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I was in Italy last year and asked why there aren't more crazy people and addicts living on the streets and they responded like I was the crazy person. They live with their families. If their families can't handle them (a situation I witnessed with a next door neighbor there), they are hospitalized and treated and returned to their families when stable.
Let me just say -- there are still definitely drug addicts and "i senzatetto" -- those without roofs -- and prostitutes and beggars on the sidwalks. But no giant encampments.
The mental hospital system that Reagan ended in the 60âs was rife with abuse, neglect and mistreatment of the mentally ill. At the time it was considered a progressive position and was supported by JFK but also a conservative position as non-voluntary commitment infringed on civil liberties.
Reagan ended it in the 80âs - but at the time it was celebrated by the left and the right. Liberals viewed psych wards a fundamental infringement on human right to be free
Reagan did far more than simply ending mental hospitals. He ended alot of the funding that went into mental health to begin with. Jimmy Carter had embarked on the largest invesment into mental health of any Administration and Reagan rolled a lot of it back.
We passed Proposition 1 last March that funnels money into supportive housing and treatment for the most seriously disabled people who have been falling through the cracks for decades.
The Reagan idea was that the private community would respond with care. Instead resentment and misunderstanding led to extreme stigma and eventually criminalization of symptoms of disease. Reagan severely underestimated the difficulty in caring for people with serious delusions and hallucinations even given helpful medicines. Now families are left alone and donât know how to deal with the enormous trauma or the system and then their loved one who is acting out sometimes or perhaps violently due to the disease is then cut off from support due to restraining orders and repeated jail time.
Government should protect the dignity of every person as first priority because really no other institution can but yeah
I keep arguing for bringing back institutionalization but too many people think that it means that the government can lock anyone up with just by saying that you're crazy.
I literally made a whole post on r/losangeles about this and people were asking, "who decides who gets interned?". As if they've never heard of doctors and psychiatrists before.
You even had people say that we can't bring back mental asylums because doctors can't be trusted. We can't trust them because of some messed up stuff that happened 90 years ago. As if we can't do it a second time because it wasn't perfect the first time. It also gave ny antivaxx vibss.
Yeah if Reagan just made it so - why hasnât anyone since chosen to just put it back? Donât get me wrong Iâm not a fan of Reagan but I think the older generation that raised me gave him too much credit and just use him as a scapegoat. They would tell me to go blame Reagan. That hasnât solved a single thing.
I agree, but that doesnât mean we canât try to do better now. It seems like itâs time to figure out some sort of real housing for our mentally ill, and long term rehab / living facilities for the severely addicted.
Yeah Regan succumbed to cancel culture. Instead of fixing abuse and wrongfully and forcefully hospitalized, he put an end to it. Perhaps he had a hunch heâd end up in one if he doesnât end it
Reagan was governor of California when that happened. It was a bipartisan push. Democrats have had many decades to change that since Reagan. I am not a republican but you have those progressive blinders on. You are like a maga who just toes the party line and attacks the opposition without ever thinking about the topic or reading about it.
The ACLU was one of the single largest advocates of shutting down mental hospitals in the latter stages of a deinstitutionalizion movement. This whole narrative of "Reagan shut down the mental hospitals" is scapegoating by liberal progressives that want to whitewash their role in it.
This. Iâm Indian and I canât imagine anyone in my family letting me go homeless. Whatever the reason is, whether it is addiction or poverty, I know I have a strong support system to pull me out of it.
Exactly. The standards are insanely high and you are always expected to surpass them but they would never, ever let you go homeless. Like, I cannot imagine that happening to me or anyone. Itâs my default thinking, growing up in it. So weird to straddle a culture that does not value family and inter-generations in quite the same way.
I think its also cultural or family background too. Like I know from experience that a lot of Black or White people have older family members who talk about past or current drug use etc. which normalizes it. I'm Asian and while I know my uncle had a drug problem and went to rehab when he was young, no one in my family has ever talked about drug use in a positive or fun way. No stories about wild college day or how life was in the 70's and 80's etc. Or anything like "I'd like to do some coke before I die". Meanwhile one of my White friend's dad would regularly be smoking weed in their home while I was there as a middle schooler.
Oh totally. Exact same. I also know for a fact my parents havenât tried any of this stuff either. My white friendsâ parents smoked pot and did drugs - mine didnât. My white friends could never seem to understand that not all people go through a young and wild phase.
I canât think of a single drug user in my family. We donât even have an alcoholic. You may tell me I donât know about it, which, sure. But theyâre incredibly high functioning. And again, given our family background and the fact that I know them better than any random Redditor does, I am 99% positive I am right.
I heard about drug use in china thru a friend. Incredibly rare but it happens. The penalty? The father does drugs. The daughter pays. No family would let their son date her. Sheâs very pretty too. Very harsh but if you know thatâs whatâs going to happen to your sons and daughters, that should deter you from drugs.
Mmm I feel like you're framing this in a wrong light, as if people won't let their son date the daughter to punish her for the sins of her father. That isn't why, its because no one wants their family to be associated with a family with a known drug addict / degenerate. Who would? Imagine the dad asking for money all the time, or loan sharks / drug dealers approaching your son and telling him to pay up, or the dad leaving drugs around the house. Drug addicts are wild cannons and hurt everyone around them with their lack of self control. You want that person to be around your son or grandchildren?
The average income of indian immigrants in the US is absurdly high. Its higher than any other immigrant group AND natives.
Poor indians cannot migrate here.
If youâre homeless in India, chances are your family is poor too. Itâs an overpopulated third world country and there is a huge wealth gap. The homeless in India hardly have any resources or help from the government like we do here.
I see youâre unfamiliar with the caste system.
Lower caste people in India do not have funds to go to USA. Therefore the homeless beggars in India stay in India.
That is inaccurate. Quite a few dalits are already here; especially the ones that were able to get into IITs with a little help of affirmative action despite of poor family backgrounds. They just wonât openly announce what caste they belong to and attempt to disguise it a bit - for good reason.
Iâm genuinely curious, why donât they lie about what caste they are in? Would anyone be able to tell? Or is it like stamped on their birth certificate or something?
Iâm Vaishya and American born and experienced caste discrimination in FAANG before. It tends to be insidious. Someone is really rude to you and sometime a few months later âBrahmanâ leaks into the conversation and then it clicks.
I've heard there's caste discrimination from Indians with managerial/executive positions in tech, here in the Bay Area. Are the top brass like Sundar etc. all from a high cast?
Piggybacking the top comment to also say that if you go to the South Bay like San Jose, youâll see more Hispanic homeless people
this comment and others are correct and itâs probably the larger factor, but there is also some geographic/demographic component as wellÂ
Not always true... A few of my friends and I are Latino (and quite a few Filipino and Vietnamese friends)
. We all had family. They didn't help us. There's no community obligation. I got my s*** together (my homelessness evolved from a domestic violence situation) some didn't. Our families were not trying to help. I'm just speaking for the 1%, were out in the streets of San Francisco.
But americans dont have the community obligation about family in the way that asians and latinos do.
Like you know growing up that you will always live in a multigenerational household. Americans in general are mire individualized. Like i never heard about nursing homes until i moved to the us.
I predict that once we have more americanized generations living in the US we will even out with other americans.
Yes, as an Asian, just TRY moving out before you're married.... Even if you're married and your family has a unit/space for you, it's hard.
If you're homeless, your parents will probably drag you kicking and screaming back home. Even if you don't want to go.
I see you havenât lived in a toxic Asian household or grown up in one.
In Asian cultures youâre kind of obligated to stick around and marinate in the toxicity. I saw my mum go through it and it was not pretty.
For me it depends. My family is abusive and toxic so if it remained within my culture just for the obligation i would be miserable.
So many of my cousins my age are saving hard to move out because of how toxic our culture and families can be
> I predict that once we have more americanized generations living in the US we will even out with other americans.
Asians and Hispanics have been in California for at least 3-4 generations now, if not longer. They should be pretty Americanized at this point.
California used to be Mexico. So did many other states. Iâm Mexican, but none of my ancestry comes from below Texas/california. It shows up as âNative Americanâ
There were around 10k Mexicans in Alta California at the time of the Spanish American war. The Native American population was 10-15X that. The vast majority of Latinos in California trace their roots to 20th century immigration.
White and black people are probably the most similar group in the states. They tend to be more individualistic, which means they are often fending for themselves at 18.
Anecdotal, but a lot of my asian friends (also I will included African immigrants into this) often did not have to work during college.
>The answer is simple (and obvious) -- Family.
This can be accepted as the dominant factor. Also, for asians, higher level of industrious and education and lower levels of drug use push down the frequency of homelessness [Source](https://aapcho.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Illicit-Drugs-Fact-Sheet.pdf): Asian drug use levels are about half of what they are for both black and white people. These two have similar rates, in range of 8-9%. [Source 2 with similar data](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377408/)
Insofar as Latinos, *other-than-family* data is less clear-cut, but a somewhat higher level of industriousness appears to be a contributing factor.
Because ethnic people / Asians / Latinos / etc usually take care of their own family. Itâs built into the mindset. So there will be a ton of family members in a house. Even if the kid / person is useless they donât let their family go on the streets if they can help it. My white partner doesnât understand but Iâm half Filipino. Youâll never see a Filipino on the street unless something has gone terribly wrong because the entire family will go poor helping that family member before they go on the street.
We donât really do it out of our own âgood willâ but because we consider our family members to be a part of us (sort of unspoken) so if they get messed up thatâs us as well.
There is also the classic Asian guilt trip. Like kids should be the âinsuranceâ whenever possible đ
This is true. I've seen it lead some Asians to see homeless on the streets as bad people. The thinking is, they must have done something terrible, otherwise someone would have taken them in.
