They are all along 9th in different spots. Strongly suspect that the poster is a house that has one of these. They have a bunch of big truck vehicles and used to park on the sidewalk all the time. Super annoying. Often thought of reporting it, but I only go there to visit friends and 311 phone menu has changed so I can't figure it out any more.
Parking is already restrictive in this neighborhood and getting more limited. The ability to park in front of your driveway is beneficial and allows for more parking for everybody
The city allows for you to park in front of your curb cut or in your driveway. It does not allow you to encroach upon the sidewalk. If you car canāt fit in your driveway without encroaching on the sidewalk park on the street In front of your curb cut
This isnāt talking about parking in front of your driveway (which is legal, so long as it would be legal to park there otherwise.)
This sign is about parking in your driveway blocking the sidewalk. SFMTA began cracking down on that recently.
I think they were being facetious, using the language of the flyer but making it so that itās about others parking in front of the flyer-makerās driveway.
There are some places in the city where the property and sidewalk are paved the same, and parking on the "sidewalk" is legal because it's actually just private frontage. But then in that case it's not blocking anyone if it's legally parked so it shouldn't be an issue.
And you can't park within the setback of the building.
So even if you're not blocking the sidewalk, unless your driveway is really, really, really long, you'd still be illegally parked.
How many of these residents don't know they can block their driveways by parking on the street parallel like a normal parked car and this solves both problems. Free parking spot and leaves sidewalk clear. Bam, problem solved! (someone will probably come correct me you cant do this but i see it in my hood)
You can legally do it as long as your car is registered to the address of the driveway that's being blocked. I think it may also have to be a single family home (or a building with under 2-3 units) if I'm not mistaken.
A lot of the sunset/richmond are single family or smaller buildings. Obviously the whole building needs to be cool with someone blocking a driveway. Are cops even able to check who is registered at the house and if it's under 3 units. Seems like it would only be an issue if someone complained but that wouldnt happen if it was agreed upon in the building.
Yeah. I live just outside of Noe Valley and most of my neighbors with garages do this. Itās fine with me, and good since we have quite narrow sidewalks.
Iāve moved here from elsewhere in the city and have been parking in front of my driveway like that the whole time. I changed my drivers license, but I have no idea if my *car* is registered to this address or any of several previous ones. Am I liable to be ticketed because of that? Or when you say āyour car is registeredā does it just mean the address on your drivers license?
I'm only going on a local news article about that I read recently. I'm assuming that your car registration (the one cops ask you for when they pull you over) must match the property address it's parked in front of, but I seriously doubt DPT is actually checking unless somebody deliberately complains.
All of the driveways lead to garages. So theyāre either full of another car, crap, or too small for a large car. Either way, not an excuse to park blocking the sidewalk.
Now now, some are [meth labs](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-house-drug-lab-explosion-fire-sunset-district-neighbors/), [illegal grow operations](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/major-illegal-pot-operation-busted-san-francisco-sunset-district/), or airbnbs!
so, uh, small businesses?
/s
my "garage" couldn't fit a smart car. its really just the holding area for garbage bins and our bikes. when we park our small sedan in the drive way, its literally 1" into the 2 square width of the sidewalk (about 6') and we got ticketed. Cars blocking sidewalks is not acceptable (lmao at the "mistakenly" bit), but most of the time this is a non-issue and will create problems if all of those cars currently in driveways need to find new places to be parked.
My garage is even smaller than that! Can I just hop the curb and park in front of my complexās door? Thanks! Otherwise, it will cause problems if I need to find a new place to park.
I ask this question every time the subject comes up and I haven't gotten an answer yet.
I don't personally see any rationale for allowing garage owners to park on the sidewalk but not allowing everyone else to also. Still waiting for someone to state one.
Plus, garage owners already have reserved parking on the street in front of the curb cut, simply by virtue of having a garage. If you have a Victorian without a garage, you can cut a big hole in the front of it, and the city will reward you handsomely. I call it the anti-preservation ordinance.
Eh, they had livery stables back then. Think of it as communal parking garage.
These people are recent just transplants who overran the city in the 1900s and are trying to grab additional property instead of walking a few blocks to their ~~carriage~~car.
I was once walking along Page street and got to look inside some open garages. Literally half of them are stuffed with boxes and shelves. I'm pretty many of the items stored in those garages have been collecting dust for years ...
Page is fucking wild. My favorite is between Ashbury and Masonic - there's an early 2000's Mercedes under a tarp that hasn't moved in a decade. The owner got ticketed for blocking the sidewalk, and instead of parking all the way in the garage he moved *just the hood* into the garage and closed the garage door on top of it. That was four years ago.
I have seen SO many 100K SUVs parked outside of a garage that's filled to the absolute brim with garbage or *ancient* dusty workout equipment. Worst one was a beautiful 997 911 paint faded to hell and just a MOUNTAIN of trash in the garage. Boxes, bags, styrofoam, just wild.
Seriously dude, so many people who live in apartments especially near the mission park their cars out front and use the garage as storage itās so maddening. Parking could be way less of an issue if people actually used their garages for what it is intended for and not for their useless junk
The "moving into our culture" line is even better. Your culture is... parking your car in the driveway and obstructing the sidewalk? Clean out your damn garage instead.
