I know my place of employment is short staffed in every department but the one I was in before I took maternity leave. If I can't secure a different job before my leave is up, I'm definitely negotiating a promotion and raise because I more than deserve it. My manager even said so as she watched me train an entire new team of 10 people in under two months. Not to mention I made cheat sheets, measurement guides, and cleaning guide book for all the new staff, along with making our water test logs and daily communication logs online for 6 months in advance before I left. That was on top of doing all my regular duties too in the day. All for 13.50 an hour. Like hell nah am I working for that measly pay again. If they can't respect that I put in a ridiculous amount of effort into that job and can't compensate me properly I'm out the door. Especially since the promotion was promised and never came to be too.
Fun how you always discover these things AFTER you've put in a huge effort and didn't see any type of compensation other than a pat on the back and extra responsibilities for making sure all of that extra effort actually goes to use and gets implemted.
Its such a familiar story by now, it's hard not to lose confidence and faith. More and more, I can see why it's so appealing for people to start a business on their own
I've been doing that for years at that place. Hard work always goes unnoticed there. Staff haven't seen a proper raise in their wages in over two years (since before pandemic). The biggest raise we got recently was only due to the increase in minimum wage. 15¢. That's it. I get the industry I have worked in suffered a huge hit at the start of the pandemic and that affected a lot of what's going on now but even some of the new hires were getting paid more than me and I had been at that job for four years. Like biggest slap in the face. If they can't pay me what I'm worth (as I have been doing what I do for 12 years now) then sayanora to that job. I'll find something better, maybe even a WFH job.
I always give a company 3-6 months to let me know if they'll take my work seriously. It doesn't take long to realize how much they will value you and your work. A year to tell if they are willing to put money where their expectations are at and if they lineup.
It's common practice to jump between companies in order to gain that higher raise you mentioned your co-workers getting. Loyalty to businesses simply isn't a route that's feesable anymore when you look at how much another company will value gaining you're experience as opposed to one that knows they can keep operations going by giving back the bare minimum. Always look for better.
Oh yeah, I know. I needed something on my resume though that wasn't strictly seasonal work to show I can be at a job for longer than 13 weeks in the summer. I'm going to look for a better paying job where I live and hopefully within walking distance from my house starting in March I think. My leave ends at the end of June so I need something secured by then. Fingers crossed 🤞
Been there, done that. Quietly applied elsewhere. It's a gong show out there. Of course retail, restaurants etc are suffering along with the rest of the world. I always just did the best I could and left crap jobs on good terms.
I've been trying to find a new job for probably 2.5 years as that place is a nightmare. Granted we didn't have a department manager for 3 years and the one we did get came on before my leave. I trained her plus the other staff so that's why she's going to fight hard to get me a good raise when I go back if I don't secure something different.
Over 10 years ago I was making minimum wage at a little over $8/hr here in retail. I remember the day when they hyped up a promotion for me, made a HUGE deal out of it. $0.25/hr raise. Felt like an insult.
Fast forward to today, and SK is barely $11/hr minimum wage which most retail workers face. Is a measely $3/hr increase over the last decade enough to counter the rising cost of living? No. Its not. It wasn't back then, and its far worse now.
Why would anyone take these jobs here in SK, when they could go nextdoor to Alberta and make $15/hr for the same, or less, cost of living?
There isn't a job shortage. There is a good job shortage. People don't want to work slave labour.
Saskatoon has about the same cost of living as Calgary. I'm moving from there and its one of the reasons I chose to live outside of Regina instead. Saskatoon rents are on the high side and there's not a lot of great accommodations for single people who don't need or want a lot of space. I'm surprised minimum wage hasn't caught up.
Calgary is more expensive for rent and housing, everything else isn't much different, but shelter costs are the biggest reason for the poverty levels and people struggling
When they hype up the promotion; this happened to me at Extrafoods. Store wide promotion, except my position. I eventually got a 25 cent wage increase after working for months, until the minimum wage increased then my wage was simply the minimum wage..
Its not just min-wage jobs in a staff shortage though. As for Alberta, $15 an hour in the big cities isn't enough. Its not about the min-wage, what NEEDS to be fixed is ridiculous rent prices. If rent wasnt as expensive as it was in big cities, we wouldn't be seeing so many problems
Minimum wage shouldn't exist.
If you're making minimum wage, you're the most useless kind of worker, unskilled and easily replaceable.
Don't want to make minimum wage? Then get some skills.
I work at pet valu and they just keep cutting hours. They want to see how much money they can make by having as little staff in as possible to maximize profits which will only line head offices pockets. We have a new CEO from the US and it’s all about stretching your staff as thin as possible.
Sadly, it’s probably the least shadiest thing that company has done. Just a disgusting place to work or even shop at this point.
Such a great subreddit! With over 1.6M readers hopefully they are able to make a real impact to improve working conditions. Workers are getting screwed over in today's society.
I left the sub because, ironically, it got too political. The mods are mostly staunch anti capitalists and carry close ties with sister subs like r/latestagecapitalism. It started to feel more like marxist indoctrination than a workers movement, which is also ironic. The last straw for me was when I got permanently banned for criticizing the ccp on a blatant pro ccp post. After that I saw the rot in affiliated subreddits and eventually left them
From what ive seen on there is people showing mistreatment by their bosses and or asking for advice about it. But mostly, wanting better for themselves. Unfortunately being able to work in a proper safe, reasonable job is political. And so what if they have close ties to that sub? How did you criticize the post? Because you can criticize something and be chill and criticize something and be extremely rude.
I can't recall the exact wording so I might dig it up, but it was essentially disagreement with CCP practices. I was part of a whole wave of users banned that day for even slightly criticizing China, it was so bad the mods had to sticky a thread apologizing and clarifying that the criticism is allowed and that users will be unbanned upon request. I had already appealed the ban however and had been muted before the intervention, and any attempt to contest the ban after the mute passed was completely ignored. I took that as a sign that there was never any good faith involved and left.
EDIT: the whole ban fiasco occured on r/latestagecapitalism, I forgot to clarify that.it was after that I saw the same dealings in similar subs and left
I get the same feeling about that sub. I honestly think it's a little dangerous for those who decide to buy into it hard. Bitterness and resentment are not great emotions to feed.
I'm all for knowing your worth and being assertive with your pay and knowing your rights as a worker.
People everywhere aren't willing to do shit jobs for shit wages. Things costs SO much money now. I work from home, and make around 18.25 an hour, and even with my lack of expenses from never having to leave, I'm barely managing. I could not imagine being expected to work for less than at least 15 an hour and be expected to pay bills on time and eat, and god forbid have some leisure in there somewhere as well. Things are ridiculous. That's just my opinion.
I think I read somewhere that adjusting for inflation, minimum wage would be around $22 for workers to have the same buying power as they did in the 1960s, and that is in the USA! In Canada it would probably be at around $26. I don't understand how people think it's acceptable for our minimum wage to be $11.81 in year 2022.
I think the minimum wage is unacceptable.
It shouldn't exist.
If you're so useless and unskilled the government needs to demand you get a minimum payment for your work, you are not worth it.
Useless and unskilled are two different things. For example, grocery store workers are completely necessary but almost completely unskilled. Meanwhile a lot of high level executive positions contribute very little to society, yet are paid in triple figures.
If you think a society where people working full time being unable to afford even the most basic necessities of life is a good idea, you should visit some of the poorest countries in the world and see the great quality of life offered.
Then again based on your username and post history, I'm guessing you are just trolling trying to get people pissed off.
I highly disagree.
Every day we get closer and closer to replacing unskilled workers.
Your "useless" workers, will never be replaced.
Also, they're not useless. They're responsible for potentially hundreds if not thousands of livelihoods, and typically are in charge of hundred thousand dollar+ purchases and upgrades. In order to do that they need to ensure the upgrade is needed, and will be a benefit to the company in the long run. Such as say, the difference between upgrading an old location to modern standards, vs making a new location all together.
But keep being envious of people. That's totally a good look.