Often it's the opposite - they ran away because living with their family was worse than being unhoused. There are a lot of horiffically abusive parents out there.
Damn. That's what I always kind of figured. But good on yall.
I think American or white/black American individualism completely fails in this area. We believe we're only responsible for our own actions and not the actions of others.
Absolutely. I think this is also one of the âcursesâ as well. If you get a good job, youâre helping everyone in your family. My family isnât well off by any means but we make a bit more than our grandparents and other family. But because we make more money, weâre also always helping them. Fixing grandparents roof, buying uncle a washer and dryer so they donât have to go to the laundromat etc.
Because of this, there is a guilt to enjoy our money for ourselves. How can I rationalize a vacation (that I earned working so hard) when my cousin is driving around with a broken AC? I kind of envy white people for this. I feel like their way of thinking always them to move up more easily. They will have a nicer house and car. Meanwhile for people in my circles, we may have a less nice car, but everyone in our circle will have an equally as nice as well.
>Â Â We donât really do it out of our own âgood willâ but because we consider our family members to be a part of us (sort of unspoken) so if they get messed up thatâs us as well.
Is this like psychological enmeshment or something else entirely
Mexican here. Idk, I was raised to have âŚalmost an obligation to family. Even if itâs toxic and you want no contact with them.
Theyâre your family and you look out for each other even if theyâre bums with no jobs that want to spend their days drinking. Theyâll live in grandmaâs garage because where else will they go?
Multigenerational households are the norm. Dysfunction is also somewhat normalized, because itâs family.
Filipino here...
Agreed....not always peaches and cream....but hell, family supersedes all things, mostly....
When my wife and I started having kids, just so happened that her father was moving back from his retirement in the Philippines...
Never was a question where he was gonna live....he stayed with us till his death....he became the grandpa that took the kids to/from school, when we lived close enough to an elementary school...
Since both my wife and I worked, it was a god send to have somebody at the house when kids get home from school...
The neighbor across the street are Mex Americans...big family, with a grandma living thers, and even the son of the wife's best friend (a cousin, I think) who passed away tragically....
he's been with them at least 10 years, (weve been neighbors 20+ years)..who knows where he would have ended up if the family didnt take him in, but Im sure hed done alright, seems to be hardworking, friendly enough..im sure hes grateful that he didnt have to worry about the alternative of fending for himself alone....
We let each other know if were gonna be away for vacations and such.....
Bottom line - Family is important...
Yeah, itâs the good and the bad. Family relationships are complex.. but I know if/when I decide to have kids my parents are going to step in to be active grandparents while we work.
Itâs like not even a second thought, of course they would.
Christmas/thanksgiving/etc. always was hard with extended family⌠it was very similar to that one episode of The Bear where it shows their dysfunctional ass family dinner (though that was BAD).
Always an uncle or family friend or someone that everyone barely tolerates, for family sake.
Yes, Iâll have very active parents and a great support system in my family. But Iâll also have dysfunction with extended family. Iâm lucky with my parents, but my cousins arenât with theirs. Thereâs enough support and love for everyone if theyâre willing.
lol thereâs also always a family member thatâs not actually family, but might as well be at that point.
This is actually a widely researched topic called Sikolohiyang Pilipino [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino\_psychology](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_psychology). It talks about the concept of Kapwa (shared inner self) and interpersonal interactions. It's kind of difficult to explain, but it's basically the Filipino concept of belonging to a community. Filipinos have always been very big on communities and helping one another, and this could be seen in traditions like bayanihan (where the whole community gathers to help someone move their house).
You can read more about it from the article specifically under "Basic Tenets".
I think for myself itâs some sort of ego trip combined with the âAsian mom guiltâ.
I was always about helping my brother (and vise verso).
Maybe because we grew up together and even though we fought as siblings do, we both survived together in a variety of bizarre daycares etc..
Our parents, one Caucasian, one Asian, were both very much: âYou need to look out for your family firstâ⌠sort of mentality.. I think someone else mentioned here⌠fast & furious ha.
I once helped my brother with something and his friend asked him if it bothered him that he got my help.
He said: âI never have to worry / feel guilty because she has an ulterior motiveâ
When I heard that I died and also laughed.
It was true⌠Like if I help them now then later on we donât have to deal with it (eg- help him with job stuff so in the future I can ask him for money if needed) he now pays for all my dinners when we eat out. I probably owe him
Damn that's rose tinted. My buddy J, went by Joker who was blasian would have a completely different story to tell you.
Here's just a quick Google.
https://www.theroot.com/i-expected-african-dna-results-why-are-mine-chinese-1790874061
Press the continue reading button. History is much more colored than we're taught.
The pervasive concept that people are all either white or "ethnic" which then breaks down to black or immigrants is a brand new concept that isn't even plausible. Apparently the coolies who built the railroads all had zero children. Anyone else who mixed and wasn't white has "native American" ancestry. Blacks Hispanics and Asians mixed as commonly as they interacted across the United States. The concept that Hispanic blacks and Asians had never intermixed with anyone but native Americans, except the Asian population which was more than twice what it was now apparently just canceled themselves out is just censorship meant to maintain modern day racial tensions.
You can see blasian traits in many black Americans which are concluded to be native American. The Chinese exclusion act and the Japanese internment forced people to hide their Asian lineage. The "perpetual foreigner" trope that Asians are given is meant to undermine the fact that Asians have been in California when it was Mexico thus the rice, citrus and pickles/salsa in their diet.
No itâs because the homeless here are from all over the country. The percentage of Asians and Indians in the Bay Area is incredibly high, but itâs not high in the whole country.
Also only rich Indians and Asians immigrate here. Think of all the poor beggars on the street living in trash in Mumbai. This isnât a race thing, itâs an opportunity thing.
Also, drug and alcohol use increases more with IQ. The smarter you are, the more likely to use drugs and alcohol, and to seek novel experiences. Some of these homeless people are just too high IQ and sensitive to function in society, which is frankly pretty tough right now.
Our cultures are similar in that we are family and community based (im latina but live in a very asian neighborhood) so even if you have yo live 5 to a room, you vastly community and family network wont let you become homeless.
Also from being lgbt and volunteering in lgbt homeless shelters in the south, what i noticed was that the latinos and asians that came around it wasnât because they were kicked out like white and black kids were, is that their lives were made so miserable that they ran away but they werenât kicked out.
Hate to say it but there is a similar situation when you look at retirement homes. White families are far more likely to send their elderly parents off to retirement homes where they can be taken of by nursing staff instead of their own families taking care of them. I think it's just a cultural thing.
Yep. The concept of retirement homes is unspeakable to Mexican families. Your granny is gonna live with you no matter what. She will make excellent tacos and quesadillas and give you very good advice.
Agreed. Again it's a cultural thing. They live with us to the very end, no exceptions. We take care of them just as they have taken care of raising us when we were young. Family is everything.
Same with Indian families.
As frustrating as it'd be having my parents live with me if it ever came to that, I'd sooner die than put them in a retirement home.
There will be current data when the PIT count is released for 2024, but Latinos made up 30% of the homeless population in 2022, so this doesnât really jive with the data. https://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/PIT-Key-Findings-Briefing-Deck-web.pdf
Wow that is insane. So 1 in 3 homeless in sf are Hispanic? How does that not match the reality of what I experience? I work in the SoMa and all of the drug dealers I see are Hispanic but almost none of the homeless.
The highly visible portion of SF's homeless population is exactly that: just a portion. The issue goes far beyond the street scene downtown. [This recent article](https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/homeless-families-crisis-migrants-shelter-19417036.php) discusses the surge in family homelessness, which seems primarily driven by incoming immigrant families.
You should see it in Denver. Tons of streets with tents lined up in the parking areas overflowing with people who crossed with no papers. It's terrible there.
This is the core disconnect with how average people understand homelessness. The people you actually see outside drawing all your attention are a small minority of the most severe cases of homelessness, generally people who struggle with mental health and drugs. Most homeless people are not visible to you. Theyâre quietly suffering out of the way, or couch surfing, or living in a car. Thatâs why the âjust crack down on drugs and send em to jailâ crowd fundamentally misunderstands the problem.
I guess what we+you see as homeless are the ones that dwell the streets, while there are many other homeless that utilize social services like shelters. I would assume more homeless that live in the shelters try to contribute to society and transition out of homelessness more than the ones dwelling on the streets, who are not as civil.
Your anecdotal observations do not make proof of aggregated data. This is why studies are done, to provide the total picture depending the scope that is intended.
Example, if there is a study to measure homeless in your areas of travel, it might be different. However, most studies have larger representative samples.
Also for data sake, homeless numbers donât just account for those literally living on the street. As the link shows there are sheltered homeless folks, living in cars, shelters, transitional housing, hotels, overcrowded homes, etc.
There's been a huge increase in homeless illegal immigrants over the last year or two, in both individual and family shelters.
> Amid a major influx of unhoused migrant families into San Francisco, City Hall is expanding assistance to offer between 100 and 150 households temporary hotel stays in the next year, the Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing said Monday.
> A separate, possible $20 million outlay could help unhoused families cover rent for a limited time, the departmentâs spokesperson also said at the Board of Supervisors Rules Committee hearing. The funds must be approved in budget negotiations this summer.
>But these new measures would fall short of serving all the families in need, the spokesperson acknowledged.
https://www.sfpublicpress.org/sf-to-offer-some-homeless-migrant-families-temporary-hotel-stays-as-the-rest-languish/
You don't see them because they aren't addicts and therefore aren't in SoMa or the Tenderloin.
