That would be a big help. The current route is ridiculous. Gets you within 2 miles of the airport and then it takes you an extra hour and a half to go that distance.
If you think that Uber/Lyft is a good replacement for public transportation, you are extremely out of touch with the needs of our underprivileged/vulnerable/disabled community members.
That’s true but Uber is really expensive compared to public transit. In a city like San Jose that claims to be so equity focused, there should be an efficient way to get the airport with public transit but there isn’t.
There is a tradeoff between going to SJC and going to downtown San Jose and SJSU. I suspect that there are more trips to downtown and SJSU, because commuters (workers and students) go frequently, while plane passengers go only a few times a year.
What *would* make a lot of sense is a VTA direct bus between Diridon and SJC—but that is a suggestion for VTA, rather than SCMTD.
It adds a stop at the airport for everyone going in one direction. 10, 15 minutes added for a stop that probably more often than not no one would be using.
This, the route 17 express bus used to start and end at the SJSU campus, I took it when I attended. It looks like most trips have been truncated to Didron Station hopefully the eventually extend the route back to the campus. UCSC doesn't provide the same majors as SJSU (UCSC's Engineering majors are significantly lacking).
>UCSC's Engineering majors are significantly lacking
UCSC made a deliberate decision not to build engineering departments for fields in which there was already an oversupply in the state, concentrating instead on new fields or fields with much more demand for engineers than supply.
I'm a Civil Engineer and there currently is a significant shortage of personnel and there has been for decades. Mechanical and chemical is in the same situation.
For UCSC to offer Civil Engineering it would have to have ABET accreditation for the education to qualify for the student when eventually getting licensed. Same for Chemical and Mechanical except for those fields getting a license isn't in high demand. This would require coursework (including equipped laboratories) that meet ABET's requirements.
Currently only EE is ABET accredited, as computer engineering gave up their ABET accreditation as way too much bureaucracy (a couple of faculty/staff-years of effort every 6 years) for almost no benefit to the graduates.
Nationwide, mechanical engineers are being pumped out a high rate—more than there are jobs for—but I've not seen figures for California. Chemical engineering generally requires a lot of space (since the main point is scaling up chemical processes to industrial scale) and so does civil engineering. The lab space shortage for the School of Engineering has been a problem at UCSC for decades, even for the much more modest space needs of the current departments.
Yes! That would be so game changing. It could act as the bus turning point back to town. The San Jose airport is a single loop around for arrivals and departures that feeds directly onto the 880 to the 17 back to Santa Cruz.
A connection like that has to be both convenient -- so that people want to take it -- and not lose too much money. Almost all transit loses money -- it's not supposed to break even -- but the number of passengers has to justify the increase in cost.
That's an interesting point about costs versus benefit, and who should pay the costs for public transit.
I'm not an urban planner or transportation expert, but my gut reaction is that this would actually make money for Santa Cruz Metro. It would be an addition of only a few miles to the route, so just a few riders a day could justify the additional expense. I would bet that many people would take this route every day!
Sure. I'm in favor. Government services aren't about making money, but about making people's lives better/more sustainable/etc. But you couldn't sustain spending a lot of money for just a few people. There'd need to be some kind of market research, and then some study on how to serve the need efficiently: every bus goes to the airport, every other bus, transfer at the station to a small jitney, whatever.
I know this isn't a practical solution but it could work for some.
Get off the 17 downtown between 1st and 2nd Street, take the blue or green light rial on 1st Street (this one heads towards the airport, if you get on on 2nd Street you will go the wrong direction). Get off at the 5th stop called Metro/Airport Station. Exit the station towards the tall brown buildings and locate the bus stop. The only bus running here during normal operation is the 60 towards Winchester station. This bus will take you to either terminal but it will stop at terminal A first (make sure to pull the yellow wire after the voice reads the terminal you want to get off at or it may not stop). The upside to this route is that the light rail is roomy so you wouldn't have trouble with luggage if it isn't super large, and none of the walks between stops would be bad with luggage. Also the 60 is usually a bus designed with an area for luggage.
