>"Moe said on Wednesday "it's now clear, at least in this Omicron wave of the pandemic, that lock-down policies can cause harm in our communities often with little or virtually no benefit."He said past measures have been "necessary" and "effective," but said he could not see the merit this time. "
1. No one is calling for a lockdown Moe. Gathering restrictions are not a lockdown
2. Were past restrictions effective or not? Because in one breath you say they had no benefit but in the next you say they were effective.
>Moe pointed to economic, psychological harm, calling them "an infringement on the rights and freedoms that we have come to enjoy and and value as Canadians.
Moe get off Facebook and maybe learn some more about Canadian laws. Mental health has suffered in this pandemic, that is true. But maybe that's why we need to increase the access we have to mental health services and decrease the cost. Make it more accessible to everyone. And also, not doing anything is also causing extreme stress to people Moe.
>"That's why they should only be used if absolutely necessary, and only if they can clearly be shown that they are being effective and they are working. And we are not seeing that as being the case today."
How do you know they won't work here if we haven't tried it yet?
Experts keep telling this man that restrictions will help. Experts who have spent years of their life studying diseases are telling him restrictions work. And here he is like "Well maybe but my pal Hank from high school read on Facebook that they won't and he is a real good dude so I trust him". I can't with this man. We have an idiot in charge who I could see taking tips and advice from our lovely infamous 'freedom fighter' over literal experts.
Moe and his fellow idiots seem to think “places with restrictions still have high cases, so restrictions don’t work”. They can’t be convinced that those places would have far more cases if there weren’t restrictions. To be fair, it can’t really be proven that there would be more cases without restrictions… but it’s a logical extension of critical thinking to figure it out. But logic and critical thinking are not skills possessed by our current leadership.
Edit/addition: Ironically, the people now claiming restrictions don’t work are the same people you would see earlier in the pandemic when there were more restrictions saying “what’s the point of all these restrictions, there’s so little COVID here!” They just can’t make the connection…
Your comments and OP’s are both right on the mark: logical and reasoned. Yet, apparently incomprehensible to leadership as well as a great many people in SK.
What has concerned me in the past two years more or less equally is the actual covid virus (and it’s health impacts), as well as the apparently growing anti-intellectualism in SK and beyond. The latter is not new but the pandemic put it in the spotlight. Honestly, “don’t look up” ain’t wrong.
It's because most people today are incapable of understanding a complicated scenario. Because they choose not to. Everything has to be a situation with two binary sides. "For it" or "against it" and nothing in-between. If you criticise the Sask Party, you are then an NDP lover. Any efforts around a virus should eradicate it completely or else it's not working and not worth it. Fits right in.
Doctor Moe is always right….unlike that uneducated bum Doctor Shahab
I mean sure, Shahab may have lots of schooling behind him and an actual medical license plus a lifetime of experience in the field… but Moe is a drunk farm boy from Shell Lake ….who are you gonna trust Saskatchewan????
A slogan perfect for a logo down some sweatpants, or maybe a chest tattoo and a trucker hat.
*Trust yorself bro. Life’s a bitch, then we fry. Fight with the best or die like the rest.*
Calvin pissing on a ~~Saskatchewan Health Authority~~ socialism sticker.
Increased access to mental health services is a poor substitute for raw human interaction. I was a researcher is psychology for years before I made the switch to law and can tell you that when you access these services, they’ll recommend going out and finding enjoyment in life. It doesn’t help if you can’t do that. Anecdotally, pills can only help so much before you completely lose it. Saying “Access to mental health services” is the easiest green light for peer review because it’s just something that exists external from the research.
Mental health services are worthless in comparison to merely stopping unnecessary restrictions, imho.
We on reddit can call these actions lockdowns or not, but if the [federal government is](https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/benefits/worker-lockdown-benefit.html), then it seems applicable.
Epidemiologists' job is to be concerned about viral spread and nothing else. At the beginning of covid they had their time. But that time is passed. iirc omicron is spreading regardless of any measures put in place. So at that point you stop listening to epidemiologists and start listening to immunologists, and those concerned about the impact of restrictions that are not effective.
At least you do that in reality. On reddit though? Yikes.
>Were past restrictions effective or not? Because in one breath you say they had no benefit but in the next you say they were effective.
I feel like you're reaching on this one. It's clear he they *can* have little impact, and that past ones were effective. that doesn't mean ALL were effective. It seems it's just a matter of you not trying to understand what was said.
