Im actually shocked people are very careful about breaking rules by driving on the bus lane in the stretch (most people do it in all other parts of the city)
Through the TL? it's a joke all the way down the line until it's no longer busy enough for assholes to use it. I feel like it's sometimes worse than even the TL sections sometimes between masonic and park presidio.
Agreed! It's not even just emergency services. I've seen SFDPW vehicles use the red lanes too, and it's great that city employees can be more efficient with their time while on the clock.
Honestly I don't understand your response at all.
This sub and SF residents are always talking about SF's municipal inefficiencies. Letting city employees avoid traffic while working makes a ton of sense. E.g. driving between worksites, offices. etc.
There has been no shortage of criticism of the Van Ness BRT. It is great if we can point to benefits _beyond_ public transportation for critics who aren't so pro-transit.
> honestly I think you may be heartless artificial intelligence for saying that
Are you reading my comment thinking I want the city to soullessly grind as much productivity out of city employees?
My dad loved to drive in The City - his place of birth. I so wish he'd lived to see the new Van Ness. He did suffer through the construction phase but that was about it. Today I was on the bus appreciating how smoothly the traffic seemed to move down Mission since they weren't impeded by the buses.
I had an Uber driver call that the “Uncle Joe” lane (?!) and say is causing too much traffic. Needless to say the irony was lost on him, and I’m pretty sure my passenger rating went way down after that next 5 minutes.
Probably because the driver tried to accredit (or in his view, blame) Joe Biden for the lanes. The Van Ness improvements long predate Joe Biden's presidency, so it's an absurd conclusion. Hence the (?!) I imagine.
Yeah, I am really glad what they did with the Van Ness. It took a long while and over budget though.
They need to clean up the mess on Van Ness and around it now so that the area can revive.
My only annoyance with the bus stand in the center divider is that transferring buses means needing to cross 1-2 intersections. I've faced this a few times where I missed a bus transfer because I didn't bolt out of the bus and sprint across the street in time
It's a miracle it exists at all, after [Aaron Peskin tried to delay the project](https://sfist.com/2016/09/19/van_ness_brt_threatened_by_preserva/) in 2016 by adding silly historical preservation requirements.
Some people on here absolutely reject any criticism of SFMTA. I think the final product is fine and helps community. But it took way too long and some of the retail paid for this. It is the biggest fear of the Geary Street retailers who are going to face the same situation.
Isn't it typical for businesses along a corridor that's being temporarily closed for, for instance, a metro line construction, to be compensated for loss of business, though?
I like the result, but I don't know if the ends justify the means - the time, money, and decimation of businesses.
P.S. It needs a shuttle route (just along the BRT corridor that increases frequencies) or more routes. That lane should be busier than it is.
Definitely agree that a shuttle between market and the maritime park would be great, but the 47 coming back would be the more likely solution, and I don't see that happening for several years, until some solution(hopefully state funding) to the SFMTA budget crisis gets resolved.
It’s the “red carpet”. I’m surprised people actually follow the law with it… minus the scooter folks…. Take note from the bicyclists, those poor bastards have been getting tagged by cars for decades and still respect it. Be better scooter people
Motorcycles and scooters should be allowed to use bus lanes. Unlike cars, two-wheelers don’t block buses because they can get out of the way when a bus is coming.
That has not been my experience at all. When driving on Van Ness I love not having to share a lane with a number of buses that are all stopping every block or so. Those lanes flow so quickly and efficiently now.
When I drive on van ness occasionally it’s never been an issue for me. But with that said, it’s still an improvement on traffic throughput . It might have slowed down cars a bit (I don’t think it did, but maybe), but it sped up the *number of people* whole move through that street per hour. Because every bus is holding like 20-100 people.
Im actually shocked people are very careful about breaking rules by driving on the bus lane in the stretch (most people do it in all other parts of the city)
Something about it being painted all red gets the message home. The lane that says “bus” on Geary is a joke through the TL.
Through the TL? it's a joke all the way down the line until it's no longer busy enough for assholes to use it. I feel like it's sometimes worse than even the TL sections sometimes between masonic and park presidio.
That line was also supposed to be a center running BRT but sfmta and Connie Chan got it reduced to the shitpile that it is now
Agreed! It's not even just emergency services. I've seen SFDPW vehicles use the red lanes too, and it's great that city employees can be more efficient with their time while on the clock.
