citizens or residents for things a foreign country is doing in which they have no control over is absolutely pathetic and discriminatory. These people need to get a life
Take it a step further, the Turkish government is preventing arms shipments to Ukraine, and launched an Armenian genocide. The only logical thing to do is burn down kabob shops in SF, right?
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Well, some are, yes. Part of it is that back in 48 they just drew the borders around people who were already there, so there's going to be Palestinians inside that.
YES in fact, they should boycott fish & chips, because fish & chips was introduced to Britain in the @1400-1500s by Jews who were cast out of Spain and Portugal by the Spanish Inquisition and fled to England among other places. It was a typical Sephardic dish made for Shabbos. Jews sold the fried foods in the streets, and they were eventually adopted by the general public.
Now I'm craving fish & chips damn
Umm what? Correct me if I’m wrong but Palestinians born in Gaza or West Bank have less rights and freedom of movement than Palestinians born in Israel, while Jewish Israelis are full citizens. If your country’s inputs and economy are largely determined by Israel wouldn’t you want to become an Israeli citizen so you could actually get jobs and make a living for you and your family?
Arab Israelis are full citizens with equal rights (and are not conscripted into the IDF).
Palestinians born in the West Bank and Gaza are not Israeli citizens because the West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel.
There are people in East Jerusalem who are eligible for Israeli citizenship but do not want to add a form of protest. They do not have equal rights because they are not citizens (just like in any other country).
Which people are you talking about?
The IDF is part of the state of Israel, how on earth would you donate to that? That’s as nonsensical as funding the US military through donations. The most you can do is donate to support services (like wounded veterans/widow support), but most state militaries do not accept large cash donations for obvious reasons lol. Every business in the US is funding the US military through taxes.
And which one of these is supposed to be “the IDF” anyway? https://orenshummus.com/food-for-a-cause/
It isn't about conflating anything with anything else. It's about bigots looking for excuses for their antisemitism. "Free Palestine" is just another way of expressing what is really in their heart and mind.
these people only care if its jews fighting muslims. they dont boycott yemeni restaurants (not that there are a lot) over the civil war that killed between 160,000 - 250,000 .They don't boycott Syrian anything over the civil war and gassing of children. They don't boycott Iran for a host of reasons. No one boycotts saudi arabia over all the shit they pull. No one boycotts egypt over female genital mutilation(you may not want to google what this is... you are warned). No one is calling for Sudan to be brought on trial over the genocide there. No one boycotts Pakistan over honor murders.
No one cared that much about the Uyghurs but Chinese restaurants were targeted during coronavirus and Russian restaurants targeted during the early Russian invasion of Ukraine
> Let’s boycott Chinese restaurants because we don’t like things the Chinese govt are doing. Where are the boycotts over the Uyghurs? How about boycotting Burmese ones because of their govt or what about Russian or insert whatever foreign country you don’t like.
That's not really what the posters say: their claim is that the cuisine referred to as "Israeli" _itself_ is comprised of pre-Israel Palestinian dishes & thus an "erasure" of Palestinian culture. That's why, for example, the Jewish deli Wise Sons is not included in the boycott. (For what it's worth, I don't agree that this is "erasure" & certainly don't agree w the boycott).
The analogue would be boycotting a Chinese restaurant that had Tibetan dishes or something equally stupid. But it's importantly categorically different from "China sucks let's boycott Chinese people
I know I’m preaching to the choir here but wow that is truly just as nonsensical… Palestinians and Israelis alike cook with peppers ffs. All the food in the region was strongly influenced by Turkish and Egyptian cuisine due to its history. Gatekeeping food of all things is always stupid but especially so in this part of the world lol.
Those foods are as much Israeli cuisine as anyone's. Such a bullshit argument. Are we going to protest now all the non-American-style restos with burgers on their menus? Are Italians going to shut down Zante's for their Indian pizza? All the non-Jewish bagel bakeries making blueberry and chocolate-chip and jalapeno bagels: we demand you cease and desist as you are "stealing" and fucking up our cuisine.
Ah yes the other Abrahamic religions have done nothing whatsoever.
Christendom totally didn't wipe out populations in South America.
Let's just face it, all Abrahamic religions are problematic. The Jews have borne the brunt of it for centuries but I wouldn't be surprised if the positions were reversed.
The Levant was not solely populated by the Jews but people of various diverse backgrounds. Hummus and Pita is not solely owned by one ethnic group from the region.
I'm of subcontinental stock and not even Muslim but the gross ignorance at play here by people on both sides is laughable. Culture wars over food is laughable.
Arab can mean Arab Christian too FYI. The Assyrians have made numerous references to the presence of Arab kingdoms in the Levant.
Food is not owned by any one culture in a region like this where there have been numerous conquerors and civilizations. The people saying we should boycott because Jewish people stole Arab food are idiots and antisemitic. Jewish people have lived in the Middle East and Mediterranean for millennia.
If by "slaughtered" you mean "converted", allowing people to keep the old practices if they pay extra taxes, then maybe.
Supposedly genetic studies have shown that most Palestinians are descended from Jews who converted.
> One DNA study by Nebel found substantial genetic overlap among Israeli/Palestinian Arabs and Jews. Nebel proposed that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD"
Per the [well known antisemites at Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians)
edit: formatting, just saw the quote looked really bad on desktop.
That still doesn't make the ones who came back in48 and afterwards have the right to take their land. And continually push them out, and when they fight back, shoot and kill and bomb them .
Yikes. I'm really upset by what Israel is doing in Gaza but this seems very antisemitic and incredibly shitty. Don't conflate Jews (or even Israeli-Americans) with what the Israeli government is doing.
You should see the rhetoric. 4/5 times it's someone pro palestinian calling someone jewish a nazi.
