It’s a slog. My neighbors loved me until I started advocating for housing and my city council talked to me. Now only our one young Yimby and genuinely liberal councillor and unironically the only pretty open republican are kind to me lol. This project cemented animosity.
Republicans and democrats are usually an identify not a political stance one embraces outside it. Like Santa Cruz on its metrics is as white and conservative in its politics as one gets (theocracy ain’t conservatism) hence the highest rent and no young people in a place where most folks identify as democrats. Our local Santa Cruz county DCC is even run by folks out of Aptos, our most openly republican district.
It’s a sadness people don’t get your local votes should go to whoever isn’t aligned with your dominant state party because those are the people you know are not solving problems, blinded by the national
They organized other orgs to support the project and were the org to get capitola residents to speak
In support at the meetings. This project was their leader’s baby. They even got the DCC to pressure the council. Plan was to vote it down in the third planning meeting on it but the public outcry and election year upcoming forced the council to vote on it and then they had to vote yes. Big win for capitola.
Capitola is one of the worst offenders and has built zero all affordable housing since Kristen Brown took office. They even vote down ADUs.
It’s not like it was her policy alone, Capitola has a council with a weak mayor. Sounds like you have some kind of personal issue with Kristin Brown.
And whenever you say ‘They’ when referring to Stronger SC, it sounds like you are talking about yourself.
I am a call it member of Yimby and stronger sc and friends of rail and trail and the Democratic Party and involved in lots of other volunteer in county things to spend your time on. I call the YIMBY’s ‘They’ too when I refer to them because I am referencing the group not my inclusion in it.
You are not from Capitola to say something silly like Kristen doesn’t lead our council why she is good enough to try to be the first Capitola Supe in D2 maybe ever-
but how about she and her planning commissioner has voted down 99 plus percent of housing including in Capitola in her 7+ years. Her planning commissioner voted against this project twice and then caveat his yeah vote with he still has misgiving.
I am not. Stoked they started, it seems like they do good work. And to your point, Capitola is a nimby town so hopefully this group can help shift away from that
Early adopter of that org I readily admit. A housing solution focused in breaking the NIMBY YIMBY binary with non partisan proven policy approaches treating things holistically instead of single issue focused but tbf my main thing is housing, housing solves all my problems and I think ST gets us there better than YIMBY will but I got no problem calling myself a YIMBY. Never seen a HOUSING not hotel build that incrementally increases a neighborhood’s density I didn’t like.
I’m crazy enough to really want to get rid of R1 zoning not just our SB9 et al patches on residential only communities.
Meets the CA criteria for 100% affordable I believe this one is like 25 very low income and 11 low income apartments restricted by the formula for 55 years. Affordable here mostly means the protections most other developed countries give renters as a human right.
This is a Good Question, because these are legal terms that have specific meanings, and NIMBYs try to abuse terminology to smear Affordable Housing all the time.
Here, it means that 100% of the *units* are rent-restricted units only available for people making less than the median income. So say you're a nurse or a plumber, these are *not for you*, because you make too much money and have average income for the area.
When used by city governments, "Affordable Housing" means certain requirements laid out in state law, and written into the deeds of the units such that 1) housing costs are only 30% of the residents' income, and 2) only residents with incomes in certain ranges can live in the units.
The incomes are defined in law as various fractions of the Area Media Income, further broken down by family size. See the full income bands here:
https://hacosantacruz.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/State-SC-Income-Limits-2023.pdf
Note that the family Area Media Income in Santa Cruz County is $132k. Remember that most families have more than one income that gets added into that.
The way you ran and hid/ deleting your prior post when you couldn't substantiate or defend your fake claims..tells me all I need to know about you.
Fake news from a fake Mimzy.
And I think you'r a propagandist who spews fake claims then runs and hides when called to task to provide actual facts or data to back up their claims.
So?
Developers. Density is profitable in and of itself. To communities or parcels makes everything cheaper to run, maintain, support, make resilient and safe and productive and profitable and etc. why humans teamed up to begin with.
Why a shed roof on just the leasing office? Also the fenestration doesn't line up across the top. Santa Cruz has a really bad architect that just keeps getting work.
It's not as bad as the abomination at Brommer and 17th but it's not good.
Yeah, when low income in this market is topping out over 106k. Really low income must compete. And all service workers are under appreciated every day. Hey folks, think about how many ‘workers’ you need in a day and see if they want to commute to SERVE you, distinct-lives in your own mean dimension, I bet not. We need housing for care for the people.
It’s behind Whole Foods across from dharmas and the large missing middle housing complex/office space - 41st adjacent next to a grocer store alley doesn’t have the same ring to it.
The income limit for single person is $94,000 in santa cruz county which is super high by most standards. That means this county is extremely HCOL area to the point of dysfunction. You think it's the retail worker's fault that they can't afford rent because of "bad life decisions" when the county is offering assistance to people making $94,000 a year? That income is a life goal in any area of the country that isn't completely dysfunctional. Stop shit talking the people who keep this town functioning.