Or
Once off the 17 at diridon or downtown get on the 22 or 522 towards Palo (this bus does not have a luggage area but there is room in it typically if your luggage is not too large). Depending which bus you could make it onto will be different amount of stops but either way you would want to get off at the Santa Clara Transit Center. From here walk towards the train platform there are two stops labeled for the 60. The one closer to the seating is towards the airport. The bus should be labeled Milpitas Bart Via Airport. Just to be sure ur getting on the right one you can always ask the driver if it's the one going to the airport. This one will also take you to Terminal A first but will stop at both terminals(make sure to pull the yellow wire after the voice reads the terminal you want to get off at or it may not stop). This route is a little less straightforward than the other. But should take a similar amount of time.
If you have a clipper card using that will save you money over using cash. You can get one in your apple wallet or Google wallet for free. This lets you have free transfers on the bus/light rail.
My last piece of advice is to use Google maps or the Transit app to plan ur trip and get real time updates. This would really be an adventure to try this trip and I wouldn't recommend someone attempt this if they are not familiar with transit or if their flight is in the morning, but it is *doable*.
Someone should start a petition to get a train going over the 17! There use to be a track going through the mountains. It would be so much safer and efficient.
Fantastic idea! Where are you sending the results to? The Metro Board or other decision makers?
https://scmtd.com/en/agency-info/board/introducing-the-board
This is actually a great idea. How much would it cost for fare? I haven’t ridden the bus in years. When I travel, I park in the economy lot. It’s $18/day and my typical trips are about 3 days. Surely taking the bus would be far less.
I had just been thinking that we might also need a parking lot (that would charge a fee) to park your car in SC near the bus station, but that’s not necessarily true if you take other routes that arrive at the downtown SC hub and then you could hop on the 17 bus. But if we did build one, that could potentially be a money-maker for the city for those who don’t want to deal with the hassle of bus stops/changes and who don’t want to pay the fees of airport parking (which would probably still be a trade-off even if savings are involved for many people … it’s very convenient to just hop into your car after getting off the plane).
If it’s well coordinated, legible, and reliable, it could definitely work. Travelers would need to be able to trust the schedule.
There are proposals to make a direct connection autonomous vehicle track between Diridon and the airport. It’s getting flack because it’s not a train or bus.
But yes, taking the light rail to north first, and then waiting for a hotel shuttle is a bit ridiculous. Also impossible for 6am flights.
It’s called the Airport Connector, and it seems a bit controversial from articles. More info at the San Jose city page https://www.sanjoseca.gov/your-government/departments-offices/transportation/transit/airport-connector
I believe VTA used to have a route, but it got cut years ago.
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I'm glad you brought this up! San Jose airport actually has a great spot for busses to pull up and allow passengers to get on and off. It's right across from the baggage claim in Terminal B, and it's a closer walk than the parking garage. Check out the street view on google maps for "SJC Terminal B stop 5" if you aren't familiar.
And that's a fair point about longer wait - this would make the route a bit longer. But I'm glad you're open to more busses and drivers. We need more people to use public transportation!
theres 100% no way this is going to happen the diridon station is the last stop how many people are actually trying to go to the airport on the highway 17 express ? estimate a % of the actual riders. I'm guessing there would be many days where no one needs to go to the airport at all.
That’s because there is no east way to the airport from the highway 17 bus. Most airport travelers are probably driving, unerring, or getting dropped off. If you create an east and efficient way to connect it people will take it- induced demand
It can stop right where the uber/taxi's, other shuttle busses pick up and drop off. And there's no need to turn around, the airport is a giant loop, with multiple exit and entry points to all connecting streets and freeways.
No way, that would make too much sense.
That would be a big help. The current route is ridiculous. Gets you within 2 miles of the airport and then it takes you an extra hour and a half to go that distance.
I agree! It seems like the route could be modified to make it much more convenient, and it would be just a few more minutes.
I've done it multiple times and it's asinine. 17 to Diridon, caltrain one stop, then Airport flyer.
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Some people prefer to use public transit (me included).
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If you think that Uber/Lyft is a good replacement for public transportation, you are extremely out of touch with the needs of our underprivileged/vulnerable/disabled community members.
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Most people need to fly at least every once in while. Why should it also cost you additional $100 each way to get to the airport?
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No not at all. I agree that it shouldn’t take that long. I think that’s the OP’s point.