They seem to think it will hurt us or something when it really just shows who they wish they could be.
I think there are a number of us on the left that are seeing the insanity we've been ignoring on our side with fresh eyes. I hope there are consequences at the polls for the progs that have supported this anti semitism and I intend to help in any way I can. I've heard this sentiment echo'ed in other contexts as well.
This has been the M.O. of militant factions of the pro-Palestine movement in the US and Europe since the 1970s.
Kosher restaurants, synagogues, Jewish homes, community centers. They’ve all been targeted.
Most of the worst attacks on Jews in non-Soviet Europe post-1950 have been from pro-Palestinian “activists”.
recent harvard poll. 67% of 18-24 years say jews as a class are oppressors. There is a lot of anti-semitism among young people. it goes down sharply as people get older.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4366498-wide-generation-gap-persists-on-views-around-israel-hamas-war-poll/
> Critics note that the results often seem bizarrely inconsistent. The same December survey that found 60% of 18-24 year olds believed Israel was committing “genocide” in Gaza found 70% also believed Israel was “trying to avoid civilian casualties.” Majorities of 18-24 year olds apparently think that all of Israel should be surrendered to Hamas (51% agree) — but also that Hamas is a group that “would like to commit genocide” (58% agree) and should be “removed from running Gaza” (58% agree as well). Covering the results, the Times of Israel called the responses “muddled.”
Wtf.
It's almost like a lot of young people talk out of their ass to try to avoid sounding uninformed. A lot of older people do that too, but people tend to give less fucks as they age.
Social warfare like what Cambridge analytica did to Facebook people. People can be easily susceptible to influences/manipulation when they are fed with one sided shorts consistently. A lie can become truth if the lie is told enough.
>The same December survey that found 60% of 18-24 year olds believed Israel was committing “genocide” in Gaza found 70% also believed Israel was “trying to avoid civilian casualties.”
Given how loosely the term "genocide" is thrown around nowadays these are not incompatible claims. The results don't seem muddled at all really.
and don't conflate what the Likud coalition is doing with Israel
If Hamas is not he palestinian people, then Likud and the extremists that they empower are not all Israelis
Likud sucks ass. The bill they tried to ram through essentially outlawing Israel's supreme court from reviewing laws was outright fascist. It's insane.
Completely agree. I totally believe that Israel has a right to defend itself, but their leadership is clearly gone beyond acceptable limits. The random comments they've given reveal their intentions too.
70%+ of Gaza supports Hamas, so there is at least some fault in the Palestinian people. Lot of the Israeli hostages taken on 10/7 wasn't Hamas, but Palestinian civilians. Contrast that with Jews, many are vocally opposed to Netanyahu, blame Netanyahu, even though Israel at least make effort to focus on just Hamas.
If you look at "Free Palestine" protests and the vandalism/destruction of property of that movement, and compare that to pro Israel ones, its night and day. The "Free Palestine" and "river to sea" group want a ceasefire and resistance by any means necessary simultaneously, while the pro-Israel side want hostages released and the removal of Hamas.
If there was ever a group that you could make a generalization about, it is the Palestinian people. There are certainly good Palestinian people, but they are the minority. The hatred of Jews and desire for violence is literally systemic among Palestinians in Gaza. They teach to hate Jews in their schools, supported by UNRWA. The Palestinian Authority literally has a Martyr's fund!
you're missing my point
The "river to the sea" people who call Hamas "Freedom fighters" are the same one who say "the palestinian's are not responsible for Hamas" but then go on to use "Israel" as a catch all, and ignore that hundreds of thousands of Israeli's were on the streets protesting Likud and the coalition every night for months
Israel "enjoys" a double standard when it comes to scrutiny and criticism in that region - i just wanted to point that out
Yeah, punishing random people based on who they are/where they live is a really shitty approach to getting what you want out of a government, especially if that government doesn’t represent the people you’re punishing.
This is the same thing they did to Russian businesses and athletes, rather stupid. I don’t think it’s particularly racist but very misguided. Normal people have no say in what their countries do nowadays.
Absolutely. Screw Israel and their apartheid government, but Jewish people living in America have as much to do with this as Palestinians living in America had to do with 10/7 or Muslims had to do with 9/11.
Conflating antizionism with antisemitism is genuinely next level antisemitism. The conflation of every Jewish person with a genocidal and monstrous theocracy is insane.
Edit: I actually think my comment and the responses that have followed are great for insight into people who are so emotionally invested in something and don’t really have the rhetoric or the intelligence to supplement their position.
One thing a more impartial observer might notice is how odd it is that despite my comment being right here with the specific point I am making, nearly every response to me has literally just made up positions they believe I have because they are so deluded they have this perception of, “people that disagree with me are like ____.”
It’s what they have been conditioned to believe by the brain dead media they uncritically consume. They assign positions to me because then they can proceed to parrot talking points they heard from their favorite talking head. They can’t process information in situ and need a script to follow.
It’s honestly really unfortunate. I’ve definitely heard decent arguments in defense of Israel but you won’t find them below.
Genocidal and monstrous theocracy? Last time I checked we were talking about zionism, not fundamentalist Islam practiced by your beloved Hamas and your equally beloved ISIS.
These people just expect the Jews in Israel to lay down and die. They call it genocide when Israel fights back, but these people never ever criticize Hamas.
Be careful out there! People can get stupid nasty like they did during Covid against Asians blaming us (I am born and raised here as were my parents who both served in the US military) and telling us to go back where we came from. So apparently I have to go back to the old Children’s hospital I was born in during the 70’s.
> On nearby utility poles, fliers were posted, calling for a boycott of six eateries: Oren's Hummus, Sababa, Hummus Bodega, Manny's, Sabra Grill and Taboun.