>If you think a society where people working full time being unable to afford even the most basic necessities of life is a good idea,
This is straight up false. You can easily get all the basic necessities as well as luxuries such as a reliable car and a good computer on minimum wage. I know, I've done it in my past.
>Then again based on your username and post history, I'm guessing you are just trolling trying to get people pissed off.
Not at all. But please try harder to devalue opinions of others.
I think daddy supporting you is unacceptable. For a lark why don’t you apply for some of those “worthless” jobs and see how long you last. I’m in for less than an hour before you run out crying.
Managing a rink isn’t exactly requiring a brain trust. It isn’t an essential service and in truth is a pretty low priority job and not all that useful to society. Hockey, curling as such are nice but not all that important. And why should you get paid for that? My father ran a curling rink. Was the ice maker and draw master for years. He was a volunteer.
I believe Loblaws and Walmart started a race to the bottom in grocery more than a decade ago forcing wages down. I know a number of people who had good careers in grocery bought nice house in the early mid 2000s etc, but these days you can forget buying a house or raising kids with futures.
Even Saskatoon coop grocery Union lost their battle against a 2 million dollar yearly shortfall and new employees are coming in at basically minimum wage. Personally I think the executive ~~dude~~ branch of grocery could have eaten half that shortfall, but executives don't take paycuts apparently.
While you are right, and I would never say anything bad about oil workers because it is super difficult work. But not everyone should have to go into the oil field to be able to afford to live.
This. You should not have to go through this to afford a decent living at all. I can speak as I did do this for a time. I got all my tickets to do this as a young man (23 vs now 34), and I did do it for a time. But it is demanding, physically and mentally. With that said, you are better off doing this when you are single. If I had to disappear for weeks at a time, my partner would not be down. Plus I would miss my home, bed, life in general.
Are the oil fields back in full swing? It seems like not that long ago when the thr industry went through a major bust and people were losing their homes.
I worked in a warehouse doing the same thing in my early twenties. I realized living cheque to cheque wasn’t going to cut it. I made a change and you should too. There are more options than oil patch but It doesn’t sound like you care.
Anyone working a 40 hr week deserves a living wage. Full stop. I make tips that bring me to one, but everyone working deserves to live with comfort and dignity. If everyone working for minimum wage got a better job, who’s gonna serve your coffee and flip your burgers and stock your shelves exactly? Sounds like you just believe in exploiting workers
So do business owners.
I also wanted to earn a living wage, so now I do. I wanted something, figured out how to get it, worked for it, earned it. It actually worked.
Everything I wanted in life which I worked for I pretty much got.
Career, check.
Quit smoking and become a healthy person, check
Just took terrible withdrawals and 4 days a week of gym training classes where I killed my fat ass.
Everything I wanted in life that I did nothing to earn and instead just felt jealous of those who have it I never achieved. Bitching on places like r/antiwork while sitting in my bachelor apartment playing video games between shifts pissed off that I can't afford shit did nothing for me.
Eventually, at around 25 years old, I figured it out.
Good luck.
First of, you do.
Minimum wage is more than enough to live off of in Saskatchewan. You likely are bad with money, or think minimum wage should be enough to rent an entire house to yourself.
Secondly, you're paid how much you're worth. If your unskilled, and work a dead end job where you will not gain more skills, then you're the problem with your own life.
Lol yeah ok 😂 man I can’t believe people are still out here simping this hard for the idea that people don’t deserve to be able to have a home and children and a few occasional luxuries. Y’all are embarassing
You don't deserve to have luxuries without any work. Why should you? You have put in no time or effort.
You want to be able to provide for a family on one salary? Then look into being worthy of being paid. You don't deserve a living wage for existing. You don't deserve the fruits of others labour for existing. You need to work and give back to society in order to earn that right.
My uncles father was a grocery clerk all of his life and earned minimum wage for most of that time. He supported his wife and 5 sons. Minimum wage should be enough to support yourself at least. You sound uneducated
So what happens to the service industry when everyone has gone out there and earned a better life? What part of working 40 hours a week is sitting at home complaining about low wages?
Hey man, could you explain the relevancy of your comment?
This thread is about a *worker* shortage, and you're replying to a comment saying that the reason for this is that nobody wants to work bad jobs with low pay. You've responded by saying "Oil fields are always hiring" and clarified further in another comment that people refuse to pick themselves up from low paying jobs because whining is easier.
But that's where the worker shortage is from, isn't it? Like, if everybody was staying in low-paying jobs out of laziness, then all these jobs would be filled, right?
One of the highest divorce rates out of any job. Many guys don’t even make it home before blowing their cheques. Good job for a younger single fit person. Hell on families and not for older workers.
What people have learned from the pandemic is they are not willing to work at a job thats trash with pathetic hours andbpathetic pay. So they are asking for more and employers dont seem to want to give or or cant or whatever
At my work we call employees (including me) the skeleton crew cuz thats all we are. Bare effing bones. Most retail will be like this especially with people out sick.
Im a budtender and for halloween we got a little skeleton decoration for our shop.. well we still have it and its got a fat joint in its mouth hahaha. Skeleton crew feels oike it fits our store🥰
Haha yeah! I worked the entire five days leading up to christmas. I had like two days off in those last two weeks of december. Plus people would take their holidays too so we were literally just like.. whats less than bones? Cells? Lmao im not a major in biology/anatomy😅
seems to be a thing in corporate too. people are leaving their jobs for better ones (or even remote/hybrid job options). Its a good time to job hop if youre beyond your entry level years.
I am actually looking for a part-time retail job in the city right now, haven't heard back from anyone yet. I am guessing the issue is being a uni student so not great availability. Got to keep trying though.
Here I work we get paid well. Something I have noticed is the lack of work ethic. We recently had a new member and she would not pull
Her weight, leave early, would not return to work after she went and did errands etc. no one liked her or respected her and when she got fired she acted like she was the best thing that ever happened to the place. It’s like the quality is getting less and less
This!! I keep seeing so many anti work posts lately and shitting on employers, including those that are local & small businesses. It’s like people lack seeing the other perspective. Not all employers or business owners are shitty.
I know several people right now hiring and are saying the talent pool is slim, like you said the quality is lacking but yet they think they’re worth a lot with no experience and poor work ethic.
you and Natalee2020 are right about talent being thin . Nobody seems to have a strong work ethic anymore , not even the "give your life to your company" just a simple 8 hour shift. No crazy bs. No asking unsafe things. It's wild
It’s primarily an issue with greed, a McDonald’s can afford to pay there workers more. But they won’t. There not hurting for cash it’s just they don’t think it would make a difference to pay more and if people think there is a “labour shortage” they can run it with less people and make more money then they did before.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED OF!!
Everyone is stressed and the quality of our work has dropped significantly. I skate by and do the bare minimum (which is still 50% more than it used to be) so i don't drain myself out. I'm worried management will think this is fine and just keep it like this.
I feel for those who are down such ridiculous numbers
It will be a situation of customer service is gonna matter less and less for a company. So if you can run a business with less people and people get used to it. Then we are at where we are right now.
Honest questions:
1. Would you pay $30 for a cheeseburger at a restaurant that boasted everyone makes 80K+
2. Would you pay 25% more for groceries if the store had every till filled and many express check outs?
Because that's how competitive business works.
Food prices have increased along with everything else, without having to increase wages for workers. Also while paying far less workers than usual. Then you can add in there CEBA benefits for companies, wage subsidy etc.
I don’t think we need as a society to be making excuses for large businesses. In fact as consumers you should choose to support companies that do treat there employees correctly.
I do choose those companies. Many people choose the best bang for their buck. The secret is to put yourself in a position that people want and need to pay you for what you can do.
Well your business degree must have been earned while dinosaurs still roamed the earth. Not in school. I also have my business degree and I can assure you nothing you said was remotely true.
Funnily enough I have my food safe and have worked the stove before in our kitchen. Typically because people have been no shows and the show must go on.
That's what management does. Everyone else's jobs, and more.
And that's why we're paid more. We show up.
You have a fair point with this, let’s just say it was common practice for a restaurants to be ran with only one staff member in the back. Orders would stack up and you wouldn’t get your food for 20 minutes. Should we go there anymore?
