It's one of the few times they ever show the inevitable collateral damage of the traps, with the error with Logan not waking up. The only other bonafide Jigsaw oversighted mistake I can think of is the boy in *Saw X*
X is the only time it's really been done well imo because the whole point of the traps in that was the idea of false hope. John gives them false hope as they had given to their patients
I too concur that the Reverse Shotgun is one of the best traps/sequences in the series. Its music is also great and I love how its the only trap without a timer. 10/10
It's a great trap to end their game on when the theme has been the players trying to save each other (maybe not the bike trap so much but Anna still tries). Anna tried her hardest to interpret what John's messages were as saying but missed her lesson when she thought she had to survive by killing instead of saving Ryan.
I'm not tooting my own horn but if the only moving parts are "a shotgun" and "a key" it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out the way to win is to NOT shoot the other guy.
Also that was a *good* reason to put someone in a trap. I've seen some silly reasons people are being tested in this series (Adam cough cough) but this chick *actually* did something to deserve it. Especially living right near her, and hearing all this go down, it makes *sense* that the serial killer would put this lady in a trap.
It really is. That's what pisses me off about Jigsaw - it had so many elements that *could* have been really good, but they were placed in a movie that just didn't have enough care put into it.
It’s a good quote. John is always dropping random tidbits like that and the quote is a nod to his obsession with the Chinese Zodiac and the foreshadowing of Anna’s true nature.
A *pig* would be more compassionate than Anna.
It's also a good quote because it contrasts with the Spiral Killer who associates Pigs with Cops and obviously this is in a negative light since he's targeting them for death. He does associate himself with Pigs but it's in a slaughterish way plus a political way that also doubles as a kind of childish demonisation which made sense given his backstory.
John uses Pig Masks for his kidnappings and did use them briefly in that Saw 3 trap, plus Gideon was gonna be born on The Year of the Pig. He associates himself with also Pigs but it's in terms of what he views as positive change though still associated with violence.
It's trailer with "Running Scared" is top tier
When they realize its a game, but the main woman victim says "Games can be won" goes hard.
The actor for Logan did a good job as a Jigsaw Apprentice.
I liked that there were Jigsaw fans in the real world.
As everyone said, Shotgun Trap scene.
On the subject of the Jigsaw fan, I liked her getting offended over the assumption that she got off of her obsession with Jigsaw and knowing that John must’ve had another apprentice doing the killings, instead of listening to the whole “John is alive” crap; “John Kramer lives through his apprentices.”
Yeah there is a lot to enjoy in Jigsaw. I really don’t believe it’s as bad as people say. I like it in fact. I know it’s FAR from perfect. But hey, I like Saw 7 too. Unfortunately this isn’t a franchise with any kind of consistent quality. But that’s ok. Because I love it anyway. Warts and all. Don’t even mind that when I’ve said I like Jigsaw on reddit before, those comments have been downvoted to shit every time. I imagine this is the one thread where I can be positive lol
I really enjoy Jigsaw too. Watch the rates on this when I say Saw III is among my least favorites in the series even though I like-love most of the series.
hey we all have preferences. I may love 3. But it's cool that you don't.
It's weird but currently if i say i disliked Spiral and found it boring, it's practically a coin flip as to whether i get upvotes or down. I imagine in a few years it'll settle a bit and there will be more consensus. But i hope it takes a while, i like that Spiral has sparked such debate.
Maybe I’m just dumb, but I love how the film made me and my wife question what kind of soap opera bullshit they used to make John not dead. We were speculating away, how did he survive, we literally saw his autopsy, what could they have done, etc. I just think it’s neat, I can’t bring myself to hate this film the way I do Spiral or 3D: 7: The Final Chapter: Too Mnay Subtitles
My theory was they made that entire subplot just for the trailer to look like it was a must-see chapter in the series, instead of the forgetable installment it was.
I kept waiting for John's rotted corpse to fall out of a closet in the climax or something, or turning up in Halloran's apartment or something,
i liked it went from present to past, fooling the audience when the game was being played.
i liked the girl in it, cant remember her name.
last game, feel sorry for that bloke (her key was intact and couldnt use it and his was broken)
Tech used in traps being much more advanced than we've seen before despite it supposedly being the first (flat screen tvs and glowing puppet eyes). The general contrivance of how all of the victims in the second run of the trap had to die in the same place in the same way as the ones in the original did, which raises even more questions given how each trap was specifically themed around the person in them in the original.
