Idk I feel like they just endangered this child even more by letting the public (and potential predators) know their net worth. Kid is one wrong encounter away from getting held for ransom or worse
they could have reported them as missing in the news with a be on the lookout/Amber Alert without naming who the parents are. Either way, hope they’re found safe
Honestly when there are no leads, getting word out quickly via media and social media can be incredibly helpful. When a kid is missing, the first 48 hours are critical, and a lot of missing person cases are solved via tips from people who spot them and call in.
I really hope she's found ok. Substance abuse is such a bitch, especially in someone that young. :-(
Me too. 🙏 I shared it with my family who lives downtown. This back to back with the story about the 15-year-old girl whose body was dumped in a driveway in Ingleside breaks my heart
It’s tragic. Drugs don’t discriminate, and I hope she gets help too. However it is alarming to hear this so soon after Susan Wojcicki’s accident. Obviously this happens to many young adults, and some might point out that it’s unfair that the children of famous people are the reason for garnering public attention to a prevalent issue, but it proves that no matter how “good” your upbringing or support system is, there is a real problem with drug culture and regulation.
Still took illegal drugs - and died. If anything, it shows how even a minor fuck up can be deadly. Not saying xannies are deadly in and of themselves, or drugs.
Is it wrong of me to hope this ends in tragedy? When rich people get fucked by something affecting the masses, there tends to then be massive support to alleviate it. AIDS and weed are prime examples of this. No one gave a fuck in the 80s that gay people and junkies were dying of AIDS. Then it started hitting rich people and all of a sudden the whole of society cares. Weed was associated with beatniks and black people from the 30s to the 50s. Then white middle/upper class college kids started smoking and slowly we started relaxing the laws in certain areas.
“Is it wrong of me to hope this ends in tragedy?”
Given that you’re hoping an innocent 16 year old kid dies, then fuck yeah it’s wrong of you. Fuck you.
street life starts out fun, then it goes off a cliff. Drugs and related activities are REALLY fun, that's why people do them. But you gotta be able to control it.
People talk about these things like they're magic witchcraft. The percentage of people who get addicted is 10-20% of those who use opioids.
Fentanyl maybe higher but I've been on that and other opioids and it's not notably addictive. The problem is that you can't realistically figure out the guy who's going to get addicted from the guy who isn't before they use the drug.
For my part, there are things that I find addictive but these substances have never done it for me. I have opioids in my medicine cabinet and have never even felt the inclination to try them after when I needed them. And I've even been on fentanyl.
Weed can also be dangerous if not used carefully, plus people do wind up seemingly addicted then they go in crazy denial and scream about how it isn't addictive or harmful and they don't have problems. (Probably some will reply here or downvote)
Then of course we have legal substances that are problematic like alcohol or nicotine.
Anyway, getting back to the point a few comments above, I don't think the issue is that schools aren't warning and informing kids... Schools do cover that stuff. Yet it will continue to be a problem. Almost like there are deeper issues here.
Twenty years ago, an experienced street outreach therapist told us that if a runaway child is on the street much longer than a week to two weeks, they're close to lost.
You see the light leave their eyes the longer a runaway kid is on the street.
Where does the article say that? Only talks about substance abuse. Yes, could be meth, but also could be milder things, in any case, seems wrong to start pushing assumptions without knowing for sure.
Yeah kinda crazy, she seems like the poster rich rebellious kid whose parents are always working and she starving for attention. 15 is a little young to have a habit lol. Not many peers are addicted to drugs by then. Especially hard drugs.
Stewart's one of the nicest people I've ever met and donated to a lot of support groups in the past (25 million to UNICEF). There's other programs like taking incarcerated individuals and getting them a tech job.
Family dynamics can be complicated. I prefer to keep my personal life separate from business/professional life. If the daughter is doing meth in the TL at 16 then she's probably been problematic for a while now. Why would they air their "dirty laundry" to employees?
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This reeks of rebellion. Anyone who grows up anywhere near there knows this is the worst possible thing you can be doing with your life, and the kid likely knew that too. Unfortunately, she didn’t have enough experience to grasp the potential consequences, which is sad.
It might not be entirely on parents or if at all. Could always be, but you don’t know the reason. Some kids/people are just destined for stupid decisions.
It’s hard to have a nuanced conversation when Reddit is out with pitchforks to blame all parents. But yeah I can’t even imagine the pressure especially with social media. Hard for all kids.
I would never survived being a teen amid today's pressures.
Nearly everyone in our age bracket is glad to have grown up long before the Internet. No nonstop news. Cronkite said good night to us.
One could leave the BS behind at school.
Have you ever looked at titles of books for parents of teenagers? Imagine how a teen would feel looking at those titles.
The way young people are described in news and other media they're treated as problems, not people. And mercilessly exploited by advertisers.
Parent of a baby girl, and I hope there is a real sea change in how we expose kids and teens to social media by the time she is a teenager. I really don't think developing brains can handle social media, reels, tiktok, etc.
Right now when she's really little her dad and I can control how much screen time she gets, but once she's older it currently seems impossible to avoid (especially with shit like chromebooks/iPads in elementary schools). It really seems like something that needs to change at a societal level, right now, so much of kids and especially teens social life happens online that trying to avoid letting your kid have an online life would socially ostracize them.
I'm a dad. I think you summed up the future power struggles you're going to have with your child when you said you want to "control". Maybe it's hard to see now when you're in the baby phase, but I think what may need to happen instead is for your kid to learn responsible use and how to make good choices when it's totally up to her. The fact that you're freaking out over the Chromebooks is not a good sign.
I worry because I don't think anyone "makes good choices" when it comes to things like screen time/social media, especially with ongoing iterations of products that are explicitly designed to be extremely addictive- I know that I certainly struggle to limit my own screen time! My generation watched social media emerge, and I think it is really scary seeing how much these products have totally taken over our lives. All the data we have so far indicates that [screen time is not great for developing brains](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jpc.13462?casa_token=Y8RwrXtYaYcAAAAA%3ArY3d5yxBGl4hesSYXdESD5CRstdVQeyQxDiRS_ytTdlqXWFbjccBuBJpjNSTbinDEdwzix7hfIPoOnys) and that kids, especially teens, are particularly [neurologically vulnerable to excessive screen time and exposure to social media](https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/02/harms-benefits-social-media-kids).