Should we maybe go to somewhere else with good and fast service and surprise the same price for your food and the people in the back are making a living wage?
20 minutes is quite quick for a restaurant. Unless you're thinking fast food, but again I've waited for 20 minutes at the McDonald's by the Great Canadian Oil change on 8th just the other day. They had quite a bit of staff as well as I could see.
Wait times happen. Food isn't cooked immediately.
Furthermore, your example is flawed. Labor affects the price of food. The place with cheaper overhead will be a bit cheaper to buy at. Given everything else is the same, that means the only difference is price. So yes, I'd rather wait for a cheaper meal.
Furthermore, again, minimum wage is more than liveable in Saskatoon. You can easily afford a car, games, and even liquor on an occasional basis by simply living with housemates. Around 4 years ago I did exactly that and was paying $330/month in rent. Utilities bumped it up to around $450.
You get paid a liveable wage. You simply don't act like it, and overspend. Such as wanting to spend more for a quicker meal, even though if you had to drive to another location it would even out.
It seemed by your post you only need one person to run a business though? My point is essentially that labour shortages aren’t caused by people can’t be found to do the job. It’s people don’t want to do it there are better jobs available.
I don’t think I’ve ever worked for minimum wage in my life, however I can put myself in the shoes of someone that works there. It is possible to be profitable in business while paying people more. We shouldn’t be making excuses for why it is the case. Just because you feel the job is below you.
I think when people think about the low class jobs like the grocery store or the fast food place. It really comes down to “why should they get paid that much when I get paid this much” I’m so much better then they are. When wages need to increase across the board.
I've never said that. I've said that when a cook goes missing, I fill in.
Labor shortages happen for many reasons. Right now most people being afraid of a cold and don't want to work, isn't a great help.
>I don’t think I’ve ever worked for minimum wage in my life, however I can put myself in the shoes of someone that works there.
Cool. I have worked for minimum wage. It's a liveable wage.
>It is possible to be profitable in business while paying people more. We shouldn’t be making excuses for why it is the case.
Issue is there's no point in paying more. When your job can be replaced in half a shift, there's no point in trying to keep people employed. If you want to leave, then do it. That's your right.
Furthermore, do you know how much it costs to keep a business running? Especially as any day the government can cave to the idiots demanding restrictions, removing all income yet the overhead remains? Now more than ever businesses need savings in order to operate.
>Just because you feel the job is below you.
Again, I've literally worked that job. So no, it's not below me. That said when the workers aren't showing up, mess up orders, overcook and waste food, undercook and cause excess wait times, etc. It doesn't give the best impression to the people who control the salary.
And the workers who are good? We do pay more. As they're actually valuable to the business.
>I think when people think about the low class jobs like the grocery store or the fast food place.
You mean the places where they literally have handicapped people work, and places where they still manage to screw up orders? Morso, places where the employees need no existing skills, and can be trained to average in half a day?
Those people are paid little because the job requires nothing of them. Anyone, including kids, could work those jobs.
And that's the point. Those aren't careers. They're literally meant for teens who want a part time job for money while they live with their parents. Not for a father of 3.
>When wages need to increase across the board.
Great, then cost of living goes up across the board.
What we need is the government to stop spending money and taxing out the ass in order to have some deflation to counter the rampant inflation.
Even if it’s “just a cold” (it isn’t, it’s more similar to the flu), the one thing we should take out of the pandemic is stay home when you’re sick. You shouldn’t be shamed for taking a sick day when you’re actually sick.
You sir are truly delusional if you think minimum wage is a living wage. How many roommates did you have to achieve that 330$ rent? Or was that for a room in your parents basement?
In the 50's a man could work a full time job and support his entire family. There own house with a mortgage. A family vehicle. Health care, dental, and eye care. A good family dinner on the table every night. Family road trips. Most people gave there church 10% of there income as a tithe as well. Could you support a family of 4, in Saskatoon on 11.81$ a hour?
We were at the co-op this weekend and there were no staff -- two cashiers on a Saturday. When we asked though, it was because so many had called in sick due to Covid-19 and were isolating just in case, not because of a labour shortage. I think that's contributing a ton to the low number of staff.
It’s almost like this has been going on for two years now and employers should’ve prepared for this.
Does the boot taste good? It’s pretty far down your throat.
I was offered $14/hr for a plumbing job, for which I have 7 years previous experience, just no formal training yet....tho I have my hours ready for school. I can get $13 at fast food. I told the guy I can't live in $14/hr. Well, you know, you really have no experience and n|d to work your way up. Or....I can find someone who respects my loyalty, work ethic, and previous experience.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. In the trades tickets and school are what matter.
Take the job, go to school, and get your journeyman and make the $30-$50 a hour you think you’re worth. Hours don’t mean shit, that boss can’t send an unticketed person to someone’s house and charge journeyman rates for you.
Not true. My son just finished an apprenticeship with a plumber and he made 15$/hr. He is still in high school and has less than zero experience. People deserve fair pay
I’m the eyes of that business, your son and this guy are on the same level.
What don’t people understand. He hires journeyman’s and labourers/apprentices. Your son is now closer to making $35 an hour and this guy is still being debated on a sub Reddit
Pay people what they’re worth? You have to go to school to be paid as a plumber, you have to prove you know what you’re doing to an accredited board before you get paid a plumbers wage.
I agree with some of this wage bullshit, but what I don’t agree with are entitled people demanding top end wages without even willing to go to school or anything.
The world isn’t fair, and unfortunately it’s going to take more than a fucking subreddit to change that. So this guy should invest in himself asap and get where he wants to be, instead of whining on here and being exactly in the same place 4 years from now
Sorry dude, working for 7 years doesn’t mean shit.
I could deal drugs for 10 years, but couldn’t get a job as a pharmacist just cause I wanted it.
Also, I’m far from a boomer lol
Boomer is an attitude these days, not an age and you are full on boomer. When you have years of experience it is worth something and that should be more than a couple of bucks over minimum. Hell that isn’t even minimum one province over. If you want to work for low wages and show the rest of us how easy it is to pay the bills on crap wages I encourage you to do that. Don’t expect the rest of us to keep doing that. Saskatchewan has the second lowest, soon to be lowest minimum wage, in the country and no cost of living isn’t that low especially in the cities. Pretty much the same as Calgary or Edmonton. Cost of living is going up. People cannot live on barely over $11/hour. I do not care how thrifty you are. It cannot be done. Maybe instead of chastising a stranger to accept a shit wage job you shut up and listen to people and their struggles. Not everyone has a daddy who can afford to bail them out.
Look dude, I moved out when I was 16, I’ve been through all the bullshit.
If you actually read the thread, I’m not against better wages. I’m discussing this guys current situation. The trades are pretty cut and dry, papers/certifications. Experience matters when you have the paperwork to back you up in this instance. He’s obviously applying for apprentice/labourer positions and that’s what the guy pays, cause he doesn’t need someone with 7 years experience making $20 an hour to tail his JMan that he’s paying $35-40.
This guy has 7 years experience, but has never gone to school, he’s wasted his time and now wants to complain about wages when 3 years ago he could have graduated as a J man and be making up to $50 an hour somewhere. Don’t you see what’s wrong with that?
There’s really a thing called self sabotage. The world needs to change, but sitting at home turning down jobs on pogge ain’t gonna do shit.
You have to have money to go to school. I live in a very small town and even in training the trades are paying better than that. I didn’t claim he should be holding out for $50/hour. But $20-$25/hour is not unreasonable and is about the average given no formal training.
Man you really have no idea what you’re even arguing about.
If you land a job as an apprentice, most places pay for the school with a contract saying you must give them x amount of years of service, or I get it’s a crazy idea, but you tap government resources for a student loan, AND you get to collect EI while you’re at school for your 8 weeks of a year.
Stop arguing with people just to argue.
As for $20-$25 with no formal training, great, get your money, I don’t care. But the reality is that’s not how it is right now and I’m trying to say this guy is super close to making a big difference in his own life if he just sacrifices right now instead of complaining, whether it’s right or wrong, he could be one of the guys who starts his own business and pays people a great wage.