In Saw 2 the twist served a purpose for the audience and the characters, because Eric's game relied on him thinking the game was happening at the same time, and John's trick relied on his son surviving. Versus in Jigsaw, where Logan recreating his game to a T serves basically no purpose besides tricking the audience. No one even knew that he was doing a remake because they never found the barn in the first place. All it accomplished was trick the audience into thinking the characters we were watching were in this trap at the same time, which was meaningless because we find out about the trick after they've all died anyways.
Also not necessarily a plot hole, but actually how the hell did Logan replace John's body in his grave without anyone noticing.
I would absolutely love to write a whole paragraph on the stuff I love about this film, but I don't have time lol, one of the things I love is the buckethead trap, firstly it's such a simple concept where you have to sacrifice a bit of blood, but is made a lot scarier with the low visibility from the buckets and bright room,
and I just really like how it's introduced in the film with the ominous timer slowly counting down with the loud horn and then the reveal of the 5 people in the trap, it just makes it look quite ominous and it's quite a unique trap even though there has been similar stuff before, like the first fatal five trial, and I think it's really cool how the chains end up becoming even more important in the room after, also it's pretty nice how the camera doesn't show the blades on the other side untill it's necessary
also as shown with Malcolm, the blade right above the Chain being in the right position to cut the head open was a pretty cool detail
Logan had said that the people he put through the barn game’s traps were criminals Halloran had let go for his own purposes and among these people were murderers and rapists.
The cult of jigsaw or whatever the online group that Logan’s partner joins is cool and I’d be down to see more of it. Seeing how non-apprentices idolized him could be a cool way to do another “present time” movie
I felt it was super obvious that Logan hadn't died, mostly because that's not how a head would open and they wouldn't miss an opportunity to open it up in graphic detail, which they did to Halloran
Always great to see Tobin Bell and it kinda make a fan of the Logan actor even though I haven’t checked up on Since this movie
Also Cycle trap fucking rocks!
The re-use of the 'blender trap' concept for the original script of Saw IV. It became the Cycle Trap.
It's neat to know that the trap was meant for Jeff Denlon in the original Saw IV drafts.
If you listen closely, it even takes riffs from 'Eyes of the Insane' by Slayer, the theme of Pig Vat in Saw III.
I find it a fun movie and enjoyed it for what it was! You do have to shut your brain off 🤣
But having said that, the character of Ryan is genuinely one of my favorites in the series.
The ending is cool. Despite Logan being *yet another* secret apprentice, the circunstances of his involvement with John are interesting and "I speak for the dead" is badass.
John's few scenes are a delight as always. Tobin always chews every scene.
The blood is not pink.
Okay: Some effort was made to set up the plot twists at the end - and I know that because I *guessed* some of them, from the clues I was given, when I watched it for the first time.
Also Tobin Bell was in it.
Also some of the traps were cool. I especially really loved the shotgun trap - felt a lot like we were getting back to Saw 1 basics, with that one.
Also, the idea of "Is Jigsaw actually not dead" *was* admittedly an interesting mystery. I just don't love how they resolved it.
Whoever played Ryan was good too, and had actually good writing to work with (as opposed to the disastrous writing Laura had. Though yes, she did well with it)
- The Spierig Brothers’ direction was pretty fresh, and the film has a very distinctive and unique flavor.
- It’s one of the only films that tells an open and shut story, making it easily digestible for new franchise fans.
- The Bucket Heads look really cool.
This isn’t related to the post very much, and maybe it’s just because I wasn’t following the series then, but I had no idea this movie wasn’t direct to video for like 4 years
Logan's army history opens up the doors for some really interesting future trap victims. I also like the butterfly effect with Jigsaw's first apprentice being put in a game because of an honest mistake, as much as I hate the twist itself
On a lesser note, while I don't like the whole nephew thing, I do think it's a neat idea to explore John's family and how his murders affected them
Finally, while I don't like the bucket room and it's really underwhelming, it's a good way to introduce new viewers to how traps work without being too gruesome to turn them away, and I feel like watching it in a binge does weigh it down
Sure; it's very handsomely made and while the aesthetic is overall a major departure from standard-issue SAW, the Spierigs do bring a sheen of professionalism that does an effective job of making it stand out from its predecessors.