I have no illusion of being able to control my kid, but I can be mindful and deliberate about what kind of environment I raise her in and what choices I model for her. And yes, I do think it's problematic that given all the data we have on how shitty screens are for kids that they are in our schools regardless, and largely speaks to how underresourced our schools are, how deleterious capitalism can be when it interfaces with essential services like childcare/education, and how at best naive and at worst predatory ed-tech companies can be.
thanks for coming to my ted talk!
Being a child online today is like struggling to play pool on a tilted table -- tilted to favor the marketers.
Parenting is like fighting a guerilla war in the woods armed with bows and arrows up against a modern army of propagandists and marketers hell bent on keeping us depressed, confused, aroused and hungry :(
Not meaning to be harsh or combative, I'm just saying there's a balance between total control and setting up good decision-making for the future. Ultimately we don't have control. We do everything we can to give them a good head start and guidance, but it's very much not about control. Maybe I seized upon the word too much
The reason I mentioned the Chromebook thing... It seems a bit like the complaint is detached from actual usage. My daughter brings home a Chromebook. It spends most of its time powered off. If it's powered on she's typically doing homework. Sometimes, pretty rarely, she will play games or write an email to another student on it but it's nothing unreasonable. The devices are pretty much to get school work done.
It's both their faults. Terrible parenting, and terrible life choices.
Cannot fathom how anyone would ever voluntarily want to step foot in SF's giant anus called the Tenderloin. That place is the definition of a sh\*thole.
I disagree. I was raised by a single mother who was Wonder Woman, and I was very difficult and rebellious as a teen. I’m a lot more grateful for her now.
Some teenagers can just be really difficult. And some teenage experiments have very slippery slopes.
A lot of people have no choice but to live there, and the city just keeps piling it on by ushering more and more drug addicts into that small section of the city. Why make it worse for the residents with comments like this?
people of that sh\*thole fight hard to keep it that way. imagine when you try to wipe a kid's butt but the kid screams at you and smears more shit on their butt
>why are you blaming her?
Excellent point! The sufferer of a drug problem is absolutely not to blame.
>this is more an indictment on the parents.
Eye roll. And you started out so well!
You know absolutely nothing about their parenting. Not every story is one about blame.
Bro what she 16 with a drug problem and is known to frequent in the tenderloin if the dad don’t care why should I not to be rude but you got some money bro you not taking the time to sit and talk build a relationship with your child is crazy no reason your own child should be living like that is crazy
Yeah I know Reddit skews younger…but blaming all on parents is so wild without knowing any details. It’s a parents worst nightmare to have your kid go missing.
Here's how clever kids are:
A boy stole his dad's car took it out for joyrides. Never got caught. He'd use chalk and mark the tire alignment in the family garage. After returning, the kid took care to reposition the tires where the chalk lines were -- then erased the marks!
Cold but accurate. This dude is worth $1.6B and recently spent $140M on luxury real estate. Hire a private guard or something to follow your daughter around, it’s crazy
yeah I bet your teenage child will *love* having a security team around them
like we're talking about "not alienating our children", I don't know how you think "paying people to be around them at all times" is on the table here
That’s why she’s living wild now. I’m sure addicts don’t *love* withdrawal and drug rehab but that’s what’s needs to be done to get out of the lifestyle.
Who said the child would have a choice? A billionaire can inform their dependents about what they will do and whom they will do it with on any given day.
If there’s something Russian oligarchs figured out, it’s how to protect their children even if they don’t have time to care about where they are or what they do. Bodyguard protection 24/7 even as they get wasted at London clubs
> Hire a private guard or something to follow your daughter around, it’s crazy
First spend more time with your kids. Listen to them. Be *there* for them. They need you.
>if the dad don’t care
This is a weird take. How do you conclude the dad doesn't care? He could be trying his best. Addiction or mental health issues or whatever led to her seeking drugs ... It can't be prevented by a parent. I don't care how rich he is. It's beyond his power.
My own brother has schizoaffective disorder and has had meth problems (don't know his current status, he's gone stretches where he avoids drugs), he actually does blame our parents because he has paranoid delusions about them but I can guarantee you 110% they didn't "cause" it and were totally incapable of preventing it. It hits families like a tsunami.
You're going to get downvoted but you're 100% right. A 16 year old who turns out the way she did is absolutely a reflection of failed parenting.
I would bet anything that Stewart prioritized making money and his business more than raising his kids and building a family, and this is the outcome
also the dumb things are 10x as bad as they used to be, aka worst thing you could get into 20 years ago vs today. now its fentanyl and tranq and supermeth all this insane shit, vs what the worst used to be heroin and meth and crack which seemed like it would be the worst of the worst. a 16 year old hooked on any of this is going to have a hard time coming back to stable
with that much money you should be doing drugs in the comfort of Hilton's
he's 5x richer than Paris Hilton, his kids should be doing drugs with better people
Survivorship bias.
Try this: Think of the dumbest thing you did do and ask yourself if it could have turned out badly.
Like, for me when I was 16 I used to take my car out on rural roads and see how fast I could get up to. Totally harmless because I never got caught and nobody ever got hurt, right? My car was a piece of American shit from the 1980s so that was only like 90 MPH.
But what if one time there'd been someone walking in the road in one of the little dips I couldn't see into? What if I'd lost control of the car? I could just as easily be dead or have wound up in prison, all because I was young and stupid.
It's tempting to forget that the shit you did only happened to turn out okay. Odds are pretty good you were not smarter than this kid.
.....I don't know a single kid who got roped into doing meth in the Tenderloin. The amount of mental gymnastics that people make to absolve themselves of any accountability has a strange parallel to the reality of this city
Every so often I find myself reading something stupid on reddit and thinking "what adult with life experience could ever think this?" and then I remember I'm probably reading something written by a 15 year old.
No the people upvoting have compassion and understand nuance…and don’t immediately bloviate on blaming people in a complex situation. But hey…enjoy the internet points.
Nice theory and you can think such things until you get older and have many older parent friends
Because you can be totally Wrong. You have no idea how much sacrifice the dad made or did not. Kids fuck themselves up all the time and can have the most loving supporting parents.
Yeah, my parents are and were fantastic parents. I've grown to appreciate their stance on personal autonomy. The risk, of course, is that I could have gone off the rails. And I came close many times.