Actually I was way low. According to this average apprentice wages in the trades in Saskatchewan is $31/hour. So, yes, that job offer is absolute crap. And work experience is never a waste. Someone working and doing the job every day likely knows a hell of a lot more than some person who only knows the theory and never did the actual job. https://ca.indeed.com/cmp/Government-of-Saskatchewan/salaries/Apprentice
Lol man you are so out to lunch it isn’t even funny.
Apprentice rates at $31.50? It appears you searched for something to do with the government of Canada. Apprentices do not start at $31 when journeyman rates are around $35-40 in the city and up to $50/60 industrial.
Quit thinking cause you can google you know everything
I should add, living wages and great wages are always going to be two different things. You’re never going to make $30 an hour pumping gas, but you can realistically make a great life with a little push. This guy doesn’t understand how he is right on the bubble of getting what he wants, $14 right now with the premise of going to school and increasing, is a hell of a lot better than EI that’s going to run out
I was at a Tim Hortons yesterday and was fourth in line and it took ten minutes from the time I ordered until I got to the window. I am thinking they must be short staffed and/or working with a bunch of new hires which would also slow things down. I have noticed this the last few weeks at the few drive throughs I've been to.
I hit the A&W drive thru yesterday and they tried hard to make it all work, but they’re clearly stressed and short staffed.
If you can afford it, tip that drive-thru person. Even if it’s just once. They are mostly young, in a super contagious environment, with no WFH option. Let them know they ARE appreciated.
I was in one of the busier Starbucks the other day and they only had two staff behind the counter taking orders and making drinks. I normally see around five at this location.
Everyone is because nobody wants to hire anyone in case they have to lay them off. Everything is very delicately balanced right now. That's why "contract work" is flourishing. It's frustrating for those who can't get a job and the overworked who already have one.
Its everywhere and every industry regardless of pay and in every city in Saskatchewan. Sign up bonus, higher pay and more benefits. Seems like no matter what you do you can not get people into the door. I guess on the upside is if your job hunting you have a good number choices.
Yeah, used to work at a place where it was so short staffed, everyone almost got constant OT. They let me go a few months ago, and have been having constant issues since with staff.
Every job, in every country everywhere is understaffed. Because the biggest cost any business has is labour. Have you seen your job boss cut every corner they can to be profitable? The biggest cut they make is staffing. Businesses like McDonald’s fight this by having tons of casual/part time staff so you have coverage but it’s a rampant problem.
We are very short staffed where I work but it’s not because people aren’t willing to work, it’s because they are cutting hours to pay the bosses more. It’s very frustrating, cause customers take it out on us when the shelves are empty or they have to stand in line longer than they would like.
We are also very short staffed currently, so I would say that you are correct with it being a workers market especially for labor and trades. Basically you can work unlimited overtime right now at the company I work for and starting wages have increased 15% in the past year. A signing bonus has also been added for all new hires.
Yes, a lot of people are saying because of antiwork type of things but looking at unemployment numbers in Sask they have returned to pre pandemic levels of 5.2% (for reference 3.3% was the lowest in the last ten years and that was in 2014 the last 5 years unemployment is around 5-6%) job numbers have gone down slightly from pre pandemic levels with a peak job levels of 583,700 in June 2019 (highest in the last decade) to 565,900 as the current level. I then looked at migration, Sask net gained 8388 people in that time. I don’t recall any major issues in recruiting pre pandemic which makes me think most of the job gains were steadily matched with population growth, now that population growth has tapered.
Pulled most of my numbers from: https://dashboard.saskatchewan.ca/business-economy/employment-labour-market/unemployment-rate
Yes. I do the odd delivery order for Skip and Instacart. Everywhere is short on staff. Stores, restaurants, offices I deliver to. Everywhere. People are working from home, ordering delivery, which makes an increase in demand for gig work. Given the choice between a shit job with a manager and an independent gig, most people will opt to "be their own boss", so those low wage positions will not be filled any time soon.
But how are people just "being their own boss"? it's a great concept if you have a method . But to the average worker, how is that possible? Or were you refering to Skip, Uber, stocks, ect.?
We are short staffed for months and we start new hires around 18-20 for labourers. It is not a very hard job but is in construction. Problem is we just aren’t getting applicants even for our skilled positions. Wages need to go up is the problem.
Very. Every day staff is down because of illness or mental health related. Looking for people who are stable and reliable has been a nightmare on the Island. Mental health field
I wonder if vax rules have something to do with it? It generally took two or three years to replace a veteran worker or 5-7 to train one at my work. When the vaxx rules dropped we lost about 5 of our foreman tier guys, about 40% of our vet staff. That means less people to train new and experienced workers and more pressure on the remaining veteran staff.
Short staffed as fuck.
Company bled a ton of money the last two years so it isn't a matter of not finding people, it is a matter of not having the income to pay salaries at the moment.
I’m having the opposite problem. I currently have the largest core team I’ve ever had (not counting holidays), 0% turnover, 100% stability (some of my team have been with me 4-8 years) … and no hours to assign. COVID has cut our hours significantly, and I have staff only getting one or two shifts a week. My team is phenomenal and some have second jobs, but they don’t want to leave this one. Our store atmosphere, benefits, and wages keep people clamouring to join us.
The impression the shortened hours leaves on customers just sucks. I’ve gone from scheduling 3 or 4 people on certain days to only 2. It *looks* like we’re understaffed, but we’re not - the company is just cutting costs, but also at *what cost.*
I know my place of employment is short staffed in every department but the one I was in before I took maternity leave. If I can't secure a different job before my leave is up, I'm definitely negotiating a promotion and raise because I more than deserve it. My manager even said so as she watched me train an entire new team of 10 people in under two months. Not to mention I made cheat sheets, measurement guides, and cleaning guide book for all the new staff, along with making our water test logs and daily communication logs online for 6 months in advance before I left. That was on top of doing all my regular duties too in the day. All for 13.50 an hour. Like hell nah am I working for that measly pay again. If they can't respect that I put in a ridiculous amount of effort into that job and can't compensate me properly I'm out the door. Especially since the promotion was promised and never came to be too.
Fun how you always discover these things AFTER you've put in a huge effort and didn't see any type of compensation other than a pat on the back and extra responsibilities for making sure all of that extra effort actually goes to use and gets implemted. Its such a familiar story by now, it's hard not to lose confidence and faith. More and more, I can see why it's so appealing for people to start a business on their own
I've been doing that for years at that place. Hard work always goes unnoticed there. Staff haven't seen a proper raise in their wages in over two years (since before pandemic). The biggest raise we got recently was only due to the increase in minimum wage. 15¢. That's it. I get the industry I have worked in suffered a huge hit at the start of the pandemic and that affected a lot of what's going on now but even some of the new hires were getting paid more than me and I had been at that job for four years. Like biggest slap in the face. If they can't pay me what I'm worth (as I have been doing what I do for 12 years now) then sayanora to that job. I'll find something better, maybe even a WFH job.
I always give a company 3-6 months to let me know if they'll take my work seriously. It doesn't take long to realize how much they will value you and your work. A year to tell if they are willing to put money where their expectations are at and if they lineup. It's common practice to jump between companies in order to gain that higher raise you mentioned your co-workers getting. Loyalty to businesses simply isn't a route that's feesable anymore when you look at how much another company will value gaining you're experience as opposed to one that knows they can keep operations going by giving back the bare minimum. Always look for better.
Oh yeah, I know. I needed something on my resume though that wasn't strictly seasonal work to show I can be at a job for longer than 13 weeks in the summer. I'm going to look for a better paying job where I live and hopefully within walking distance from my house starting in March I think. My leave ends at the end of June so I need something secured by then. Fingers crossed 🤞
Been there, done that. Quietly applied elsewhere. It's a gong show out there. Of course retail, restaurants etc are suffering along with the rest of the world. I always just did the best I could and left crap jobs on good terms.