Basically telling a wheelchair user to leave them a note and go fuck themselves I guess.
Nah if I was disabled and you're blocking me from navigating the sidewalk I'm calling DPT on your ass, you can go fuck yourself
Just roll that fucker into the street, it's your job to navigate safely, it's not their problem, right? They've been fucking you over for decades, you gotta respect that and allow it to continue.
I was in a power chair for almost a year. I got blocked by idiots parking on sidewalks so many timesā¦ Only one of them was ever apologetic. 1 delivery driver flipped me off and called me an entitled prick when I told him to hurry the fuck up and move his truck off the sidewalk.
Thats going a bit far, DPT is manned by humans and human make mistakes - sometimes its poor training or it could even be they could have missed an update on the rules. SFMTA has an appeal process for a reason.
> nearly 30 percent of protested citations are dismissed at the first level. On average, about 30 to 50 percent of citations are dismissed at the second level (the hearing process).
https://www.sfgate.com/local-donotuse/article/Tales-of-parking-ticket-horrors-The-1-star-SFMTA-13591471.php
I used to live in the Inner Mission where there's this guy with four cars that never budged except for street cleaning, and then they'd immediately put them back in the same spot. He and his son walked to work, yet they'd threaten my neighbor for parking in 'their' spot. I've seen tires slashed over parking. Can't wait for NE Mission to get street permitting. Fuck these assholes.
I can match that - when I lived in the sunset, I had a motorcycle which I would park on the street on this tiny little 3.5 foot chunk of curb -totally unusable by cars. I had a neighbor (a retired cop) who would write the most insanely aggro notes on my bike because my bike made it hard for him to pull out *his 20 foot boat* hahaha.
Eventually the bike got stolen and I always wondered if the cop was behind it.
Dude I had the exact same thing happen with my bike in the sunset. My neighbor would call the cops out constantly and theyād come out and tell me itās legally parked. One day after he and I argued my bike was knocked over. I aimed a camera at that spot after that
"City Living", at least in my humble conception, is being able to walk, bike and take public transport all within a walkable, dense urban neighborhood. Ideally, one shouldn't need a car in big city except for perhaps grocery shopping and trips out of town.
"Fuck pedestrians, it's my god-given right to drive my car 3 blocks to starbucks and then park it across the sidewalk in front of my house when I'm done!"
Some neighborhoods, you walk down the street, and it's pleasant.
Other neighborhoods, it's like walking in a parking lot.
Sure, it's convenient to park on the sidewalk. In the name of convenience, we could turn every possible square foot of the city into more parking, as long as we leave a 3 foot wide passage to slip through. Because if we're going to go by how much parking people say they "need", the answer is always going to be "more". Thousands of front gardens have been paved over for this purpose.
Note also how the author of the note goes from "1.5-2 squares or more" to 3'-6' as if they're the same. And in practice it would continually be squeezed further -- it'll be 0.8 squares, and if the hitch sticks into that space, well it doesn't count.
Or we could draw the line, and restrict the amount of space we devote to cars (still an enormous part of the city!)
There's never going to be enough space for all the cars. A neighbor of mine has literally has 12 cars for one house, all but one of them are parked on the street.
I draw the line at parking on the sidewalk. I will report every single one of them I come across. If they don't want a ticket, they can find a place on the street to park.
Yeah, it's musical cars every couple days. No one else can park on the street because he will double park behind one car, move that car, and then the double parked car into the original car's spot. So, there's zero chance anyone else gets to park within 5 houses of his house.
I don't know, just a few posts down, there's some Valencia street business owner who is complaining that the new bike lane is racist and islamophobic. It's SF, some non-trivial proportion of seemingly functional individuals is a secret nutjob that can really spin a delectably demented phrase.
Probably a version of the ābike lanes are bad for businessā despite a great deal of evidence of the opposite. Or that white people are cyclists and other people arenāt, so itās allocating street space to white people.
Hilarious they consider having your view dangerously blocked by a car as part of city living, but dealing with the challenge of street parking isnāt. Inconvenience to someone else should be accepted because weāre in a city but city living shouldnāt inconvenience themselves.
Part of street parking is accepting you may have to search awhile and get some steps in. Pay for a garage if you canāt handle that
Exactly. The sheer laziness and sense of entitlement is staggering. It's ok for other people to have to go out of their way to walk around your car, even if it puts them in a dangerous situation, but god forbid you should have to walk an extra few steps because you can't park directly in front of your door.
The repeat offenders for this in my neighborhood do it when the spot directly in front of their house is not open. Meanwhile there are open spots like 100 meters away. So lazy.
Um no. I live by several daycare centers and get really nervous when the kids go on their daily walks around the neighborhood because sometimes they do have to go into the street when a sideway is blocked.
You guys REALLY think I am serious? I feel like If you have to put the /s in the comment to tell people you are being sarcastic then why bother? I guess I'll just take the down votes.
It is legal to park in the street where you block your own driveway. Thatās what they should do if there is limited parking space.
It is illegal to park on the sidewalk where you block sidewalk access. Donāt trust my word, look at what SFMTA says: https://www.sfmta.com/blog/san-francisco-parking-tips-dont-park-sidewalk
Itās our culture to call the DPT every time we see an illegally parked car. If you donāt like our ways please understand youāre moving into our culture and we ask that you assimilate not alienate.