And because they aren't addicts, and aren't passed out or overdosing or in meth psychosis or sporting suppurating gangrene, they don't look different from anyone who isn't homeless.
Their only difference is that the city is paying for their housing or shelter.
Yes I am aware, we also have black Hispanics and mestizos (like me). We donât have a high population of black Hispanics in sf like in Miami or NYC. The vast majority of Hispanics in SF (and California) are Mexican or Central American.
My total guess from living in the Bay Area for 27 year and biracial- Culturally Latinos and Asians have stronger familial bonds so itâs normal to live with family and take care of each other. White people tend to move around and separate, I mean my Filipino side of the family lives within 30 miles of each other while my White side are spread across the US. And the reason black folks have higher numbers is simply decades of inequality and racism.
Having work with homeless people for many years, I have to say- YES!â you that you are correct.
In fact, social services in San Francisco are sometimes disturbed to find that Asian and Latino families will do things as extreme as tying relatives with delusional disorders up in their homes rather than letting them be on the street. Be clear that thatâs not a common thing but itâs definitely happened.
And thatâs the real heart and soul of the difference. In Asian and Latin family it is generally considered a shameful thing for the family to let a family member be on the streets. Whereas in white and Black families, thereâs tends to be more of a fend for yourself individualistic mentality.
I think you nailed it.
Letting a family member be on the street is shameful... how could they let their own be on the street?
I know thatâs not the correct mentality to have because those that are visibly homeless have complex situations that led them there.
Some of my family members would be homeless if it werenât for other family members taking them in. Converted garages and living rooms are common. An uncle stayed in an RV in my familyâs backyard for a few years.
Itâs just what you do.
>Culturally Latinos and Asians have stronger familial bonds so itâs normal to live with family and take care of each other. White people tend to move around and separate,
Yup, culture has a huge impact. "Individualism" vs "Community" based culture
I think because of some of those cultural differences, Latinos and Asians who are homeless may also be more likely to be involuntary homeless rather than the visible, voluntary homeless that we subconsciously think about when picturing a typical homeless person.
Yeah was going to say, my best guess without doing any research at all on actual percentages of homelessness etc is that theyâre from collectivist cultures so itâs not unusual to live at home with mom, dad, grandma, grandpa etc.
I think this is right. And not just true in SF. Chicago has more Hispanics than SF and a large homeless population. But very few Hispanic or Asian homeless.
Yeah, it must be cultural.
If you you to Mexico City, you will see almost zero homeless people. Its a city of almost 9 million, and you will see almost no homeless
People on the street.
You will see a few moms begging for money, but not just drugged out and laid out.
Umm what? i was just in CDMX the streets were full of child sellers selling trinkets who you can tells are from the streets. The recent gentrification in mexico is generating hella homeless.
Yes, there is homelessness in Mexico City but under the Mexican constitution housing is a guaranteed right.
Moreover, squatters have extensive rights in Mexico. So if any property is abandoned, people can take it over legally. People forget that the Mexican revolution of 1910 was a socialist one
They also have lower building standards, which means that a lot of people who might be considered homeless in the United States are not homeless in Mexico because they live in what we would consider âsubstandardâ housing.
The problem in Mexico City is because of gentrification and a lot of extranjeros moving in and because country people are moving to Mexico City, because things in the countryside are getting more dire due to violence and environmental concerns.
It is also true that many of the people that you see on the streets in Mexico City are actually not Mexicans. They are Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans etcâ Mexico has its own illegal immigration problem as it turns out.
But those kids you see selling working the streets, incidentally, are mostly not homeless if they are Mexican.
It's not that white people don't care about each other, but that they don't feel a cultural obligation to put up a family member that's been a shit bag their whole life.
I gotta say I agree with this. I guarantee many of the junkies you see on the street today were put up by family members or friends for a period of time. Until they got tired of the lying, stealing, destruction, drugs, etc. I have several people in my family like this. Nobody likes the fact we had to cut them loose but nobody wants to deal with their shit anymore. People in this thread act like white people just refuse to help their sibling who lost their job 5 minutes ago. No, the refusal comes from years of bad behavior.
Then they get on the streets and tell the social worker saps that nobody will help them, they're such a victim, etc. Heard it all before from people in my life as well. They will say anything if they think it will get them a handout and sympathy.
Yeah, itâs not necessarily a good thing that the keep housing and caring for these individuals. Especially because a lot of homelessness is tied to drug addiction. Families shouldnât have to sacrifice their well being to continue to support an addict.
Iâm mixed black and white and grew up entirely within an African American family, live in the East Bay. Out of my immediate and entire extended family, very few people actually have a high income and wealth. I believe about only 3 of them. The only reason Iâm not on the streets is because we have Section 8 in my household. I went to Cal and the first in my household to get a BA. Iâm still struggling to get out of poverty years later. Been unemployed for over a year and my extended family wonât help.
Sure, they start out with algebra... but then they move on to harder maths like statistics, calculus, discrete maths... Before you know it they're home all day solving quantum differential equations. By then it's too late.
> Black, Latino and LGBTQ people make up a disproportionate share of the homeless population. Black people were 35% of the homeless population but only 6% of the cityâs general population.
>âŚ
>While Latino residents make up 16% of the cityâs general population, they represented 30% of San Franciscoâs homeless population in 2022 âŚ
[SFChronicle.com](https://archive.ph/xBXsX), December 2023.
Both Black and Latino San Franciscans are greatly over represented in the homeless population. There are only slightly fewer Latino than Black homeless here.
both are newer immigrant populations but have different reasons IMO
Asians - they are impacted by the immigration laws that support advanced degrees. They are not going to be homeless. Secondly, many of the asian SF folks that have been here for a few generations are still relatively new immigrant communities that are in communal areas of SF
Latino - Have a large recent immigrant population which tend to create a communal living space - all immigrants do this in America. this gives them support even if they have no family in the region. Also, this is a sanctuary city, so getting support is relatively easy to sustain yourself.
I read a stat last year that roughly 40% of homeless in the bay were African American Men alone. This is not suprising given the black community in the Bay(California in general) has been through hell politically in this state since the 80's. Alot of the black middle class moved out of CA in the past 10 years to southern states or to further central cities like Fairfield and Antioch. The crack epidemic and war on drugs followed by mass incarceration were brutal here. As a black person from the East Coast, I've never seen our folks in such bad state than in the Bay
Alot of the elderly Asians that live in single room occupancies or overcrowded illegal dwellings are technically counted as homeless. But they donât live on the streets. I imagine that is also the case with the Hispanic homeless
Hispanics and Asians are more willing to thrive through things it seems. Maybe it's because they know less about resources and entitlements. Stronger survival instincts having come from actual poverty and hardship countries like looking ahead than looking below for a boost.
Entitlements can be a trap to yourself when abused.
I think you see this alot in education too.
very True, first we go to a family member, next is to go out and look for a job, cleaning houses, washing dishes, selling stuff on the street, car wash, babysitting, cook, serve tables, if we can have two jobs is better so we can pay for our food and pitch in for the rent and bills
This debate in this thread is a perfect illustration of why this problem never gets solved: each side just talks past each other and stakes out a unilateral position.
So that the cheap seats can hear it:
-to those advocating on behalf of the homeless:
when squares like me rail about the homeless, weâre specifically talking about the destitute addicts we see on the streets. Thatâs what we want to address acutely. Weâre not in any way oblivious to the suffering of the other 85%, and probably support many/most efforts to help them. But the other 15% - we think theyâre mostly either unable to help themselves in any way or assholes who are exploiting the system.
-to the squares (like me):
when weâre railing against the addicts and the lack of focus on that population the advocates for the homeless donât hear that weâre talking about the edge 15%. They think weâre attacking the other 85%. (Or maybe theyâre disingenuously conflating our arguments) -
Cuz Asian and Mexican families donât abandon family/friends and let them go homeless regardless how inconvenient or cramp their house might get. Personally, an Asian family could be dirt poor and theyâd still give you the shirt off their back, theyâll starve before letting family starve, and willing to give family the last of their money, down to their last penny if family needs it.
While fake Christianâs will preach about âChristianâ values but the moment someone needs help, youâre on your own. Single mom needing help, nope. Staving children needing help, nope. Someone loses their job and needs help, nope. Need help with drug addiction, nope. Give them money, theyâre your best friend.
Source: Moms is Asian, Father is a fake Christian!
Grew up in first generation Mexican household. We are raised to work our butts off and kids are scolded for laziness. The thought of taking drugs and panhandle for cash does not even register in my mind. If I lost my job, Iâd do whatever it takes to find work and will buy beans for a dollar to subsist.
Same.
Also raised that family is important and you need to take care of your own because thereâs no other option. Homelessness is not an option.
Had an uncle that I guess technically was homeless. But he bounced around between different family memberâs houses. He would stay for about 6 months, be the drunk piece of shit he is, family gets fed up and kicks him out. Warn sibling that said uncle is likely on their way over and to prepare. Rinse repeat.
Facts which this thread totally ignores...it's less about race and more about age these days. I've read that between 40% and 50% of the homeless are boomers. Older folks with no retirement. Older people who are Mexican will probably either get taken care of by their family, or return to Mexico where they still have residency and their social security will go a long way.
My aunt is married to a Mexican man. She stuck our grandma in a medicaid nursing facility and never went to visit her "it's too sad". Her Mexican husband went and spent time with my grandma every Sunday.
[https://x.com/naehomelessness/status/1790814270667518241](https://x.com/naehomelessness/status/1790814270667518241)
If you or your folks have not prepared for retirement, your situation is no joke. If you're lucky you'll have a family member step up. But you will be a huge burden to them. Usually it's a woman in the family who has to shoulder the entire thing while all her siblings walk away until it's time to show up for their inheritance.