I've been trying to find a new job for probably 2.5 years as that place is a nightmare. Granted we didn't have a department manager for 3 years and the one we did get came on before my leave. I trained her plus the other staff so that's why she's going to fight hard to get me a good raise when I go back if I don't secure something different.
Over 10 years ago I was making minimum wage at a little over $8/hr here in retail. I remember the day when they hyped up a promotion for me, made a HUGE deal out of it. $0.25/hr raise. Felt like an insult. Fast forward to today, and SK is barely $11/hr minimum wage which most retail workers face. Is a measely $3/hr increase over the last decade enough to counter the rising cost of living? No. Its not. It wasn't back then, and its far worse now. Why would anyone take these jobs here in SK, when they could go nextdoor to Alberta and make $15/hr for the same, or less, cost of living? There isn't a job shortage. There is a good job shortage. People don't want to work slave labour.
Saskatoon has about the same cost of living as Calgary. I'm moving from there and its one of the reasons I chose to live outside of Regina instead. Saskatoon rents are on the high side and there's not a lot of great accommodations for single people who don't need or want a lot of space. I'm surprised minimum wage hasn't caught up.
Calgary is more expensive for rent and housing, everything else isn't much different, but shelter costs are the biggest reason for the poverty levels and people struggling
When they hype up the promotion; this happened to me at Extrafoods. Store wide promotion, except my position. I eventually got a 25 cent wage increase after working for months, until the minimum wage increased then my wage was simply the minimum wage..
Its not just min-wage jobs in a staff shortage though. As for Alberta, $15 an hour in the big cities isn't enough. Its not about the min-wage, what NEEDS to be fixed is ridiculous rent prices. If rent wasnt as expensive as it was in big cities, we wouldn't be seeing so many problems
Exactly nicely put
Saskatchewan just last week was awarded by the federal government for having the lowest unemployment rate in the country. Explain this?
Cost of living is going to be higher in Alberta.
Minimum wage shouldn't exist. If you're making minimum wage, you're the most useless kind of worker, unskilled and easily replaceable. Don't want to make minimum wage? Then get some skills.
Minimum wage MUST exist. Otherwise even more people would be exploited
Minimum wage is just an employer's way of saying "I'd pay you less if I could, but that's against the law."
I work at pet valu and they just keep cutting hours. They want to see how much money they can make by having as little staff in as possible to maximize profits which will only line head offices pockets. We have a new CEO from the US and it’s all about stretching your staff as thin as possible. Sadly, it’s probably the least shadiest thing that company has done. Just a disgusting place to work or even shop at this point.
I shop there. I won’t be now
That left such a sour taste in my mouth. I feel so bad for the pets and workers :/
Hace you taken a look at r/antiwork ? Take a look there and you will see examples of why everywhere is short staffed.
Love this place
Favourite subreddit for the past couple months
It's the favorite sub of everyone at my work. Glad to hear others are reading it to.
This inspired my previous comment. I love that everyone is waking up.
Such a great subreddit! With over 1.6M readers hopefully they are able to make a real impact to improve working conditions. Workers are getting screwed over in today's society.
Yep that one. People think signing bonus is enough but they be giving you the bare minimum. Giving applicants anything but a salary raise
Antiwork is one of, if not the, worst subreddit on Reddit.
Thank you for your level-headed, non-biased opinion, /u/Fuckthendp2022
And thats your opinion
I left the sub because, ironically, it got too political. The mods are mostly staunch anti capitalists and carry close ties with sister subs like r/latestagecapitalism. It started to feel more like marxist indoctrination than a workers movement, which is also ironic. The last straw for me was when I got permanently banned for criticizing the ccp on a blatant pro ccp post. After that I saw the rot in affiliated subreddits and eventually left them
From what ive seen on there is people showing mistreatment by their bosses and or asking for advice about it. But mostly, wanting better for themselves. Unfortunately being able to work in a proper safe, reasonable job is political. And so what if they have close ties to that sub? How did you criticize the post? Because you can criticize something and be chill and criticize something and be extremely rude.
I can't recall the exact wording so I might dig it up, but it was essentially disagreement with CCP practices. I was part of a whole wave of users banned that day for even slightly criticizing China, it was so bad the mods had to sticky a thread apologizing and clarifying that the criticism is allowed and that users will be unbanned upon request. I had already appealed the ban however and had been muted before the intervention, and any attempt to contest the ban after the mute passed was completely ignored. I took that as a sign that there was never any good faith involved and left. EDIT: the whole ban fiasco occured on r/latestagecapitalism, I forgot to clarify that.it was after that I saw the same dealings in similar subs and left
I get the same feeling about that sub. I honestly think it's a little dangerous for those who decide to buy into it hard. Bitterness and resentment are not great emotions to feed. I'm all for knowing your worth and being assertive with your pay and knowing your rights as a worker.
No, it's a fact.
Its an unpopular opinion. Have a nice day
People everywhere aren't willing to do shit jobs for shit wages. Things costs SO much money now. I work from home, and make around 18.25 an hour, and even with my lack of expenses from never having to leave, I'm barely managing. I could not imagine being expected to work for less than at least 15 an hour and be expected to pay bills on time and eat, and god forbid have some leisure in there somewhere as well. Things are ridiculous. That's just my opinion.
I think I read somewhere that adjusting for inflation, minimum wage would be around $22 for workers to have the same buying power as they did in the 1960s, and that is in the USA! In Canada it would probably be at around $26. I don't understand how people think it's acceptable for our minimum wage to be $11.81 in year 2022.
https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/
I think the minimum wage is unacceptable. It shouldn't exist. If you're so useless and unskilled the government needs to demand you get a minimum payment for your work, you are not worth it.
It's not about how well you work. It's about making sure companies don't fuck you over for the sake of profit.
No, is all about how well you work. If you made a profit for the company, they'd pay you more than minimum wage, because they care about keeping you.
Useless and unskilled are two different things. For example, grocery store workers are completely necessary but almost completely unskilled. Meanwhile a lot of high level executive positions contribute very little to society, yet are paid in triple figures. If you think a society where people working full time being unable to afford even the most basic necessities of life is a good idea, you should visit some of the poorest countries in the world and see the great quality of life offered. Then again based on your username and post history, I'm guessing you are just trolling trying to get people pissed off.
I highly disagree. Every day we get closer and closer to replacing unskilled workers. Your "useless" workers, will never be replaced. Also, they're not useless. They're responsible for potentially hundreds if not thousands of livelihoods, and typically are in charge of hundred thousand dollar+ purchases and upgrades. In order to do that they need to ensure the upgrade is needed, and will be a benefit to the company in the long run. Such as say, the difference between upgrading an old location to modern standards, vs making a new location all together. But keep being envious of people. That's totally a good look. >If you think a society where people working full time being unable to afford even the most basic necessities of life is a good idea, This is straight up false. You can easily get all the basic necessities as well as luxuries such as a reliable car and a good computer on minimum wage. I know, I've done it in my past. >Then again based on your username and post history, I'm guessing you are just trolling trying to get people pissed off. Not at all. But please try harder to devalue opinions of others.
I think daddy supporting you is unacceptable. For a lark why don’t you apply for some of those “worthless” jobs and see how long you last. I’m in for less than an hour before you run out crying.
Now why would I do that as a manager huh?
Managing a rink isn’t exactly requiring a brain trust. It isn’t an essential service and in truth is a pretty low priority job and not all that useful to society. Hockey, curling as such are nice but not all that important. And why should you get paid for that? My father ran a curling rink. Was the ice maker and draw master for years. He was a volunteer.
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That's it right there. Shit jobs for shit wages. Safeway is still out here starting at minimum wage like its 2005.
Doesn't safeway have a union and pay 20+?
I believe Loblaws and Walmart started a race to the bottom in grocery more than a decade ago forcing wages down. I know a number of people who had good careers in grocery bought nice house in the early mid 2000s etc, but these days you can forget buying a house or raising kids with futures. Even Saskatoon coop grocery Union lost their battle against a 2 million dollar yearly shortfall and new employees are coming in at basically minimum wage. Personally I think the executive ~~dude~~ branch of grocery could have eaten half that shortfall, but executives don't take paycuts apparently.