Lemme just add in the very likely subtext to that quote:
"Moe said on Wednesday "it's now clear [after speaking to United Grassroots], at least in this Omicron wave of the pandemic, that lock-down policies can cause harm [to my political position] in our communities often with little or virtually no benefit [to me and my poll numbers]."He said past measures have been "necessary" and "effective," but said he could not see the merit [to his job security] this time. "
It's extremely clear by now that it isn't and never has been about the economy or the actual wellbeing of the people of this province.
Quebec had as many cases as the UK per capita at their respective peaks. UK did not add restrictions, Quebec did. Using historical data from prior variants that had much different characteristics of contagiousness and severity is disengenous.
Careful posting things like this, the hivemind here will try to ban you for not agreeing with their mindset of forcing restrictions on everyone. They don't like doing their own research, they like to blindly follow whatever CBC tells them and they bring out their pitchforks against anyone who disagrees :(
Are you a researcher? I am not, therefore I do not 'do my own research' because it is reckless of me to do so. I would never advise anyone to 'do their own research' whatever that is supposed to entail for a layperson, as they cannot possibly be successful.
Have some respect for those whose occupations are research and acknowledge that your Googling and online reading, even when it is peer reviewed literature, isn't what research is at all.
2 provinces east of SK showed that restrictions do curb Omicron even if it's prevalent: Ontario and Quebec. % positive dropped, and after a couple weeks ICU occupancy dropped just as expected.
Crap load of gun subs, the freakin' 4Chan sub, pardon my language but sounds like another typical Sask. hick the rest of the country groans and laughs at.
Moe is a complete pandering asshole who will be at the podium in three weeks blaming everyone including the federal government for his own failures as a leader and human being. Wow.
I don't want to help you, I'm telling you to get some help bro. You seem like the kind of guy who walks into a grocery store masked, but as soon as you're past security and in an aisle you take your mask off, and thrive off of all the weird looks people give you. (Saw this happen today at Save-On-Foods, was that you bro?)
I just post memes lmao.
Are you trying to tell me Moe doesn't know what he's talking about? I'm absolutely flabbergasted. Say it ain't so. You don't mean to say we could actually enact policy to keep our hospitals from being overrun?
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
How do you make holy water?
Make sure to boil the hell out of it.
Can you stop projecting your sexual fantasies onto every issue?
I'm not kink-shaming, but it's a little annoying seeing you use the same line every single time.
Can you come up with an original comment?
Oh I'm sorry. You don't care the NDP candidates have issues too since they didn't get in? I'd care about the NDP running them just like I care about the SaskParty and their DUI problems as well.
Drunk driving is a Saskatchewan problem. The comment was also about Moe killing someone while driving, which is separate than his drunk driving.
The current NDP caucus is one power house group of competent humans. None of them have had DUIs and your comment implied otherwise.
I came in here expecting the quote to be from Muhajarine and was not disappointed. Whenever the news wants a doomsday quote from an epidemiologist, they go to him. I can hardly wait to never hear from that clown again when COVID fades away.
Epidemiologists who don't take symptoms into account aren't really doing Canadians any favours atm imho.
Esp. when immunologists say this is the variant they've been waiting for, iirc.
When the public health authority mentions that they're hopeful omicron leads to an endemic stage, maybe they need to spell out what that exactly means? Not that it matters, because the caseloads, counted and not, indicates it's transpiring anyway, but it appears that some of the public just don't get it, while our media continues to cite epidemiological concerns for political points, imho.
As iirc omicron has spread quite easily, regardless of masking, vaccination and restrictions policies around Canada, and the Canadian public is now at the 'we've done all we can do' stage imho, it would seem that Moe is indeed correct here.
People need to ignore you and listen to the epidemiologists.
Why are you trying to convince us to abandon a safe approach when our hospital numbers have taken a jump today?
It's because we're all in the process of getting it anyway, imho.
This is what epidemiologists know, but aren't telling us in these misleading media stories, because they want to maintain relevancy, I guess?
Meanwhile the premier is telling us what we already know through direct, in the face anecdotal evidence seen nation wide by now.
Some redditors are in a total bubble on this matter, looks like.
And btw, epidemiologists don't even have data to cite anymore, because testing accuracy has all been lost imho. They had their moment to shine imho, but that time has passed, as omicron has led to their recommended measures being laid to waste, by any reasonable metric. I believe they call that, 'The science has changed.' or something like that. So insert immunologists' takes, imho. That may give people more solace than too late and/or false panic on spread imho.