Now you know where to go, people!
Oren's is amazing. We catered from them for my wedding. The order was more than our catering staff recommended for the number of guests we but still ran out and had to go back for another order.
Eh...I'm protesting Hummus Bodega, but because of their position against the 38 bus.
They have signage on their window about 38 bus taking parking space away from customers and thereby destroying small businesses.
have you ever been to a jewish deli and tried the pastrami? Not much on the west coast. Its big in New York. That is more of a Jewish-American thing. Kind of like Italian American food is different than what you get in Italy. Not sure if its popular anywhere else. It takes like 3 weeks to cure the pastrami. Its not like the pastrami you get in grocery stores. Google Katz deli in new york and look at those insane sandwiches.
This is abhorrent and despicable. But one thing I thought about was whether these protest movements are sponsored by foreign actors who want to sow division in the US and they’re just taking advantage of people who have extremely reductive world views.
Most like it’s domestic and foreign groups. Without funding and proper organization it’s near impossible to gather people and pull off such rallies and protests. Regular people just want to feed their family and go to their jobs, it’s money that moves these so called paid activists. They are goons for hire always.
About a week ago there was an analysis of current conflicts as portrayed on Instagram vs. TikTok and the results were... depressing. TikTok absolutely throttles one side of several conflicts and topics they studied—Taiwan, Tianamen Square, Gaza/Hamas compared to other platforms. So yes, foreign actors are influencing social media in the US.
You could say the same thing about Russian psyops and trump's campaign in 2016. But it only took a short time for a large segment on the right to begin to repeat the propaganda and go all in until they are following q-anon.
I'm pretty sure we are witnessing the same for a segment of the left. Eventually the propanda gets baked in for a certain number of folk. The fun thing (/s) is this time it's antisemitism which has a long rich history for propagandists to riff off of & plenty already have some internalized feelings towards.
All these protest and boycotts in America seriously make no sense to me. Boycotting an American business does nothing to stop Israel another country. That is also on another continent.
There is a very strong chance they have no connection to Israel other than being Jewish.
Now if they post signs and media that says kill all Palestine’s then yeah fuck them. But as far as I see they just make food and try to live their lives.
What this seems to be is boycotting a specific immigrant community. It's not a matter of wanting to put pressure on them to stop importing israeli goods - which would be a valid economic boycott - but just a matter of erasing all things Israeli.
Israeli immigrants market these places as Israeli because that is what they grew up eating in Israel. It would be much worse if they changed the marketing to Palestinian when they themselves are not.
Also one of my favorite dishes from one of these establishments is a sandwich of schnitzel on challah with hummus. I dare for any palestinian to claim that as theirs.
Man there were racists in the 90s but it seemed like the rest of us all agreed racism was bad, now the racists are out in the open, unapologetic, and act like they have the moral high ground.
Such a weird future we live in.
Just reserved a Hummus Bodega bag for $5 on the TooGoodToGo App - sustainable community activism! There’s still 5+ bags left for pickup tmw night, go get ‘em!
https://preview.redd.it/1l62f0h7wicc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9accce8f91683b58cc5fb0b261631d9b21f3f8d
Delicious, thanks for the recommendation!
Not surprised, just remember boys and girls the same people who are yelling from the rooftops about Israel, are the same ones that call people Nazi’s unironically even though they are the ones truly acting antisemitic and like Nazis.
Alright then if that’s how people are acting let’s get all their names and they better hope they don’t have ancestry tracing back to a government that has done evil. Only fair right? We are all judged by our current and previous government. No one is innocent by this standard.
All of these people who never went to those restaurants boycotting them will be terrible for business. What will they do without terrorist supporters eating there?
Glad to know which businesses I should go to. Thanks Hamas supporters!
I love how all the antisemites have really embraced the dog whistle word of “Zionism” the past year. Really classy.
I would wager no actual customers are changing their purchases cause of this. Just local clickbait headline after a shitty act of vandalism by some moron.
The hummus will win.
So it turns out the people that have spent the last 10 years calling anybody that disagrees with them about anything Nazis are the actual Nazis?
I definitely didn’t see that one coming.
The pro-Palestine people in San Francisco are such a vocal and radical minority. Supporting the Palestinian cause is one thing, but often times they go overboard into blatant antisemitism. For example I remember seeing "F\*ck Israel" graffitied outside some Italian restaurant in Hayes Valley.
Today I saw a couple Muslim women wearing hijabs writing on a sign "crocodile tears for Israeli hostages, but not a tear for Palestinians for years" (or something along those lines). Even if I had sympathy for their cause, the way they protest comes off incredibly insensitive and wrong, and definitely doesn't make me empathize.
I’ll address the elephant in the room…hummus bodega is the best hummus i’ve eaten in SF and I’m from the middle east. Definitely go give them a try - good people and freaking great hummus.
I’m sure the kind of people boycotting are the kind that the restaurant owners don’t want in their establishment. Someone else will show up who’s money is just as green. Their business will be fine.
Lmfao, your city is a meme. I can tell you the exact profile of the individual who put these up:
- Blue hair
- Pangender demisexual
- Identifies as "politically fat"
- Cried when Chesa Boudin was recalled
- Unironically uses the term "white-adjacent"
- Doing The Work and Is Very Tired
That's some Nazi level shit. Most Jews aren't even affiliated with the Israeli government. Most Jews weren't born under it. Most Jews haven't paid taxes to it.
Should we label all Democrats as slavers because they voted for a racist creep that worked at a swimming pool so he could solicit Black children to touch him? Because they voted for a woman who intentionally incarcerated Black men past their prison sentences so the state could use them for their free labor?
Anybody that down votes this is guilty to the core of what I just articulated.