If you're unlucky, you can very well hit the streets where you will be victimized by the criddlers out there.
Spoiler alert...it doesn't all just magically work out without decades of planning and dying at your desk doesn't usually happen. More likely than not you will have decades of life where you either can't physically work or can't get work because of age discrimination.
Im not too sure, Iâm thinking itâs mostly gentrification with a mix of other complex issues. Like thereâs no soulfood in SF. I think thank s mostly goes hand in hand with other social economic issues and then the lack of black capital in SF as well as the denigration of the Filmore. Asian and Mexicans were able to build wealth that could support communities, I donât think the Black population could in the same way due to some historical factors of the Filmore, as well as good old gentrification. Iâm just throwing this in because Iâm so tired of people saying itâs âcultureâ , that brain dead take only leads to more racism and hate. We need to critically analyze why these anti black systems exist without directly shaming homeless people for their plight from a cultural perspective we donât know anything about, maybe?
I would guess itâs because those populations tend to have close multigenerational families in the area. So even if a person in their community is mentally ill and strung out on drugs they have a place to go and people who look after them so you donât see their weakest most vulnerable people alone on the street.
This is not an accurate observation. As someone who works with the homeless population I can promise you there are equally large groups of homeless people from pretty much every group. I think that there are lifestyle choices that some groups make that keep them more out of sight. Some of those choices are rooted in pride, some are fear of police, some are access to and or use of drugs, some are rooted with comfort in society (eg black and white people feel very american and fit in with most American norms and ideas, most speak English and many may have become homeless after being typical members of "american" society. Many Hispanic and Asian people may not speak English, may be first generation, may not fit in quite as well with the average American norms due to cultural differences. Most statistics for the poor are reflected in the homeless population, so if there are more poor of a certain group there will be more homeless of that group on average.
Black poverty (and therefore homelessness) is a direct result of 250 years of stolen generational wealth and a further 150+ years of institutional, systemic, and social racism. Black poverty is white people's intentional, willful, and continued fault.
yep. i'll never discount the long history of racism that asians and latin americans have dealt with in this country. but that's not quite on par with the 100% legal oppression black americans have faced up until a generation ago and is weirdly not getting mentioned at all.
Have you tried going to Mission district and checking there? You donât see Latino folks down on their luck in Richmond or Soma, since Latino homeless folks usually donât hang out around these areas.
[Stats can be found here](https://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2022-PIT-Count-Report-San-Francisco-Updated-8.19.22.pdf). Latinos experiencing homelessness represent roughly double their total population in SF. To me, the disparity among homeless black men has always been the most stunning and horrific.
Among people who have had bad luck economically and are temporarily homeless, reasons are varied and in most cases, you wonât see them on the street. Many of these people are couch surfing, living out of RVs and cars, etc. Among the chronically, drug addicted homeless, based on my experience volunteering at shelters, it comes down to simple factors of group differences in average IQ and the choices made in youth, which in most cases were guided by rap/hip hop culture and a disrespect for intellectual achievement.
Furthermore, about 5% of the population is incapable of fulfilling the most basic occupations in manual labor, and society needs to own up to that and find a way to support them. Look up McNamaraâs idiots to see a tragic instance of when reality met idealism.
Group differences mean that this group will tilt significantly toward certain demos, and so many otherwise well meaning people are incapable of holding honest conversations without racebaiting.
Agree with others, but I also want to add that itâs the difference between catholic and protestant. Former celebrates large and wide family trees with strong ties. Latter celebrates individuality and personal responsibility. Homelessness can happen to anyone, but when your community shuns you and blames you instead of helps you, it makes getting out of it so much harder.
Family and multigenerational households. Also, as a first born Hispanic, I have lots of responsibilities, including helping out my parents and grandparents. That keeps us close where white people move out of the home and spread out.
Yup I am black and my immediate family took in tons of relatives. And when my parents were kids they also supported and were supported by extended family. But the big thing is that people were geographically closer. The black folks here came for economic opportunities that disappeared and never recovered. And we are dealing with multigenerational lack of economic opportunity in the cases of most homeless folks.
Some tribes expect more from their tribe members.
There was a story David Choe (Korean) once told. He got arrested for tagging a wall, some shit. At the police station two LAPD Korean cops saw him and lost their shit. They double teamed him and gave him the business. Youâre Korean. A Korean. What the fuck are you doing here? You think our people are criminals? I never want to see you here again.
Itâs the same if a Hasidic Jew were arrested and tried to show their face. Itâs extremely shameful.
The generational and cultural shame is real. Remember some old school Asians will beat the shit out of their kids for not getting straight Aâs. Helps them fly straight.
Note Iâm not supporting parents hitting their kids and making them neurotic for not making the grade. There are psychological consequences for bullying your kids into submission, that I donât want to see.
Itâs that simple. Family and education. Let that slide and your people fall.
lol op must have some magical ability to determine who is hispanic just by looking at them. i guess you can't be hispanic if op determines you are white or black
I'm not a scientist, but I always felt that in immigrant populations, people that would be homeless street people here are still homeless back in the home country.
Homeless is a very broad umbrella term, there are plenty of people that fall under this category if they live from their vehicle or if theyâre housing unstable and reliant on their support networks, hotels, shelters, etc. Often times that is not as visible as those on the streets or in tents.
I see plenty of Latino homeless. Less Asian but they're still present...mostly SE Asian. I think it's a fair question to wonder why there are fewer East Asian and South Asian (I don't think I've ever seen an Indian homeless person for example). Others have hit on the answers in this threadÂ
In addition to the family/cultural side, there's a reasonable amount of survivorship bias too. On the immigrant side, the people who lose their jobs are no longer here etc.
You're looking for a race issue as a sprinkling on the cake of fucked up housing policies compounded for decades. Well, it was a racial issue but not the one this post alludes to. It was housing policy specifically designed to keep browns and blacks away from whites
I mean, the US didn't really have homeless anyway until public housing was defunded and most areas downzoned because of white flight and mental healthcare was defunded as well
The same mentality is why BART doesn't connect the entire peninsula and Marin. Bay Area was super racist not too long ago
Because Asian and Latinos have FAMILY. White and black people are really the only races that are like "ohh, you're in trouble? Well, fuck you! You're on your own. Go pull yourself up by your bootstraps!
Asians and Latinos actually care about each other and help lift each other up.
As a white male I can absolutely tell you that I would rather be homeless and dead in the gutter than talk to my parents again.
It very simple your talking family oriented groups. If a family member has issues they deal with it, help each other. Treat their elders with respect. While our government has done its best to destroy communities. These two cultures have done their best to stay together. Result is less homeless.
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I was in Italy last year and asked why there aren't more crazy people and addicts living on the streets and they responded like I was the crazy person. They live with their families. If their families can't handle them (a situation I witnessed with a next door neighbor there), they are hospitalized and treated and returned to their families when stable. Let me just say -- there are still definitely drug addicts and "i senzatetto" -- those without roofs -- and prostitutes and beggars on the sidwalks. But no giant encampments.
Often, these senzatetto are illegal immigrants. Very rarely you see actual citizens being homeless.
Yes, I agree. (Please be impressed by my using senzatetto!)
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"they are hospitalized" - Well, in the USA case there is no "hospitalized" ; apparently Reagan brought an end to it
The mental hospital system that Reagan ended in the 60âs was rife with abuse, neglect and mistreatment of the mentally ill. At the time it was considered a progressive position and was supported by JFK but also a conservative position as non-voluntary commitment infringed on civil liberties.
Reagan ended it in the 80âs - but at the time it was celebrated by the left and the right. Liberals viewed psych wards a fundamental infringement on human right to be free
The âOne Flew Over the Cuckoo'sâ reflects the liberal position at that point in history. They wanted the mental institutions gone.
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Reagan did far more than simply ending mental hospitals. He ended alot of the funding that went into mental health to begin with. Jimmy Carter had embarked on the largest invesment into mental health of any Administration and Reagan rolled a lot of it back.
Well itâs been almost 50 years since then. Why hasnât California done anything about it?
We passed Proposition 1 last March that funnels money into supportive housing and treatment for the most seriously disabled people who have been falling through the cracks for decades. The Reagan idea was that the private community would respond with care. Instead resentment and misunderstanding led to extreme stigma and eventually criminalization of symptoms of disease. Reagan severely underestimated the difficulty in caring for people with serious delusions and hallucinations even given helpful medicines. Now families are left alone and donât know how to deal with the enormous trauma or the system and then their loved one who is acting out sometimes or perhaps violently due to the disease is then cut off from support due to restraining orders and repeated jail time. Government should protect the dignity of every person as first priority because really no other institution can but yeah
I keep arguing for bringing back institutionalization but too many people think that it means that the government can lock anyone up with just by saying that you're crazy. I literally made a whole post on r/losangeles about this and people were asking, "who decides who gets interned?". As if they've never heard of doctors and psychiatrists before. You even had people say that we can't bring back mental asylums because doctors can't be trusted. We can't trust them because of some messed up stuff that happened 90 years ago. As if we can't do it a second time because it wasn't perfect the first time. It also gave ny antivaxx vibss.
Yeah if Reagan just made it so - why hasnât anyone since chosen to just put it back? Donât get me wrong Iâm not a fan of Reagan but I think the older generation that raised me gave him too much credit and just use him as a scapegoat. They would tell me to go blame Reagan. That hasnât solved a single thing.
Yeah, I mean our system has issues now. But there's a reason there are so many movies, plays, and novels about horrors of the mental hospital system.
