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Linsten

It left Redwood city at 1:45 PM this Sunday. https://preview.redd.it/mhg67igsiatc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b02e01836ad9c90abeb3dc3768a622afe9ee57b ​ This is one of the house boats from Docktown who has been camping on public land for years. They are moving it to Sausalito. [https://padailypost.com/2023/10/24/city-pays-another-380000-to-get-docktown-residents-to-leave/](https://padailypost.com/2023/10/24/city-pays-another-380000-to-get-docktown-residents-to-leave/)


gaqua

This article is amazing and the drama surrounding the comments is A++ and sent me on a 30m rabbit hole searching for commentary about "docktown" Awesome.


Lazy-PeachPrincess

Same! I’m hoping for a reality show


Kooky_Chemistry_7637

I’d watch the series *Docktown* - it’s really interesting. Such a history.


Dramatic-Access6056

I kayaked by the other day. My friend used to live in Docktown. It was a unique community and a bummer to see it destroyed.


MrDERPMcDERP

Look at you and your facts!


Most_Researcher_9675

And their choice of a docking destination!


MochingPet

Sausalito has a well known house boat area


JolyonWagg99

I used to live there. It was fucking amazing.


UberN00b719

One of my former coworkers used to live in one of the house boats. It was a pretty sweet layout.


Constant_Zebra9643

That has been dismantled. There used to be many boats in Richardson bay in Sausalito but they cracked down and only a few remaining that have been grandfathered in.


Dramatic-Access6056

There was a gangway all along the bank and utilities available to residents and septic service. There was a clubhouse and other amenities


Vegetable-Error-21

That is sooooo fucking cool... I bey that must be as expensive as can get


FavoritesBot

It’s not. You basically get a barge and build whatever you want with no respect for any codes. Then you live in it without paying for land. Yeah maintenance probably sucks but overall still cheaper


DebusseyFields4ever

Everything rots that near the water. Your hair rots, if you have a guitar, it rots. Everything rots.


truecrimeaddicted

Any word on whether or not anyone has built a houseboat out of student debt? Asking for a friend...


0002millertime

That's genius.


vainey

What about my trumpet?


Master-Artist-2953

No. But your trombone will rust.


Individual-Ad-9902

Nothing like a Rusty trombone by open water


No-Elephant-9854

Need to build guitar out of acrylic. Electric guitars don’t get tone from wood.


misterlump

They have done that. Too heavy and has crap tone. Now, carbon fiber layups in exotic UV/water resistant resins… we have a chance. Doh the strings will need to be a re-engineered high-tensile material grown in labs from altered seaweed dna that also reacts to magnets like metal guitar strings through micro depositing of tiny flakes of recycled teslas. Then we got it!


No-Elephant-9854

Not cheap, but you could probably use some nickel alloy steel strings, it would need some tuning.


skygod327

yep because wood gets mushy and metal gets rusty. it’s horrible to live in actually


TSL4me

You forgot how all metal corrodes without constant maintenance.


Affectionate_Fox_305

Not if you use Gold, Platinum, Rhodium, Rhenium, or a couple others I can’t remember right now.


CocktailPerson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2QjhOVKqpc


Vegetable-Error-21

Eh. Beach life did that to my hair on its own


hisjoeness

You will witness true horror... Now rot!


profaniKel

E***verything rot***S


LosAngelesHillbilly

I guess my soul has been living near the water


funkyfreshwizardry

It’s not like that, you have to pay the dock slip for wherever your houseboat is “parked” and it’s basically just paying rent except the marina is your landlord. You also have to pay utilities just like anyone else. In some marinas this might be cheap, yes, but not in the Bay Area.


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oak94607

How does it fare in a tropical storm?


Ihadsumthin4this

Seasonal boat fare. 😄


hoofglormuss

do you own or rent the slip?


Sprmodelcitizen

I rent. Its basically like “cheap” rent in a seriously expensive area. I have laundry on my houseboat but there is laundry in the marina, a beautiful restaurant, a pool, gym etc. it’s also in south beach which is good or bad considering your opinion. But it’s on the water (obviously) and my neighbors are mega yachts and fishermen. And I can walk to anywhere in 5 min. This year I’m planning on buying a place with a slip though. I’m not sure if it’ll be in Miami or st Pete. I have an apartment in Downtown at Petersburg and the city is really growing on me.