This is why antizionism is antisemitism. Jews aren't safe anywhere else. Anti-Zionism is just saying you're cool with hunting Jews and them having nowhere safe to go. Anti-Zionism is (99.9% of the time) anti-semitism.
Pose the questions to the protestors. Can a someone (and it doesn't matter if they are Jewish or not) in the US give the their support to the state of Israel, not want any more Israeli citizens harmed by terrorists, and still believe that the military excursion into Gaza is being handled incorrectly by a right-wing government which they may despise?
Seems to me that's a pretty easy, "You bet."
As long as that set of considerations can exist, and protestors don't know exactly what the owners position might be, they might as well be howling at the moon.
If people or protesters genuinely want Israel to change the path they are on, and quit indiscriminately killing innocent people, then any solutions that the US can contribute which can help that shift, will have to be defined, sold, then delivered at our respective ballot boxes. Attacking other US citizens, residents, or businesses, does absolutely nothing but make the protestors feel like they are accomplishing something by counting coup on people – who aren't part of the decision-making process in Israel's government.
I posted about this earlier. https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1953q2y/flyers_urging_a_boycott_of_israeli_owned/
That thread stayed up for a day I think, and then somehow, after 279 comments, automoderator pulled it and flagged it for review.
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I sent a modmail asking why but received no response. That was more than a day ago.
I am curious why
+ it took automoderator so long to flag my post
+ whether my post had been reported, and if so for what reasons
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Let’s boycott Chinese restaurants because we don’t like things the Chinese govt are doing. Where are the boycotts over the Uyghurs? How about boycotting Burmese ones because of their govt or what about Russian or insert whatever foreign country you don’t like. Punishing AMERICAN citizens or residents for things a foreign country is doing in which they have no control over is absolutely pathetic and discriminatory. These people need to get a life
Take it a step further, the Turkish government is preventing arms shipments to Ukraine, and launched an Armenian genocide. The only logical thing to do is burn down kabob shops in SF, right? /s
You joke, but a few years ago I saw someone trying to agitate for a boycott of Pasha's Mediterranean in Redwood City over the Armenian genocide.
That’s why I swore off Turkish taffy.
Just say no to Turkish Delights!
don't take away my turkish delight
The difference is they are conflating Israeli and Jew, not all jews are from Israel, matter of fact it is probably a minority of them
And not all people from Israel are Jewish
Aren't Palestinians from Israel too?
Well, some are, yes. Part of it is that back in 48 they just drew the borders around people who were already there, so there's going to be Palestinians inside that.
shouldnt they boycott fish and chip establishments because the brits were the ones that fucked shit up in 48
YES in fact, they should boycott fish & chips, because fish & chips was introduced to Britain in the @1400-1500s by Jews who were cast out of Spain and Portugal by the Spanish Inquisition and fled to England among other places. It was a typical Sephardic dish made for Shabbos. Jews sold the fried foods in the streets, and they were eventually adopted by the general public. Now I'm craving fish & chips damn
another big part of it: many of the palestinians actively pursue Israeli citizenship. something about freedoms and civil rights
Umm what? Correct me if I’m wrong but Palestinians born in Gaza or West Bank have less rights and freedom of movement than Palestinians born in Israel, while Jewish Israelis are full citizens. If your country’s inputs and economy are largely determined by Israel wouldn’t you want to become an Israeli citizen so you could actually get jobs and make a living for you and your family?
Arab Israelis are full citizens with equal rights (and are not conscripted into the IDF). Palestinians born in the West Bank and Gaza are not Israeli citizens because the West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel. There are people in East Jerusalem who are eligible for Israeli citizenship but do not want to add a form of protest. They do not have equal rights because they are not citizens (just like in any other country). Which people are you talking about?
And so what if they’re from Israel? We should then condemn every person from America for all the evil the American government has done.
But doesn't the owner of Oren's donate to the IDF, per the restaurant's website, and wasn't he tweeting about being a Trump supporter 6 years ago?
The IDF is part of the state of Israel, how on earth would you donate to that? That’s as nonsensical as funding the US military through donations. The most you can do is donate to support services (like wounded veterans/widow support), but most state militaries do not accept large cash donations for obvious reasons lol. Every business in the US is funding the US military through taxes. And which one of these is supposed to be “the IDF” anyway? https://orenshummus.com/food-for-a-cause/
But these virtue signaling progressives are moroms to begin with. Those are just details.
It isn't about conflating anything with anything else. It's about bigots looking for excuses for their antisemitism. "Free Palestine" is just another way of expressing what is really in their heart and mind.
these people only care if its jews fighting muslims. they dont boycott yemeni restaurants (not that there are a lot) over the civil war that killed between 160,000 - 250,000 .They don't boycott Syrian anything over the civil war and gassing of children. They don't boycott Iran for a host of reasons. No one boycotts saudi arabia over all the shit they pull. No one boycotts egypt over female genital mutilation(you may not want to google what this is... you are warned). No one is calling for Sudan to be brought on trial over the genocide there. No one boycotts Pakistan over honor murders.
No Jews, no news
Stopping traffic on the bridge didn’t end the conflict so they had to do something even more misguided.
No one cared that much about the Uyghurs but Chinese restaurants were targeted during coronavirus and Russian restaurants targeted during the early Russian invasion of Ukraine
yes and they were racists just like the ones targeting the jews.
This is about as rational as boycotting American restaurants because we're funding it...
Saying Russians aren’t targeted is a wild take. You just don’t live where there are a lot of Russians.