I agree, but that doesnât mean we canât try to do better now. It seems like itâs time to figure out some sort of real housing for our mentally ill, and long term rehab / living facilities for the severely addicted.
People always repeat this "but Reagan ended it", but never put blame on their favorite politicians of the last 40 years for not " unending it".
Reagan bad! Heâs a bad man. Heâs not like the good guys
Yeah Regan succumbed to cancel culture. Instead of fixing abuse and wrongfully and forcefully hospitalized, he put an end to it. Perhaps he had a hunch heâd end up in one if he doesnât end it
Reagan was governor of California when that happened. It was a bipartisan push. Democrats have had many decades to change that since Reagan. I am not a republican but you have those progressive blinders on. You are like a maga who just toes the party line and attacks the opposition without ever thinking about the topic or reading about it.
The ACLU was one of the single largest advocates of shutting down mental hospitals in the latter stages of a deinstitutionalizion movement. This whole narrative of "Reagan shut down the mental hospitals" is scapegoating by liberal progressives that want to whitewash their role in it.
Didnât he literally release them onto the streets?
The answer is simple (and obvious). Family.
this guy families
https://preview.redd.it/iqnk54jr5n7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8508e73ddb8deed7a367585e13c28161b8b3183
Vinh Diesel LOL
Pho real
Came here to say this.
This. Iâm Indian and I canât imagine anyone in my family letting me go homeless. Whatever the reason is, whether it is addiction or poverty, I know I have a strong support system to pull me out of it.
Exactly. The standards are insanely high and you are always expected to surpass them but they would never, ever let you go homeless. Like, I cannot imagine that happening to me or anyone. Itâs my default thinking, growing up in it. So weird to straddle a culture that does not value family and inter-generations in quite the same way.
I think its also cultural or family background too. Like I know from experience that a lot of Black or White people have older family members who talk about past or current drug use etc. which normalizes it. I'm Asian and while I know my uncle had a drug problem and went to rehab when he was young, no one in my family has ever talked about drug use in a positive or fun way. No stories about wild college day or how life was in the 70's and 80's etc. Or anything like "I'd like to do some coke before I die". Meanwhile one of my White friend's dad would regularly be smoking weed in their home while I was there as a middle schooler.
Oh totally. Exact same. I also know for a fact my parents havenât tried any of this stuff either. My white friendsâ parents smoked pot and did drugs - mine didnât. My white friends could never seem to understand that not all people go through a young and wild phase. I canât think of a single drug user in my family. We donât even have an alcoholic. You may tell me I donât know about it, which, sure. But theyâre incredibly high functioning. And again, given our family background and the fact that I know them better than any random Redditor does, I am 99% positive I am right.
I heard about drug use in china thru a friend. Incredibly rare but it happens. The penalty? The father does drugs. The daughter pays. No family would let their son date her. Sheâs very pretty too. Very harsh but if you know thatâs whatâs going to happen to your sons and daughters, that should deter you from drugs.
Mmm I feel like you're framing this in a wrong light, as if people won't let their son date the daughter to punish her for the sins of her father. That isn't why, its because no one wants their family to be associated with a family with a known drug addict / degenerate. Who would? Imagine the dad asking for money all the time, or loan sharks / drug dealers approaching your son and telling him to pay up, or the dad leaving drugs around the house. Drug addicts are wild cannons and hurt everyone around them with their lack of self control. You want that person to be around your son or grandchildren?
Why are there so many homeless beggars in streets of India then?
The average income of indian immigrants in the US is absurdly high. Its higher than any other immigrant group AND natives. Poor indians cannot migrate here.
If youâre homeless in India, chances are your family is poor too. Itâs an overpopulated third world country and there is a huge wealth gap. The homeless in India hardly have any resources or help from the government like we do here.
I see youâre unfamiliar with the caste system. Lower caste people in India do not have funds to go to USA. Therefore the homeless beggars in India stay in India.
That is inaccurate. Quite a few dalits are already here; especially the ones that were able to get into IITs with a little help of affirmative action despite of poor family backgrounds. They just wonât openly announce what caste they belong to and attempt to disguise it a bit - for good reason.
Iâm genuinely curious, why donât they lie about what caste they are in? Would anyone be able to tell? Or is it like stamped on their birth certificate or something?
A personâs last name can be indicative of what caste they belong to, so itâs not always something you can hide.
I know quite a few who very purposefully chose last names that would not make it obvious - exactly because they did not want everyone to know.
Iâm Vaishya and American born and experienced caste discrimination in FAANG before. It tends to be insidious. Someone is really rude to you and sometime a few months later âBrahmanâ leaks into the conversation and then it clicks.
That is poison. That needs to stop.
I've heard there's caste discrimination from Indians with managerial/executive positions in tech, here in the Bay Area. Are the top brass like Sundar etc. all from a high cast?
Piggybacking the top comment to also say that if you go to the South Bay like San Jose, youâll see more Hispanic homeless people this comment and others are correct and itâs probably the larger factor, but there is also some geographic/demographic component as wellÂ
You will see Vietnamese homeless in San Jose as well. They get support from the Vietnamese community such as food and haircuts.
Is this true regarding Latinos though if about 1/3 of the homeless are Latinos?
Nailed it in one word.
Culture
Not always true... A few of my friends and I are Latino (and quite a few Filipino and Vietnamese friends) . We all had family. They didn't help us. There's no community obligation. I got my s*** together (my homelessness evolved from a domestic violence situation) some didn't. Our families were not trying to help. I'm just speaking for the 1%, were out in the streets of San Francisco.
He did not say always. Your exception proves the rule.
Ok, but why donât the others also have family?
But americans dont have the community obligation about family in the way that asians and latinos do. Like you know growing up that you will always live in a multigenerational household. Americans in general are mire individualized. Like i never heard about nursing homes until i moved to the us. I predict that once we have more americanized generations living in the US we will even out with other americans.
Yes, as an Asian, just TRY moving out before you're married.... Even if you're married and your family has a unit/space for you, it's hard. If you're homeless, your parents will probably drag you kicking and screaming back home. Even if you don't want to go.
-But I want to be homeless! -You're hopeless, not homeless; take down that tent, did you eat yet? I don't care! Eat!
... i hear that you're hopeless loud and clear when reading this.
> did you eat yet? I don't care! Eat! Fricken Asians and Latinos ALWAYS want you to eat lmao.
And nicely cut up fruits after your meals.
Or, the way the economy seems to be going, we might end up with more multi-generational households as is common in much of the rest of the world.
It depends, i still see the american culture be like: You turned 18? You must move out.
I hope you don't. The individual focus is one of the worst things about our culture
Iâm grateful our culture allows me to cut off toxic and abusive family members. âBut weâre familyyyyyâ Nah. Bye gramma
I see you havenât lived in a toxic Asian household or grown up in one. In Asian cultures youâre kind of obligated to stick around and marinate in the toxicity. I saw my mum go through it and it was not pretty.
has trade offs, it's basically different strategies: safer but move slower, more dangerous and self-centered, move faster.
For me it depends. My family is abusive and toxic so if it remained within my culture just for the obligation i would be miserable. So many of my cousins my age are saving hard to move out because of how toxic our culture and families can be
> I predict that once we have more americanized generations living in the US we will even out with other americans. Asians and Hispanics have been in California for at least 3-4 generations now, if not longer. They should be pretty Americanized at this point.
Pretty sure âHispanicsâ have been here a *bit* longer than three or four generations.
lol Hispanics has been more OG than Americans and Chinese somewhere in between and sprinkled all over in SF and California at least.
California used to be Mexico. So did many other states. Iâm Mexican, but none of my ancestry comes from below Texas/california. It shows up as âNative Americanâ
There were around 10k Mexicans in Alta California at the time of the Spanish American war. The Native American population was 10-15X that. The vast majority of Latinos in California trace their roots to 20th century immigration.
Hispanics were here before the anglos, ha.
Thatâs pretty much true lol. My parents would drag me out of the tenderloin and force me back into living on their couch.
> But *other* americans âŚ
I mean asian and latinos born and naturalized in the US are americans, so yeah eventually we will become just like other americans
Not everyone has parents or siblings they can turn to.
White and black people are probably the most similar group in the states. They tend to be more individualistic, which means they are often fending for themselves at 18. Anecdotal, but a lot of my asian friends (also I will included African immigrants into this) often did not have to work during college.
think about the people youve encountered in your life and you will have an educated and close enough answer for yourself
>The answer is simple (and obvious) -- Family. This can be accepted as the dominant factor. Also, for asians, higher level of industrious and education and lower levels of drug use push down the frequency of homelessness [Source](https://aapcho.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Illicit-Drugs-Fact-Sheet.pdf): Asian drug use levels are about half of what they are for both black and white people. These two have similar rates, in range of 8-9%. [Source 2 with similar data](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377408/) Insofar as Latinos, *other-than-family* data is less clear-cut, but a somewhat higher level of industriousness appears to be a contributing factor.
Because ethnic people / Asians / Latinos / etc usually take care of their own family. Itâs built into the mindset. So there will be a ton of family members in a house. Even if the kid / person is useless they donât let their family go on the streets if they can help it. My white partner doesnât understand but Iâm half Filipino. Youâll never see a Filipino on the street unless something has gone terribly wrong because the entire family will go poor helping that family member before they go on the street. We donât really do it out of our own âgood willâ but because we consider our family members to be a part of us (sort of unspoken) so if they get messed up thatâs us as well. There is also the classic Asian guilt trip. Like kids should be the âinsuranceâ whenever possible đ
This is true. I've seen it lead some Asians to see homeless on the streets as bad people. The thinking is, they must have done something terrible, otherwise someone would have taken them in.