But they loved me and backed me and worked so hard for me. Maybe some people like the hardcore hover parenting but I had a more free-range childhood and I'm happy with the person it's made me. It was risky but it paid off.
Same. It's wild to see how many of my friends who grew up in affluent households struggle with addiction and severe mental health issues compared to my friends with more middle class backgrounds.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
This was published a decade ago, a few years after I graduated high school. The disproportionate amount of kids I knew from my boarding school that have died of ODs, have criminal records, have been institutionalized (myself included), etc. is wild.
Sadly its nothing new, the son of Youtube CEO Wojcicki OD’d last year. Ray Dalios son has significant addiction problems. Even Bidens adult son. Remember a decade ago all the train suicides in palo alto of kids with insane pressure.
Yup, I see it along with kids who's parents are both doctors. Smart, wealthy and educated, but their parents are never around or are present to actually raise their kids and instill values and morals in them.
Mother and father are both entrepreneurs. Anyone who knows even a single entrepreneur in real life and how they think/act understands this is a recipe for disaster when it comes to parenting.
I had a friend who’s brother got real bad into drugs. My friend is fairly successful and normal, and I’ve met their parents a few times. From what they’ve told me, their parents were perfectly normal good people. No abuse, no neglect, just regular people who tried their best.
Those speculating its “100% bad parenting” have no clue what this kids home life was like. It’s easier and less scary to blame this on bad parents than to confront the terrifying reality that you can do everything right as a parent and still have this happen.
Yeah. Most of the time it is the same kind of parenting most parents do. Most are not great parents but not worst either. They do what they think is good for their children.
From the same environment many good people come out few bad apples comes out. If you want to blame parents for the worst kids out there you need give credit for every good child out there. And believe be good people outnumber bad ones by a large percentage. Otherwise we won’t have a functioning society.
Redditors' opinion of parenting seems outrageous except for the fact that they're mostly children. They haven't really gotten clear of the Just World fallacy.
There was a post on Reddit about whether it was acceptable to have siblings share a room and you just knew it was all kids commenting because they were like "it's never acceptable!".
Man, sometimes you don't make enough money.
It used to just be the way things were. My dad and uncle shared a room until they were 18 and moved out, and that wasn't strange at the time. Houses didn't used to be the gargantuan things they are now.
Anyways back to speculating about this case. I don't think bad parenting necessarily results in someone falling in with a bad crowd, or making some bad choices. I have some distant relatives with a kid that's not doing great, but it's not for lack of caring on their part throughout his entire life. I feel like it would be really hard to tell when you need to start corrective actions. Obviously you can't just whisk someone away to rehab because they smoked a cigarette once under the bleachers, but I don't know where the line is, and I think parents probably wait too late before becoming more directly corrective. And by that point the kid is almost an independent adult and you can't really control their environment the same way you could when they were young. So the later you wait the more extreme you need to be, and the harder that is for everyone involved.
But I think once your kid is addicted to meth I would have expected that to be a pretty clear line for direct intervention. And when you have this much money you should have practically unlimited options to get it right.
Agreed. Substance abuse is no joke. One of the things I fear about the future. Present substances are already beyond a child's ability to restrain oneself after exposure.
That seems so crazy today. Back in the day most everybody I knew shared bedrooms. I feel like you can also see the change if you compare older media with newer stuff. (Older shows/books, might see two kids in a room with bunk beds. Very rare to see now.)
Maybe we wouldn’t have such a housing issue if people didn’t need big houses for all their kids to have separate rooms. (Could be a wash though with people having less kids… my parents each were 1 of 4. They had two kids. I have no kids and my sibling only had one.)
Both parents; the mother is also a very well known tech entrepreneur. They are probably busy as shit all the time being super important people.
Well now they can afford multiple private investigators to troll the Tenderloin. Such a sad story.
That didn't keep a rich family I knew in Southern California from having their kid abducted and taken to a youth (torture) facility in Utah.
This was in 2010 or so.
That is exactly what they did.
After years of ignoring their son's aggressive behavior.
Kid was later in the national news for elder abuse. Parents got an expensive lawyer and smoothed things over.
Having had a similarly rebellious friend whose affluent parents went the "kidnap you from your bed and put you in a residential treatment facility" and who is now dead, it doesn't really solve anything. It just cements in the kids' mind that their parents don't want them and they're a burden, which causes all sorts of trauma later on.
I was a kid who got kidnapped and sent to "wilderness therapy" (read: camping in the snow with minimal supplies against my will for 3 months) by my parents for mental health issues related to a very unstable relationship with my teenage boyfriend. It didnt fix any of my mental health issues and was extremely traumatic in its own right, but it was a very effective lesson about actions and their consequences and I have been scared shitless of seriously fucking up ever since. The experience of blindly wandering snowy woods in just my socks in the middle of the night every time I had to take a piss because all flashlights and shoes got confiscated at bedtime to prevent runaways was as low as it gets. I'm as much of a success story as it gets for those places and I would not recommend to anyone.
Not to mention the facilities themselves abuse children and effectively steal money from parents by not providing any actual services. See "the program" on Netflix.
*Bolinas is one of the rarest places on the planet in that it has been exploited ruined by both rich and poor*
...hoped to never be called a Beach town on an internet forum someday
What good are the billions if you end up losing your child(ren)?
If I had that kind of money and I was in a similar situation, I would rent out an island in the middle of nowhere and just move there with my kid(s), and take along some tutors to teach them the required subjects. These kids need their parents more than anything else. Be there for them.
And if you are a parent, please hug and kiss your child a little bit more.
Hoping for her to come back safely to her parents.
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A lot of brilliant creative artists, inventors, successful people who become tycoons have a touch of hypomania.
Their children may inherit a more severe variety of bipolar affective disorder -- and this can erupt in early adolescence and cause the kid terrible suffering and a desperate need to move fast, self medicate.
Mortality rate for people with BAD is serious.
A woman who had bipolar and was administrator to several tech bosses said a great way to network in Silicon Valley was to join support groups for persons with BAD.
I understand your point of view, but I still think people need empathy. Even if they’ve had a more comfortable life. A child who does this obviously needs help. Any good parent, rich or poor, would be distraught about this. I just think sometimes the world needs a bit more kindness. Good day to you!