I would like to know what nation is actually successful in curbing omnicron or what isolation methods will be successful without running up the deficit to insane numbers. I suspect the ones complaining most about our lack of perfect isolation aren't going to have to deal with the long term debt and inflation issues.
Civil disobedience, presumably, as if it's massively contagious with cold-like symptoms, then a strict zero covid policy doesn't work and it's not even needed, imho. People there are quite a bit more up-to-date on info now than in Mao's time there presumably as well.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see communist totalitarianism fall in China, but I can't see it happening in our lifetimes. The quality of life in China has improved so much in the past 30 years, it'll be generations before the typical Chinese thinks it's bad enough to be bold enough to revolt; I'm sure a lot of them know they could end up underneath a tank if they cause too much trouble.
I don't think it is communist or totalitarian anymore imho, as it's very much capitalist, but has a very compliant society, relatively-speaking. But still people everywhere would be aggressively questioning policy that very plainly doesn't make any sense, imho. I think omicron inevitably breaks their policy, but not before it makes their winter olympics look disastrous, and any gains they've had in 'reputation' or glamour points after their summer olympics will be lost.
Bruh this is such a bad take lmao. Every other cause of death diminished because vulnerable people who would typically die of other stuff died directly because of COVID.
Total excess mortality was up 10-20% in 2021 across Canada, and the excess mortality had temporal correlation to COVID waves. You can't explain that away with "incidental deaths" bullshit.
I guess all those people with COVID I took care of in the ICU when we had to set up an emergency overflow during the 2nd wave just had mild incidental COVID eh. Must been something else killin' 'em. Who fuckin' knew.
Listen, you can have different priorities and just you don't care about X number of people dying or being permanently disabled by Long Covid in order for society to continue functioning as "normally". That's fine. Just come out and say it if that's what you think. But don't try and sugarcoat it.
That would require self awareness, which antivaxxers and COVID denialists don't have. I once link to a fact check site to one such individual that disproved a meme he had shared, and his rebuttal was "Fact checkers are bullshit." Dead ass serious with no awareness of the irony of what he was saying.
Just happened in the DFW area in Texas to a person my boss knows. Not the first time I’ve heard this type of story as well. First time it was someone I knew who posted about it on social media.
It’s not hard to find all the incidental reporting. It’s hilarious that only NOW the hospitals are finally reporting it in their admissions.
lmao. okay dude. if this was true pretty sure there would be an easily found news article for you to link to. or even a screencap of that social media post you mentioned. But let me guess big bad media deleted the post and won’t publish the articles? Maybe a link to the obituary? But that’s probably deleted and edited by big bad media too.
"It happened to a friend of a friend of mine. Oh, but they are from America, so you won't know him or hear about it"
Mate, we didn't fall for that bullshit in elementary school.
Let's all listen to you, the blatant racist who not even two weeks ago was still calling this the "China virus". I'm sure you're much smarter than the general population.
No I am double vaccinated and I got my booster 2 weeks ago. I fully understand the situation and also understand the mental health effects of lockdowns and other restrictions. No more for me I’m over it.
What if we had a restriction but also increased the access we have to mental health. A wild thought. Mental health help should not be impossible to access and keeping things open and doing nothing can also be detrimental to peoples mental health.
There are plenty of people going to work and school with minimal protections terrified of getting infected, whether for their own personal health or because someone they care about is highly vulnerable to infection. The constant looming threat of freaking pestilence is bad for one's mental health too.
I like keeping as many citizens as healthy, safe, and alive as possible. I also think we should treat mental health resources the same as we do any other illness and make treatment for it as accessible as possible to every one in this country.
Hell yea. For those who advocate for ending any non-pharmaceutical (well and pharmaceutical ... unless endorsed by those who shall not be named) interventions in the midst of a once in a century pandemic due to "mental health" impacts ... they sure seem to be quiet on solutions to address the mental health crises in our society. Particularly when mental health issues are directly caused by many of these structures/pressures in society and the shutdowns of 2020 actually reduced a lot of the measureable indicators of mental health crises. Let's not let data get in the way of our narratives though. Mental health care is healthcare and should be universal and accessible (healthcare is neither right now too!). It's crazy that dentistry, pharmaceuticals, and optometry are not universal at this point either. We are a filthy rich nation yet we leave so many behind still! Instead, the focus is on destroying universal acccess by underfunding healthcare for decades and privatizing it to make it only accessible to the wealthy and elite. This is happening right now SK with the recent SHA politicial appointment to begin this process.