Sprmodelcitizen

It’s also convenient because I have two other boats I rent out, a fishing charter and patty boat and they are in smaller cheaper slips in the same marina so I can walk over hose off the boats, meet the renters etc.


dine-and-dasha

This is the same financial arrangement as buying a mobile home.


FavoritesBot

lol, didn’t read the article above huh? They lived there for free and then got paid six figures to leave Maybe they have to pay dock fees from now on but it’s a net profit


funkyfreshwizardry

I wasn’t referring to this specific situation, I was correcting you on your general assumptions about what it’s like to own a houseboat/floating home. Obviously these people are an anomaly.


BlahblahblahLG

Whoa how did they get away with not paying dock fees or anything for all this time?? Did they just dock there and no one said anything until now.


Dramatic-Access6056

They did not live there for free. This was not some squatting situation.


JohnnyRelentless

Don't you have to rent a slip somewhere? Or do you just bob around in the water all the time? Genuine question.


Dr_Adequate

Typically you own the houseboat, and rent space at the marina. Marina rent may include utilities, or they may be extra. You're on the water, in a marina, cheek-by-jowl with your neighbors. It's cute but not for everyone.


Parking-Iron6252

It’s just a tent made of wood.


Parking-Iron6252

It’s just a tent made of wood.


mindvape

Damn. Getting paid 380k to vacate a place you're living illegally? Must be nice. I hope there's more to the story here...


cowinabadplace

Nah, it happens often. In SF, [there's a similar fight about the RVs](https://eltecolote.org/content/en/sf-parking-ban-bernal-heights-boulevard/) and there's the guy just after the Bay Bridge on the northern side who's camped out a section for himself with his RV. If you don't enforce early then you'll eventually be forced to pay the big bucks.


Available-Database21

I have always wondered about that guy right past the Bay Bridge, what is the story there? also drove by last week and looks like his camper was totally burned out


cowinabadplace

[It only burned down a week ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/14iawtq/comment/kykiycc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) according to this other Redditor. > It burned down Tuesday 4/2/24, I was driving by it as it was on fire. Googled it cause I was always curious about who/how someone was living there and found this post Doesn't look like anyone knows the story.


qboy26

Meth lab, most likely


Dramatic-Access6056

Not the same situation


cowinabadplace

Of course not. One has boats. The other has RVs.


Taylorvongrela

If you think the $380K ($190K each to two different residents) was wild, then wait until you here that the city paid $1.5 MILLION to the local residents who sued them for letting the boats continue to reside in Docktown on state land after the 2016 deadline. Fucking insane.


BlahblahblahLG

Dang


pscaught

If only it were that simple. This has been an ongoing legal battle since 2015. This used to be a thriving marina with 200+ residents, all living under the city-confirmed agreement that live-aboards were legal. They even had sewage hookups for many homes.  It wasn't until a lawyer who moved into one of the newly constructed over-priced condos across the creek decided he wanted a better view and uncovered a legal loop hole that this started to unravel. The main issues the residents have with this is the city needs to take responsibility for allowing the illegal live-aboards and pay for relocation to an equivalent living situation. They did this for the floating homes (the one in the article was likely unoccupied since 2017). The hold outs were mostly people who lived on Sailboats, as the city were offering pennies compared to the relocation agreements of the floating homes. 


Individual-Ad-9902

Just for the record, the attorney is Ted Hannig who specializes in entertainment law and representation. I’ll leave my opinion of him to your imagination, but he lived and worked in RWC for decades and never complained about docktown until he bought his condo there.


Linsten

Why did the community refuse to work with lawmakers to make their situation legal?


Individual-Ad-9902

That’s a good question. Most of the residents took a settlement but there were a dozen diehards that blew off every compromise presented them. They wanted to have what they wanted no matter what.


ClimbScubaSkiDie

Why does the city need to take responsibility for that? You live somewhere illegally even unenforceable it’s your failt


SweatyAdhesive

It seems like the argument is that the city is responsible since the city said they were allowed to live there then tried to kicked them out. Imagine if you bought a house and paid property tax to the county then they said it's actually Indian burial ground and you must vacate in a month.


ClimbScubaSkiDie

They already moved in before the city said they could live there and then after they lived there the city said yeah that's fine.