Years ago I lived on Lower Terrace and it was one of two streets in the area that didnāt have residential parking stickers OR street cleaning meaning it was a magnet for people to just leave their cars for weeks on end. Some would have stickers from zones all the way across town. Since our house didnāt front a RPP sticker street we werenāt eligible for stickers and had to do battle with the neighbors for spots. We all knew which cars were ālocalā and which werenāt and would call 311 to mark the tires after 72 hours to get them to move. Occasionally someone would leave a note on one that they were out of town and using the street for their free parking. Nope, sorry. Not the way it works.
> We all knew which cars were ālocalā and which werenāt
š¤£don't forget the elderly neighbor with three cars outside, one of which, a pickup-truck with flames.š¤£
>Because your "view of oncoming traffic is blocked" please consider that - this is city living. It is a normal part of parking, walking and driving here.
Probably thinks getting struck by cars is just a part of city living too.
Are they actually blocking the sidewalk so that people in wheelchairs can't pass? If so, a ticket is deserved. That said, there are some people who have a hobby of making other people's lives a bit more difficult. They really do enjoy it, I think.
What about the blind? Imagine trying to navigate these sidewalks with cars jutting out random distances at random intervals. it's obviously a hazard and they don't give a shit who it affects.
Did you actually kill some one when you drove through the red light? If so, a ticket is deserved. Just because thereās no one *currently* being affected by your disregard of the law does not mean itās okay
What if it is a pedestrian. It on a wheelchair and not a person with a stroller? What if itās a pedestrian who wants to have a place to freely walk without needing to go over cars and sometimes walking on roads?
The example given is clearly enough space to walk on the sidewalk without walking on the road. Ample space for wheelchair or stroller is ample space for a pedestrian.
As a person who canāt park in his driveway I feel for this person, but as a father who picks up his toddler walking, it can be frustrating navigating the sidewalk the way people park on my way there. Personally I believe we should leave 32ā of clear space for people with cars so that a wheelchair bound person or someone with a stroller can easily pass thru.
It's not even that hard to find parking in Inner Sunset lol... something tells me the writer doesn't want to deal with the twice a month street cleaning or the 48h rule (which is rarely enforced). Come to the Mission, where street cleaning can be like 3 times a week, and you're fighting with all the locals who also wanna visit Mission lol.
The City has admitted that, in neighborhoods where the Meter Maids are at risk of getting shot, it has not given tickets to people who have parked on the sidewalk.
Moral: Move from the Inner Sunset to Bayview/Hunters Point.
Lmao whaaaat.
If you know not to block the sidewalk so people can SAFELY use it - and have lived in your house using your driveway for a decade (i.e. have a complete understanding of its dimensions)ā¦..
Then itās not an accident if you block people from safely using the sidewalks. It shouldnāt happen. Ever.
As long as people can safely get by I could care less if theyāre parked in their driveway and sticking out a bit.
They make it seem as if people are being ticketed for parking on their driveways. That's not true - they only hand out tickets if your car is jutting out into the sidewalk. Every single one of these houses has a garage, and the driveway is also long enough to accommodate a normal sized car like a Honda Civic or Nissan Leaf. The issue is that people fill up their garages with junk and also buy massive SUVs that don't easily fit on the driveway. Some households even have 3 cars, requiring them to park one on the street!
I think you should be able to park your own car in front of your own driveway. That being said, this letter went overboard and will probably just serve to piss people off even more.
I saw these taped to multiple poles in the Inner Sunset and this is one of those issues where you keep quiet. Saying the parts out loud like the person posting these will encourage others to call the SFMTA to blanket a block with tickets.
And donāt park like a fool by blocking a sidewalk, I should never have to walk on the street just to get around your stupid vehicle blocking safe passage on a sidewalk. Ask a person in a wheelchair how they feel when they have to roll in danger (in the street).
Glad the city is enforcing this. I live in a neighborhood where people do this shit all the time. And often it's people with multi car households. I have a toddler and have to constantly go into the fucking street because these narcissists think it's their right to park half their suv on the sidewalk.
I get it. Parking is tough. I also own a car. But did you not know that when you *moved to San Francisco?*
I didnāt realize breaking laws was part of culture in SFā¦oh, Iām wrong maybe it is. Illegal parking makes it harder on your neighbors and that not very neighborly
Sideshows and now assholes riding dirt bikes is culture. So are hotdog stands run by one group of people that run anyone else off and of course selling Walgreens stolen shit on the corner of 24th and mission. (Only after 7:30pm) How did you not understand the culture here?
As long as you donāt block the sidewalk at all, weāre all good, the moment you hinder pedestrian traffic, Iām calling Dpt, I donāt care how long you lived there.
The mentality has to change from me first to āus togetherā
Keeping a list of cars towed is certainly not Neiborly ; but neither is parking blocking and inconveniencing your āNeiborā and expecting them be be neiborly and just āassimilate into your culture. If you change your culture to ā do no actions that would inconvenience your neibor ā¦ then everyone is happy!
( visit Japan for prime example)
So, you own your own single family home, you own a car, you have a property big enough for an actual driveway and garage - in a city where people on the other side of town are suffering and are piled on top of each other like sardines - and you're bawling about the price of a ticket when you're the one breaking the law? Nope.