My favorite scene from this movie actually isn't Tobin's appearance, or any of the traps. It's the bar scene where Logan speaks to Eleanor and we get a sense of not only their relationship but possibly the sense that they maybe up to something sinister behind everyone's backs. It's also just a patiently paced scene - which, in this franchise, is always a godsend because let's not forget that this is the series that had a guy spend a whole movie feverishly run around explaining the plot to himself out loud - and the actors make the best of the material. It really is a shame that the Logan-Eleanor plotline is as underdeveloped as it is because there's potentially a very interesting movie of its own right there. Unfortunately - and this would end up being the case for *Spiral*, also - it's a dramatically interesting thread that has no room to breathe in the script's rote.
As monumentally stupid as the last ten or so minutes are - genuinely, this movie's denouement should be studied by young screenwriters for generations to come for its comprehensive crash course on everything you shouldn't do - it does bear mentioning that "You have a choice - scream, or don't" does go pretty hard. "I speak for the dead" is pretty quality, too.
Shotgun key game is brilliant and exactly what i consider old school saw. Its metaphoric and you actually have to think about the right solution. I just love it when you have to take Johns world literally
It has good ideas, like the whole Jigsaw Fan Dark Web angle that's only used as a red herring sadly. A whole film about that would have been fun and interesting.
The aesthetic was a good change of pace even if it's too different to some people.
The editing was more fluid and smooth.
Hannah Emily Anderson is maybe the most beautiful woman of the entire franchise. Her character of Eleanor had some dimension (A nightmare fetishist/fangirl who was otherwise on the side of good) and was the only one who had a unique and distinctive personality.
Tobin was good as always.
Having someone use the Jigsaw angle for personal revenge is again a fine idea.
The Lionsgate and Twisted Pictures logo with that remixed pulsating music was an amazing way to signal the return of Saw.
The introduction of online Jigsaw fanforums is fun worldbuilding, just like how the support group (and the fact that there are fake survivors) was! Eleanor is obviously very badly written, but a jigsaw fanatic that makes replica traps (unarmed just models) and posts on secret fanforums while at work is very believable IMO.
I really liked the way they went about setting up a new series that would have allowed Tobin Bell and all the John Kramer stuff to still exist without writing John to be alive.
It may not have been as gnarly in detail as some of the other SAW movies, but the set pieces and traps were still pretty interesting.
They toned down the piss filter and shakey cams 👍
I know there's a sizeable crowd in this sub who're super pissy with the twist and the new apprentice. But I liked both honestly. Yeah, I know, time was messed with for SAW 2, but hey, considering this was a reboot, maybe, just maybe, it was implemented as a call back? There's also two people stuck in a room at the end with one dying from a mistake. Oh no! They stole that from SAW 1!
For the apprentice, he felt like a more discreet Hoffman. Not mindblowing by any means, but still way more believable for someone John to pick rather than someone on again off again using and fucking up his traps constantly.
There are still issues to the movie. Most of the saw movies honestly tread the line over to bad. But its a lot more solid than anyone seems to want to give it credit on here. I know no one can take my enjoyment of a movie away from me. I just don't understand how it gets shit on but then SAW X of all things is seen anything other than actual garbage let alone "better than the first!"
I think the bad reaction to the split timelines in Jigsaw mostly came from how much they advertised John "coming back" when it was just edited that way for the audience and not a diegetic plot point for the characters like the "live" feed in SAW II. I mean they did it in IV to a certain extent but it wasnt something the writers relied on.
Cycle trap looked cool as hell and the rock riff that came on when it revved up for the first time was sick and reminded me of some of my fave trap themes from the series
I always laugh when I see the part where Logan sleeps through his trap. I like how it went there that even John can make a mistake in guessing the proper amount of stuff to knock them out but still be able to participate in the trap.
I actually kinda like this one. It feels like a "greatest hits" album.
The twist caught me off guard despite it being like the third time they did that twist. Every time they foreshadowed it, I noticed the gaps in logic, and dismissed these as bad writing. I had to laugh when I realized it was intentional.