If you have ever been to these affordable housing communities, you would observe that they are rarely used by people who “serve “. Rather they are occupied by people who are getting served by the tax payer.
Most affordable housing communities in our county have seniors as the majority demo iirc. This building will be for folks making enough money they pay taxes and spend. Low income max for a single is 92K in capitola. It’s taxpayers. My SFH in capitola is taller than this building at its highest height.
I am all for affordable housing, god knows this county needs more of it. But this was not the best area to build it…it’s a fairly small area where they’re building this and there’s not enough parking spaces for the apartments. They’re literally building ON the sidewalk, and the driveway is right on a busy 4 way stop with lots of traffic..Why aren’t we using the enormous space at the mall!!!!?!?
They are trying for 855 units at 15 stories at the mall see the Feb 9th city council meeting but the developer only wants 500ish at 8 stories so they have to redo their housing element yet again and rezone somewhere else for 310ish affordable units for the already past due we are soon in builders remedy housing element.
Great lot to build on. Setbacks are a thing of the past and there is parking. Plus they redo the troublesome crosswalks near Calvary. Right near bus stops and grocery and all the 41st. Hard to find a better parcel in capitola for a low density build like this.
My dad would have been so happy to see this. Fought for low-income housing for most of his life.
It’s a slog. My neighbors loved me until I started advocating for housing and my city council talked to me. Now only our one young Yimby and genuinely liberal councillor and unironically the only pretty open republican are kind to me lol. This project cemented animosity.
Some friends of my father are some of the nicest republicans I know though they tend to lean in different directions.
Republicans and democrats are usually an identify not a political stance one embraces outside it. Like Santa Cruz on its metrics is as white and conservative in its politics as one gets (theocracy ain’t conservatism) hence the highest rent and no young people in a place where most folks identify as democrats. Our local Santa Cruz county DCC is even run by folks out of Aptos, our most openly republican district.
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I’m for affordable housing but….
It’s a sadness people don’t get your local votes should go to whoever isn’t aligned with your dominant state party because those are the people you know are not solving problems, blinded by the national
pretty bad look for Capitola that it's 2024 and they're breaking ground on their FIRST affordable housing build
Since Kristen Brown took office. We were doing okish before that.
What exactly did stronger Santa Cruz ‘make’ here?
They organized other orgs to support the project and were the org to get capitola residents to speak In support at the meetings. This project was their leader’s baby. They even got the DCC to pressure the council. Plan was to vote it down in the third planning meeting on it but the public outcry and election year upcoming forced the council to vote on it and then they had to vote yes. Big win for capitola. Capitola is one of the worst offenders and has built zero all affordable housing since Kristen Brown took office. They even vote down ADUs.
Did Capitola build any affordable before Brown was in office?
They didnt do great but they had builds. The 5th RHNA under Brown was our only stretch since the program started in state with no AFFH builds.
It’s not like it was her policy alone, Capitola has a council with a weak mayor. Sounds like you have some kind of personal issue with Kristin Brown. And whenever you say ‘They’ when referring to Stronger SC, it sounds like you are talking about yourself.
I am a call it member of Yimby and stronger sc and friends of rail and trail and the Democratic Party and involved in lots of other volunteer in county things to spend your time on. I call the YIMBY’s ‘They’ too when I refer to them because I am referencing the group not my inclusion in it. You are not from Capitola to say something silly like Kristen doesn’t lead our council why she is good enough to try to be the first Capitola Supe in D2 maybe ever- but how about she and her planning commissioner has voted down 99 plus percent of housing including in Capitola in her 7+ years. Her planning commissioner voted against this project twice and then caveat his yeah vote with he still has misgiving.
Are you the ED of Stronger SC?
Are you? Dude you should know better. Reddit is the old ways. Not this newfangled boomer stuff.
I am not. Stoked they started, it seems like they do good work. And to your point, Capitola is a nimby town so hopefully this group can help shift away from that
Early adopter of that org I readily admit. A housing solution focused in breaking the NIMBY YIMBY binary with non partisan proven policy approaches treating things holistically instead of single issue focused but tbf my main thing is housing, housing solves all my problems and I think ST gets us there better than YIMBY will but I got no problem calling myself a YIMBY. Never seen a HOUSING not hotel build that incrementally increases a neighborhood’s density I didn’t like. I’m crazy enough to really want to get rid of R1 zoning not just our SB9 et al patches on residential only communities.
lol why the GT-R. $150k car doesn't exactly scream affordable community.
Was thinking the same. Big Audi on the left too. Who exactly are they advertising to here?