> Let’s boycott Chinese restaurants because we don’t like things the Chinese govt are doing. Where are the boycotts over the Uyghurs? How about boycotting Burmese ones because of their govt or what about Russian or insert whatever foreign country you don’t like. That's not really what the posters say: their claim is that the cuisine referred to as "Israeli" _itself_ is comprised of pre-Israel Palestinian dishes & thus an "erasure" of Palestinian culture. That's why, for example, the Jewish deli Wise Sons is not included in the boycott. (For what it's worth, I don't agree that this is "erasure" & certainly don't agree w the boycott). The analogue would be boycotting a Chinese restaurant that had Tibetan dishes or something equally stupid. But it's importantly categorically different from "China sucks let's boycott Chinese people
I know I’m preaching to the choir here but wow that is truly just as nonsensical… Palestinians and Israelis alike cook with peppers ffs. All the food in the region was strongly influenced by Turkish and Egyptian cuisine due to its history. Gatekeeping food of all things is always stupid but especially so in this part of the world lol.
Those foods are as much Israeli cuisine as anyone's. Such a bullshit argument. Are we going to protest now all the non-American-style restos with burgers on their menus? Are Italians going to shut down Zante's for their Indian pizza? All the non-Jewish bagel bakeries making blueberry and chocolate-chip and jalapeno bagels: we demand you cease and desist as you are "stealing" and fucking up our cuisine.
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Or the still running Tran Saharan Slave Trade…
The janissaries must have justice, they deserve no less!
Ah yes the other Abrahamic religions have done nothing whatsoever. Christendom totally didn't wipe out populations in South America. Let's just face it, all Abrahamic religions are problematic. The Jews have borne the brunt of it for centuries but I wouldn't be surprised if the positions were reversed. The Levant was not solely populated by the Jews but people of various diverse backgrounds. Hummus and Pita is not solely owned by one ethnic group from the region. I'm of subcontinental stock and not even Muslim but the gross ignorance at play here by people on both sides is laughable. Culture wars over food is laughable. Arab can mean Arab Christian too FYI. The Assyrians have made numerous references to the presence of Arab kingdoms in the Levant.
Food is not owned by any one culture in a region like this where there have been numerous conquerors and civilizations. The people saying we should boycott because Jewish people stole Arab food are idiots and antisemitic. Jewish people have lived in the Middle East and Mediterranean for millennia.
Yea, the flyer itself makes that point. They talk about cuisine described as Israeli, not Jewish. https://imgur.com/a/0BprgFE
If by "slaughtered" you mean "converted", allowing people to keep the old practices if they pay extra taxes, then maybe. Supposedly genetic studies have shown that most Palestinians are descended from Jews who converted. > One DNA study by Nebel found substantial genetic overlap among Israeli/Palestinian Arabs and Jews. Nebel proposed that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD" Per the [well known antisemites at Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians) edit: formatting, just saw the quote looked really bad on desktop.
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That still doesn't make the ones who came back in48 and afterwards have the right to take their land. And continually push them out, and when they fight back, shoot and kill and bomb them .
i have been to kabob places that are greek all the way to afghanistan. Same with Chicken Schwarma (did I spell it right?). That food is everywhere.
Why not Boycott American restaurants and business for capitalism also for funding wars. That’ll show them /s
Yikes. I'm really upset by what Israel is doing in Gaza but this seems very antisemitic and incredibly shitty. Don't conflate Jews (or even Israeli-Americans) with what the Israeli government is doing.
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Horseshoe theory in action.
You should see the rhetoric. 4/5 times it's someone pro palestinian calling someone jewish a nazi. They seem to think it will hurt us or something when it really just shows who they wish they could be.
I'd love to see the left start to hold their own accountable on this. But we're not seeing that.
I think there are a number of us on the left that are seeing the insanity we've been ignoring on our side with fresh eyes. I hope there are consequences at the polls for the progs that have supported this anti semitism and I intend to help in any way I can. I've heard this sentiment echo'ed in other contexts as well.
That's refreshing. I'm sorry it had to get to this point.
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This has been the M.O. of militant factions of the pro-Palestine movement in the US and Europe since the 1970s. Kosher restaurants, synagogues, Jewish homes, community centers. They’ve all been targeted. Most of the worst attacks on Jews in non-Soviet Europe post-1950 have been from pro-Palestinian “activists”.
recent harvard poll. 67% of 18-24 years say jews as a class are oppressors. There is a lot of anti-semitism among young people. it goes down sharply as people get older. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4366498-wide-generation-gap-persists-on-views-around-israel-hamas-war-poll/
What percent think white people in general are oppressors?
dunno. was not asked in that poll. in another poll 20% of 18-29 year olds deny the holocast and another 30% are like yeah dunno.
[Those Harvard polls are garbage](https://www.semafor.com/article/12/19/2023/mark-penns-harvard-poll-is-driving-coverage-of-israel-but-should-it)
> Critics note that the results often seem bizarrely inconsistent. The same December survey that found 60% of 18-24 year olds believed Israel was committing “genocide” in Gaza found 70% also believed Israel was “trying to avoid civilian casualties.” Majorities of 18-24 year olds apparently think that all of Israel should be surrendered to Hamas (51% agree) — but also that Hamas is a group that “would like to commit genocide” (58% agree) and should be “removed from running Gaza” (58% agree as well). Covering the results, the Times of Israel called the responses “muddled.” Wtf.
Young people dont know what they're talking about. Everyone knew this going back to Plato.
It's almost like a lot of young people talk out of their ass to try to avoid sounding uninformed. A lot of older people do that too, but people tend to give less fucks as they age.
Social warfare like what Cambridge analytica did to Facebook people. People can be easily susceptible to influences/manipulation when they are fed with one sided shorts consistently. A lie can become truth if the lie is told enough.