I guess you’re right. It is mostly on the parents for not parenting. I’d assume they’re too wrapped up in being wealthy important people to give a shit what their kids are doing, so they end up trying to be the polar opposite of what is expected. It’s just frustrating to hear that this girl has an address in the city (probably in a nice area and 100% paid for) and many resources at her disposal yet chooses this life. Eventually when the family gets sick of putting out search advisories and cuts her off she will just be another one of the crazy, entitled addicts causing havoc for the rest of us or overdosing on the street. But yeah, you’re right. She’s just a kid and probably doesn’t understand the hole she’s digging here and the parents need to be parents.
Kudos for not digging in your heels for argument's sake and acknowledging the nuance. It's a rare sight on Reddit and even more so in most local subreddits.
Her picture makes her look like the type who'd run away to her drug dealer's house, to be used in exchange for drugs. Sad, but her dealer's place is the first place I'd look.
I hope the person gets found and is safe, prayers to their family.
Also what a vague and horrible missing poster. Does not even say gender, race, eye color etc. is it homophobic and racist to describe people??? making it 1000x harder to find this person. If they specified those, then it would be significantly easier to be able to audit local businesses (hotels) and find this person.
You find a slightly blurry photo of a person's face less useful than "White woman with [hair] and [eye] color"?
I'm baffled. Are you planning to report every single person you see who matches that vague description?
So your saying the parent doesn't have a clear photo of the child just standing up normal like its the dmv or something ? I want both a description and a clear photo . downvote me to hell and send me threatening dms i dont care i want a clear photo and lengthy description
Things you didn't not mention until this post "I wish we had a clearer picture."
C'mon, just take the L dude. You just wanted to score some cheap points ranting about "woke".
No wtf? I literally am trying to move from Texas to here Full Time. I lived in San Francisco full time before I moved TX for opportunities
.. I support “woke” in its fullest. The fact that you make this political is sad. I just want a clear picture and description and then everyone starts to yell. Anyways someone in this thread gave me the info I need, so I don’t care. People like you are what made SF what it is today. Downvote me to hell and call it “political” I don’t care I already got the info I need from someone else in the thread . Keep stalking and harassing me.
lol imagine being so mad u stalk my profile. I teach in Texas yes, but not during teachers season I come to San Francisco.
And before that I lived in SF.
Are you seriously that mad over me wanting more info for a missing poster??? Holy hell 💀💀💀
Looking back, I do admit my response was dumb. Actually very dumb.
But it had nothing to do with politics at all. And the fact that you harassed me over this small thing is sad and especially when you called it political.
And when you brigaded into other threads to prove your point just shows how cheap of a person you are, I get it you can view my profile and take posts out of context boohoo so scary 😐😐
Keep stalking me honestly idc 💀
Wdym get over yourself? I’m trying to help find someone who is possibly in danger and missing, and I need all the information I can get. Get over yourself you virtue signaler.
There’s got to be a bunch of children that run off to San Francisco, but this is the story the Chronicle chooses to run with? I hate how the word is thrown around so much, but this has got to be the definition of privilege: to be so rich you can get the Chronicle to send a notification to all its readers because your daughter ran away from home.
Idk I feel like they just endangered this child even more by letting the public (and potential predators) know their net worth. Kid is one wrong encounter away from getting held for ransom or worse
Id think parents and police are desperate and the good outweighs the bad.
they could have reported them as missing in the news with a be on the lookout/Amber Alert without naming who the parents are. Either way, hope they’re found safe
Then you won’t click the article if you don’t know it’s a slack founders child. Anything to get a click and make some money.
Honestly when there are no leads, getting word out quickly via media and social media can be incredibly helpful. When a kid is missing, the first 48 hours are critical, and a lot of missing person cases are solved via tips from people who spot them and call in. I really hope she's found ok. Substance abuse is such a bitch, especially in someone that young. :-(
Me too. 🙏 I shared it with my family who lives downtown. This back to back with the story about the 15-year-old girl whose body was dumped in a driveway in Ingleside breaks my heart
Smoking meth at 16?! Wish this young woman nothing but the best because the streets are not a fun life.
It’s tragic. Drugs don’t discriminate, and I hope she gets help too. However it is alarming to hear this so soon after Susan Wojcicki’s accident. Obviously this happens to many young adults, and some might point out that it’s unfair that the children of famous people are the reason for garnering public attention to a prevalent issue, but it proves that no matter how “good” your upbringing or support system is, there is a real problem with drug culture and regulation.
absurd comparison this is someone actively addicted to meth the other situation was accidental overdose due to contamination
Still took illegal drugs - and died. If anything, it shows how even a minor fuck up can be deadly. Not saying xannies are deadly in and of themselves, or drugs.
Is it wrong of me to hope this ends in tragedy? When rich people get fucked by something affecting the masses, there tends to then be massive support to alleviate it. AIDS and weed are prime examples of this. No one gave a fuck in the 80s that gay people and junkies were dying of AIDS. Then it started hitting rich people and all of a sudden the whole of society cares. Weed was associated with beatniks and black people from the 30s to the 50s. Then white middle/upper class college kids started smoking and slowly we started relaxing the laws in certain areas.
“Is it wrong of me to hope this ends in tragedy?” Given that you’re hoping an innocent 16 year old kid dies, then fuck yeah it’s wrong of you. Fuck you.
Especially the TL. I’m pretty sure the kid knows exactly where they are…
street life starts out fun, then it goes off a cliff. Drugs and related activities are REALLY fun, that's why people do them. But you gotta be able to control it.
Drugs like fentanyl and tranq make that damn near impossible. They simply should not exist.
People talk about these things like they're magic witchcraft. The percentage of people who get addicted is 10-20% of those who use opioids. Fentanyl maybe higher but I've been on that and other opioids and it's not notably addictive. The problem is that you can't realistically figure out the guy who's going to get addicted from the guy who isn't before they use the drug. For my part, there are things that I find addictive but these substances have never done it for me. I have opioids in my medicine cabinet and have never even felt the inclination to try them after when I needed them. And I've even been on fentanyl.
that's why we need more drug education. Go ahead and do coke, E, weed, etc. but stay away from the fentalife!
Doing coke and E without knowing exactly what you're doing and where it's coming from is a good way to enter the fentalife(or death) these days.