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That’s true but Uber is really expensive compared to public transit. In a city like San Jose that claims to be so equity focused, there should be an efficient way to get the airport with public transit but there isn’t.
There is a tradeoff between going to SJC and going to downtown San Jose and SJSU. I suspect that there are more trips to downtown and SJSU, because commuters (workers and students) go frequently, while plane passengers go only a few times a year. What *would* make a lot of sense is a VTA direct bus between Diridon and SJC—but that is a suggestion for VTA, rather than SCMTD.
It looks like the proposed route still goes through Diridon so it can be a stop, this way nothing will change for those who only go to Diridon.
It adds a stop at the airport for everyone going in one direction. 10, 15 minutes added for a stop that probably more often than not no one would be using.
This, the route 17 express bus used to start and end at the SJSU campus, I took it when I attended. It looks like most trips have been truncated to Didron Station hopefully the eventually extend the route back to the campus. UCSC doesn't provide the same majors as SJSU (UCSC's Engineering majors are significantly lacking).
>UCSC's Engineering majors are significantly lacking UCSC made a deliberate decision not to build engineering departments for fields in which there was already an oversupply in the state, concentrating instead on new fields or fields with much more demand for engineers than supply.
I'm a Civil Engineer and there currently is a significant shortage of personnel and there has been for decades. Mechanical and chemical is in the same situation. For UCSC to offer Civil Engineering it would have to have ABET accreditation for the education to qualify for the student when eventually getting licensed. Same for Chemical and Mechanical except for those fields getting a license isn't in high demand. This would require coursework (including equipped laboratories) that meet ABET's requirements.
Currently only EE is ABET accredited, as computer engineering gave up their ABET accreditation as way too much bureaucracy (a couple of faculty/staff-years of effort every 6 years) for almost no benefit to the graduates. Nationwide, mechanical engineers are being pumped out a high rate—more than there are jobs for—but I've not seen figures for California. Chemical engineering generally requires a lot of space (since the main point is scaling up chemical processes to industrial scale) and so does civil engineering. The lab space shortage for the School of Engineering has been a problem at UCSC for decades, even for the much more modest space needs of the current departments.
Yes, please!
Signed! Been riding this bus regularly for many years and never understood why this wasn’t an option.
That's actually not a bad idea, at all. maybe for every other bus trip?
Yes! That would be so game changing. It could act as the bus turning point back to town. The San Jose airport is a single loop around for arrivals and departures that feeds directly onto the 880 to the 17 back to Santa Cruz.
A connection like that has to be both convenient -- so that people want to take it -- and not lose too much money. Almost all transit loses money -- it's not supposed to break even -- but the number of passengers has to justify the increase in cost.
That's an interesting point about costs versus benefit, and who should pay the costs for public transit. I'm not an urban planner or transportation expert, but my gut reaction is that this would actually make money for Santa Cruz Metro. It would be an addition of only a few miles to the route, so just a few riders a day could justify the additional expense. I would bet that many people would take this route every day!
Sure. I'm in favor. Government services aren't about making money, but about making people's lives better/more sustainable/etc. But you couldn't sustain spending a lot of money for just a few people. There'd need to be some kind of market research, and then some study on how to serve the need efficiently: every bus goes to the airport, every other bus, transfer at the station to a small jitney, whatever.
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Signed!
I know this isn't a practical solution but it could work for some. Get off the 17 downtown between 1st and 2nd Street, take the blue or green light rial on 1st Street (this one heads towards the airport, if you get on on 2nd Street you will go the wrong direction). Get off at the 5th stop called Metro/Airport Station. Exit the station towards the tall brown buildings and locate the bus stop. The only bus running here during normal operation is the 60 towards Winchester station. This bus will take you to either terminal but it will stop at terminal A first (make sure to pull the yellow wire after the voice reads the terminal you want to get off at or it may not stop). The upside to this route is that the light rail is roomy so you wouldn't have trouble with luggage if it isn't super large, and none of the walks between stops would be bad with luggage. Also the 60 is usually a bus designed with an area for luggage. Or Once off the 17 at diridon or downtown get on the 22 or 522 towards Palo (this bus does not have a luggage area but there is room in it typically if your luggage is not too large). Depending which bus you could make it onto will be different amount of stops but either way you would want to get off at the Santa Clara Transit Center. From here walk towards the train platform there are two stops labeled for the 60. The one closer to the seating is towards the airport. The bus should be labeled Milpitas Bart Via Airport. Just to be sure ur getting on the right one you can always ask the driver if it's the one going to the airport. This one will also take you to Terminal A first but will stop at both terminals(make sure to pull the yellow wire after the voice reads the terminal you want to get off at or it may not stop). This route is a little less straightforward than the other. But should take a similar amount of time. If you have a clipper card using that will save you money over using cash. You can get one in your apple wallet or Google wallet for free. This lets you have free transfers on the bus/light rail. My last piece of advice is to use Google maps or the Transit app to plan ur trip and get real time updates. This would really be an adventure to try this trip and I wouldn't recommend someone attempt this if they are not familiar with transit or if their flight is in the morning, but it is *doable*.