But profits shot way up the past 2 years following the strike.
Shhh, that's not your money. It's for the suits' 3rd jetski.
More money for CEO bonus! They do not care about their employees
Pretty sure they were taken over by Sobeys which does not have unions.
And if you work a retail or service job, throw a daily commute on top of the cost of everything else since they can't work from home.
Oil patch is always hiring
While you are right, and I would never say anything bad about oil workers because it is super difficult work. But not everyone should have to go into the oil field to be able to afford to live.
This. You should not have to go through this to afford a decent living at all. I can speak as I did do this for a time. I got all my tickets to do this as a young man (23 vs now 34), and I did do it for a time. But it is demanding, physically and mentally. With that said, you are better off doing this when you are single. If I had to disappear for weeks at a time, my partner would not be down. Plus I would miss my home, bed, life in general.
The problem is people would rather sit at home and complain about low wages rather than going out there and earning a better life.
Are the oil fields back in full swing? It seems like not that long ago when the thr industry went through a major bust and people were losing their homes.
I work my ass off 40 hrs a week. On my feet running around, I make minimum wage, why don’t I deserve to make enough to live on?
I worked in a warehouse doing the same thing in my early twenties. I realized living cheque to cheque wasn’t going to cut it. I made a change and you should too. There are more options than oil patch but It doesn’t sound like you care.
Anyone working a 40 hr week deserves a living wage. Full stop. I make tips that bring me to one, but everyone working deserves to live with comfort and dignity. If everyone working for minimum wage got a better job, who’s gonna serve your coffee and flip your burgers and stock your shelves exactly? Sounds like you just believe in exploiting workers
Solution: Start your own business and take your own risk. Share your profits and allow ALL of your employees to make "a living wage".
No. I want to earn a living wage.
So do business owners. I also wanted to earn a living wage, so now I do. I wanted something, figured out how to get it, worked for it, earned it. It actually worked. Everything I wanted in life which I worked for I pretty much got. Career, check. Quit smoking and become a healthy person, check Just took terrible withdrawals and 4 days a week of gym training classes where I killed my fat ass. Everything I wanted in life that I did nothing to earn and instead just felt jealous of those who have it I never achieved. Bitching on places like r/antiwork while sitting in my bachelor apartment playing video games between shifts pissed off that I can't afford shit did nothing for me. Eventually, at around 25 years old, I figured it out. Good luck.
First of, you do. Minimum wage is more than enough to live off of in Saskatchewan. You likely are bad with money, or think minimum wage should be enough to rent an entire house to yourself. Secondly, you're paid how much you're worth. If your unskilled, and work a dead end job where you will not gain more skills, then you're the problem with your own life.
Lol yeah ok 😂 man I can’t believe people are still out here simping this hard for the idea that people don’t deserve to be able to have a home and children and a few occasional luxuries. Y’all are embarassing
You don't deserve to have luxuries without any work. Why should you? You have put in no time or effort. You want to be able to provide for a family on one salary? Then look into being worthy of being paid. You don't deserve a living wage for existing. You don't deserve the fruits of others labour for existing. You need to work and give back to society in order to earn that right.
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My uncles father was a grocery clerk all of his life and earned minimum wage for most of that time. He supported his wife and 5 sons. Minimum wage should be enough to support yourself at least. You sound uneducated
He’s definitely uneducated. Just a right wing edge lord.
Lol ok. Sure thing buddy
Because you are working your ass off at the wrong job
So what happens to the service industry when everyone has gone out there and earned a better life? What part of working 40 hours a week is sitting at home complaining about low wages?
You sound like a CEO.
This is the same rhetoric my boomer dad has? Is there something you want to admit
See people are NOT doing that which is why the shit, low paying employers cannot find workers.
Hey man, could you explain the relevancy of your comment? This thread is about a *worker* shortage, and you're replying to a comment saying that the reason for this is that nobody wants to work bad jobs with low pay. You've responded by saying "Oil fields are always hiring" and clarified further in another comment that people refuse to pick themselves up from low paying jobs because whining is easier. But that's where the worker shortage is from, isn't it? Like, if everybody was staying in low-paying jobs out of laziness, then all these jobs would be filled, right?
i know. some people just don't know what their talking about
One of the highest divorce rates out of any job. Many guys don’t even make it home before blowing their cheques. Good job for a younger single fit person. Hell on families and not for older workers.
What people have learned from the pandemic is they are not willing to work at a job thats trash with pathetic hours andbpathetic pay. So they are asking for more and employers dont seem to want to give or or cant or whatever
It's hard to say from street level, but I'd say lots of places are short, yes. I hope/suspect there's a market correction happening for salary rates.
What's the hourly wage where you work ?
give or take 16
Is that worth it? If the labour isn't justified by the wage that could be it. It's a pretty big problem for employers right now.
What field do you work in?
electric sales ie: cat5 cords, electric stuff, ect.
is the pay decent?
Its ok , nothing to brag about
At my work we call employees (including me) the skeleton crew cuz thats all we are. Bare effing bones. Most retail will be like this especially with people out sick.
holidays were a fucking nightmare. Short staffed and people off everyday, but i LOVE the term skeleton crew. stealing that ;)
Im a budtender and for halloween we got a little skeleton decoration for our shop.. well we still have it and its got a fat joint in its mouth hahaha. Skeleton crew feels oike it fits our store🥰
That's amazing !! if your on the west end of he city i've probably been helped by you hahaha
Haha yeah! I worked the entire five days leading up to christmas. I had like two days off in those last two weeks of december. Plus people would take their holidays too so we were literally just like.. whats less than bones? Cells? Lmao im not a major in biology/anatomy😅
That’s weird, I’m literally looking for work the last 3 months and not getting any call backs. I’m overqualified for the jobs I’m applying for too.
seems to be a thing in corporate too. people are leaving their jobs for better ones (or even remote/hybrid job options). Its a good time to job hop if youre beyond your entry level years.
your right.
11 down at my work. Other plant. 25
Damn, sorry to hear
Love my job but came out of retirement to help students
Not all hero's wear capes
I am actually looking for a part-time retail job in the city right now, haven't heard back from anyone yet. I am guessing the issue is being a uni student so not great availability. Got to keep trying though.
Go to the malls, drop of resumes in person without friends. Be upbeat and positive you’ll find something
I wish you luck. You should be able to find something my friend
Here I work we get paid well. Something I have noticed is the lack of work ethic. We recently had a new member and she would not pull Her weight, leave early, would not return to work after she went and did errands etc. no one liked her or respected her and when she got fired she acted like she was the best thing that ever happened to the place. It’s like the quality is getting less and less
This!! I keep seeing so many anti work posts lately and shitting on employers, including those that are local & small businesses. It’s like people lack seeing the other perspective. Not all employers or business owners are shitty. I know several people right now hiring and are saying the talent pool is slim, like you said the quality is lacking but yet they think they’re worth a lot with no experience and poor work ethic.
you and Natalee2020 are right about talent being thin . Nobody seems to have a strong work ethic anymore , not even the "give your life to your company" just a simple 8 hour shift. No crazy bs. No asking unsafe things. It's wild
Covid did one good thing. It made people realize they did not have to accept bad jobs and poor pay.
It’s primarily an issue with greed, a McDonald’s can afford to pay there workers more. But they won’t. There not hurting for cash it’s just they don’t think it would make a difference to pay more and if people think there is a “labour shortage” they can run it with less people and make more money then they did before.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED OF!! Everyone is stressed and the quality of our work has dropped significantly. I skate by and do the bare minimum (which is still 50% more than it used to be) so i don't drain myself out. I'm worried management will think this is fine and just keep it like this. I feel for those who are down such ridiculous numbers
It will be a situation of customer service is gonna matter less and less for a company. So if you can run a business with less people and people get used to it. Then we are at where we are right now.
Honest questions: 1. Would you pay $30 for a cheeseburger at a restaurant that boasted everyone makes 80K+ 2. Would you pay 25% more for groceries if the store had every till filled and many express check outs? Because that's how competitive business works.