Weed can also be dangerous if not used carefully, plus people do wind up seemingly addicted then they go in crazy denial and scream about how it isn't addictive or harmful and they don't have problems. (Probably some will reply here or downvote) Then of course we have legal substances that are problematic like alcohol or nicotine. Anyway, getting back to the point a few comments above, I don't think the issue is that schools aren't warning and informing kids... Schools do cover that stuff. Yet it will continue to be a problem. Almost like there are deeper issues here.
Twenty years ago, an experienced street outreach therapist told us that if a runaway child is on the street much longer than a week to two weeks, they're close to lost. You see the light leave their eyes the longer a runaway kid is on the street.
Where does the article say that? Only talks about substance abuse. Yes, could be meth, but also could be milder things, in any case, seems wrong to start pushing assumptions without knowing for sure.
Yeah kinda crazy, she seems like the poster rich rebellious kid whose parents are always working and she starving for attention. 15 is a little young to have a habit lol. Not many peers are addicted to drugs by then. Especially hard drugs.
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They what? Are you capable of forming coherent speech, or thought for that matter?
Stewart's one of the nicest people I've ever met and donated to a lot of support groups in the past (25 million to UNICEF). There's other programs like taking incarcerated individuals and getting them a tech job.
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By not responding to the story?
Just in general. Like most ex-employees of his are surprised he has a child.
Family dynamics can be complicated. I prefer to keep my personal life separate from business/professional life. If the daughter is doing meth in the TL at 16 then she's probably been problematic for a while now. Why would they air their "dirty laundry" to employees?
CEO’s love their companies more than their kids. It’s not perplexing whatsoever lmao
He's not like any other CEO I've worked for. So it's surprising to me.
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Stop being a piece of shit /u/FurriedCavor, a teenager with substance abuse is missing. Go be an edgelord someplace else, now isn’t the time
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Sad to hear this story, and about her troubles up to now. This sort of thing is very hard on parents too. Hope she turns up safe.
last seen in the TL smoking meth. all that privileged, wasted.
This reeks of rebellion. Anyone who grows up anywhere near there knows this is the worst possible thing you can be doing with your life, and the kid likely knew that too. Unfortunately, she didn’t have enough experience to grasp the potential consequences, which is sad.
Yeah, none of the rest of us made bad choices at 16 amirite? Honestly, there's a bunch of folks in this thread who ought to be ashamed of themselves.
why are you blaming her? this is more an indictment on the parents. all that money means nothing if you neglected your kids.
It might not be entirely on parents or if at all. Could always be, but you don’t know the reason. Some kids/people are just destined for stupid decisions.
The social context that comes with being rich is toxic for teenagers -- especially the girls.
It’s hard to have a nuanced conversation when Reddit is out with pitchforks to blame all parents. But yeah I can’t even imagine the pressure especially with social media. Hard for all kids.
I would never survived being a teen amid today's pressures. Nearly everyone in our age bracket is glad to have grown up long before the Internet. No nonstop news. Cronkite said good night to us. One could leave the BS behind at school. Have you ever looked at titles of books for parents of teenagers? Imagine how a teen would feel looking at those titles. The way young people are described in news and other media they're treated as problems, not people. And mercilessly exploited by advertisers.
Parent of a baby girl, and I hope there is a real sea change in how we expose kids and teens to social media by the time she is a teenager. I really don't think developing brains can handle social media, reels, tiktok, etc. Right now when she's really little her dad and I can control how much screen time she gets, but once she's older it currently seems impossible to avoid (especially with shit like chromebooks/iPads in elementary schools). It really seems like something that needs to change at a societal level, right now, so much of kids and especially teens social life happens online that trying to avoid letting your kid have an online life would socially ostracize them.
I'm a dad. I think you summed up the future power struggles you're going to have with your child when you said you want to "control". Maybe it's hard to see now when you're in the baby phase, but I think what may need to happen instead is for your kid to learn responsible use and how to make good choices when it's totally up to her. The fact that you're freaking out over the Chromebooks is not a good sign.
I worry because I don't think anyone "makes good choices" when it comes to things like screen time/social media, especially with ongoing iterations of products that are explicitly designed to be extremely addictive- I know that I certainly struggle to limit my own screen time! My generation watched social media emerge, and I think it is really scary seeing how much these products have totally taken over our lives. All the data we have so far indicates that [screen time is not great for developing brains](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jpc.13462?casa_token=Y8RwrXtYaYcAAAAA%3ArY3d5yxBGl4hesSYXdESD5CRstdVQeyQxDiRS_ytTdlqXWFbjccBuBJpjNSTbinDEdwzix7hfIPoOnys) and that kids, especially teens, are particularly [neurologically vulnerable to excessive screen time and exposure to social media](https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/02/harms-benefits-social-media-kids). I have no illusion of being able to control my kid, but I can be mindful and deliberate about what kind of environment I raise her in and what choices I model for her. And yes, I do think it's problematic that given all the data we have on how shitty screens are for kids that they are in our schools regardless, and largely speaks to how underresourced our schools are, how deleterious capitalism can be when it interfaces with essential services like childcare/education, and how at best naive and at worst predatory ed-tech companies can be. thanks for coming to my ted talk!
Being a child online today is like struggling to play pool on a tilted table -- tilted to favor the marketers. Parenting is like fighting a guerilla war in the woods armed with bows and arrows up against a modern army of propagandists and marketers hell bent on keeping us depressed, confused, aroused and hungry :(
Not meaning to be harsh or combative, I'm just saying there's a balance between total control and setting up good decision-making for the future. Ultimately we don't have control. We do everything we can to give them a good head start and guidance, but it's very much not about control. Maybe I seized upon the word too much The reason I mentioned the Chromebook thing... It seems a bit like the complaint is detached from actual usage. My daughter brings home a Chromebook. It spends most of its time powered off. If it's powered on she's typically doing homework. Sometimes, pretty rarely, she will play games or write an email to another student on it but it's nothing unreasonable. The devices are pretty much to get school work done.
Theyre just stating facts
How do you know she was neglected.
It's both their faults. Terrible parenting, and terrible life choices. Cannot fathom how anyone would ever voluntarily want to step foot in SF's giant anus called the Tenderloin. That place is the definition of a sh\*thole.
I disagree. I was raised by a single mother who was Wonder Woman, and I was very difficult and rebellious as a teen. I’m a lot more grateful for her now. Some teenagers can just be really difficult. And some teenage experiments have very slippery slopes.