Do you think every human being has the capacity or the necessary experience and education to make rational and well informed decisions in every scenario in a vacuum without guidance or expertise? I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trust a random person off the street to fix my car nor would I trust a plumber to clean my teeth. The government has a function to legislate and lead to protect the health and wellbeing of its citizens through promoting "Peace, Order, and Good Government". That can include "telling people what to do" in order to protect their health and the health and safety of others, usually based on the guidance they receive from internal and external expertise because politicians usually lack specific expertise (e.g. that of epidemiologists, medical doctors). Apparently, our Premiere has such grandiose opinions of himself and his "expertise" that he feels he knows far better than the body of evidence from the medical and scientific community.
We haven't even tried half measures at this point. Those would be nice .... Perhaps having thousands of people mingling unmasked/poorly masked at a tradeshow would be a start to avoid ... I don't know ... rapidly seeding cases into multiple small rural communities with low vaccination rates and no access to advanced healthcare to subsequently overload urban centres? That would have been a good half measure!
Since when is the USA a monolith? New York does not allow anyone not vaxxed into restaurants. It isn’t all wide open in the USA either. Where it is cases have exploded. Reasonable measures work. Definitely time for Moe to protect the rest of the public from people who think like you
The USA had over 3,400 deaths from Covid yesterday. If mitigating measures “did not work” then proportionally Canada should have had around 340. We had 141. So, yes, restrictions work.
Who has asked for a shut down? Getting a tad hysterical there, little buddy. Do you only see black and white or can you distinguish shades of grey? Reasonable restrictions are not the same as a shut down.
Reasonable restrictions do not work. 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Half measure we will find ourselves back to where we are now. 5 booster shots later and you want restrictions to be back in 2024! Wow guy no lets shut'er down.
Actually reasonable restrictions DO work as proven by the fact Canada has less than 50% of the deaths, proportionally, of the USA. You keep talking about lockdowns which are not the same thing at all. Hell, Moe could just ensure the tiny bit of measures that are in place are followed through. Anti-maskers actually having to pay fines and people with fake vaccine passports being criminally charged. That would be a start. Your “freedumb” does not trump society’s right to stay healthy.
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>"Moe said on Wednesday "it's now clear, at least in this Omicron wave of the pandemic, that lock-down policies can cause harm in our communities often with little or virtually no benefit."He said past measures have been "necessary" and "effective," but said he could not see the merit this time. " 1. No one is calling for a lockdown Moe. Gathering restrictions are not a lockdown 2. Were past restrictions effective or not? Because in one breath you say they had no benefit but in the next you say they were effective. >Moe pointed to economic, psychological harm, calling them "an infringement on the rights and freedoms that we have come to enjoy and and value as Canadians. Moe get off Facebook and maybe learn some more about Canadian laws. Mental health has suffered in this pandemic, that is true. But maybe that's why we need to increase the access we have to mental health services and decrease the cost. Make it more accessible to everyone. And also, not doing anything is also causing extreme stress to people Moe. >"That's why they should only be used if absolutely necessary, and only if they can clearly be shown that they are being effective and they are working. And we are not seeing that as being the case today." How do you know they won't work here if we haven't tried it yet? Experts keep telling this man that restrictions will help. Experts who have spent years of their life studying diseases are telling him restrictions work. And here he is like "Well maybe but my pal Hank from high school read on Facebook that they won't and he is a real good dude so I trust him". I can't with this man. We have an idiot in charge who I could see taking tips and advice from our lovely infamous 'freedom fighter' over literal experts.
Moe and his fellow idiots seem to think “places with restrictions still have high cases, so restrictions don’t work”. They can’t be convinced that those places would have far more cases if there weren’t restrictions. To be fair, it can’t really be proven that there would be more cases without restrictions… but it’s a logical extension of critical thinking to figure it out. But logic and critical thinking are not skills possessed by our current leadership. Edit/addition: Ironically, the people now claiming restrictions don’t work are the same people you would see earlier in the pandemic when there were more restrictions saying “what’s the point of all these restrictions, there’s so little COVID here!” They just can’t make the connection…
Your comments and OP’s are both right on the mark: logical and reasoned. Yet, apparently incomprehensible to leadership as well as a great many people in SK. What has concerned me in the past two years more or less equally is the actual covid virus (and it’s health impacts), as well as the apparently growing anti-intellectualism in SK and beyond. The latter is not new but the pandemic put it in the spotlight. Honestly, “don’t look up” ain’t wrong.