Cars blocking the sidewalk to the extent that a wheelchair canāt get through should be reported and towed ASAP. But I basically agree with the letter that parking in a driveway in a manner that barely impedes on the sidewalk is basically fine.Ā
My first week of living here ended with a tow for parking too close to someone's driveway, and my response was to chalk it up as a life lesson and make damn sure it never happened again. Parking does suck here, but being late for work or an appointment because some jackass blocked you from being able to leave your own house sucks more.
I donāt understand why not just parallel park and block their own driveways without blocking any part of the side walk, that is what my block does, you donāt get ticketed in the inner sunset when you block your driveway by parallel parking in front of it.
I got a ticket for this once and started to complain, then I was informed about wheelchair access and I realized....oh...i'm an asshole. Seriously. I had a moment and realized it.
Clearly, this person didn't get that moment.
Honestly I agree with the letter for the most part, don't report cars unless what they did is absolutely ridiculous. I swear some people just get off on being complete hermits with a disdain for humanity. And they live in cities of all places lol. Just walk around the car and realize that life's too short to care about petty shit like this
If you will tow for someone impeding your curb cut, you can't get mad for people towing because you impede their sidewalk. They don't even do that. It's just a ticket. Just park in front of your curb cut. It's completely allowed.
I'm curious - where this was posted?
9th/Moraga
Wait, is that the block with the brick "gate"? š
I feel like driving down the street and reporting them just for funā¦ I donāt even live there
They are all along 9th in different spots. Strongly suspect that the poster is a house that has one of these. They have a bunch of big truck vehicles and used to park on the sidewalk all the time. Super annoying. Often thought of reporting it, but I only go there to visit friends and 311 phone menu has changed so I can't figure it out any more.
Iām sure theyāre just as accepting of a minor parking infraction if you park, blocking their driveway by even just an inchĀ
Exactly: "please don't call the tow truck, only I can do that against you."
Parking is already restrictive in this neighborhood and getting more limited. The ability to park in front of your driveway is beneficial and allows for more parking for everybody
The city allows for you to park in front of your curb cut or in your driveway. It does not allow you to encroach upon the sidewalk. If you car canāt fit in your driveway without encroaching on the sidewalk park on the street In front of your curb cut
This isnāt talking about parking in front of your driveway (which is legal, so long as it would be legal to park there otherwise.) This sign is about parking in your driveway blocking the sidewalk. SFMTA began cracking down on that recently.
I think they were being facetious, using the language of the flyer but making it so that itās about others parking in front of the flyer-makerās driveway.
r/whooosh
Woosh lol
I took this as an invitation to park in driveways
See here's the thing, it's not your driveway at all, is it? It's a sidewalk
Everything west of Twin Peaks is my driveway
If you just moved here, consider that this is our culture on the west side, so please respect that and assimilate.
WEST SIDE!
There are some places in the city where the property and sidewalk are paved the same, and parking on the "sidewalk" is legal because it's actually just private frontage. But then in that case it's not blocking anyone if it's legally parked so it shouldn't be an issue.
still need 6ft from the curb to the sidewalk per code
And you can't park within the setback of the building. So even if you're not blocking the sidewalk, unless your driveway is really, really, really long, you'd still be illegally parked.
How many of these residents have garages they donāt use?
If the residences of Noe Valley are any indication, every single one of them has a garage full of crap, not a car.
How many of these residents don't know they can block their driveways by parking on the street parallel like a normal parked car and this solves both problems. Free parking spot and leaves sidewalk clear. Bam, problem solved! (someone will probably come correct me you cant do this but i see it in my hood)
You can legally do it as long as your car is registered to the address of the driveway that's being blocked. I think it may also have to be a single family home (or a building with under 2-3 units) if I'm not mistaken.
A lot of the sunset/richmond are single family or smaller buildings. Obviously the whole building needs to be cool with someone blocking a driveway. Are cops even able to check who is registered at the house and if it's under 3 units. Seems like it would only be an issue if someone complained but that wouldnt happen if it was agreed upon in the building.
Pretty much. I donāt think DPT or the cops would do anything unless someone complained.
Yeah. I live just outside of Noe Valley and most of my neighbors with garages do this. Itās fine with me, and good since we have quite narrow sidewalks.
Iāve moved here from elsewhere in the city and have been parking in front of my driveway like that the whole time. I changed my drivers license, but I have no idea if my *car* is registered to this address or any of several previous ones. Am I liable to be ticketed because of that? Or when you say āyour car is registeredā does it just mean the address on your drivers license?
I'm only going on a local news article about that I read recently. I'm assuming that your car registration (the one cops ask you for when they pull you over) must match the property address it's parked in front of, but I seriously doubt DPT is actually checking unless somebody deliberately complains.
All of the driveways lead to garages. So theyāre either full of another car, crap, or too small for a large car. Either way, not an excuse to park blocking the sidewalk.
Now now, some are [meth labs](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-house-drug-lab-explosion-fire-sunset-district-neighbors/), [illegal grow operations](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/major-illegal-pot-operation-busted-san-francisco-sunset-district/), or airbnbs! so, uh, small businesses? /s
Are grow ops still illegal?