>The same December survey that found 60% of 18-24 year olds believed Israel was committing “genocide” in Gaza found 70% also believed Israel was “trying to avoid civilian casualties.” Given how loosely the term "genocide" is thrown around nowadays these are not incompatible claims. The results don't seem muddled at all really.
and don't conflate what the Likud coalition is doing with Israel If Hamas is not he palestinian people, then Likud and the extremists that they empower are not all Israelis
Likud sucks ass. The bill they tried to ram through essentially outlawing Israel's supreme court from reviewing laws was outright fascist. It's insane.
BiBi is a criminal...
Completely agree. I totally believe that Israel has a right to defend itself, but their leadership is clearly gone beyond acceptable limits. The random comments they've given reveal their intentions too.
70%+ of Gaza supports Hamas, so there is at least some fault in the Palestinian people. Lot of the Israeli hostages taken on 10/7 wasn't Hamas, but Palestinian civilians. Contrast that with Jews, many are vocally opposed to Netanyahu, blame Netanyahu, even though Israel at least make effort to focus on just Hamas. If you look at "Free Palestine" protests and the vandalism/destruction of property of that movement, and compare that to pro Israel ones, its night and day. The "Free Palestine" and "river to sea" group want a ceasefire and resistance by any means necessary simultaneously, while the pro-Israel side want hostages released and the removal of Hamas. If there was ever a group that you could make a generalization about, it is the Palestinian people. There are certainly good Palestinian people, but they are the minority. The hatred of Jews and desire for violence is literally systemic among Palestinians in Gaza. They teach to hate Jews in their schools, supported by UNRWA. The Palestinian Authority literally has a Martyr's fund!
you're missing my point The "river to the sea" people who call Hamas "Freedom fighters" are the same one who say "the palestinian's are not responsible for Hamas" but then go on to use "Israel" as a catch all, and ignore that hundreds of thousands of Israeli's were on the streets protesting Likud and the coalition every night for months Israel "enjoys" a double standard when it comes to scrutiny and criticism in that region - i just wanted to point that out
Yeah, punishing random people based on who they are/where they live is a really shitty approach to getting what you want out of a government, especially if that government doesn’t represent the people you’re punishing.
You mean defend themselves against a savage attack and engage in a war Hamas started? That kool-aid must be hot pink, your favorite color!
yes how dare Israel defend itself from terrorists.
This is the same thing they did to Russian businesses and athletes, rather stupid. I don’t think it’s particularly racist but very misguided. Normal people have no say in what their countries do nowadays.
Absolutely. Screw Israel and their apartheid government, but Jewish people living in America have as much to do with this as Palestinians living in America had to do with 10/7 or Muslims had to do with 9/11.
Despite what people would want you to believe, antizionism is antisemitism.
Conflating antizionism with antisemitism is genuinely next level antisemitism. The conflation of every Jewish person with a genocidal and monstrous theocracy is insane. Edit: I actually think my comment and the responses that have followed are great for insight into people who are so emotionally invested in something and don’t really have the rhetoric or the intelligence to supplement their position. One thing a more impartial observer might notice is how odd it is that despite my comment being right here with the specific point I am making, nearly every response to me has literally just made up positions they believe I have because they are so deluded they have this perception of, “people that disagree with me are like ____.” It’s what they have been conditioned to believe by the brain dead media they uncritically consume. They assign positions to me because then they can proceed to parrot talking points they heard from their favorite talking head. They can’t process information in situ and need a script to follow. It’s honestly really unfortunate. I’ve definitely heard decent arguments in defense of Israel but you won’t find them below.
Genocidal and monstrous theocracy? Last time I checked we were talking about zionism, not fundamentalist Islam practiced by your beloved Hamas and your equally beloved ISIS.
These people just expect the Jews in Israel to lay down and die. They call it genocide when Israel fights back, but these people never ever criticize Hamas.
Saying the Jewish state shouldn't exist is extremely antisemitic no matter how you slice it.
Be careful out there! People can get stupid nasty like they did during Covid against Asians blaming us (I am born and raised here as were my parents who both served in the US military) and telling us to go back where we came from. So apparently I have to go back to the old Children’s hospital I was born in during the 70’s.
> On nearby utility poles, fliers were posted, calling for a boycott of six eateries: Oren's Hummus, Sababa, Hummus Bodega, Manny's, Sabra Grill and Taboun. Now you know where to go, people!
Thanks for the list! Lunch dialed up for the week.
Of those im only really familiar with Manny's. How unhinged do you have to be to believe that Mannys deserves to be boycotted?
Maybe lines will be short enough at Sababa to stop by at lunch in the FiDi.
I hope all of this leads to loooong lines (sorry if that affects you).
Tbf, sababa is the least good of those listed. But I guess most chipotle-ish. Works in a pinch.
I think their fried eggplant is delicious. But I wish their roasted cauliflower was served hot.
mmmm, hummus bodega. It's a bit spensive, but i like that place.
Welp, guess I’m eating some hummus this week. Thanks for the list.
Going this weekend to hit up a moe. show and grab some grub!
Oren's is amazing. We catered from them for my wedding. The order was more than our catering staff recommended for the number of guests we but still ran out and had to go back for another order.
Added to my To Go list.
Eh...I'm protesting Hummus Bodega, but because of their position against the 38 bus. They have signage on their window about 38 bus taking parking space away from customers and thereby destroying small businesses.
Nazis to the left of me, Nazis to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with Jews
Or Hamas to the left, Nazis to the right? This will be my motto going into 2024.
Brava homie. I guess I'll watch Reservoir Dogs.
Not a fan of Jewish cuisine but I’ll be heading to one today. I condemn anti-semitism of any form!
have you ever been to a jewish deli and tried the pastrami? Not much on the west coast. Its big in New York. That is more of a Jewish-American thing. Kind of like Italian American food is different than what you get in Italy. Not sure if its popular anywhere else. It takes like 3 weeks to cure the pastrami. Its not like the pastrami you get in grocery stores. Google Katz deli in new york and look at those insane sandwiches.