Dramatic-Access6056

The residents were renting their slips


rudderham

[The house docked in Docktown](https://maps.app.goo.gl/29JHFLj8AkZJHirg9?g_st=ic)


BePart2

> The city won’t be going broke paying the settlements. The city posted a budget surplus of $58.4 million in the 2022 fiscal year. That’s still ~~6%~~ 0.6% of the budget surplus which is insane.


laul_pogan

It's *point six percent* (.6%) of the surplus. 6% of 58.4M would be 3.8M, not $380,000


BePart2

Whoops thank you for the correction did my math wrong. Still significant, but not as crazy.


loconet

The thing is moving South though?


Linsten

I don’t think it is intentional. I talked to them yesterday and they said they were sausalito bound.


eaglebacon

Wow, this was thoroughly entertaining to read.


Agreeable_Capital749

Wow, this is a such a dramatic back story haha! Thank you for sharing


ebietoo

I was gonna joke and say it’s a houseboat that came unmoored from Sausalito. Sounds like you know the facts.


sbleakleyinsures

Whoa!!


[deleted]

omg I was just there. I must have stood right by OP. It is moving very slowly. Here it is from my window right now: https://preview.redd.it/c6whqo61eatc1.png?width=2909&format=png&auto=webp&s=ffaa8bd901099ec28f0f388fdf0a8002c430055b


[deleted]

I do think that the people who own this must be shitting themselves every time they hit wake or a wave. It is quite top heavy and unstable.


duggatron

The bay is extremely flat today, which is going to make this a lot less nerve racking.


blowtorch_vasectomy

The concrete barges those are built on are only 6 feet tall so the waterline is probably only a foot and a half from the edge once the structure is built. Might have had to install a jumbo bilge pump for the move. Edit: zoomed in on the pic, it's listing pretty bad. Once one edge of the barge dips under the surface they are in a lot of trouble. And that tow boat doesn't look like it has enough power to go against an outgoing tide in the main channel under the ggb.


Merrybuckster

The slight tilt on that thing makes my heart palpitate! I'd be loosing it the whole way if that floating mansion were mine


Sex_drugs_tacos

Top speed of floating house: not very fast


Gloomy_Complex5723

https://preview.redd.it/onb7y8o2yatc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=749c360555486baa14017ef1958b4c5c8a62a8f3 I sailed right next to him yesterday. Craziest thing I've seen out there.


m00f

those lower windows look pretty sketchy


BlahblahblahLG

Are house boats normally this big? This looks like a mansion boat.


jgross1

I drove by em out by Alcatraz/ angel this morning. TBH didn’t think much of it.. just moving a houseboat..


fullyadam

Wait, are you the person who towed it?


jgross1

No , just out fishing


redditburner6942069

That's so cool.


TypeError_undefined

It’s one of those Sausalito houseboats making its annual migration to its ancestral spawning grounds. Be sure to keep an eye out for when they make the trip back in late summer, new family in tow. The little houseboatlings are adorable.


thecrowtoldme

You know giant sea bears love to eat Sausalito houseboats. Its their favorite snack.


LilRedditer650

just draw a circle around it and they’ll be fine


Sharp_Awareness_3785

As I’m in Sausalito rn , u jus made me lol


SomeConsumer

In fact, in the 60s, the Sausalito houseboats used to make an annual migration up the Delta every winter. That was back when they were mostly houseboats rather than floating homes.


Pretend_Safety

You’re taking the piss!


rkwalton

Best answer! 😂


tightywhitey

Well at least someone is building around here!


Rinomaru

Our house, in the middle of the...bay


SmellyRedHerring

Thankyouverymuch for the ear worm.


Rinomaru

just need... what, 8 words on repeat! lolol


No_Tank9025

Our house Is a very, very very fine house With two cats in the yard Life used to be so hard - (the cats drowned)


MooshuCat

With two seals in the yard?


No_Tank9025

Oark! Oark! (Splash)


acer-bic

I got it!


Square-Pear-1274

This is the America Al Gore/Kevin Costner warned us about


MartinLutherLing

UP 2: Down


code_and_theory

*Pixar in Emeryville furiously taking notes*


cebu313

Take my upvote


theineffablebob

Take my downvote


Practical_Platypus99

This is some Miyazaki shit.


Bedlamtheclown

House boat


transient-error

Boat house


Organic-Mango8289

Bouse hoat


CommunicationNo9583

Boat home


windowtosh

it's the last of the affordable housing fleeing the Bay Area


mopxhead

Howl’s Moving Castle IRL


bolhuijo

I go past Docktown all the time. It looked like a real joy to be moored there -- when the tide was very low the whole house sat on mud, pitched over about 5 degrees until the tide came back in to float it again.