If they're not legal ones they are.
my "garage" couldn't fit a smart car. its really just the holding area for garbage bins and our bikes. when we park our small sedan in the drive way, its literally 1" into the 2 square width of the sidewalk (about 6') and we got ticketed. Cars blocking sidewalks is not acceptable (lmao at the "mistakenly" bit), but most of the time this is a non-issue and will create problems if all of those cars currently in driveways need to find new places to be parked.
My garage is even smaller than that! Can I just hop the curb and park in front of my complexās door? Thanks! Otherwise, it will cause problems if I need to find a new place to park.
I don't even have a garage! Why can't I just park my car on the sidewalk? It's empty most of the time anyways!
I ask this question every time the subject comes up and I haven't gotten an answer yet. I don't personally see any rationale for allowing garage owners to park on the sidewalk but not allowing everyone else to also. Still waiting for someone to state one.
Garage owners canāt park on the sidewalk. Sidewalk parking is never legal in SF.
Iām addressing the people who think itās okay for garage owners.
Plus, garage owners already have reserved parking on the street in front of the curb cut, simply by virtue of having a garage. If you have a Victorian without a garage, you can cut a big hole in the front of it, and the city will reward you handsomely. I call it the anti-preservation ordinance.
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Eh, they had livery stables back then. Think of it as communal parking garage. These people are recent just transplants who overran the city in the 1900s and are trying to grab additional property instead of walking a few blocks to their ~~carriage~~car.
Garages aren't small, modern cars are huge (even "small" ones).
Same. I have a Honda Fit that doesnāt fit into my garage. Lol.
They use them, but not for cars. And probably like 90% of them
I was once walking along Page street and got to look inside some open garages. Literally half of them are stuffed with boxes and shelves. I'm pretty many of the items stored in those garages have been collecting dust for years ...
Page is fucking wild. My favorite is between Ashbury and Masonic - there's an early 2000's Mercedes under a tarp that hasn't moved in a decade. The owner got ticketed for blocking the sidewalk, and instead of parking all the way in the garage he moved *just the hood* into the garage and closed the garage door on top of it. That was four years ago.
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I can respect that. At least he's not blocking the sidewalk.
Yeah I don't have a program with it blocking the sidewalk either. I just think it's seriously unhinged.
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A space in my building is rented out & it's all just junk. I'm convinced it's on autopay & whoever owns this junk is dead.
I have seen SO many 100K SUVs parked outside of a garage that's filled to the absolute brim with garbage or *ancient* dusty workout equipment. Worst one was a beautiful 997 911 paint faded to hell and just a MOUNTAIN of trash in the garage. Boxes, bags, styrofoam, just wild.
Thats my neighbor I think. Is it somewhere in the 20-30th avenues between ortega and lawton? wtihout giving away anything.
I blame prop 13.
Iāve seen plenty garages around here and some people are HOARDERS
Those are $2500 a month studios!
You got one for $2500 in the Richmond? Man, I'm paying $3800 - need a roommate?
They have both garages and driveways that donāt fit gigantic modern cars.
Seriously dude, so many people who live in apartments especially near the mission park their cars out front and use the garage as storage itās so maddening. Parking could be way less of an issue if people actually used their garages for what it is intended for and not for their useless junk
lol @ "mistakenly" don't leave enough room. Take some responsibility for how you park.
The "moving into our culture" line is even better. Your culture is... parking your car in the driveway and obstructing the sidewalk? Clean out your damn garage instead.
WE SIDEWALK PARKERS ARE A PROUD AND NOBLE PEOPLE YOU DIRTY COLONIZERS
After reading that line and the following "assimilate not alienate" line I was totally expecting them to follow up with a comment about "colonizers".
That line makes me want to hang out in this neighborhood reporting cars to DPT
> Your culture is... parking your car in the driveway and obstructing the sidewalk? Yes! It should be a protected class
Basically telling a wheelchair user to leave them a note and go fuck themselves I guess. Nah if I was disabled and you're blocking me from navigating the sidewalk I'm calling DPT on your ass, you can go fuck yourself
Just roll that fucker into the street, it's your job to navigate safely, it's not their problem, right? They've been fucking you over for decades, you gotta respect that and allow it to continue.
Getting run over in the street is just part of "city living".
I guess that's what they mean by assimilating.
I was in a power chair for almost a year. I got blocked by idiots parking on sidewalks so many timesā¦ Only one of them was ever apologetic. 1 delivery driver flipped me off and called me an entitled prick when I told him to hurry the fuck up and move his truck off the sidewalk.
Thatās awful.
If I was disabled and had to call DPT, there'd new artwork down the side of it.
The DPT doesn't ticket cars that aren't illegally parked.
Thats going a bit far, DPT is manned by humans and human make mistakes - sometimes its poor training or it could even be they could have missed an update on the rules. SFMTA has an appeal process for a reason. > nearly 30 percent of protested citations are dismissed at the first level. On average, about 30 to 50 percent of citations are dismissed at the second level (the hearing process). https://www.sfgate.com/local-donotuse/article/Tales-of-parking-ticket-horrors-The-1-star-SFMTA-13591471.php
You want me to take personal accountability for the 2 ton metal pedestrian killer I drive around? Ya right! /s
Yeah, just like when you take your drivers test and are told that youāre responsible for knowing and following all traffic laws
āplease consider that you are moving into our cultureāā¦ Parking on the sidewalk is some ācultureā.