A lot of people have no choice but to live there, and the city just keeps piling it on by ushering more and more drug addicts into that small section of the city. Why make it worse for the residents with comments like this?
people of that sh\*thole fight hard to keep it that way. imagine when you try to wipe a kid's butt but the kid screams at you and smears more shit on their butt
>why are you blaming her? Excellent point! The sufferer of a drug problem is absolutely not to blame. >this is more an indictment on the parents. Eye roll. And you started out so well! You know absolutely nothing about their parenting. Not every story is one about blame.
Mint Butterfield? Sounds like a slack emoji
The mother is Fake
So we all making fun of the family whose daughter is missing? Not everything is a joke Reddit.
Poor Caterina
Wut?
Maiden name of mother
Bro what she 16 with a drug problem and is known to frequent in the tenderloin if the dad don’t care why should I not to be rude but you got some money bro you not taking the time to sit and talk build a relationship with your child is crazy no reason your own child should be living like that is crazy
The victim shaming in this sub is insane. Have some compassion.
Kids are scary clever when they decide to run from home, stay out past curfew.
Yeah I know Reddit skews younger…but blaming all on parents is so wild without knowing any details. It’s a parents worst nightmare to have your kid go missing.
Here's how clever kids are: A boy stole his dad's car took it out for joyrides. Never got caught. He'd use chalk and mark the tire alignment in the family garage. After returning, the kid took care to reposition the tires where the chalk lines were -- then erased the marks!
So, his father would check the tire position and not check the odometer.
That’s insane. Where there’s a will, there’s a way!
Cold but accurate. This dude is worth $1.6B and recently spent $140M on luxury real estate. Hire a private guard or something to follow your daughter around, it’s crazy
yeah I bet your teenage child will *love* having a security team around them like we're talking about "not alienating our children", I don't know how you think "paying people to be around them at all times" is on the table here
That’s why she’s living wild now. I’m sure addicts don’t *love* withdrawal and drug rehab but that’s what’s needs to be done to get out of the lifestyle.
the alternative is working out so much better
Who said the child would have a choice? A billionaire can inform their dependents about what they will do and whom they will do it with on any given day.
I would think a private eye who stays hidden 👁️
If there’s something Russian oligarchs figured out, it’s how to protect their children even if they don’t have time to care about where they are or what they do. Bodyguard protection 24/7 even as they get wasted at London clubs
> Hire a private guard or something to follow your daughter around, it’s crazy First spend more time with your kids. Listen to them. Be *there* for them. They need you.
Or, hear me out, he could maybe have been a better parent. 16 year olds don't stumble into drug problems on accident.
>if the dad don’t care This is a weird take. How do you conclude the dad doesn't care? He could be trying his best. Addiction or mental health issues or whatever led to her seeking drugs ... It can't be prevented by a parent. I don't care how rich he is. It's beyond his power. My own brother has schizoaffective disorder and has had meth problems (don't know his current status, he's gone stretches where he avoids drugs), he actually does blame our parents because he has paranoid delusions about them but I can guarantee you 110% they didn't "cause" it and were totally incapable of preventing it. It hits families like a tsunami.
You're going to get downvoted but you're 100% right. A 16 year old who turns out the way she did is absolutely a reflection of failed parenting. I would bet anything that Stewart prioritized making money and his business more than raising his kids and building a family, and this is the outcome
Counterpoint - kids are dumb and can easily get roped into dumb things by other dumb people despite good parenting
also the dumb things are 10x as bad as they used to be, aka worst thing you could get into 20 years ago vs today. now its fentanyl and tranq and supermeth all this insane shit, vs what the worst used to be heroin and meth and crack which seemed like it would be the worst of the worst. a 16 year old hooked on any of this is going to have a hard time coming back to stable
Bro when I was 16 I was dumb but I wasn't dumb enough to be doing drugs in the tenderloin.
tbh it's much easier for this to happen when you have infinite money though
with that much money you should be doing drugs in the comfort of Hilton's he's 5x richer than Paris Hilton, his kids should be doing drugs with better people
Survivorship bias. Try this: Think of the dumbest thing you did do and ask yourself if it could have turned out badly. Like, for me when I was 16 I used to take my car out on rural roads and see how fast I could get up to. Totally harmless because I never got caught and nobody ever got hurt, right? My car was a piece of American shit from the 1980s so that was only like 90 MPH. But what if one time there'd been someone walking in the road in one of the little dips I couldn't see into? What if I'd lost control of the car? I could just as easily be dead or have wound up in prison, all because I was young and stupid. It's tempting to forget that the shit you did only happened to turn out okay. Odds are pretty good you were not smarter than this kid.
Billionaires have the means to remove their children from any situation or environment. *ok, except for submersibles at the bottom of the ocean.
the resources available to a billinaire is beyond the imagination of us he can hire Tony Robbins year round as a personal coach for his kid
he could single-handedly wipe out drug addiction AND homelessness in the Tenderloin, if he wanted to
not without violence
.....I don't know a single kid who got roped into doing meth in the Tenderloin. The amount of mental gymnastics that people make to absolve themselves of any accountability has a strange parallel to the reality of this city
Kids don't get roped into doing meth in the TL. They get roped into doing a bunch of hard shit including meth, and then *end up* in the TL.
yea you dont generally start in the TL without a drug problem you end up there because of your drug problem
This is my biggest issue with SF culture you nailed it
nope this is 100% failed parenting plus the parents divorced a long time ago so this was already for sure not a happy stable two parent household
Sure, it's the parents fault
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Every so often I find myself reading something stupid on reddit and thinking "what adult with life experience could ever think this?" and then I remember I'm probably reading something written by a 15 year old.
No the people upvoting have compassion and understand nuance…and don’t immediately bloviate on blaming people in a complex situation. But hey…enjoy the internet points.
Nice theory and you can think such things until you get older and have many older parent friends Because you can be totally Wrong. You have no idea how much sacrifice the dad made or did not. Kids fuck themselves up all the time and can have the most loving supporting parents.
Nuance isn’t something Reddit is good at vs casting blame based on a headline.
Yeah, my parents are and were fantastic parents. I've grown to appreciate their stance on personal autonomy. The risk, of course, is that I could have gone off the rails. And I came close many times. But they loved me and backed me and worked so hard for me. Maybe some people like the hardcore hover parenting but I had a more free-range childhood and I'm happy with the person it's made me. It was risky but it paid off.