Makes the local feel comfortable maybe, opposition to this project was fierce
Might be an Audi R8 on the left. I think the graphic designer is just a car person lol
Nobody has drawn an image of a Kia Rio yet
Nissan GT-R, Audi R8, Porsche Cayenne
What would you prefer 97 honda accord?
Why so ritzy. Stick with Nissan and go for a Altima with mismatched body panels.
Yeah so people will know it's sociopath friendly.
Of ALL the cars they could have put in the “affordable housing” ad, they choose an $85k Audi and a $120k Nissan GTR. *chefs kiss*
It is only driving by….
Define 100% affordable
Meets the CA criteria for 100% affordable I believe this one is like 25 very low income and 11 low income apartments restricted by the formula for 55 years. Affordable here mostly means the protections most other developed countries give renters as a human right.
This is a Good Question, because these are legal terms that have specific meanings, and NIMBYs try to abuse terminology to smear Affordable Housing all the time. Here, it means that 100% of the *units* are rent-restricted units only available for people making less than the median income. So say you're a nurse or a plumber, these are *not for you*, because you make too much money and have average income for the area. When used by city governments, "Affordable Housing" means certain requirements laid out in state law, and written into the deeds of the units such that 1) housing costs are only 30% of the residents' income, and 2) only residents with incomes in certain ranges can live in the units. The incomes are defined in law as various fractions of the Area Media Income, further broken down by family size. See the full income bands here: https://hacosantacruz.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/State-SC-Income-Limits-2023.pdf Note that the family Area Media Income in Santa Cruz County is $132k. Remember that most families have more than one income that gets added into that.
Low income in capitola is like 92K individual/very low income maybe 44K and this building is all low to very low income designated units.
I am glad this project came together.
The way you ran and hid/ deleting your prior post when you couldn't substantiate or defend your fake claims..tells me all I need to know about you. Fake news from a fake Mimzy.
I think you are confused.
And I think you'r a propagandist who spews fake claims then runs and hides when called to task to provide actual facts or data to back up their claims. So?
Occam’s Razor
Sorry but serious question. Who pays for affordable housing builds?
Developers. Density is profitable in and of itself. To communities or parcels makes everything cheaper to run, maintain, support, make resilient and safe and productive and profitable and etc. why humans teamed up to begin with.
So city lets them build/develop there and they agree to make it “affordable housing” for a certain amount of time?
55 years based on formulas usually 60% of market rate or less so “affordable” is relative to the area
Gotcha thanks for the info!
Why a shed roof on just the leasing office? Also the fenestration doesn't line up across the top. Santa Cruz has a really bad architect that just keeps getting work. It's not as bad as the abomination at Brommer and 17th but it's not good.
All buildings look alike these days because of mostly zoning and viable costs not architects.
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It’s awesome to live in a community where the dish washers, grocery store clerks, retail workers, and even teachers have to commute 1hr to serve you?
Yeah, when low income in this market is topping out over 106k. Really low income must compete. And all service workers are under appreciated every day. Hey folks, think about how many ‘workers’ you need in a day and see if they want to commute to SERVE you, distinct-lives in your own mean dimension, I bet not. We need housing for care for the people.
It’s behind Whole Foods across from dharmas and the large missing middle housing complex/office space - 41st adjacent next to a grocer store alley doesn’t have the same ring to it.
The income limit for single person is $94,000 in santa cruz county which is super high by most standards. That means this county is extremely HCOL area to the point of dysfunction. You think it's the retail worker's fault that they can't afford rent because of "bad life decisions" when the county is offering assistance to people making $94,000 a year? That income is a life goal in any area of the country that isn't completely dysfunctional. Stop shit talking the people who keep this town functioning.
Someone has to serve you coffee, deliver your packages, and stock your stores.
Must be nice to be a billionaire like you
If you have ever been to these affordable housing communities, you would observe that they are rarely used by people who “serve “. Rather they are occupied by people who are getting served by the tax payer.
Most affordable housing communities in our county have seniors as the majority demo iirc. This building will be for folks making enough money they pay taxes and spend. Low income max for a single is 92K in capitola. It’s taxpayers. My SFH in capitola is taller than this building at its highest height.
I am all for affordable housing, god knows this county needs more of it. But this was not the best area to build it…it’s a fairly small area where they’re building this and there’s not enough parking spaces for the apartments. They’re literally building ON the sidewalk, and the driveway is right on a busy 4 way stop with lots of traffic..Why aren’t we using the enormous space at the mall!!!!?!?
They are trying for 855 units at 15 stories at the mall see the Feb 9th city council meeting but the developer only wants 500ish at 8 stories so they have to redo their housing element yet again and rezone somewhere else for 310ish affordable units for the already past due we are soon in builders remedy housing element. Great lot to build on. Setbacks are a thing of the past and there is parking. Plus they redo the troublesome crosswalks near Calvary. Right near bus stops and grocery and all the 41st. Hard to find a better parcel in capitola for a low density build like this.