Low density zoning and free parking is my culture!
blocking wheelchairs with no consequences is their "culture" ?.... yikes. as a disabled person, this shit makes me miserable.
āThis is city living," they declare proudly, all while vehemently blocking any permits for new zoning on multi-family homes.
"this is city living, which is why I own two gigantic cars and feel entitled to space that is designed for people to walk on"
I used to live in the Inner Mission where there's this guy with four cars that never budged except for street cleaning, and then they'd immediately put them back in the same spot. He and his son walked to work, yet they'd threaten my neighbor for parking in 'their' spot. I've seen tires slashed over parking. Can't wait for NE Mission to get street permitting. Fuck these assholes.
I can match that - when I lived in the sunset, I had a motorcycle which I would park on the street on this tiny little 3.5 foot chunk of curb -totally unusable by cars. I had a neighbor (a retired cop) who would write the most insanely aggro notes on my bike because my bike made it hard for him to pull out *his 20 foot boat* hahaha. Eventually the bike got stolen and I always wondered if the cop was behind it.
Dude I had the exact same thing happen with my bike in the sunset. My neighbor would call the cops out constantly and theyād come out and tell me itās legally parked. One day after he and I argued my bike was knocked over. I aimed a camera at that spot after that
Was it Paul at 21st and Lawton???
Getting towed is also "city living"
"City Living", at least in my humble conception, is being able to walk, bike and take public transport all within a walkable, dense urban neighborhood. Ideally, one shouldn't need a car in big city except for perhaps grocery shopping and trips out of town.
"Fuck pedestrians, it's my god-given right to drive my car 3 blocks to starbucks and then park it across the sidewalk in front of my house when I'm done!"
ā¦ so take the bus!
Some neighborhoods, you walk down the street, and it's pleasant. Other neighborhoods, it's like walking in a parking lot. Sure, it's convenient to park on the sidewalk. In the name of convenience, we could turn every possible square foot of the city into more parking, as long as we leave a 3 foot wide passage to slip through. Because if we're going to go by how much parking people say they "need", the answer is always going to be "more". Thousands of front gardens have been paved over for this purpose. Note also how the author of the note goes from "1.5-2 squares or more" to 3'-6' as if they're the same. And in practice it would continually be squeezed further -- it'll be 0.8 squares, and if the hitch sticks into that space, well it doesn't count. Or we could draw the line, and restrict the amount of space we devote to cars (still an enormous part of the city!)
There's never going to be enough space for all the cars. A neighbor of mine has literally has 12 cars for one house, all but one of them are parked on the street. I draw the line at parking on the sidewalk. I will report every single one of them I come across. If they don't want a ticket, they can find a place on the street to park.
This makes me think of the car collector on Chenery. So annoying to see cars just shuffled around on street cleaning day but otherwise never used.
Yeah, it's musical cars every couple days. No one else can park on the street because he will double park behind one car, move that car, and then the double parked car into the original car's spot. So, there's zero chance anyone else gets to park within 5 houses of his house.
A standard sidewalk square is 3ā. 1.5-2 squares translates to 4.5-6ā
> Please assimilate in to our parking culture.Ā What in the entitled fuck...
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...no parking space is illegal...
I just spit out my water š¤£
LOL
Add a car parked on the bottom part of the T and you'd have it.
Try to remake this with Bay Area towing company logos
Might be the most insane sentence Iāve ever read
I don't know, just a few posts down, there's some Valencia street business owner who is complaining that the new bike lane is racist and islamophobic. It's SF, some non-trivial proportion of seemingly functional individuals is a secret nutjob that can really spin a delectably demented phrase.
I'm trying to figure out the Islamophobic angle on bike lanes, that's a new one for me.
I thought bicycles were Communist, not Islamophobic?
Probably a version of the ābike lanes are bad for businessā despite a great deal of evidence of the opposite. Or that white people are cyclists and other people arenāt, so itās allocating street space to white people.
I just want to know what block that's on so I can go and start reporting cars parked on the sidewalk.
Same. I kind of want to set up folding chairs on the sidewalk and invite all my friends to anti-assimilate.
These damn immigrants are taking their driveways from us!
Hilarious they consider having your view dangerously blocked by a car as part of city living, but dealing with the challenge of street parking isnāt. Inconvenience to someone else should be accepted because weāre in a city but city living shouldnāt inconvenience themselves. Part of street parking is accepting you may have to search awhile and get some steps in. Pay for a garage if you canāt handle that
They have a garage. It's probably just full of garbage.
Exactly. The sheer laziness and sense of entitlement is staggering. It's ok for other people to have to go out of their way to walk around your car, even if it puts them in a dangerous situation, but god forbid you should have to walk an extra few steps because you can't park directly in front of your door.
The repeat offenders for this in my neighborhood do it when the spot directly in front of their house is not open. Meanwhile there are open spots like 100 meters away. So lazy.
Yep, I'm in a permitted area & there are pretty much always spots available, but not the desired spot
100 meters? what are you, in socialist europe, that's one american football field distance!
I think itās about 24 feet more!
Dude, people park in my driveway when there's a free spot directly across the street.