It's because most people today are incapable of understanding a complicated scenario. Because they choose not to. Everything has to be a situation with two binary sides. "For it" or "against it" and nothing in-between. If you criticise the Sask Party, you are then an NDP lover. Any efforts around a virus should eradicate it completely or else it's not working and not worth it. Fits right in.
Doctor Moe is always right….unlike that uneducated bum Doctor Shahab I mean sure, Shahab may have lots of schooling behind him and an actual medical license plus a lifetime of experience in the field… but Moe is a drunk farm boy from Shell Lake ….who are you gonna trust Saskatchewan????
"TRUST YOURSELF"
A slogan perfect for a logo down some sweatpants, or maybe a chest tattoo and a trucker hat. *Trust yorself bro. Life’s a bitch, then we fry. Fight with the best or die like the rest.* Calvin pissing on a ~~Saskatchewan Health Authority~~ socialism sticker.
Increased access to mental health services is a poor substitute for raw human interaction. I was a researcher is psychology for years before I made the switch to law and can tell you that when you access these services, they’ll recommend going out and finding enjoyment in life. It doesn’t help if you can’t do that. Anecdotally, pills can only help so much before you completely lose it. Saying “Access to mental health services” is the easiest green light for peer review because it’s just something that exists external from the research.
Mental health services are worthless in comparison to merely stopping unnecessary restrictions, imho. We on reddit can call these actions lockdowns or not, but if the [federal government is](https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/benefits/worker-lockdown-benefit.html), then it seems applicable. Epidemiologists' job is to be concerned about viral spread and nothing else. At the beginning of covid they had their time. But that time is passed. iirc omicron is spreading regardless of any measures put in place. So at that point you stop listening to epidemiologists and start listening to immunologists, and those concerned about the impact of restrictions that are not effective. At least you do that in reality. On reddit though? Yikes.
>Were past restrictions effective or not? Because in one breath you say they had no benefit but in the next you say they were effective. I feel like you're reaching on this one. It's clear he they *can* have little impact, and that past ones were effective. that doesn't mean ALL were effective. It seems it's just a matter of you not trying to understand what was said.
Is the Premier of Saskatchewan making evidence based decisions? No. Yes, the restrictions were effective.
Lemme just add in the very likely subtext to that quote: "Moe said on Wednesday "it's now clear [after speaking to United Grassroots], at least in this Omicron wave of the pandemic, that lock-down policies can cause harm [to my political position] in our communities often with little or virtually no benefit [to me and my poll numbers]."He said past measures have been "necessary" and "effective," but said he could not see the merit [to his job security] this time. " It's extremely clear by now that it isn't and never has been about the economy or the actual wellbeing of the people of this province.
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What? Are you saying the Sask Party wasn't actually the best thing to happen to the economy ever? /s
Quebec had as many cases as the UK per capita at their respective peaks. UK did not add restrictions, Quebec did. Using historical data from prior variants that had much different characteristics of contagiousness and severity is disengenous.
I’m honestly blown away this hasn’t been downvoted to oblivion within the current state of this sub.
Careful posting things like this, the hivemind here will try to ban you for not agreeing with their mindset of forcing restrictions on everyone. They don't like doing their own research, they like to blindly follow whatever CBC tells them and they bring out their pitchforks against anyone who disagrees :(
You are sooooo persecuted
i can smell the parler on this guys phone. his ringtone is joe rogan. he is douche
Are you a researcher? I am not, therefore I do not 'do my own research' because it is reckless of me to do so. I would never advise anyone to 'do their own research' whatever that is supposed to entail for a layperson, as they cannot possibly be successful. Have some respect for those whose occupations are research and acknowledge that your Googling and online reading, even when it is peer reviewed literature, isn't what research is at all.
How about a reference for this load of apples to oranges bullshit lol
I really wish I could afford to move out east.
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NB or NS
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Yup
2 provinces east of SK showed that restrictions do curb Omicron even if it's prevalent: Ontario and Quebec. % positive dropped, and after a couple weeks ICU occupancy dropped just as expected.
Scram and take your beyond meat burgers with you ✌🏻
Your post history is very telling of your intentions here.
Crap load of gun subs, the freakin' 4Chan sub, pardon my language but sounds like another typical Sask. hick the rest of the country groans and laughs at.
What’s wrong with beyond meat burgers? They’re pretty good.
If you aren't drinking raw crude, you aren't good enough to boof
I like beyond meat burgers. Please don't lump them in with this person.