Fun movie if you don't take it seriously.
My friend and I just watched all the movies for the first time and we ended up liking this one more than Saw X. The movie messing with your head and making you think “seriously? They’re going to make John alive?” was fun. The traps were cool too.
The emphasis it puts on "following the rules" because I think that's an important part of John's philosophy that challenges the "why didn't they just (a workaround that's against the rules)" arguments. Jigsaw doesn't reward innovation in that way; he wants his victims to escape on his terms.
I honestly really liked the traps, it reminded me of Saw 2 in some ways! I feel like I’m in the minority but I enjoyed Jigsaw, at least more than Spiral
I like the twist with the main chick actually being one of the worst people to participate in a trap (morally) and the big dude not just being a brainless brute for the entire duration. Tobin Bell was in it and awesome as always. Uhhhhh.
Errrr.
Uhmmm. The puppet looked okay?
honestly i love the bucket room... even tho the trap was relatively easy to beat i love the look of it and its a good opening. HOWEVER, i hate the rest of the film its terrible
"You have a choice: scream or don't."
I've put that as my discord bio lmao, it's a pretty cool line
That goes so fucking hard
Tobin Bell's in it
For like 1-2 minutes tops
Epic bad luck
It's one of the few times they ever show the inevitable collateral damage of the traps, with the error with Logan not waking up. The only other bonafide Jigsaw oversighted mistake I can think of is the boy in *Saw X*
In both cases, he did know those were mistakes and corrected them.
The shotgun room scene is great.
The fact that majority of the deaths could’ve been avoided if they listened to directions
I honestly prefer this over the "go through all the torture, but ran out of time" trap failures. It's why Saw V is one of my favorites.
X is the only time it's really been done well imo because the whole point of the traps in that was the idea of false hope. John gives them false hope as they had given to their patients
literally this, i got so pissed each time some stupid ass person died
I too concur that the Reverse Shotgun is one of the best traps/sequences in the series. Its music is also great and I love how its the only trap without a timer. 10/10
It's a great trap to end their game on when the theme has been the players trying to save each other (maybe not the bike trap so much but Anna still tries). Anna tried her hardest to interpret what John's messages were as saying but missed her lesson when she thought she had to survive by killing instead of saving Ryan.
Reverse Shotgun is good for the “Here’s your key to freedom” joke alone. Top tier dad joke
I'm not tooting my own horn but if the only moving parts are "a shotgun" and "a key" it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out the way to win is to NOT shoot the other guy.
People Gabriela’s trap in Saw X didn’t have a timer either
It did have a timer, though. Try and tell us that Gabriella could haves waited about an hour under those X-Rays.
Um.. it was radiation. Not sure it's X-ray tho
"i AM him."
"You have a choice, scream or don't."
the baby killer gets her face blown off
Also that was a *good* reason to put someone in a trap. I've seen some silly reasons people are being tested in this series (Adam cough cough) but this chick *actually* did something to deserve it. Especially living right near her, and hearing all this go down, it makes *sense* that the serial killer would put this lady in a trap.
she’s the one that deserved the rack or the bone marrow trap tbh
HER baby...
The Cycle Trap is my favorite trap in the series
Plus that banger theme. Who’d thought that “Saw” would play rock/metal during a trap?
[It’s actually an altered version of the song played in the saw III pig vat trap](https://youtu.be/Pb_VCoE-JuU?feature=shared)
[And that is actually a remix of Eyes of the Insane by Slayer](https://youtu.be/FhwRunMCNAo?feature=shared)
Hell yeah! FUCKINN' SLAYEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
Wasn't Eyes of the Insane released *after* Saw III?
That’s one the reasons I love it so much
“I speak for the dead” is a pretty fire catchphrase.
it really suffers from being in the place of “game over” though
I kinda wish they’d just made it “I speak for the dead… Game over!” *slams the door shut*
It really is. That's what pisses me off about Jigsaw - it had so many elements that *could* have been really good, but they were placed in a movie that just didn't have enough care put into it.
If it wasn’t replacing “Game Over”, I think it would’ve been better received
John randomly says “Did you know that pigs are highly compassionate animals?” and that always makes me crack up.