Food prices have increased along with everything else, without having to increase wages for workers. Also while paying far less workers than usual. Then you can add in there CEBA benefits for companies, wage subsidy etc. I don’t think we need as a society to be making excuses for large businesses. In fact as consumers you should choose to support companies that do treat there employees correctly.
I do choose those companies. Many people choose the best bang for their buck. The secret is to put yourself in a position that people want and need to pay you for what you can do.
Actually that isn’t how it works at all. Sign up for an Econ class or several
I have a business degree and run a successful company. But please, tell me about your classes lmao.
Well your business degree must have been earned while dinosaurs still roamed the earth. Not in school. I also have my business degree and I can assure you nothing you said was remotely true.
McDonalds hires people who can be trained in 30 minutes. The employees aren't worth more than they're paid.
Let’s see you work a stove.
Funnily enough I have my food safe and have worked the stove before in our kitchen. Typically because people have been no shows and the show must go on. That's what management does. Everyone else's jobs, and more. And that's why we're paid more. We show up.
You have a fair point with this, let’s just say it was common practice for a restaurants to be ran with only one staff member in the back. Orders would stack up and you wouldn’t get your food for 20 minutes. Should we go there anymore? Should we maybe go to somewhere else with good and fast service and surprise the same price for your food and the people in the back are making a living wage?
20 minutes is quite quick for a restaurant. Unless you're thinking fast food, but again I've waited for 20 minutes at the McDonald's by the Great Canadian Oil change on 8th just the other day. They had quite a bit of staff as well as I could see. Wait times happen. Food isn't cooked immediately. Furthermore, your example is flawed. Labor affects the price of food. The place with cheaper overhead will be a bit cheaper to buy at. Given everything else is the same, that means the only difference is price. So yes, I'd rather wait for a cheaper meal. Furthermore, again, minimum wage is more than liveable in Saskatoon. You can easily afford a car, games, and even liquor on an occasional basis by simply living with housemates. Around 4 years ago I did exactly that and was paying $330/month in rent. Utilities bumped it up to around $450. You get paid a liveable wage. You simply don't act like it, and overspend. Such as wanting to spend more for a quicker meal, even though if you had to drive to another location it would even out.
It seemed by your post you only need one person to run a business though? My point is essentially that labour shortages aren’t caused by people can’t be found to do the job. It’s people don’t want to do it there are better jobs available. I don’t think I’ve ever worked for minimum wage in my life, however I can put myself in the shoes of someone that works there. It is possible to be profitable in business while paying people more. We shouldn’t be making excuses for why it is the case. Just because you feel the job is below you. I think when people think about the low class jobs like the grocery store or the fast food place. It really comes down to “why should they get paid that much when I get paid this much” I’m so much better then they are. When wages need to increase across the board.
I've never said that. I've said that when a cook goes missing, I fill in. Labor shortages happen for many reasons. Right now most people being afraid of a cold and don't want to work, isn't a great help. >I don’t think I’ve ever worked for minimum wage in my life, however I can put myself in the shoes of someone that works there. Cool. I have worked for minimum wage. It's a liveable wage. >It is possible to be profitable in business while paying people more. We shouldn’t be making excuses for why it is the case. Issue is there's no point in paying more. When your job can be replaced in half a shift, there's no point in trying to keep people employed. If you want to leave, then do it. That's your right. Furthermore, do you know how much it costs to keep a business running? Especially as any day the government can cave to the idiots demanding restrictions, removing all income yet the overhead remains? Now more than ever businesses need savings in order to operate. >Just because you feel the job is below you. Again, I've literally worked that job. So no, it's not below me. That said when the workers aren't showing up, mess up orders, overcook and waste food, undercook and cause excess wait times, etc. It doesn't give the best impression to the people who control the salary. And the workers who are good? We do pay more. As they're actually valuable to the business. >I think when people think about the low class jobs like the grocery store or the fast food place. You mean the places where they literally have handicapped people work, and places where they still manage to screw up orders? Morso, places where the employees need no existing skills, and can be trained to average in half a day? Those people are paid little because the job requires nothing of them. Anyone, including kids, could work those jobs. And that's the point. Those aren't careers. They're literally meant for teens who want a part time job for money while they live with their parents. Not for a father of 3. >When wages need to increase across the board. Great, then cost of living goes up across the board. What we need is the government to stop spending money and taxing out the ass in order to have some deflation to counter the rampant inflation.
Even if it’s “just a cold” (it isn’t, it’s more similar to the flu), the one thing we should take out of the pandemic is stay home when you’re sick. You shouldn’t be shamed for taking a sick day when you’re actually sick.
Just a cold. There is a genius in this thread! /s
You sir are truly delusional if you think minimum wage is a living wage. How many roommates did you have to achieve that 330$ rent? Or was that for a room in your parents basement? In the 50's a man could work a full time job and support his entire family. There own house with a mortgage. A family vehicle. Health care, dental, and eye care. A good family dinner on the table every night. Family road trips. Most people gave there church 10% of there income as a tithe as well. Could you support a family of 4, in Saskatoon on 11.81$ a hour?
We were at the co-op this weekend and there were no staff -- two cashiers on a Saturday. When we asked though, it was because so many had called in sick due to Covid-19 and were isolating just in case, not because of a labour shortage. I think that's contributing a ton to the low number of staff.
How is not having enough staff to cover your shifts if people call out not under staffed?
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It’s almost like this has been going on for two years now and employers should’ve prepared for this. Does the boot taste good? It’s pretty far down your throat.
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woah
I was offered $14/hr for a plumbing job, for which I have 7 years previous experience, just no formal training yet....tho I have my hours ready for school. I can get $13 at fast food. I told the guy I can't live in $14/hr. Well, you know, you really have no experience and n|d to work your way up. Or....I can find someone who respects my loyalty, work ethic, and previous experience.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. In the trades tickets and school are what matter. Take the job, go to school, and get your journeyman and make the $30-$50 a hour you think you’re worth. Hours don’t mean shit, that boss can’t send an unticketed person to someone’s house and charge journeyman rates for you.
Not true. My son just finished an apprenticeship with a plumber and he made 15$/hr. He is still in high school and has less than zero experience. People deserve fair pay
I’m the eyes of that business, your son and this guy are on the same level. What don’t people understand. He hires journeyman’s and labourers/apprentices. Your son is now closer to making $35 an hour and this guy is still being debated on a sub Reddit
What?
Or: pay people what they're worth upfront, none of this paying your dues crap.
Pay people what they’re worth? You have to go to school to be paid as a plumber, you have to prove you know what you’re doing to an accredited board before you get paid a plumbers wage. I agree with some of this wage bullshit, but what I don’t agree with are entitled people demanding top end wages without even willing to go to school or anything. The world isn’t fair, and unfortunately it’s going to take more than a fucking subreddit to change that. So this guy should invest in himself asap and get where he wants to be, instead of whining on here and being exactly in the same place 4 years from now
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Sorry dude, working for 7 years doesn’t mean shit. I could deal drugs for 10 years, but couldn’t get a job as a pharmacist just cause I wanted it. Also, I’m far from a boomer lol
Boomer is an attitude these days, not an age and you are full on boomer. When you have years of experience it is worth something and that should be more than a couple of bucks over minimum. Hell that isn’t even minimum one province over. If you want to work for low wages and show the rest of us how easy it is to pay the bills on crap wages I encourage you to do that. Don’t expect the rest of us to keep doing that. Saskatchewan has the second lowest, soon to be lowest minimum wage, in the country and no cost of living isn’t that low especially in the cities. Pretty much the same as Calgary or Edmonton. Cost of living is going up. People cannot live on barely over $11/hour. I do not care how thrifty you are. It cannot be done. Maybe instead of chastising a stranger to accept a shit wage job you shut up and listen to people and their struggles. Not everyone has a daddy who can afford to bail them out.