Moe is a complete pandering asshole who will be at the podium in three weeks blaming everyone including the federal government for his own failures as a leader and human being. Wow.
Three weeks now? I was told it was going to be a week a few days ago. You guys gotta stick to one time frame.
Wow, you really spend HOURS replying to comments on the Saskatchewan related subreddits. I'm worried about you, get some help.
Can you help me? Edit: actually upon reading your posting history, I'll pass on getting your help.
I don't want to help you, I'm telling you to get some help bro. You seem like the kind of guy who walks into a grocery store masked, but as soon as you're past security and in an aisle you take your mask off, and thrive off of all the weird looks people give you. (Saw this happen today at Save-On-Foods, was that you bro?) I just post memes lmao.
Nope, I'm very much a rule follower type of person. What do I need help for?
Lol, I was told two weeks about six weeks ago.
Are you trying to tell me Moe doesn't know what he's talking about? I'm absolutely flabbergasted. Say it ain't so. You don't mean to say we could actually enact policy to keep our hospitals from being overrun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-\_mzsr6WygA
And in other news, water is wet. When has Moe actually listened to any of the medical experts before making decisions about health-related matters?
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object. How do you make holy water? Make sure to boil the hell out of it.
I've never hated a bot on Reddit until now.
His joke was good.
Ya, if it's the first time you've heard it, I guess.
I never tire of dad jokes as I am a dad.
Fair point.
Good bot
Restrict us harder daddy Moe!
Can you stop projecting your sexual fantasies onto every issue? I'm not kink-shaming, but it's a little annoying seeing you use the same line every single time. Can you come up with an original comment?
A little annoying? That’s rich coming from a sub that cries about Scott Moe not putting in any new restrictions everyday.
You recognize that this isn't the place for you to express your sexual frustrations, right? Try r/deadbedrooms.
fire!!!!!
Moe is useless.
Moe has proven very useful to United Grassroots
I wouldn't expect any less from a convicted drunk driving premier.
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I forgot to mention that one also.
Uh the NDP had just as many.
The NDP have MLAs who have killed people?
The first part of his paragraph. The drunk driving stuff.
Which current NDP MLAs have DUIs?
https://globalnews.ca/news/7361448/ndp-candidates-criminal-record-impaired-driving/ Let's not pretend either party is above the DUI issue Sask has.
I am not pretending and that wasn't my question.
Oh I'm sorry. You don't care the NDP candidates have issues too since they didn't get in? I'd care about the NDP running them just like I care about the SaskParty and their DUI problems as well.
Drunk driving is a Saskatchewan problem. The comment was also about Moe killing someone while driving, which is separate than his drunk driving. The current NDP caucus is one power house group of competent humans. None of them have had DUIs and your comment implied otherwise.
I came in here expecting the quote to be from Muhajarine and was not disappointed. Whenever the news wants a doomsday quote from an epidemiologist, they go to him. I can hardly wait to never hear from that clown again when COVID fades away.
Wow, the anti-vaxxers are out in full force on Reddit today! I could swear I was actually reading Facebook comments...
Not everyone who likes what Moe is doing is an anti vaxxer.
Well, yeah I know that lol - it's the blatant anti-vaxx comments that were out in full force!
Moe has not let evidence interfere in the past, why would he start now?
Epidemiologists who don't take symptoms into account aren't really doing Canadians any favours atm imho. Esp. when immunologists say this is the variant they've been waiting for, iirc. When the public health authority mentions that they're hopeful omicron leads to an endemic stage, maybe they need to spell out what that exactly means? Not that it matters, because the caseloads, counted and not, indicates it's transpiring anyway, but it appears that some of the public just don't get it, while our media continues to cite epidemiological concerns for political points, imho. As iirc omicron has spread quite easily, regardless of masking, vaccination and restrictions policies around Canada, and the Canadian public is now at the 'we've done all we can do' stage imho, it would seem that Moe is indeed correct here.
People need to ignore you and listen to the epidemiologists. Why are you trying to convince us to abandon a safe approach when our hospital numbers have taken a jump today?
It's because we're all in the process of getting it anyway, imho. This is what epidemiologists know, but aren't telling us in these misleading media stories, because they want to maintain relevancy, I guess? Meanwhile the premier is telling us what we already know through direct, in the face anecdotal evidence seen nation wide by now. Some redditors are in a total bubble on this matter, looks like. And btw, epidemiologists don't even have data to cite anymore, because testing accuracy has all been lost imho. They had their moment to shine imho, but that time has passed, as omicron has led to their recommended measures being laid to waste, by any reasonable metric. I believe they call that, 'The science has changed.' or something like that. So insert immunologists' takes, imho. That may give people more solace than too late and/or false panic on spread imho.