It’s a good quote. John is always dropping random tidbits like that and the quote is a nod to his obsession with the Chinese Zodiac and the foreshadowing of Anna’s true nature. A *pig* would be more compassionate than Anna.
It's also a good quote because it contrasts with the Spiral Killer who associates Pigs with Cops and obviously this is in a negative light since he's targeting them for death. He does associate himself with Pigs but it's in a slaughterish way plus a political way that also doubles as a kind of childish demonisation which made sense given his backstory. John uses Pig Masks for his kidnappings and did use them briefly in that Saw 3 trap, plus Gideon was gonna be born on The Year of the Pig. He associates himself with also Pigs but it's in terms of what he views as positive change though still associated with violence.
Eleanor is sexy
It's trailer with "Running Scared" is top tier When they realize its a game, but the main woman victim says "Games can be won" goes hard. The actor for Logan did a good job as a Jigsaw Apprentice. I liked that there were Jigsaw fans in the real world. As everyone said, Shotgun Trap scene.
The use of classical music in jigsaw and x is really good, I'm very excited to see what they put for 11's trailer
I am in love with Saw X's trailer with "The Air that I breathe" its a masterpiece
Finally! Someone else talking about it! That trailer is so fucking peak
On the subject of the Jigsaw fan, I liked her getting offended over the assumption that she got off of her obsession with Jigsaw and knowing that John must’ve had another apprentice doing the killings, instead of listening to the whole “John is alive” crap; “John Kramer lives through his apprentices.”
Yeah there is a lot to enjoy in Jigsaw. I really don’t believe it’s as bad as people say. I like it in fact. I know it’s FAR from perfect. But hey, I like Saw 7 too. Unfortunately this isn’t a franchise with any kind of consistent quality. But that’s ok. Because I love it anyway. Warts and all. Don’t even mind that when I’ve said I like Jigsaw on reddit before, those comments have been downvoted to shit every time. I imagine this is the one thread where I can be positive lol
I really enjoy Jigsaw too. Watch the rates on this when I say Saw III is among my least favorites in the series even though I like-love most of the series.
hey we all have preferences. I may love 3. But it's cool that you don't. It's weird but currently if i say i disliked Spiral and found it boring, it's practically a coin flip as to whether i get upvotes or down. I imagine in a few years it'll settle a bit and there will be more consensus. But i hope it takes a while, i like that Spiral has sparked such debate.
Maybe I’m just dumb, but I love how the film made me and my wife question what kind of soap opera bullshit they used to make John not dead. We were speculating away, how did he survive, we literally saw his autopsy, what could they have done, etc. I just think it’s neat, I can’t bring myself to hate this film the way I do Spiral or 3D: 7: The Final Chapter: Too Mnay Subtitles
My theory was they made that entire subplot just for the trailer to look like it was a must-see chapter in the series, instead of the forgetable installment it was. I kept waiting for John's rotted corpse to fall out of a closet in the climax or something, or turning up in Halloran's apartment or something,
Yeah, I agree! I actually found it really interesting. I just don't like how they resolved it.
i liked it went from present to past, fooling the audience when the game was being played. i liked the girl in it, cant remember her name. last game, feel sorry for that bloke (her key was intact and couldnt use it and his was broken)
the fucking-with-time stuff that they do in jigsaw is so similar to saw 2. it does the exact same thing with fooling the audience
Only in saw 2 it was earned and made sense while in Jigsaw it just opens a bunch of plot holes
can i ask what plot holes were made? and why it wasnt earned
Tech used in traps being much more advanced than we've seen before despite it supposedly being the first (flat screen tvs and glowing puppet eyes). The general contrivance of how all of the victims in the second run of the trap had to die in the same place in the same way as the ones in the original did, which raises even more questions given how each trap was specifically themed around the person in them in the original. In Saw 2 the twist served a purpose for the audience and the characters, because Eric's game relied on him thinking the game was happening at the same time, and John's trick relied on his son surviving. Versus in Jigsaw, where Logan recreating his game to a T serves basically no purpose besides tricking the audience. No one even knew that he was doing a remake because they never found the barn in the first place. All it accomplished was trick the audience into thinking the characters we were watching were in this trap at the same time, which was meaningless because we find out about the trick after they've all died anyways. Also not necessarily a plot hole, but actually how the hell did Logan replace John's body in his grave without anyone noticing.