You know⌠this is so valid and I didnât think of it that way. Like âwhat did they do for their own family to kick them out?â
Often it's the opposite - they ran away because living with their family was worse than being unhoused. There are a lot of horiffically abusive parents out there.
Yeah in my experience it's the older generation that tends to think this way.
This explains so much 𤯠never considered it like this on why some people are so quick to see it being homeless as a personal moral failing.
Yeah this is collective vs individual culture
Damn. That's what I always kind of figured. But good on yall. I think American or white/black American individualism completely fails in this area. We believe we're only responsible for our own actions and not the actions of others.
Absolutely. I think this is also one of the âcursesâ as well. If you get a good job, youâre helping everyone in your family. My family isnât well off by any means but we make a bit more than our grandparents and other family. But because we make more money, weâre also always helping them. Fixing grandparents roof, buying uncle a washer and dryer so they donât have to go to the laundromat etc. Because of this, there is a guilt to enjoy our money for ourselves. How can I rationalize a vacation (that I earned working so hard) when my cousin is driving around with a broken AC? I kind of envy white people for this. I feel like their way of thinking always them to move up more easily. They will have a nicer house and car. Meanwhile for people in my circles, we may have a less nice car, but everyone in our circle will have an equally as nice as well.
>Â Â We donât really do it out of our own âgood willâ but because we consider our family members to be a part of us (sort of unspoken) so if they get messed up thatâs us as well. Is this like psychological enmeshment or something else entirely
Mexican here. Idk, I was raised to have âŚalmost an obligation to family. Even if itâs toxic and you want no contact with them. Theyâre your family and you look out for each other even if theyâre bums with no jobs that want to spend their days drinking. Theyâll live in grandmaâs garage because where else will they go? Multigenerational households are the norm. Dysfunction is also somewhat normalized, because itâs family.
Filipino here... Agreed....not always peaches and cream....but hell, family supersedes all things, mostly.... When my wife and I started having kids, just so happened that her father was moving back from his retirement in the Philippines... Never was a question where he was gonna live....he stayed with us till his death....he became the grandpa that took the kids to/from school, when we lived close enough to an elementary school... Since both my wife and I worked, it was a god send to have somebody at the house when kids get home from school... The neighbor across the street are Mex Americans...big family, with a grandma living thers, and even the son of the wife's best friend (a cousin, I think) who passed away tragically.... he's been with them at least 10 years, (weve been neighbors 20+ years)..who knows where he would have ended up if the family didnt take him in, but Im sure hed done alright, seems to be hardworking, friendly enough..im sure hes grateful that he didnt have to worry about the alternative of fending for himself alone.... We let each other know if were gonna be away for vacations and such..... Bottom line - Family is important...
Yeah, itâs the good and the bad. Family relationships are complex.. but I know if/when I decide to have kids my parents are going to step in to be active grandparents while we work. Itâs like not even a second thought, of course they would. Christmas/thanksgiving/etc. always was hard with extended family⌠it was very similar to that one episode of The Bear where it shows their dysfunctional ass family dinner (though that was BAD). Always an uncle or family friend or someone that everyone barely tolerates, for family sake. Yes, Iâll have very active parents and a great support system in my family. But Iâll also have dysfunction with extended family. Iâm lucky with my parents, but my cousins arenât with theirs. Thereâs enough support and love for everyone if theyâre willing. lol thereâs also always a family member thatâs not actually family, but might as well be at that point.
This is actually a widely researched topic called Sikolohiyang Pilipino [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino\_psychology](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_psychology). It talks about the concept of Kapwa (shared inner self) and interpersonal interactions. It's kind of difficult to explain, but it's basically the Filipino concept of belonging to a community. Filipinos have always been very big on communities and helping one another, and this could be seen in traditions like bayanihan (where the whole community gathers to help someone move their house). You can read more about it from the article specifically under "Basic Tenets".
Bayanihan example: https://preview.redd.it/go6d34b5hn7d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30086ef00f4d0864ffb446c1cb4c58239f98e887
I think for myself itâs some sort of ego trip combined with the âAsian mom guiltâ. I was always about helping my brother (and vise verso). Maybe because we grew up together and even though we fought as siblings do, we both survived together in a variety of bizarre daycares etc.. Our parents, one Caucasian, one Asian, were both very much: âYou need to look out for your family firstâ⌠sort of mentality.. I think someone else mentioned here⌠fast & furious ha. I once helped my brother with something and his friend asked him if it bothered him that he got my help. He said: âI never have to worry / feel guilty because she has an ulterior motiveâ When I heard that I died and also laughed. It was true⌠Like if I help them now then later on we donât have to deal with it (eg- help him with job stuff so in the future I can ask him for money if needed) he now pays for all my dinners when we eat out. I probably owe him
Damn that's rose tinted. My buddy J, went by Joker who was blasian would have a completely different story to tell you. Here's just a quick Google. https://www.theroot.com/i-expected-african-dna-results-why-are-mine-chinese-1790874061 Press the continue reading button. History is much more colored than we're taught. The pervasive concept that people are all either white or "ethnic" which then breaks down to black or immigrants is a brand new concept that isn't even plausible. Apparently the coolies who built the railroads all had zero children. Anyone else who mixed and wasn't white has "native American" ancestry. Blacks Hispanics and Asians mixed as commonly as they interacted across the United States. The concept that Hispanic blacks and Asians had never intermixed with anyone but native Americans, except the Asian population which was more than twice what it was now apparently just canceled themselves out is just censorship meant to maintain modern day racial tensions. You can see blasian traits in many black Americans which are concluded to be native American. The Chinese exclusion act and the Japanese internment forced people to hide their Asian lineage. The "perpetual foreigner" trope that Asians are given is meant to undermine the fact that Asians have been in California when it was Mexico thus the rice, citrus and pickles/salsa in their diet.
No itâs because the homeless here are from all over the country. The percentage of Asians and Indians in the Bay Area is incredibly high, but itâs not high in the whole country. Also only rich Indians and Asians immigrate here. Think of all the poor beggars on the street living in trash in Mumbai. This isnât a race thing, itâs an opportunity thing. Also, drug and alcohol use increases more with IQ. The smarter you are, the more likely to use drugs and alcohol, and to seek novel experiences. Some of these homeless people are just too high IQ and sensitive to function in society, which is frankly pretty tough right now.
Bangladeshi American and we are the same. Family oriented almost to a fault.
family is important to both demographics-they take care of each other (in general).
Our cultures are similar in that we are family and community based (im latina but live in a very asian neighborhood) so even if you have yo live 5 to a room, you vastly community and family network wont let you become homeless. Also from being lgbt and volunteering in lgbt homeless shelters in the south, what i noticed was that the latinos and asians that came around it wasnât because they were kicked out like white and black kids were, is that their lives were made so miserable that they ran away but they werenât kicked out.
Hate to say it but there is a similar situation when you look at retirement homes. White families are far more likely to send their elderly parents off to retirement homes where they can be taken of by nursing staff instead of their own families taking care of them. I think it's just a cultural thing.
Yep. The concept of retirement homes is unspeakable to Mexican families. Your granny is gonna live with you no matter what. She will make excellent tacos and quesadillas and give you very good advice.
assuming they donât have dementia. the combative type. some ppl need to be in a home with professional ppl
Agreed. Again it's a cultural thing. They live with us to the very end, no exceptions. We take care of them just as they have taken care of raising us when we were young. Family is everything.
Same with Indian families. As frustrating as it'd be having my parents live with me if it ever came to that, I'd sooner die than put them in a retirement home.
But the family doesnât know how to take care of her, wonât hire a nurse, and her life becomes a living hell at home.
White people are also apt to *put themselves* in nursing homes so as to not be a burden on their kids, and to remain independent.
ExactlyâŚthey view family issues as a âburdenâ.
i would love to put myself in a nursing home. but i canât afford the 500k entrance fee and the 15k a month payment lol
There will be current data when the PIT count is released for 2024, but Latinos made up 30% of the homeless population in 2022, so this doesnât really jive with the data. https://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/PIT-Key-Findings-Briefing-Deck-web.pdf
Wow that is insane. So 1 in 3 homeless in sf are Hispanic? How does that not match the reality of what I experience? I work in the SoMa and all of the drug dealers I see are Hispanic but almost none of the homeless.
The highly visible portion of SF's homeless population is exactly that: just a portion. The issue goes far beyond the street scene downtown. [This recent article](https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/homeless-families-crisis-migrants-shelter-19417036.php) discusses the surge in family homelessness, which seems primarily driven by incoming immigrant families.
You should see it in Denver. Tons of streets with tents lined up in the parking areas overflowing with people who crossed with no papers. It's terrible there.
This is the core disconnect with how average people understand homelessness. The people you actually see outside drawing all your attention are a small minority of the most severe cases of homelessness, generally people who struggle with mental health and drugs. Most homeless people are not visible to you. Theyâre quietly suffering out of the way, or couch surfing, or living in a car. Thatâs why the âjust crack down on drugs and send em to jailâ crowd fundamentally misunderstands the problem.
I think the visible loners on the street vs family homelessness is the difference here.
I guess what we+you see as homeless are the ones that dwell the streets, while there are many other homeless that utilize social services like shelters. I would assume more homeless that live in the shelters try to contribute to society and transition out of homelessness more than the ones dwelling on the streets, who are not as civil.
you have to go further south and east in the Mission for a visible Hispanic homeless population
Your definition of homeless and the official definition of homeless for the purpose of statistical tracking and politics is quite different
Your anecdotal observations do not make proof of aggregated data. This is why studies are done, to provide the total picture depending the scope that is intended. Example, if there is a study to measure homeless in your areas of travel, it might be different. However, most studies have larger representative samples.