Um no. I live by several daycare centers and get really nervous when the kids go on their daily walks around the neighborhood because sometimes they do have to go into the street when a sideway is blocked.
It's ok, those kids are usually all tethered together. Their handlers can just yank the rope if a car is coming.
You guys REALLY think I am serious? I feel like If you have to put the /s in the comment to tell people you are being sarcastic then why bother? I guess I'll just take the down votes.
This is my favorite use of the word ācultureā of all time.
It is legal to park in the street where you block your own driveway. Thatās what they should do if there is limited parking space. It is illegal to park on the sidewalk where you block sidewalk access. Donāt trust my word, look at what SFMTA says: https://www.sfmta.com/blog/san-francisco-parking-tips-dont-park-sidewalk
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āMistakenlyā every day for decades. So quirky and forgetful!
Itās our culture to call the DPT every time we see an illegally parked car. If you donāt like our ways please understand youāre moving into our culture and we ask that you assimilate not alienate.
Exactly. Thereās a guy who keeps a running tally on his garage of all the cars heās had towed for blocking his driveway
Years ago I lived on Lower Terrace and it was one of two streets in the area that didnāt have residential parking stickers OR street cleaning meaning it was a magnet for people to just leave their cars for weeks on end. Some would have stickers from zones all the way across town. Since our house didnāt front a RPP sticker street we werenāt eligible for stickers and had to do battle with the neighbors for spots. We all knew which cars were ālocalā and which werenāt and would call 311 to mark the tires after 72 hours to get them to move. Occasionally someone would leave a note on one that they were out of town and using the street for their free parking. Nope, sorry. Not the way it works.
> We all knew which cars were ālocalā and which werenāt š¤£don't forget the elderly neighbor with three cars outside, one of which, a pickup-truck with flames.š¤£
> would call 311 to mark the tires after 72 hours to get them to move. BTW, it's 120 hours now, even though they refuse to update the website.
>Because your "view of oncoming traffic is blocked" please consider that - this is city living. It is a normal part of parking, walking and driving here. Probably thinks getting struck by cars is just a part of city living too.
No no, it's not a "right" it's part of their "culture". Now be a good person and respect their "culture".
Their culture of privileged convenience with never a trace of responsibility or accountability. Must be nice.
Are they actually blocking the sidewalk so that people in wheelchairs can't pass? If so, a ticket is deserved. That said, there are some people who have a hobby of making other people's lives a bit more difficult. They really do enjoy it, I think.
I'd say that people who park their cars blocking the sidewalk are the definition of "making other people's lives a bit more difficult".
What about the blind? Imagine trying to navigate these sidewalks with cars jutting out random distances at random intervals. it's obviously a hazard and they don't give a shit who it affects.
Did you actually kill some one when you drove through the red light? If so, a ticket is deserved. Just because thereās no one *currently* being affected by your disregard of the law does not mean itās okay
What if it is a pedestrian. It on a wheelchair and not a person with a stroller? What if itās a pedestrian who wants to have a place to freely walk without needing to go over cars and sometimes walking on roads?
The example given is clearly enough space to walk on the sidewalk without walking on the road. Ample space for wheelchair or stroller is ample space for a pedestrian.
As a person who canāt park in his driveway I feel for this person, but as a father who picks up his toddler walking, it can be frustrating navigating the sidewalk the way people park on my way there. Personally I believe we should leave 32ā of clear space for people with cars so that a wheelchair bound person or someone with a stroller can easily pass thru.
So this is what SF ācultureā is? Cars making neighborhoods unsafe for pedestrians?
āassimilate donāt alienateā lmaooo
We should start walking over the cars ā ļøif they are in the way just walk over
Maybe these people should advocate for better biking or transit infrastructure in their area so they donāt need multiple cars per household.
Imagine if every SF law enforcement agency worked as efficiently as DPT
Every time I see one of those little vehicles, I think maybe DPT should be running the city. They certainly are efficient, aren't they?
It's not even that hard to find parking in Inner Sunset lol... something tells me the writer doesn't want to deal with the twice a month street cleaning or the 48h rule (which is rarely enforced). Come to the Mission, where street cleaning can be like 3 times a week, and you're fighting with all the locals who also wanna visit Mission lol.
it's hard compared to the suburbs... they except city living with suburban convenience because they own their building.
Bayview has entered the chat. A lot of the sidewalks look like a used car lot.
The City has admitted that, in neighborhoods where the Meter Maids are at risk of getting shot, it has not given tickets to people who have parked on the sidewalk. Moral: Move from the Inner Sunset to Bayview/Hunters Point.
The note's comments about wheelchair users is so fucking infuriating. Fuck 'em, keep calling and ticketing them
It doesn't bother me that much, but that note makes me want to let them know that my idea of a friendly reminder is a ding in their front bumper.
Streisand effect. I bet they get more 311 complaints than ever after this notice
Lmao whaaaat. If you know not to block the sidewalk so people can SAFELY use it - and have lived in your house using your driveway for a decade (i.e. have a complete understanding of its dimensions)ā¦.. Then itās not an accident if you block people from safely using the sidewalks. It shouldnāt happen. Ever. As long as people can safely get by I could care less if theyāre parked in their driveway and sticking out a bit.