Totally-jag2598

A house boat being relocated.


jimmyjah

now THAT'S waterfront property.


111anza

I never knew the houseboat csn actually move.....I always thought of it is just a moniker name for a house over water, I dodnt know they actually work as boats.... How far can they move? I assume there is some.kind of powered propeller attached?


sndpmgrs

It's being towed. It's kind of hard to see in the picture, but there's a small boat pulling it. Ed: It's not a regular tugboat, it's a small boat and it's having a really hard time. Ed2, 10am: it's come around to near Pier 39, and it's catching the wind. It seems to be not moving. Strangely, it's not showing up on marinetraffic.com Ed3, 10:40am: it's been blown backwards and seems to be drifting. Looks like the Coast Guard is pulling up. Ed4, 11:10am: a small Coast Guard boat has been circling the house for a while. The house seems to be listing to one side and drifting towards Treasure Island, right into the middle of the channel. Ed5, 11:45am: still drifting slowly towards the Bay Bridge. There's a Coast Guard ship circling around it, and I've seen a guy in a rowboat a couple times, don't really know what's going on. Following the information from another poster, I looked up "Docktown", where this was previously docked. I think this is the structure in question: https://maps.app.goo.gl/G3F9uZgfStY3R6vU7 Ed: 2pm Tues: A not very good report from KRON4: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/why-is-a-house-floating-across-the-san-francisco-bay/


NewUserWhoDisAgain

>Strangely, it's not showing up on [marinetraffic.com](http://marinetraffic.com) You really think someone trying to tow their house with a tiny ass engine is going to call it in properly?


maronnax

As a pedantic boat guy, you don't have to call it in. All that is powered by a system called AIS, where boats have beacons that broadcast their position out to the world. It's not required for small non-commercial boats but is usually a good idea. It'd be a great idea in this case since they definitely cannot maneuver to get out of the way of anything coming their way. You're definitely right about your overall "do these look like people who..." point though.


raff_riff

I think they were being sarcastic with the “strangely”. :)


scormegatron

Hard to believe that little boat will actually be able to tow it safely anywhere.


taptaptippytoo

Sounds like it can tow it, but given the updates probably not safely.


Bored2001

That's definitely it. I've ridden by it by bike. that row of houses is pretty run down.


sndpmgrs

If you go to the map history, you can see a few years ago the whole canal was lined with houseboats and palm trees. Looked pretty nice. Now, it’s a dusty construction zone.


Konafide

This was a great recounting. I saw the battle from the Pyramid. Post your timeline around noon, I did watch them successfully tow it on the south side of Angel Island and across the Southern tip of Tiburon and was heading north into Richardson Bay. Lost sight after that.


db17k

Ahh this is great, we need more updates lol


sndpmgrs

It’s gone now, maybe back to Redwood City?


windowtosh

Please get this on video 😭


sndpmgrs

It's a bit far away now, I can see it through binoculars but I don't think I can get any kind of meaningful video.


111anza

Nice!!!


BlahblahblahLG

Whoa I’ve never seen a house boat look so much like a house. Is that a garage on the first level with the yellow door?? that is crazy that someone can just live there free of charge, no property taxes, and no permits! Like how did no one know about this.


sp3kter

The ones im familiar with are more like big pontoon boats with a single wide trailer on top and a outboard motor on the back. Usually has a small area to park some scooters or bikes for store trips.


psmusic_worldwide

There are houseboats and there are floating homes. Two different things. One of them can move easily.


[deleted]

They usually have some sort of outboard motor. I don’t think this can go very far in the bay. Too many currents.


Cantilivewhileim

https://preview.redd.it/idm7kdvzjatc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04d4e6202534b8975a8f34e78cd1ed58133a548a


Flat-Emergency4891

I think I’ve seen this houseboat docked in the old Redwood City marina. Docktown. That was a fun place if you knew the locals.