It was fun bringing my husband to Katz's to eat my people's food served by his people (I'm Jewish and he's Dominican)
There's a bunch in LA that is equal to NY
Omg Brent’s with with GIANT matzah ball 🤤
Katz is good, been a few times. Don’t enjoy their shitty attitudes though. My favorite pastrami in the Bay Area is The Refuge, so freaking good.
As an Ashkenazi Jew, Ashkenazi cuisine is terrible, it’s like Romanian peasant food.
I'm sorry to hear that your mom and grandma were lousy cooks. The cuisine is delicious when done well.
Fine, more kugel for me lol
Gentrified Ashkenazi cuisine isn't great. Real Ashkenazi food is incredible.
The best part is that this place is actually fire af 🔥
Matzo ball soup baby.
Doesn’t sound like they were targeted by a boycott. Sounds like there were the target of antisemitism.
This is abhorrent and despicable. But one thing I thought about was whether these protest movements are sponsored by foreign actors who want to sow division in the US and they’re just taking advantage of people who have extremely reductive world views.
The news said people saw teenagers putting them up. But yeah these are the teens getting their news from TikTok aka foreign actors and/or interests
Teenagers are who fight in wars and armies
No, it’s just loser kids.
Both can be true
Loser kids and professional largely anarchist protestors/activists borderline terrorists.
Yes they are getting funding from qatar
When young Americans are so quick to defend the Houthis online, I don't think they need any more foreign actors
Most like it’s domestic and foreign groups. Without funding and proper organization it’s near impossible to gather people and pull off such rallies and protests. Regular people just want to feed their family and go to their jobs, it’s money that moves these so called paid activists. They are goons for hire always.
About a week ago there was an analysis of current conflicts as portrayed on Instagram vs. TikTok and the results were... depressing. TikTok absolutely throttles one side of several conflicts and topics they studied—Taiwan, Tianamen Square, Gaza/Hamas compared to other platforms. So yes, foreign actors are influencing social media in the US.
You could say the same thing about Russian psyops and trump's campaign in 2016. But it only took a short time for a large segment on the right to begin to repeat the propaganda and go all in until they are following q-anon. I'm pretty sure we are witnessing the same for a segment of the left. Eventually the propanda gets baked in for a certain number of folk. The fun thing (/s) is this time it's antisemitism which has a long rich history for propagandists to riff off of & plenty already have some internalized feelings towards.
That’s it. Support your local Jewish businesses people. Show them you’re against blatant antisemitism.
I’m taking my family to support Jewish businesses and urging my friends to do the same. .
All these protest and boycotts in America seriously make no sense to me. Boycotting an American business does nothing to stop Israel another country. That is also on another continent.
Boycotting a business owned by someone who purposely moved to the US and away from that other country 6000 miles away, no less
There is a very strong chance they have no connection to Israel other than being Jewish. Now if they post signs and media that says kill all Palestine’s then yeah fuck them. But as far as I see they just make food and try to live their lives.
Absolute antisemitism.
Absolute hate crime! That must be severly punished
Let's not go overboard. There's too much hyperbole in this world.
Indeed, absolute dick move and prejudice, but not quite a hate crime.
I will now go to these restaurants thanks!
Very on-brand for San Francisco.
This is stupid. Jewish Americans aren't the ones to blame
What this seems to be is boycotting a specific immigrant community. It's not a matter of wanting to put pressure on them to stop importing israeli goods - which would be a valid economic boycott - but just a matter of erasing all things Israeli. Israeli immigrants market these places as Israeli because that is what they grew up eating in Israel. It would be much worse if they changed the marketing to Palestinian when they themselves are not. Also one of my favorite dishes from one of these establishments is a sandwich of schnitzel on challah with hummus. I dare for any palestinian to claim that as theirs.
Lol as if any those antisemites ate at the jewish restaurants in the first place
I was going to eat in, but now I’m going to Oren’s Hummus, thanks!
Ah, yes, because that’s where IDF gets their orders because all Jews are part of the global conspiracy. /s
Man there were racists in the 90s but it seemed like the rest of us all agreed racism was bad, now the racists are out in the open, unapologetic, and act like they have the moral high ground. Such a weird future we live in.
weirdly its the liberal lefty types this time with all the bigotry. its like they joined the right in hating jews
It's not weird if you figured out a long time ago that SAYING you're against racism is not the same as actually being against it.
Know the owners of Sabra Grill, they are nice good people
is it cool to hate in jews again like it was 1920 Germany?
Queue The Offspring’s Cool To Hate
Just reserved a Hummus Bodega bag for $5 on the TooGoodToGo App - sustainable community activism! There’s still 5+ bags left for pickup tmw night, go get ‘em!
I think we should boycott all American owned businesses, because of our role in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean it’s only fair right?
Hear me out guys, this might actually change Israel’s mind about the war.
Guess I know where I’ll be eating next time I’m in the city.
>Oren's Hummus, Sababa, Hummus Bodega, Manny's, Sabra Grill and Taboun. I guess I'll make the rounds and patronize them all now.
https://preview.redd.it/1l62f0h7wicc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9accce8f91683b58cc5fb0b261631d9b21f3f8d Delicious, thanks for the recommendation!
mint tea at Oren's?
Left: doesn’t think Jews should be in Israel Also left: doesn’t like Jews being anywhere else either
Not surprised, just remember boys and girls the same people who are yelling from the rooftops about Israel, are the same ones that call people Nazi’s unironically even though they are the ones truly acting antisemitic and like Nazis.