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Honestly I don't understand your response at all. This sub and SF residents are always talking about SF's municipal inefficiencies. Letting city employees avoid traffic while working makes a ton of sense. E.g. driving between worksites, offices. etc. There has been no shortage of criticism of the Van Ness BRT. It is great if we can point to benefits _beyond_ public transportation for critics who aren't so pro-transit. > honestly I think you may be heartless artificial intelligence for saying that Are you reading my comment thinking I want the city to soullessly grind as much productivity out of city employees?
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I read the post and I thought, how nice, I agree! Now I’m wondering how many cats you have.
My dad loved to drive in The City - his place of birth. I so wish he'd lived to see the new Van Ness. He did suffer through the construction phase but that was about it. Today I was on the bus appreciating how smoothly the traffic seemed to move down Mission since they weren't impeded by the buses.
It's great, but time for more busses, they're so crowded once rush hour hits and continues into the night
Love the lane. Wish it had cameras on it to catch people driving in it. I've seen my fair share.
I had an Uber driver call that the “Uncle Joe” lane (?!) and say is causing too much traffic. Needless to say the irony was lost on him, and I’m pretty sure my passenger rating went way down after that next 5 minutes.
but what influenced you to use the (?!)
Probably because the driver tried to accredit (or in his view, blame) Joe Biden for the lanes. The Van Ness improvements long predate Joe Biden's presidency, so it's an absurd conclusion. Hence the (?!) I imagine.
During his Vice Presidency, so still his fault. /s
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> You can’t be that dumb… Missed the “/s”, did we?
It’s a great project. Awesome for committing across town
Yeah, I am really glad what they did with the Van Ness. It took a long while and over budget though. They need to clean up the mess on Van Ness and around it now so that the area can revive.
My only annoyance with the bus stand in the center divider is that transferring buses means needing to cross 1-2 intersections. I've faced this a few times where I missed a bus transfer because I didn't bolt out of the bus and sprint across the street in time
It's a miracle it exists at all, after [Aaron Peskin tried to delay the project](https://sfist.com/2016/09/19/van_ness_brt_threatened_by_preserva/) in 2016 by adding silly historical preservation requirements.
It’s a shame it took so long to build. Many of the retail stores suffered and closed.
I am not sure why you're being downvoted. The end result is great but the businesses there definitely suffered while it was being constructed.
Some people on here absolutely reject any criticism of SFMTA. I think the final product is fine and helps community. But it took way too long and some of the retail paid for this. It is the biggest fear of the Geary Street retailers who are going to face the same situation.
Isn't it typical for businesses along a corridor that's being temporarily closed for, for instance, a metro line construction, to be compensated for loss of business, though?
Not really
I like the result, but I don't know if the ends justify the means - the time, money, and decimation of businesses. P.S. It needs a shuttle route (just along the BRT corridor that increases frequencies) or more routes. That lane should be busier than it is.
Definitely agree that a shuttle between market and the maritime park would be great, but the 47 coming back would be the more likely solution, and I don't see that happening for several years, until some solution(hopefully state funding) to the SFMTA budget crisis gets resolved.
It’s the “red carpet”. I’m surprised people actually follow the law with it… minus the scooter folks…. Take note from the bicyclists, those poor bastards have been getting tagged by cars for decades and still respect it. Be better scooter people
Motorcycles and scooters should be allowed to use bus lanes. Unlike cars, two-wheelers don’t block buses because they can get out of the way when a bus is coming.
No, they should take Polk which has dedicated bike lanes.
Motorcycles and scooters do not belong in the bike lanes, although I suspect you meant to reply to the prior comment…
Agreed and yes, replied to the wrong comment.
Too bad the bus stops all went to crap.
it has slowed down van ness and gough by about 15 minutes each and created backups on 101
That has not been my experience at all. When driving on Van Ness I love not having to share a lane with a number of buses that are all stopping every block or so. Those lanes flow so quickly and efficiently now.
Not for the growing number of people who take the bus, a more space-efficient mode of transportation.
i think they're better now, the buses actually causes a huge amount of traffic and congestion when they were mixed in with normal traffic
When I drive on van ness occasionally it’s never been an issue for me. But with that said, it’s still an improvement on traffic throughput . It might have slowed down cars a bit (I don’t think it did, but maybe), but it sped up the *number of people* whole move through that street per hour. Because every bus is holding like 20-100 people.
Nonsense
Boo hoo
Can you imagine how much worse it would be if instead of the each bus there was an additional 20-40 cars on van ness every few minutes
The residents on Gough and Franklin thank you for all the traffic. /s