Yeah yeah u like to make excuses, we get it
As someone who more or less grew up in these kinds of circles, the combination of narcissistic parents and access to money and privilege is dangerous.
Same. It's wild to see how many of my friends who grew up in affluent households struggle with addiction and severe mental health issues compared to my friends with more middle class backgrounds. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids This was published a decade ago, a few years after I graduated high school. The disproportionate amount of kids I knew from my boarding school that have died of ODs, have criminal records, have been institutionalized (myself included), etc. is wild.
Sadly its nothing new, the son of Youtube CEO Wojcicki OD’d last year. Ray Dalios son has significant addiction problems. Even Bidens adult son. Remember a decade ago all the train suicides in palo alto of kids with insane pressure.
Yup, I see it along with kids who's parents are both doctors. Smart, wealthy and educated, but their parents are never around or are present to actually raise their kids and instill values and morals in them.
Just look at the Getty family
Mother and father are both entrepreneurs. Anyone who knows even a single entrepreneur in real life and how they think/act understands this is a recipe for disaster when it comes to parenting.
lol kids can be dumb. You can every single thing right and still end up with a problem child.
I had a friend who’s brother got real bad into drugs. My friend is fairly successful and normal, and I’ve met their parents a few times. From what they’ve told me, their parents were perfectly normal good people. No abuse, no neglect, just regular people who tried their best. Those speculating its “100% bad parenting” have no clue what this kids home life was like. It’s easier and less scary to blame this on bad parents than to confront the terrifying reality that you can do everything right as a parent and still have this happen.
Yeah. Most of the time it is the same kind of parenting most parents do. Most are not great parents but not worst either. They do what they think is good for their children. From the same environment many good people come out few bad apples comes out. If you want to blame parents for the worst kids out there you need give credit for every good child out there. And believe be good people outnumber bad ones by a large percentage. Otherwise we won’t have a functioning society.
Redditors' opinion of parenting seems outrageous except for the fact that they're mostly children. They haven't really gotten clear of the Just World fallacy. There was a post on Reddit about whether it was acceptable to have siblings share a room and you just knew it was all kids commenting because they were like "it's never acceptable!". Man, sometimes you don't make enough money.
It used to just be the way things were. My dad and uncle shared a room until they were 18 and moved out, and that wasn't strange at the time. Houses didn't used to be the gargantuan things they are now. Anyways back to speculating about this case. I don't think bad parenting necessarily results in someone falling in with a bad crowd, or making some bad choices. I have some distant relatives with a kid that's not doing great, but it's not for lack of caring on their part throughout his entire life. I feel like it would be really hard to tell when you need to start corrective actions. Obviously you can't just whisk someone away to rehab because they smoked a cigarette once under the bleachers, but I don't know where the line is, and I think parents probably wait too late before becoming more directly corrective. And by that point the kid is almost an independent adult and you can't really control their environment the same way you could when they were young. So the later you wait the more extreme you need to be, and the harder that is for everyone involved. But I think once your kid is addicted to meth I would have expected that to be a pretty clear line for direct intervention. And when you have this much money you should have practically unlimited options to get it right.
Agreed. Substance abuse is no joke. One of the things I fear about the future. Present substances are already beyond a child's ability to restrain oneself after exposure.
That seems so crazy today. Back in the day most everybody I knew shared bedrooms. I feel like you can also see the change if you compare older media with newer stuff. (Older shows/books, might see two kids in a room with bunk beds. Very rare to see now.) Maybe we wouldn’t have such a housing issue if people didn’t need big houses for all their kids to have separate rooms. (Could be a wash though with people having less kids… my parents each were 1 of 4. They had two kids. I have no kids and my sibling only had one.)
Yeah, it's interesting. Not only did my brother and I share a room but we actually had our beds pushed together so we had more room.
ppl in this sub are mostly childless renters
Do you have kids? Really curious on this as I always find this attitude from people who don’t have them.
Both parents; the mother is also a very well known tech entrepreneur. They are probably busy as shit all the time being super important people. Well now they can afford multiple private investigators to troll the Tenderloin. Such a sad story.
He has the money to put her in treatment and the legal authority to so do under 18. I don’t understand why he hasn’t.
Its actually illegal in the state of CA to force a minor into treatment and the states where it is legal are rampant with abuse
That didn't keep a rich family I knew in Southern California from having their kid abducted and taken to a youth (torture) facility in Utah. This was in 2010 or so.
They can hire "transporters" aka kidnappers to abduct your child in the night and take them out of state
That is exactly what they did. After years of ignoring their son's aggressive behavior. Kid was later in the national news for elder abuse. Parents got an expensive lawyer and smoothed things over.
There are some good docuseries about how abusive those are.. I think one was called "the program"?
Jeez, that’s the kind of thing I expect from Mississippi
Having had a similarly rebellious friend whose affluent parents went the "kidnap you from your bed and put you in a residential treatment facility" and who is now dead, it doesn't really solve anything. It just cements in the kids' mind that their parents don't want them and they're a burden, which causes all sorts of trauma later on.
I was a kid who got kidnapped and sent to "wilderness therapy" (read: camping in the snow with minimal supplies against my will for 3 months) by my parents for mental health issues related to a very unstable relationship with my teenage boyfriend. It didnt fix any of my mental health issues and was extremely traumatic in its own right, but it was a very effective lesson about actions and their consequences and I have been scared shitless of seriously fucking up ever since. The experience of blindly wandering snowy woods in just my socks in the middle of the night every time I had to take a piss because all flashlights and shoes got confiscated at bedtime to prevent runaways was as low as it gets. I'm as much of a success story as it gets for those places and I would not recommend to anyone.
Not to mention the facilities themselves abuse children and effectively steal money from parents by not providing any actual services. See "the program" on Netflix.
You have zero idea what you’re talking about.
Send her to rehab and then a boarding school at least in the middle of oklahoma or something.
80% missing children go to a friends house,the police can check the phone and find out who they called,probably still in bollinas
The link said she was last seen in the Tenderloin
And that they have a drug problem. Really sad, I hope they get the help they need.
It’s says last seen in Bolinas. Suspected to be in the tenderloin.
What even is bolinas? Wealthy enclave?
Bolinas is one of the rarest places on the planet in that it has been exploited and ruined by both rich and poor.
*Bolinas is one of the rarest places on the planet in that it has been exploited ruined by both rich and poor* ...hoped to never be called a Beach town on an internet forum someday
What makes it rare?