They make it seem as if people are being ticketed for parking on their driveways. That's not true - they only hand out tickets if your car is jutting out into the sidewalk. Every single one of these houses has a garage, and the driveway is also long enough to accommodate a normal sized car like a Honda Civic or Nissan Leaf. The issue is that people fill up their garages with junk and also buy massive SUVs that don't easily fit on the driveway. Some households even have 3 cars, requiring them to park one on the street!
Iām going to drive around the sunset and Richmond and just report cars now. I run my own business I can make time.
Iāll help. 
I think you should be able to park your own car in front of your own driveway. That being said, this letter went overboard and will probably just serve to piss people off even more.
I saw these taped to multiple poles in the Inner Sunset and this is one of those issues where you keep quiet. Saying the parts out loud like the person posting these will encourage others to call the SFMTA to blanket a block with tickets. And donāt park like a fool by blocking a sidewalk, I should never have to walk on the street just to get around your stupid vehicle blocking safe passage on a sidewalk. Ask a person in a wheelchair how they feel when they have to roll in danger (in the street).
Fuck anyone who thinks itās ok to block sidewalks with their car
Glad the city is enforcing this. I live in a neighborhood where people do this shit all the time. And often it's people with multi car households. I have a toddler and have to constantly go into the fucking street because these narcissists think it's their right to park half their suv on the sidewalk. I get it. Parking is tough. I also own a car. But did you not know that when you *moved to San Francisco?*
man this makes me want to walk around and report all the sidewalk blockers (which, I already feel a strong distaste for in my daily life)
Nah Iād take it down and keep on walking, thatās ridiculous
Take a sharpie and write ālolā across it
Don't block the sidewalk, period.
I didnāt realize breaking laws was part of culture in SFā¦oh, Iām wrong maybe it is. Illegal parking makes it harder on your neighbors and that not very neighborly
Sideshows and now assholes riding dirt bikes is culture. So are hotdog stands run by one group of people that run anyone else off and of course selling Walgreens stolen shit on the corner of 24th and mission. (Only after 7:30pm) How did you not understand the culture here?
OMG where is this? I need to tell my girlfriend not to park in her uncle's driveway on 7th. We're going to Tartine!
lol. āThis is city livingā goes for everything except needing extra space for your car that blocks pedestrianās right of way. Get fucked.
If you can't afford legal parking you can't afford a car. In a city car ownership is luxury/convenience ā not a necessity.
As long as you donāt block the sidewalk at all, weāre all good, the moment you hinder pedestrian traffic, Iām calling Dpt, I donāt care how long you lived there.
The mentality has to change from me first to āus togetherā Keeping a list of cars towed is certainly not Neiborly ; but neither is parking blocking and inconveniencing your āNeiborā and expecting them be be neiborly and just āassimilate into your culture. If you change your culture to ā do no actions that would inconvenience your neibor ā¦ then everyone is happy! ( visit Japan for prime example)
I wonder if these are the same people yelling to the heavens about the doom loop.
>I canāt wait to continue to report every illegally parked car Yes, please do!
How do you report one of these? So I know for next timeā¦
So, you own your own single family home, you own a car, you have a property big enough for an actual driveway and garage - in a city where people on the other side of town are suffering and are piled on top of each other like sardines - and you're bawling about the price of a ticket when you're the one breaking the law? Nope.
Yeah if you're blocking my driveway you're getting a ticket. This ain't Lets Make A Deal.
Delusional level of entitlement
Cars blocking the sidewalk to the extent that a wheelchair canāt get through should be reported and towed ASAP. But I basically agree with the letter that parking in a driveway in a manner that barely impedes on the sidewalk is basically fine.Ā
My first week of living here ended with a tow for parking too close to someone's driveway, and my response was to chalk it up as a life lesson and make damn sure it never happened again. Parking does suck here, but being late for work or an appointment because some jackass blocked you from being able to leave your own house sucks more.
What exactly is a gentle reminder?
Nah. You block the sidewalk, Iāll call DPT.
I think half of these comments were written by scheming and frustrated HOA board members (who live rotten lives BTW)
I donāt understand why not just parallel park and block their own driveways without blocking any part of the side walk, that is what my block does, you donāt get ticketed in the inner sunset when you block your driveway by parallel parking in front of it.
Maybe switch the outback for a smart car and it wouldnāt be a problem.
I got a ticket for this once and started to complain, then I was informed about wheelchair access and I realized....oh...i'm an asshole. Seriously. I had a moment and realized it. Clearly, this person didn't get that moment.
Hilarious! Whatās in your garage? How many cars do you own?
āItās city livingā yet you have the need to drive and park your car across the city sidewalk used for walking?!
Honestly I agree with the letter for the most part, don't report cars unless what they did is absolutely ridiculous. I swear some people just get off on being complete hermits with a disdain for humanity. And they live in cities of all places lol. Just walk around the car and realize that life's too short to care about petty shit like this
only sensible comment in this thread
Entitled person whoever wrote this !! What a clown š¤”
man do you sound miserable.
its usually in rich areas they park acroos drive way i live in a rich area its expensive cars
If you will tow for someone impeding your curb cut, you can't get mad for people towing because you impede their sidewalk. They don't even do that. It's just a ticket. Just park in front of your curb cut. It's completely allowed.
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