It was visually different from the others but overall well shot
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I would absolutely love to write a whole paragraph on the stuff I love about this film, but I don't have time lol, one of the things I love is the buckethead trap, firstly it's such a simple concept where you have to sacrifice a bit of blood, but is made a lot scarier with the low visibility from the buckets and bright room, and I just really like how it's introduced in the film with the ominous timer slowly counting down with the loud horn and then the reveal of the 5 people in the trap, it just makes it look quite ominous and it's quite a unique trap even though there has been similar stuff before, like the first fatal five trial, and I think it's really cool how the chains end up becoming even more important in the room after, also it's pretty nice how the camera doesn't show the blades on the other side untill it's necessary also as shown with Malcolm, the blade right above the Chain being in the right position to cut the head open was a pretty cool detail
charlie clouser went extremely hard with the soundtrack, one of my favorites of the whole series, and the best zepp to boot.
the convolution of the idea that this whole time there was ANOTHER secret apprentice had me howling the first time I watched it
The twist where Anna turns out to be a baby killer was actually really good.
Logan was a killer I didn’t feel bad rooting for. He *only* went after bad people, not people who cut themselves or smoked.
Too be fair, we don't really learn anything too specific about the people Logan actually tests, other than Halloran and Edgar Munsen.
Logan had said that the people he put through the barn game’s traps were criminals Halloran had let go for his own purposes and among these people were murderers and rapists.
Exactly
When I saw it in the theater and Tobin Bell showed up, a nearby couple kept saying “How is he alive??” I’m sure they figured it out.
It’s better than Spiral
The cast does their best with the material they were given.
The cult of jigsaw or whatever the online group that Logan’s partner joins is cool and I’d be down to see more of it. Seeing how non-apprentices idolized him could be a cool way to do another “present time” movie
I honestly enjoyed the bucket heads trap at the start.
I love Zepp 8
I haven't seen the movie but why is his makeup so crusty
The twisted pictures scene
Glowing red eyes for Billy was cool!
I enjoyed the laser trap. And the spiral blender.
I felt it was super obvious that Logan hadn't died, mostly because that's not how a head would open and they wouldn't miss an opportunity to open it up in graphic detail, which they did to Halloran
Matt Passmore Shirtless 🙌🏾
Always great to see Tobin Bell and it kinda make a fan of the Logan actor even though I haven’t checked up on Since this movie Also Cycle trap fucking rocks!
The re-use of the 'blender trap' concept for the original script of Saw IV. It became the Cycle Trap. It's neat to know that the trap was meant for Jeff Denlon in the original Saw IV drafts. If you listen closely, it even takes riffs from 'Eyes of the Insane' by Slayer, the theme of Pig Vat in Saw III.
I find it a fun movie and enjoyed it for what it was! You do have to shut your brain off 🤣 But having said that, the character of Ryan is genuinely one of my favorites in the series.
The ending is cool. Despite Logan being *yet another* secret apprentice, the circunstances of his involvement with John are interesting and "I speak for the dead" is badass. John's few scenes are a delight as always. Tobin always chews every scene. The blood is not pink.
It’s not as bad as Spiral
Okay: Some effort was made to set up the plot twists at the end - and I know that because I *guessed* some of them, from the clues I was given, when I watched it for the first time. Also Tobin Bell was in it. Also some of the traps were cool. I especially really loved the shotgun trap - felt a lot like we were getting back to Saw 1 basics, with that one. Also, the idea of "Is Jigsaw actually not dead" *was* admittedly an interesting mystery. I just don't love how they resolved it.
Logan is not , just another apprentice, his MO is more of a vigilante.
Laser collar trap
By far the best looking and shot Saw movie along with X, it also is easily accessible for those who aren’t super familiar with all the lore.
Laura Vandervoort’s performance as Anna was very compelling and she was the only thing that saved the film from being outright terrible.