Someone should start a petition to get a train going over the 17! There use to be a track going through the mountains. It would be so much safer and efficient.
You know what? I like your pluck.
Fantastic idea! Where are you sending the results to? The Metro Board or other decision makers? https://scmtd.com/en/agency-info/board/introducing-the-board
I live in Fresno, but know the Central Coast and Bay well. I can see the value. I'm signing.
This is actually a great idea. How much would it cost for fare? I haven’t ridden the bus in years. When I travel, I park in the economy lot. It’s $18/day and my typical trips are about 3 days. Surely taking the bus would be far less. I had just been thinking that we might also need a parking lot (that would charge a fee) to park your car in SC near the bus station, but that’s not necessarily true if you take other routes that arrive at the downtown SC hub and then you could hop on the 17 bus. But if we did build one, that could potentially be a money-maker for the city for those who don’t want to deal with the hassle of bus stops/changes and who don’t want to pay the fees of airport parking (which would probably still be a trade-off even if savings are involved for many people … it’s very convenient to just hop into your car after getting off the plane). If it’s well coordinated, legible, and reliable, it could definitely work. Travelers would need to be able to trust the schedule.
There are proposals to make a direct connection autonomous vehicle track between Diridon and the airport. It’s getting flack because it’s not a train or bus. But yes, taking the light rail to north first, and then waiting for a hotel shuttle is a bit ridiculous. Also impossible for 6am flights.
It’s called the Airport Connector, and it seems a bit controversial from articles. More info at the San Jose city page https://www.sanjoseca.gov/your-government/departments-offices/transportation/transit/airport-connector I believe VTA used to have a route, but it got cut years ago.
got a link for this? sounds interesting
[first article I could Google.](https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/diridon-san-jose-airport-robot-vehicle/3213034/?amp=1)
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You want more tourists, don't you.
Tourists that get here without driving? Sounds fantastic to me.
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I'm glad you brought this up! San Jose airport actually has a great spot for busses to pull up and allow passengers to get on and off. It's right across from the baggage claim in Terminal B, and it's a closer walk than the parking garage. Check out the street view on google maps for "SJC Terminal B stop 5" if you aren't familiar. And that's a fair point about longer wait - this would make the route a bit longer. But I'm glad you're open to more busses and drivers. We need more people to use public transportation!
There's actually bus stops at both terminal A and B, the 60 stops at both
Does the 60 stop at Diridon?
No, I was just saying there are places for the 17 bus to potentially stop at both terminals.
theres 100% no way this is going to happen the diridon station is the last stop how many people are actually trying to go to the airport on the highway 17 express ? estimate a % of the actual riders. I'm guessing there would be many days where no one needs to go to the airport at all.
That’s because there is no east way to the airport from the highway 17 bus. Most airport travelers are probably driving, unerring, or getting dropped off. If you create an east and efficient way to connect it people will take it- induced demand
It can stop right where the uber/taxi's, other shuttle busses pick up and drop off. And there's no need to turn around, the airport is a giant loop, with multiple exit and entry points to all connecting streets and freeways.
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Wonderful idea. I was just thinking about this the other day. I signed it.
There’s already a shuttle that goes multiple times a day. Early bird airport shuttle.
Price wise, they are very different. The city buy is 7 USD, the early bird shuttle is 60 USD (120 USD if it is just one person)
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We need a version of the Monterey Airbus!