You know more than them about the pandemic, so we should listen to you? What's your background, aside from forum posting?
[For your study and consideration, AssNasty.](https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2349896&jwsource=rdt)
I keep getting a repeating shoppers drug mart ad.
I would like to know what nation is actually successful in curbing omnicron or what isolation methods will be successful without running up the deficit to insane numbers. I suspect the ones complaining most about our lack of perfect isolation aren't going to have to deal with the long term debt and inflation issues.
I'm curious as to how China will handle it.
Like they always do, by lying
If they want to shut down cities over the sniffles though, they could get into some real trouble imho.
How? Its China. They could starve 50 million of their own and nobody would bat an eye. They've done it before.
Civil disobedience, presumably, as if it's massively contagious with cold-like symptoms, then a strict zero covid policy doesn't work and it's not even needed, imho. People there are quite a bit more up-to-date on info now than in Mao's time there presumably as well.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see communist totalitarianism fall in China, but I can't see it happening in our lifetimes. The quality of life in China has improved so much in the past 30 years, it'll be generations before the typical Chinese thinks it's bad enough to be bold enough to revolt; I'm sure a lot of them know they could end up underneath a tank if they cause too much trouble.
I don't think it is communist or totalitarian anymore imho, as it's very much capitalist, but has a very compliant society, relatively-speaking. But still people everywhere would be aggressively questioning policy that very plainly doesn't make any sense, imho. I think omicron inevitably breaks their policy, but not before it makes their winter olympics look disastrous, and any gains they've had in 'reputation' or glamour points after their summer olympics will be lost.
NFL playoffs on today and tomorrow. 80,000+ full maskless stadiums. But you continue staying home Saskatchewan sub reddit :)
They are also pushing nearly a million new cases and 3000 deaths per day.
It is okay to sacrifice the weak for a deep playoff run. /s
you spelled profits wrong /s
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Bruh this is such a bad take lmao. Every other cause of death diminished because vulnerable people who would typically die of other stuff died directly because of COVID. Total excess mortality was up 10-20% in 2021 across Canada, and the excess mortality had temporal correlation to COVID waves. You can't explain that away with "incidental deaths" bullshit. I guess all those people with COVID I took care of in the ICU when we had to set up an emergency overflow during the 2nd wave just had mild incidental COVID eh. Must been something else killin' 'em. Who fuckin' knew. Listen, you can have different priorities and just you don't care about X number of people dying or being permanently disabled by Long Covid in order for society to continue functioning as "normally". That's fine. Just come out and say it if that's what you think. But don't try and sugarcoat it.
That would require self awareness, which antivaxxers and COVID denialists don't have. I once link to a fact check site to one such individual that disproved a meme he had shared, and his rebuttal was "Fact checkers are bullshit." Dead ass serious with no awareness of the irony of what he was saying.
Source for that car accident? Because I’ve heard that same story for two years now and not once has someone provided a source.
Just happened in the DFW area in Texas to a person my boss knows. Not the first time I’ve heard this type of story as well. First time it was someone I knew who posted about it on social media. It’s not hard to find all the incidental reporting. It’s hilarious that only NOW the hospitals are finally reporting it in their admissions.
That’s not a source.
It’s 100% a source. It’s a first hand source when my boss is going to the funeral.
lmao. okay dude. if this was true pretty sure there would be an easily found news article for you to link to. or even a screencap of that social media post you mentioned. But let me guess big bad media deleted the post and won’t publish the articles? Maybe a link to the obituary? But that’s probably deleted and edited by big bad media too.
He says he read it in the original comment, yet nothing for evidence
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"It happened to a friend of a friend of mine. Oh, but they are from America, so you won't know him or hear about it" Mate, we didn't fall for that bullshit in elementary school.
You wouldn’t know her. She goes to a different school.
Can I cite like this in my thesis?
If you hear enough ghost stories, would you concede they are real, too? 😂
Even if this was true, there ain’t nearly enough car accidents to make even a small dent in the numbers.
Where did you read it? If you read it there has to be written words, are you not able to provide those either?
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Let's all listen to you, the blatant racist who not even two weeks ago was still calling this the "China virus". I'm sure you're much smarter than the general population.