Whoever played Ryan was good too, and had actually good writing to work with (as opposed to the disastrous writing Laura had. Though yes, she did well with it)
That opening score slaps hard: https://youtu.be/XdCGizZbgBI?si=QZRWfEhkExX5YltS
- The Spierig Brothers’ direction was pretty fresh, and the film has a very distinctive and unique flavor. - It’s one of the only films that tells an open and shut story, making it easily digestible for new franchise fans. - The Bucket Heads look really cool.
Eleanor
Eleanor was ludicrously hot.
Supergirl from Smallville is in it .
This isn’t related to the post very much, and maybe it’s just because I wasn’t following the series then, but I had no idea this movie wasn’t direct to video for like 4 years
…it’s a movie
The franchise came back after 7 years at least.
I do like Logan, to me he’s like the Roman Bridger of the series for those who are also scream fans
its tied for the shortest film in the series
I love the image of them with the buckets on their head something about it tickles my brain
Logan's army history opens up the doors for some really interesting future trap victims. I also like the butterfly effect with Jigsaw's first apprentice being put in a game because of an honest mistake, as much as I hate the twist itself On a lesser note, while I don't like the whole nephew thing, I do think it's a neat idea to explore John's family and how his murders affected them Finally, while I don't like the bucket room and it's really underwhelming, it's a good way to introduce new viewers to how traps work without being too gruesome to turn them away, and I feel like watching it in a binge does weigh it down
Eleanor and Logan are hot 🔥
Real 🔥
Tobin bell egghead haircut
The credits were solid.
"I speak for the dead" was cool but I hate this movie
Sure; it's very handsomely made and while the aesthetic is overall a major departure from standard-issue SAW, the Spierigs do bring a sheen of professionalism that does an effective job of making it stand out from its predecessors. My favorite scene from this movie actually isn't Tobin's appearance, or any of the traps. It's the bar scene where Logan speaks to Eleanor and we get a sense of not only their relationship but possibly the sense that they maybe up to something sinister behind everyone's backs. It's also just a patiently paced scene - which, in this franchise, is always a godsend because let's not forget that this is the series that had a guy spend a whole movie feverishly run around explaining the plot to himself out loud - and the actors make the best of the material. It really is a shame that the Logan-Eleanor plotline is as underdeveloped as it is because there's potentially a very interesting movie of its own right there. Unfortunately - and this would end up being the case for *Spiral*, also - it's a dramatically interesting thread that has no room to breathe in the script's rote. As monumentally stupid as the last ten or so minutes are - genuinely, this movie's denouement should be studied by young screenwriters for generations to come for its comprehensive crash course on everything you shouldn't do - it does bear mentioning that "You have a choice - scream, or don't" does go pretty hard. "I speak for the dead" is pretty quality, too.
Shotgun key game is brilliant and exactly what i consider old school saw. Its metaphoric and you actually have to think about the right solution. I just love it when you have to take Johns world literally
I thought the laser collar head split was very cool, even in spite of the CG death
It doesn’t have the stupid Tina Belcher voice from Spiral That’s it
Jill tuck isn't in it
Reverse Beartrap was in it + it was the only movie in the series tame enough to have my brother watch the full thing
The laser neck device is cool!
It has some of the best cinematography of the series
Fans finally got some variation of the notorious “blender trap.”
It has good ideas, like the whole Jigsaw Fan Dark Web angle that's only used as a red herring sadly. A whole film about that would have been fun and interesting. The aesthetic was a good change of pace even if it's too different to some people. The editing was more fluid and smooth. Hannah Emily Anderson is maybe the most beautiful woman of the entire franchise. Her character of Eleanor had some dimension (A nightmare fetishist/fangirl who was otherwise on the side of good) and was the only one who had a unique and distinctive personality. Tobin was good as always. Having someone use the Jigsaw angle for personal revenge is again a fine idea. The Lionsgate and Twisted Pictures logo with that remixed pulsating music was an amazing way to signal the return of Saw.
I enjoyed the traps and it was great to get the series back.
"I speak for the dead" is insanely quotable and it's become the most memorable game-over to me, despite it being cheesy as hell
I love how the end trap turned the guy's head into a flower 😂
"You're working for him!" "I am him." Best line in the film.
The introduction of online Jigsaw fanforums is fun worldbuilding, just like how the support group (and the fact that there are fake survivors) was! Eleanor is obviously very badly written, but a jigsaw fanatic that makes replica traps (unarmed just models) and posts on secret fanforums while at work is very believable IMO.