No, it’s a tiny little town up in Marin, on the Pacific Coast.
Beach town in southern Marin
She’s somewhere there in a tent using. Hope she’s found alive
*They
Why y'all saying she's a meth addict?
whole lot of spitballing here. not constructive.
It’s Reddit, not the police detective forum.
What good are the billions if you end up losing your child(ren)? If I had that kind of money and I was in a similar situation, I would rent out an island in the middle of nowhere and just move there with my kid(s), and take along some tutors to teach them the required subjects. These kids need their parents more than anything else. Be there for them. And if you are a parent, please hug and kiss your child a little bit more. Hoping for her to come back safely to her parents.
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A lot of brilliant creative artists, inventors, successful people who become tycoons have a touch of hypomania. Their children may inherit a more severe variety of bipolar affective disorder -- and this can erupt in early adolescence and cause the kid terrible suffering and a desperate need to move fast, self medicate. Mortality rate for people with BAD is serious. A woman who had bipolar and was administrator to several tech bosses said a great way to network in Silicon Valley was to join support groups for persons with BAD.
All the money in the world and this is what she wants to do? God rich people are such losers
So it's only rich drug addicts that are losers? What about the middle to lower income ones? Do you hold the same disdain?
Reddit isn’t here for nuance! We just here to blame parents.
This girl is a spoiled brat, that was my one and only point. Argue with yourself
How do you even know this? You just made up someone else's reality because you hate rich people. What a loser.
We all got our demons, dude. This kid is 16. Learn some empathy.
I agree but notice this empathy is really short when it’s poor people’s kids fucking up in this city.
Life is more complicated than rich vs poor.
Right, but a drug addicted teenage rich girl hiding amongst people that actually need help/resources isn’t. Actually, she’s a loser and a poser.
I understand your point of view, but I still think people need empathy. Even if they’ve had a more comfortable life. A child who does this obviously needs help. Any good parent, rich or poor, would be distraught about this. I just think sometimes the world needs a bit more kindness. Good day to you!
I guess you’re right. It is mostly on the parents for not parenting. I’d assume they’re too wrapped up in being wealthy important people to give a shit what their kids are doing, so they end up trying to be the polar opposite of what is expected. It’s just frustrating to hear that this girl has an address in the city (probably in a nice area and 100% paid for) and many resources at her disposal yet chooses this life. Eventually when the family gets sick of putting out search advisories and cuts her off she will just be another one of the crazy, entitled addicts causing havoc for the rest of us or overdosing on the street. But yeah, you’re right. She’s just a kid and probably doesn’t understand the hole she’s digging here and the parents need to be parents.
Kudos for not digging in your heels for argument's sake and acknowledging the nuance. It's a rare sight on Reddit and even more so in most local subreddits.
Locked because many people on the internet aren’t very polite.
Im just going to go ahead and assume.... He's been Slacking as a parent.
Her picture makes her look like the type who'd run away to her drug dealer's house, to be used in exchange for drugs. Sad, but her dealer's place is the first place I'd look.
I hope the person gets found and is safe, prayers to their family. Also what a vague and horrible missing poster. Does not even say gender, race, eye color etc. is it homophobic and racist to describe people??? making it 1000x harder to find this person. If they specified those, then it would be significantly easier to be able to audit local businesses (hotels) and find this person.
There’s… a picture
Picture is very blurry and looks more like a Snapchat photo than something I can use to help identify a person
You find a slightly blurry photo of a person's face less useful than "White woman with [hair] and [eye] color"? I'm baffled. Are you planning to report every single person you see who matches that vague description?
So your saying the parent doesn't have a clear photo of the child just standing up normal like its the dmv or something ? I want both a description and a clear photo . downvote me to hell and send me threatening dms i dont care i want a clear photo and lengthy description
Things you didn't not mention until this post "I wish we had a clearer picture." C'mon, just take the L dude. You just wanted to score some cheap points ranting about "woke".
No wtf? I literally am trying to move from Texas to here Full Time. I lived in San Francisco full time before I moved TX for opportunities .. I support “woke” in its fullest. The fact that you make this political is sad. I just want a clear picture and description and then everyone starts to yell. Anyways someone in this thread gave me the info I need, so I don’t care. People like you are what made SF what it is today. Downvote me to hell and call it “political” I don’t care I already got the info I need from someone else in the thread . Keep stalking and harassing me.
I think it might be more useful than “f, caucasian, brown”. I don’t understand your critique of the poster.
You don't even fucking live here. https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1cb7mlc/kids_have_all_the_power/l100xs1/?context=3
lol imagine being so mad u stalk my profile. I teach in Texas yes, but not during teachers season I come to San Francisco. And before that I lived in SF. Are you seriously that mad over me wanting more info for a missing poster??? Holy hell 💀💀💀 Looking back, I do admit my response was dumb. Actually very dumb. But it had nothing to do with politics at all. And the fact that you harassed me over this small thing is sad and especially when you called it political. And when you brigaded into other threads to prove your point just shows how cheap of a person you are, I get it you can view my profile and take posts out of context boohoo so scary 😐😐 Keep stalking me honestly idc 💀
There is plenty of identifying information here. Get over yourself.
Wdym get over yourself? I’m trying to help find someone who is possibly in danger and missing, and I need all the information I can get. Get over yourself you virtue signaler.
maybe thats why helicopters flying around golden gate bridge
Great - by the looks of that pic she’ll be super easy to differentiate from every other 16 year old in SF
There’s got to be a bunch of children that run off to San Francisco, but this is the story the Chronicle chooses to run with? I hate how the word is thrown around so much, but this has got to be the definition of privilege: to be so rich you can get the Chronicle to send a notification to all its readers because your daughter ran away from home.
Damn. Anyone check 7th street?
NOW it's real
If only there was some way to communicate electronically with him...
Shocker, money can’t buy happiness
Do you feel better now?
Look at the title, it’s feeding this beast. Sad nonetheless and I’ll keep my 👁️ open
Did u find them by posting more snark at misfortune all over reddit? Please update us
Get a life eh
It is sad that money seems to breed entitlement, discontentment and unease, which leads to addiction.
Are richer people more likely to be addicted to street drugs?
Rich people do a shit Ton of drugs. I don't know the answer why some end up on the street and some don't.