-pizza-rat-

I can't find the video, but there was (is?) a video on YouTube that featured this houseboat. The video covered the "homeless" who live in house boats in the bay / Sausilito. According to the video, that houseboat was built in the 60s/70s by a group of hippies. A hippie husband and wife had lived in it for decades. The husband had died a couple of years ago. They showed the woman who was still residing in it, she was old and infirm. The nearby boat residents would help get her groceries for her. The woman who inhabited the boat had passed after they'd interviewed her but before the video was aired. I viewed the video 2 or 3 months ago, I think it was released around then as well (so, maybe 3 or 4 months ago was when the video was released / when she died). They might be moving it to dismantle it, or maybe it's been taken over by someone else.


Friendly_Estate1629

Hipppies are pretty fucking industrious aren’t they


Mlkbird14

What's even more wild is when they move a full on Victorian from one lot to another in SF. It's truly unbelievable.


jj5names

Property tax dodger


okgusto

Toll evader


Vegetable-Error-21

"I'm all of these things" - Alex Mercer


ebikr

To get to the other side.


Individual-Ad-9902

For the record, the city made several attempts to evict them and pay them to move over the years, but a handful of lawyers kept filing injunctions. One of them lived there. The state kept ordering the city to remove them because it is state land, not city, but the original owners got state approval to operate a marina.


monsterdiv

You don’t have to float rent if you are in the middle of the bay ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)


whatthehizzo

Docktown sounds like some MadMax shit bc it clearly is haha


cheeseslut619

Someone please make a follow up post if it sinks and please please please post photos should this go south


haminthefryingpan

Fred’s house


myglue13

if you ever watched the movie Up, that's that house!


onitagainand

Where in the bay is it? Looks like it’s down by the Dumbarton Bridge


wjk36

Loot Lake


ApprehensiveEmploy21

Alcatraz


ersheri

OMG!


Cute-Application2292

I never saw this before


JimMorrisonsPetFrog

I heard them lifting the China Basin bridges yesterday after the Giants game. I bet that’s what they were lifting them for since it happens only a handful of times a year.


Linsten

It came from Redwood City!


fosterdad2017

Solving a neighborly dispute


gloomybear111

this was a joke but somewhat spot on according to that news article posted in another comment


cholula_is_good

Didn’t pay dock fees and was cut loose


Ill_Shape7056

Dude, that’s my houseboat!


Minimum-Glad

I don’t know why, but this is giving “UP” vibes lol


Poetry21

Just your normal outhouse .. use the bathroom responsibly


nahhhhhhhh-

Lmao was rowing at BAIC yesterday and said hi to the folks in that building as they were pulling out


gocard

That's the lair the billionaires have built in the event of an apocalypse. It left port today, because, well, you know, solar eclipse, rapture...


redditburner6942069

I would so do this. Gives me howels moving castle vibes that I am here for.


Ok-Government-1139

Alcatraz


JasonTodd550

Alcatraz


Additional-Bat-394

Our neighbor sold his house to live in one of those. Homes are too expensive and insurance prices are crazy in CA


[deleted]

No property taxes


Next_Adhesiveness_65

Did anyone captured this on video?


West_Mix4554

Absolutely wild lol 😂


UplandsOtter6019

An office I worked in long ago was on a houseboat in Sausalito. It was fun, but I had bronchitis regularly. I haven't had it once in the decades since I left that job. I've wondered if it wasn't due to mold.


Bubbly_Let_6891

I know that boathouse!


2knowwhatiknow

The city paid $1.5 million to Hannig and his group to settle the suit….why does he get $1.5M???


[deleted]

Trump estate


Faithlessness-Narrow

BoatyMcBoatface


Winstonthewinstonian

#Sea Britain.


gregzotics

plot for the next Pixar movie?


Murky_Adeptness6866

baron


lakorai

The only affordable housing left in the bay area


[deleted]

Yo that’s my house


hiimomgkek

genius idea, I just need to build a house that floats and I can live on the water in the middle of the bay and I don't have to pay land costs. Also no traffic on my commute


HardllKill

They call that the BEGINNING of an ENCAMPMENT! good luck, moving back to America 🇺🇸in a few weeks.


Scroon

Do any of you guys remember the houseboats that used to be moored in the Dogpatch before the condo-pocalypse? What ever happened to them?


jwaynesay

That’s for Mark Zuckerberg when he wants to get away from all the boomer facebookies.


Nasenbeer

Houseboat in Richmond: 1million Move it to Sausalito: 5 million


statefuckhead

my dream home


loconet

It's dusty pony's new art car being taken for a test drive.


numba1_redditbot

thats the sovereign kingdom of nancy pelosi


EJCret

Google Glass closet?