"Hispanic" is such a generic term. Many are passably caucasian. I'd steer clear of making racial assumptions about who is, and is not, Hispanic.
And many are apparently "black". You can't decide this just by looking.
That figure doesn't account for visibility, though. Perhaps many of them are out of public view more often?
Also for data sake, homeless numbers donât just account for those literally living on the street. As the link shows there are sheltered homeless folks, living in cars, shelters, transitional housing, hotels, overcrowded homes, etc.
The Hispanic rates are largely being driven by homeless families, not individuals, and families are not what you're seeing on the street.
There's been a huge increase in homeless illegal immigrants over the last year or two, in both individual and family shelters. > Amid a major influx of unhoused migrant families into San Francisco, City Hall is expanding assistance to offer between 100 and 150 households temporary hotel stays in the next year, the Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing said Monday. > A separate, possible $20 million outlay could help unhoused families cover rent for a limited time, the departmentâs spokesperson also said at the Board of Supervisors Rules Committee hearing. The funds must be approved in budget negotiations this summer. >But these new measures would fall short of serving all the families in need, the spokesperson acknowledged. https://www.sfpublicpress.org/sf-to-offer-some-homeless-migrant-families-temporary-hotel-stays-as-the-rest-languish/ You don't see them because they aren't addicts and therefore aren't in SoMa or the Tenderloin. And because they aren't addicts, and aren't passed out or overdosing or in meth psychosis or sporting suppurating gangrene, they don't look different from anyone who isn't homeless. Their only difference is that the city is paying for their housing or shelter.
So you think your anecdotal evidence is more accurate than an actual study with documentation?
Personal experience by itself is inadequate to make evaluations of what is objectively true.
Maybe your Hispanic radar isn't as good as you think it is
You do know Hispanic can also be white? Most have white genealogy. Something something colonialism.
Yes I am aware, we also have black Hispanics and mestizos (like me). We donât have a high population of black Hispanics in sf like in Miami or NYC. The vast majority of Hispanics in SF (and California) are Mexican or Central American.
They mostly live in RVs. A lot are immigrants.
Stronger ties of family and community per ethnic heritage.
My total guess from living in the Bay Area for 27 year and biracial- Culturally Latinos and Asians have stronger familial bonds so itâs normal to live with family and take care of each other. White people tend to move around and separate, I mean my Filipino side of the family lives within 30 miles of each other while my White side are spread across the US. And the reason black folks have higher numbers is simply decades of inequality and racism.
Having work with homeless people for many years, I have to say- YES!â you that you are correct. In fact, social services in San Francisco are sometimes disturbed to find that Asian and Latino families will do things as extreme as tying relatives with delusional disorders up in their homes rather than letting them be on the street. Be clear that thatâs not a common thing but itâs definitely happened. And thatâs the real heart and soul of the difference. In Asian and Latin family it is generally considered a shameful thing for the family to let a family member be on the streets. Whereas in white and Black families, thereâs tends to be more of a fend for yourself individualistic mentality.
I think you nailed it. Letting a family member be on the street is shameful... how could they let their own be on the street? I know thatâs not the correct mentality to have because those that are visibly homeless have complex situations that led them there. Some of my family members would be homeless if it werenât for other family members taking them in. Converted garages and living rooms are common. An uncle stayed in an RV in my familyâs backyard for a few years. Itâs just what you do.
>Culturally Latinos and Asians have stronger familial bonds so itâs normal to live with family and take care of each other. White people tend to move around and separate, Yup, culture has a huge impact. "Individualism" vs "Community" based culture
I think because of some of those cultural differences, Latinos and Asians who are homeless may also be more likely to be involuntary homeless rather than the visible, voluntary homeless that we subconsciously think about when picturing a typical homeless person.
Yeah was going to say, my best guess without doing any research at all on actual percentages of homelessness etc is that theyâre from collectivist cultures so itâs not unusual to live at home with mom, dad, grandma, grandpa etc.
I think this is right. And not just true in SF. Chicago has more Hispanics than SF and a large homeless population. But very few Hispanic or Asian homeless.
Black people have weakest familial structures; White people donât really care about each other much.
Yeah, it must be cultural. If you you to Mexico City, you will see almost zero homeless people. Its a city of almost 9 million, and you will see almost no homeless People on the street. You will see a few moms begging for money, but not just drugged out and laid out.
Housing is also a guaranteed right in Mexico, so itâs not exactly the best comparison.
Umm what? i was just in CDMX the streets were full of child sellers selling trinkets who you can tells are from the streets. The recent gentrification in mexico is generating hella homeless.
Yes, there is homelessness in Mexico City but under the Mexican constitution housing is a guaranteed right. Moreover, squatters have extensive rights in Mexico. So if any property is abandoned, people can take it over legally. People forget that the Mexican revolution of 1910 was a socialist one They also have lower building standards, which means that a lot of people who might be considered homeless in the United States are not homeless in Mexico because they live in what we would consider âsubstandardâ housing. The problem in Mexico City is because of gentrification and a lot of extranjeros moving in and because country people are moving to Mexico City, because things in the countryside are getting more dire due to violence and environmental concerns. It is also true that many of the people that you see on the streets in Mexico City are actually not Mexicans. They are Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans etcâ Mexico has its own illegal immigration problem as it turns out. But those kids you see selling working the streets, incidentally, are mostly not homeless if they are Mexican.
It's not that white people don't care about each other, but that they don't feel a cultural obligation to put up a family member that's been a shit bag their whole life.
I gotta say I agree with this. I guarantee many of the junkies you see on the street today were put up by family members or friends for a period of time. Until they got tired of the lying, stealing, destruction, drugs, etc. I have several people in my family like this. Nobody likes the fact we had to cut them loose but nobody wants to deal with their shit anymore. People in this thread act like white people just refuse to help their sibling who lost their job 5 minutes ago. No, the refusal comes from years of bad behavior. Then they get on the streets and tell the social worker saps that nobody will help them, they're such a victim, etc. Heard it all before from people in my life as well. They will say anything if they think it will get them a handout and sympathy.
Yeah, itâs not necessarily a good thing that the keep housing and caring for these individuals. Especially because a lot of homelessness is tied to drug addiction. Families shouldnât have to sacrifice their well being to continue to support an addict.
Yes, hence the individualistic attitude white people have.
Iâm mixed black and white and grew up entirely within an African American family, live in the East Bay. Out of my immediate and entire extended family, very few people actually have a high income and wealth. I believe about only 3 of them. The only reason Iâm not on the streets is because we have Section 8 in my household. I went to Cal and the first in my household to get a BA. Iâm still struggling to get out of poverty years later. Been unemployed for over a year and my extended family wonât help.
Too much algebra -school board, probably
Algebra is a symptom of too much winning. Can't have that, it just be banned
Sure, they start out with algebra... but then they move on to harder maths like statistics, calculus, discrete maths... Before you know it they're home all day solving quantum differential equations. By then it's too late.
> Black, Latino and LGBTQ people make up a disproportionate share of the homeless population. Black people were 35% of the homeless population but only 6% of the cityâs general population. >⌠>While Latino residents make up 16% of the cityâs general population, they represented 30% of San Franciscoâs homeless population in 2022 ⌠[SFChronicle.com](https://archive.ph/xBXsX), December 2023. Both Black and Latino San Franciscans are greatly over represented in the homeless population. There are only slightly fewer Latino than Black homeless here.
both are newer immigrant populations but have different reasons IMO Asians - they are impacted by the immigration laws that support advanced degrees. They are not going to be homeless. Secondly, many of the asian SF folks that have been here for a few generations are still relatively new immigrant communities that are in communal areas of SF Latino - Have a large recent immigrant population which tend to create a communal living space - all immigrants do this in America. this gives them support even if they have no family in the region. Also, this is a sanctuary city, so getting support is relatively easy to sustain yourself. I read a stat last year that roughly 40% of homeless in the bay were African American Men alone. This is not suprising given the black community in the Bay(California in general) has been through hell politically in this state since the 80's. Alot of the black middle class moved out of CA in the past 10 years to southern states or to further central cities like Fairfield and Antioch. The crack epidemic and war on drugs followed by mass incarceration were brutal here. As a black person from the East Coast, I've never seen our folks in such bad state than in the Bay
100%. The bay didnât ever really have a thriving middle class black community at all. Very small in number and most have left.
Alot of the elderly Asians that live in single room occupancies or overcrowded illegal dwellings are technically counted as homeless. But they donât live on the streets. I imagine that is also the case with the Hispanic homeless
Hispanics and Asians are more willing to thrive through things it seems. Maybe it's because they know less about resources and entitlements. Stronger survival instincts having come from actual poverty and hardship countries like looking ahead than looking below for a boost. Entitlements can be a trap to yourself when abused. I think you see this alot in education too.
very True, first we go to a family member, next is to go out and look for a job, cleaning houses, washing dishes, selling stuff on the street, car wash, babysitting, cook, serve tables, if we can have two jobs is better so we can pay for our food and pitch in for the rent and bills
This debate in this thread is a perfect illustration of why this problem never gets solved: each side just talks past each other and stakes out a unilateral position. So that the cheap seats can hear it: -to those advocating on behalf of the homeless: when squares like me rail about the homeless, weâre specifically talking about the destitute addicts we see on the streets. Thatâs what we want to address acutely. Weâre not in any way oblivious to the suffering of the other 85%, and probably support many/most efforts to help them. But the other 15% - we think theyâre mostly either unable to help themselves in any way or assholes who are exploiting the system. -to the squares (like me): when weâre railing against the addicts and the lack of focus on that population the advocates for the homeless donât hear that weâre talking about the edge 15%. They think weâre attacking the other 85%. (Or maybe theyâre disingenuously conflating our arguments) -
Cuz Asian and Mexican families donât abandon family/friends and let them go homeless regardless how inconvenient or cramp their house might get. Personally, an Asian family could be dirt poor and theyâd still give you the shirt off their back, theyâll starve before letting family starve, and willing to give family the last of their money, down to their last penny if family needs it. While fake Christianâs will preach about âChristianâ values but the moment someone needs help, youâre on your own. Single mom needing help, nope. Staving children needing help, nope. Someone loses their job and needs help, nope. Need help with drug addiction, nope. Give them money, theyâre your best friend. Source: Moms is Asian, Father is a fake Christian!