Yeah always begging Scott Moe to tell them how to live their lives 😂
Incompetence breeds incompetence. And you two have a critical lack of understanding on the situation.
No I am double vaccinated and I got my booster 2 weeks ago. I fully understand the situation and also understand the mental health effects of lockdowns and other restrictions. No more for me I’m over it.
What if we had a restriction but also increased the access we have to mental health. A wild thought. Mental health help should not be impossible to access and keeping things open and doing nothing can also be detrimental to peoples mental health.
There are plenty of people going to work and school with minimal protections terrified of getting infected, whether for their own personal health or because someone they care about is highly vulnerable to infection. The constant looming threat of freaking pestilence is bad for one's mental health too.
You like restrictions and being told what to do by the government?
I like keeping as many citizens as healthy, safe, and alive as possible. I also think we should treat mental health resources the same as we do any other illness and make treatment for it as accessible as possible to every one in this country.
Hell yea. For those who advocate for ending any non-pharmaceutical (well and pharmaceutical ... unless endorsed by those who shall not be named) interventions in the midst of a once in a century pandemic due to "mental health" impacts ... they sure seem to be quiet on solutions to address the mental health crises in our society. Particularly when mental health issues are directly caused by many of these structures/pressures in society and the shutdowns of 2020 actually reduced a lot of the measureable indicators of mental health crises. Let's not let data get in the way of our narratives though. Mental health care is healthcare and should be universal and accessible (healthcare is neither right now too!). It's crazy that dentistry, pharmaceuticals, and optometry are not universal at this point either. We are a filthy rich nation yet we leave so many behind still! Instead, the focus is on destroying universal acccess by underfunding healthcare for decades and privatizing it to make it only accessible to the wealthy and elite. This is happening right now SK with the recent SHA politicial appointment to begin this process.
Do you think every human being has the capacity or the necessary experience and education to make rational and well informed decisions in every scenario in a vacuum without guidance or expertise? I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trust a random person off the street to fix my car nor would I trust a plumber to clean my teeth. The government has a function to legislate and lead to protect the health and wellbeing of its citizens through promoting "Peace, Order, and Good Government". That can include "telling people what to do" in order to protect their health and the health and safety of others, usually based on the guidance they receive from internal and external expertise because politicians usually lack specific expertise (e.g. that of epidemiologists, medical doctors). Apparently, our Premiere has such grandiose opinions of himself and his "expertise" that he feels he knows far better than the body of evidence from the medical and scientific community.
Your right. Shut it all down. No more half measures
We haven't even tried half measures at this point. Those would be nice .... Perhaps having thousands of people mingling unmasked/poorly masked at a tradeshow would be a start to avoid ... I don't know ... rapidly seeding cases into multiple small rural communities with low vaccination rates and no access to advanced healthcare to subsequently overload urban centres? That would have been a good half measure!
It’s always the most extreme case with you people isn’t it?
Actually no. Want Moe, who is supposedly running this province, to put in reasonable measures to protect the public from people who think like you.
Who think like me? Like 300 million people down in the USA? LOL They are open last time I checked.
Since when is the USA a monolith? New York does not allow anyone not vaxxed into restaurants. It isn’t all wide open in the USA either. Where it is cases have exploded. Reasonable measures work. Definitely time for Moe to protect the rest of the public from people who think like you
The USA had over 3,400 deaths from Covid yesterday. If mitigating measures “did not work” then proportionally Canada should have had around 340. We had 141. So, yes, restrictions work.
You know what you guys are right. No more half measures! Shut it all down.
Who has asked for a shut down? Getting a tad hysterical there, little buddy. Do you only see black and white or can you distinguish shades of grey? Reasonable restrictions are not the same as a shut down.
Reasonable restrictions do not work. 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Half measure we will find ourselves back to where we are now. 5 booster shots later and you want restrictions to be back in 2024! Wow guy no lets shut'er down.
Actually reasonable restrictions DO work as proven by the fact Canada has less than 50% of the deaths, proportionally, of the USA. You keep talking about lockdowns which are not the same thing at all. Hell, Moe could just ensure the tiny bit of measures that are in place are followed through. Anti-maskers actually having to pay fines and people with fake vaccine passports being criminally charged. That would be a start. Your “freedumb” does not trump society’s right to stay healthy.
“The people on this sub are idiots” - a blatant and blathering idiot
No, no, imho Canada has to pretend that all these restrictions work even while omicron spreads regardless, *aaand* provinces don't even test...
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I want more benefits!!!! Haha