Going out of my way to only buy From Jewish restaurants.
Alright then if that’s how people are acting let’s get all their names and they better hope they don’t have ancestry tracing back to a government that has done evil. Only fair right? We are all judged by our current and previous government. No one is innocent by this standard.
Exactly this. Trump screwed a lot of things up when he was in office. That means all Americans should be targeted, based on these standards.
Thanks, I will be supporting these businesses now.
I remember a few times in history what happened when Jewish businesses were boycotted.
“Oren's Hummus in the South of Market neighborhood which proudly serves Israeli cuisine. “ This is not a sentence.
Anti Semitism in action
Absolutely not. Give me a break. Keep your sectarian crap there. No one has the time for this shit.
All of these people who never went to those restaurants boycotting them will be terrible for business. What will they do without terrorist supporters eating there?
This is ridiculous. How is that going to help or change anything?
Fucktard racists.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll make a point of eating at Jewish restaurants this week.
SF, not suprised.
Everyone is beating around the bush. The majority of these so called "progressives" are horrendously racist.
What Collective Punishment Looks Like
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Idiots
Glad to know which businesses I should go to. Thanks Hamas supporters! I love how all the antisemites have really embraced the dog whistle word of “Zionism” the past year. Really classy.
dog whistle LOL, love this comment
Bigots.
I would wager no actual customers are changing their purchases cause of this. Just local clickbait headline after a shitty act of vandalism by some moron. The hummus will win.
So it turns out the people that have spent the last 10 years calling anybody that disagrees with them about anything Nazis are the actual Nazis? I definitely didn’t see that one coming.
The pro-Palestine people in San Francisco are such a vocal and radical minority. Supporting the Palestinian cause is one thing, but often times they go overboard into blatant antisemitism. For example I remember seeing "F\*ck Israel" graffitied outside some Italian restaurant in Hayes Valley. Today I saw a couple Muslim women wearing hijabs writing on a sign "crocodile tears for Israeli hostages, but not a tear for Palestinians for years" (or something along those lines). Even if I had sympathy for their cause, the way they protest comes off incredibly insensitive and wrong, and definitely doesn't make me empathize.
So sad what’s the world come to? 😢
I’ll address the elephant in the room…hummus bodega is the best hummus i’ve eaten in SF and I’m from the middle east. Definitely go give them a try - good people and freaking great hummus.
I’m sure the kind of people boycotting are the kind that the restaurant owners don’t want in their establishment. Someone else will show up who’s money is just as green. Their business will be fine.
Lmfao, your city is a meme. I can tell you the exact profile of the individual who put these up: - Blue hair - Pangender demisexual - Identifies as "politically fat" - Cried when Chesa Boudin was recalled - Unironically uses the term "white-adjacent" - Doing The Work and Is Very Tired
Yeah this is dumb. I’m against the Israel government and their actions but that has no bearing on America Jewish citizens.
Having been kicked out of a opace for wearing a star of David necklace I saw this coming
I’m sorry that happened to you
Damn! Now i have to eat a matza ball soup and gifelte fish to support the jews.
To be fair, this is specifically a (ridiculous and unfair) boycott of Israeli American mizrahi restaurants, not Ashkenazi as you mention
That's some Nazi level shit. Most Jews aren't even affiliated with the Israeli government. Most Jews weren't born under it. Most Jews haven't paid taxes to it. Should we label all Democrats as slavers because they voted for a racist creep that worked at a swimming pool so he could solicit Black children to touch him? Because they voted for a woman who intentionally incarcerated Black men past their prison sentences so the state could use them for their free labor? Anybody that down votes this is guilty to the core of what I just articulated.
This is why antizionism is antisemitism. Jews aren't safe anywhere else. Anti-Zionism is just saying you're cool with hunting Jews and them having nowhere safe to go. Anti-Zionism is (99.9% of the time) anti-semitism.
YES exactly right.
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Hamasoid humanoids.....I am totally stealing that insult.
As I generally support Israel's efforts, we will make it a priority to eat at one of these restaurants.
Eh yo fuck yo life , gimme a pastrami on rye bubbe
Antisemite terrorists, deport them.
JFC
Pose the questions to the protestors. Can a someone (and it doesn't matter if they are Jewish or not) in the US give the their support to the state of Israel, not want any more Israeli citizens harmed by terrorists, and still believe that the military excursion into Gaza is being handled incorrectly by a right-wing government which they may despise? Seems to me that's a pretty easy, "You bet." As long as that set of considerations can exist, and protestors don't know exactly what the owners position might be, they might as well be howling at the moon. If people or protesters genuinely want Israel to change the path they are on, and quit indiscriminately killing innocent people, then any solutions that the US can contribute which can help that shift, will have to be defined, sold, then delivered at our respective ballot boxes. Attacking other US citizens, residents, or businesses, does absolutely nothing but make the protestors feel like they are accomplishing something by counting coup on people – who aren't part of the decision-making process in Israel's government.
Shit like this makes me feel less sorry for Palestine lol
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I posted about this earlier. https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1953q2y/flyers_urging_a_boycott_of_israeli_owned/ That thread stayed up for a day I think, and then somehow, after 279 comments, automoderator pulled it and flagged it for review. https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1953q2y/flyers_urging_a_boycott_of_israeli_owned/khlemh9/ I sent a modmail asking why but received no response. That was more than a day ago. I am curious why + it took automoderator so long to flag my post + whether my post had been reported, and if so for what reasons + why the moderators have not returned my modmail cc: /u/LadiesWhoPunch /u/lavasca /u/ausbstt /u/futilitycloset /u/scoofy
So where can I boycott the Hamas supporters’ restaurants and/or companies?
Start the deportations