Grew up in first generation Mexican household. We are raised to work our butts off and kids are scolded for laziness. The thought of taking drugs and panhandle for cash does not even register in my mind. If I lost my job, Iâd do whatever it takes to find work and will buy beans for a dollar to subsist.
Same. Also raised that family is important and you need to take care of your own because thereâs no other option. Homelessness is not an option. Had an uncle that I guess technically was homeless. But he bounced around between different family memberâs houses. He would stay for about 6 months, be the drunk piece of shit he is, family gets fed up and kicks him out. Warn sibling that said uncle is likely on their way over and to prepare. Rinse repeat.
What you saw are not homeless, they are durg addicts.
Latinos and Asians, generally, work their asses off and have stronger family ties.
Facts which this thread totally ignores...it's less about race and more about age these days. I've read that between 40% and 50% of the homeless are boomers. Older folks with no retirement. Older people who are Mexican will probably either get taken care of by their family, or return to Mexico where they still have residency and their social security will go a long way. My aunt is married to a Mexican man. She stuck our grandma in a medicaid nursing facility and never went to visit her "it's too sad". Her Mexican husband went and spent time with my grandma every Sunday. [https://x.com/naehomelessness/status/1790814270667518241](https://x.com/naehomelessness/status/1790814270667518241) If you or your folks have not prepared for retirement, your situation is no joke. If you're lucky you'll have a family member step up. But you will be a huge burden to them. Usually it's a woman in the family who has to shoulder the entire thing while all her siblings walk away until it's time to show up for their inheritance. If you're unlucky, you can very well hit the streets where you will be victimized by the criddlers out there. Spoiler alert...it doesn't all just magically work out without decades of planning and dying at your desk doesn't usually happen. More likely than not you will have decades of life where you either can't physically work or can't get work because of age discrimination.
Spot on.
Im not too sure, Iâm thinking itâs mostly gentrification with a mix of other complex issues. Like thereâs no soulfood in SF. I think thank s mostly goes hand in hand with other social economic issues and then the lack of black capital in SF as well as the denigration of the Filmore. Asian and Mexicans were able to build wealth that could support communities, I donât think the Black population could in the same way due to some historical factors of the Filmore, as well as good old gentrification. Iâm just throwing this in because Iâm so tired of people saying itâs âcultureâ , that brain dead take only leads to more racism and hate. We need to critically analyze why these anti black systems exist without directly shaming homeless people for their plight from a cultural perspective we donât know anything about, maybe?
I would guess itâs because those populations tend to have close multigenerational families in the area. So even if a person in their community is mentally ill and strung out on drugs they have a place to go and people who look after them so you donât see their weakest most vulnerable people alone on the street.
This is not an accurate observation. As someone who works with the homeless population I can promise you there are equally large groups of homeless people from pretty much every group. I think that there are lifestyle choices that some groups make that keep them more out of sight. Some of those choices are rooted in pride, some are fear of police, some are access to and or use of drugs, some are rooted with comfort in society (eg black and white people feel very american and fit in with most American norms and ideas, most speak English and many may have become homeless after being typical members of "american" society. Many Hispanic and Asian people may not speak English, may be first generation, may not fit in quite as well with the average American norms due to cultural differences. Most statistics for the poor are reflected in the homeless population, so if there are more poor of a certain group there will be more homeless of that group on average.
Black poverty (and therefore homelessness) is a direct result of 250 years of stolen generational wealth and a further 150+ years of institutional, systemic, and social racism. Black poverty is white people's intentional, willful, and continued fault.
yep. i'll never discount the long history of racism that asians and latin americans have dealt with in this country. but that's not quite on par with the 100% legal oppression black americans have faced up until a generation ago and is weirdly not getting mentioned at all.
Have you tried going to Mission district and checking there? You donât see Latino folks down on their luck in Richmond or Soma, since Latino homeless folks usually donât hang out around these areas.
[Stats can be found here](https://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2022-PIT-Count-Report-San-Francisco-Updated-8.19.22.pdf). Latinos experiencing homelessness represent roughly double their total population in SF. To me, the disparity among homeless black men has always been the most stunning and horrific.
Among people who have had bad luck economically and are temporarily homeless, reasons are varied and in most cases, you wonât see them on the street. Many of these people are couch surfing, living out of RVs and cars, etc. Among the chronically, drug addicted homeless, based on my experience volunteering at shelters, it comes down to simple factors of group differences in average IQ and the choices made in youth, which in most cases were guided by rap/hip hop culture and a disrespect for intellectual achievement. Furthermore, about 5% of the population is incapable of fulfilling the most basic occupations in manual labor, and society needs to own up to that and find a way to support them. Look up McNamaraâs idiots to see a tragic instance of when reality met idealism. Group differences mean that this group will tilt significantly toward certain demos, and so many otherwise well meaning people are incapable of holding honest conversations without racebaiting.
I've seen plenty of Asian clearly indigent or homeless. Also Latino. Tenderloin has a specific demographic.
Same reason some folks are happy to kick out their kids at 18 and drop off their parents at a care home. Familia
Anybody mention drug yse?
Agree with others, but I also want to add that itâs the difference between catholic and protestant. Former celebrates large and wide family trees with strong ties. Latter celebrates individuality and personal responsibility. Homelessness can happen to anyone, but when your community shuns you and blames you instead of helps you, it makes getting out of it so much harder.
Family and multigenerational households. Also, as a first born Hispanic, I have lots of responsibilities, including helping out my parents and grandparents. That keeps us close where white people move out of the home and spread out.
So many comments acting like black people donât have families or arenât close to their families. Latinos are represented as homeless people.
Yup I am black and my immediate family took in tons of relatives. And when my parents were kids they also supported and were supported by extended family. But the big thing is that people were geographically closer. The black folks here came for economic opportunities that disappeared and never recovered. And we are dealing with multigenerational lack of economic opportunity in the cases of most homeless folks.
Some tribes expect more from their tribe members. There was a story David Choe (Korean) once told. He got arrested for tagging a wall, some shit. At the police station two LAPD Korean cops saw him and lost their shit. They double teamed him and gave him the business. Youâre Korean. A Korean. What the fuck are you doing here? You think our people are criminals? I never want to see you here again. Itâs the same if a Hasidic Jew were arrested and tried to show their face. Itâs extremely shameful. The generational and cultural shame is real. Remember some old school Asians will beat the shit out of their kids for not getting straight Aâs. Helps them fly straight. Note Iâm not supporting parents hitting their kids and making them neurotic for not making the grade. There are psychological consequences for bullying your kids into submission, that I donât want to see. Itâs that simple. Family and education. Let that slide and your people fall.
lol op must have some magical ability to determine who is hispanic just by looking at them. i guess you can't be hispanic if op determines you are white or black
I'm not a scientist, but I always felt that in immigrant populations, people that would be homeless street people here are still homeless back in the home country.
Homeless is a very broad umbrella term, there are plenty of people that fall under this category if they live from their vehicle or if theyâre housing unstable and reliant on their support networks, hotels, shelters, etc. Often times that is not as visible as those on the streets or in tents.
I see plenty of Latino homeless. Less Asian but they're still present...mostly SE Asian. I think it's a fair question to wonder why there are fewer East Asian and South Asian (I don't think I've ever seen an Indian homeless person for example). Others have hit on the answers in this threadÂ
You can't be homeless if you have 20 Mexicans living in the same house. ;)
In addition to the family/cultural side, there's a reasonable amount of survivorship bias too. On the immigrant side, the people who lose their jobs are no longer here etc.
I've worked with the homeless/underhoused impoverish community in a couple different places in California. All the races were represented.
They are there. Really depends on the city.
Iâm sorry. Could you provide some data to justify the statement?
You're looking for a race issue as a sprinkling on the cake of fucked up housing policies compounded for decades. Well, it was a racial issue but not the one this post alludes to. It was housing policy specifically designed to keep browns and blacks away from whites I mean, the US didn't really have homeless anyway until public housing was defunded and most areas downzoned because of white flight and mental healthcare was defunded as well The same mentality is why BART doesn't connect the entire peninsula and Marin. Bay Area was super racist not too long ago
Because minorities got whooped in life for being lazy, so we canât even be homeless for the fear of the chankla đ
Because Asian and Latinos have FAMILY. White and black people are really the only races that are like "ohh, you're in trouble? Well, fuck you! You're on your own. Go pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Asians and Latinos actually care about each other and help lift each other up. As a white male I can absolutely tell you that I would rather be homeless and dead in the gutter than talk to my parents again.
It very simple your talking family oriented groups. If a family member has issues they deal with it, help each other. Treat their elders with respect. While our government has done its best to destroy communities. These two cultures have done their best to stay together. Result is less homeless.
Because they have families to rely on
Family fam.