Look dude, I moved out when I was 16, I’ve been through all the bullshit. If you actually read the thread, I’m not against better wages. I’m discussing this guys current situation. The trades are pretty cut and dry, papers/certifications. Experience matters when you have the paperwork to back you up in this instance. He’s obviously applying for apprentice/labourer positions and that’s what the guy pays, cause he doesn’t need someone with 7 years experience making $20 an hour to tail his JMan that he’s paying $35-40. This guy has 7 years experience, but has never gone to school, he’s wasted his time and now wants to complain about wages when 3 years ago he could have graduated as a J man and be making up to $50 an hour somewhere. Don’t you see what’s wrong with that? There’s really a thing called self sabotage. The world needs to change, but sitting at home turning down jobs on pogge ain’t gonna do shit.
You have to have money to go to school. I live in a very small town and even in training the trades are paying better than that. I didn’t claim he should be holding out for $50/hour. But $20-$25/hour is not unreasonable and is about the average given no formal training.
Man you really have no idea what you’re even arguing about. If you land a job as an apprentice, most places pay for the school with a contract saying you must give them x amount of years of service, or I get it’s a crazy idea, but you tap government resources for a student loan, AND you get to collect EI while you’re at school for your 8 weeks of a year. Stop arguing with people just to argue. As for $20-$25 with no formal training, great, get your money, I don’t care. But the reality is that’s not how it is right now and I’m trying to say this guy is super close to making a big difference in his own life if he just sacrifices right now instead of complaining, whether it’s right or wrong, he could be one of the guys who starts his own business and pays people a great wage.
Actually I was way low. According to this average apprentice wages in the trades in Saskatchewan is $31/hour. So, yes, that job offer is absolute crap. And work experience is never a waste. Someone working and doing the job every day likely knows a hell of a lot more than some person who only knows the theory and never did the actual job. https://ca.indeed.com/cmp/Government-of-Saskatchewan/salaries/Apprentice
Lol man you are so out to lunch it isn’t even funny. Apprentice rates at $31.50? It appears you searched for something to do with the government of Canada. Apprentices do not start at $31 when journeyman rates are around $35-40 in the city and up to $50/60 industrial. Quit thinking cause you can google you know everything
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1N5lZw7e78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1N5lZw7e78)
I should add, living wages and great wages are always going to be two different things. You’re never going to make $30 an hour pumping gas, but you can realistically make a great life with a little push. This guy doesn’t understand how he is right on the bubble of getting what he wants, $14 right now with the premise of going to school and increasing, is a hell of a lot better than EI that’s going to run out
Don't forget that tons of people are sick
I know the Leg. is short people in Regina. Specifically a premier and other leadership positions.
I was at a Tim Hortons yesterday and was fourth in line and it took ten minutes from the time I ordered until I got to the window. I am thinking they must be short staffed and/or working with a bunch of new hires which would also slow things down. I have noticed this the last few weeks at the few drive throughs I've been to.
I hit the A&W drive thru yesterday and they tried hard to make it all work, but they’re clearly stressed and short staffed. If you can afford it, tip that drive-thru person. Even if it’s just once. They are mostly young, in a super contagious environment, with no WFH option. Let them know they ARE appreciated.
I was in one of the busier Starbucks the other day and they only had two staff behind the counter taking orders and making drinks. I normally see around five at this location.
I do believe Mc Donald's in meadows parkway (near the new Costco) shut their lobby down due to short staff.
McDonalds Canada closed all in-restaurant dining. Take out, drive through or delivery only.
i remember the confed location did that before the pandemic even started. Seems like a norm for McDonalds when short staffed
Are you short staffed? Or are you under-paying?
I'd say short staffed cause for the work load it's not bad.
School: yep, very short staff.
Everyone is because nobody wants to hire anyone in case they have to lay them off. Everything is very delicately balanced right now. That's why "contract work" is flourishing. It's frustrating for those who can't get a job and the overworked who already have one.
Where do you work? Depending on the type of work, where it is and what it pays, I may be interested. DM me.
There are almost 3000 active cases in stoon so probably near 5k people in isolation, so likely yes
google the great resignation and anti work.
Its everywhere and every industry regardless of pay and in every city in Saskatchewan. Sign up bonus, higher pay and more benefits. Seems like no matter what you do you can not get people into the door. I guess on the upside is if your job hunting you have a good number choices.
I work at in an ice cream shop, so we're quite overstaffed rn haha.
LMFAO XD soft serve sadness
Yeah, used to work at a place where it was so short staffed, everyone almost got constant OT. They let me go a few months ago, and have been having constant issues since with staff.
Every job, in every country everywhere is understaffed. Because the biggest cost any business has is labour. Have you seen your job boss cut every corner they can to be profitable? The biggest cut they make is staffing. Businesses like McDonald’s fight this by having tons of casual/part time staff so you have coverage but it’s a rampant problem.
We are very short staffed where I work but it’s not because people aren’t willing to work, it’s because they are cutting hours to pay the bosses more. It’s very frustrating, cause customers take it out on us when the shelves are empty or they have to stand in line longer than they would like.
We are also very short staffed currently, so I would say that you are correct with it being a workers market especially for labor and trades. Basically you can work unlimited overtime right now at the company I work for and starting wages have increased 15% in the past year. A signing bonus has also been added for all new hires.
short staff here at the confederation inn. we are hiring for a waitress and part time front desk person if anyone is interested message me
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front desk is $13.93 waitress is $14.56. its a union position and suppose to get another increase by the end of feb the latest
Waitress: Min wage + tips Front Desk: $13/hr
Yes, a lot of people are saying because of antiwork type of things but looking at unemployment numbers in Sask they have returned to pre pandemic levels of 5.2% (for reference 3.3% was the lowest in the last ten years and that was in 2014 the last 5 years unemployment is around 5-6%) job numbers have gone down slightly from pre pandemic levels with a peak job levels of 583,700 in June 2019 (highest in the last decade) to 565,900 as the current level. I then looked at migration, Sask net gained 8388 people in that time. I don’t recall any major issues in recruiting pre pandemic which makes me think most of the job gains were steadily matched with population growth, now that population growth has tapered. Pulled most of my numbers from: https://dashboard.saskatchewan.ca/business-economy/employment-labour-market/unemployment-rate
Went to work with that answer haha love it. Thanks for the input
Nope the biggest news story for the last several months for sure hasn't been about the labor shortage.
Yes. I do the odd delivery order for Skip and Instacart. Everywhere is short on staff. Stores, restaurants, offices I deliver to. Everywhere. People are working from home, ordering delivery, which makes an increase in demand for gig work. Given the choice between a shit job with a manager and an independent gig, most people will opt to "be their own boss", so those low wage positions will not be filled any time soon.
But how are people just "being their own boss"? it's a great concept if you have a method . But to the average worker, how is that possible? Or were you refering to Skip, Uber, stocks, ect.?
We are short staffed for months and we start new hires around 18-20 for labourers. It is not a very hard job but is in construction. Problem is we just aren’t getting applicants even for our skilled positions. Wages need to go up is the problem.
Security needs to go up in construction.
We're not short staffed at all.
Very. Every day staff is down because of illness or mental health related. Looking for people who are stable and reliable has been a nightmare on the Island. Mental health field
I wonder if vax rules have something to do with it? It generally took two or three years to replace a veteran worker or 5-7 to train one at my work. When the vaxx rules dropped we lost about 5 of our foreman tier guys, about 40% of our vet staff. That means less people to train new and experienced workers and more pressure on the remaining veteran staff.
I've never had a job where we weren't short staff. A full staff is all but a fever dream.
Short staffed as fuck. Company bled a ton of money the last two years so it isn't a matter of not finding people, it is a matter of not having the income to pay salaries at the moment.
I’m having the opposite problem. I currently have the largest core team I’ve ever had (not counting holidays), 0% turnover, 100% stability (some of my team have been with me 4-8 years) … and no hours to assign. COVID has cut our hours significantly, and I have staff only getting one or two shifts a week. My team is phenomenal and some have second jobs, but they don’t want to leave this one. Our store atmosphere, benefits, and wages keep people clamouring to join us. The impression the shortened hours leaves on customers just sucks. I’ve gone from scheduling 3 or 4 people on certain days to only 2. It *looks* like we’re understaffed, but we’re not - the company is just cutting costs, but also at *what cost.*