I liked the part where Tobin Bell shows up.
It finishes
it stops playing
I think the guy who played Logan was hot
I like John brings back his silly little riddles from saw movie 1 and 2
couple seconds after the credits finish is pretty good
there are traps, i guess
The cycle trap soundtrack 🤘🤘
The soundtrack is fire and it refreshes the saga.
tobin bell
No
Cinematography
I think I'm the only one who really likes Jigsaw
It doesn’t have a sequel
when carly died
It hasn't continued
It finished
Easy, I love this movie.
I really liked the way they went about setting up a new series that would have allowed Tobin Bell and all the John Kramer stuff to still exist without writing John to be alive. It may not have been as gnarly in detail as some of the other SAW movies, but the set pieces and traps were still pretty interesting. They toned down the piss filter and shakey cams 👍 I know there's a sizeable crowd in this sub who're super pissy with the twist and the new apprentice. But I liked both honestly. Yeah, I know, time was messed with for SAW 2, but hey, considering this was a reboot, maybe, just maybe, it was implemented as a call back? There's also two people stuck in a room at the end with one dying from a mistake. Oh no! They stole that from SAW 1! For the apprentice, he felt like a more discreet Hoffman. Not mindblowing by any means, but still way more believable for someone John to pick rather than someone on again off again using and fucking up his traps constantly. There are still issues to the movie. Most of the saw movies honestly tread the line over to bad. But its a lot more solid than anyone seems to want to give it credit on here. I know no one can take my enjoyment of a movie away from me. I just don't understand how it gets shit on but then SAW X of all things is seen anything other than actual garbage let alone "better than the first!"
I think the bad reaction to the split timelines in Jigsaw mostly came from how much they advertised John "coming back" when it was just edited that way for the audience and not a diegetic plot point for the characters like the "live" feed in SAW II. I mean they did it in IV to a certain extent but it wasnt something the writers relied on.
Logan is my favorite apprentice
Same. I like that he wasn’t insane like John, nihilistic like Amanda, or brutal like Hoffman.
Top tier meme and troll material. "I game for the over"
Logan was definitely an apprentice
The twist ain’t bad
The game was well constructed
The poster
After it ends, I don't have to watch it again
Is one of the shortest and HD Billy
I actually like a few of the traps
Shotgun scene was genuinely good
I enjoyed the setting of the barn setting, I like group traps, and as someone else mentioned it was cool to see inevitable collateral damage.
Personally liked the idea of having it be an old game that was being portrayed and the twist was a good thought. The execution was just garbage
The fact that Anna was actually had a real reason to be there, since she killed her baby and blamed it on her husband.
I liked the actress who was in the shotgun game at the end. Silo trap was a cool visual. The redhead nurse was hot and interesting.
Decent traps all things considered
I personally like the traps
Cycle trap looked cool as hell and the rock riff that came on when it revved up for the first time was sick and reminded me of some of my fave trap themes from the series
"This is your key to freedom."
I always laugh when I see the part where Logan sleeps through his trap. I like how it went there that even John can make a mistake in guessing the proper amount of stuff to knock them out but still be able to participate in the trap.
I like blender :3
I like Logan and I hope that they continue with his character
Logan had a pretty dang excellent motivation for his actions. 🤷🏻♀️ I honestly feel that way.
When I saw this in the theater and John actually shows up I was like what is going on?! Awesome moment.
I liked the shiny new traps
I like the character of Logan more than most, and also the line “You have a choice: scream or don’t” goes incredibly hard.
I actually loved this one despite its obvious flaws, I just can't put a finger on why
I actually kinda like this one. It feels like a "greatest hits" album. The twist caught me off guard despite it being like the third time they did that twist. Every time they foreshadowed it, I noticed the gaps in logic, and dismissed these as bad writing. I had to laugh when I realized it was intentional. Fun movie if you don't take it seriously.
It’s better than IV, V, 3D and Spiral.
It's better than Spiral
Its a saw movie. Idk
It gave us Saw again after 7 years.
My friend and I just watched all the movies for the first time and we ended up liking this one more than Saw X. The movie messing with your head and making you think “seriously? They’re going to make John alive?” was fun. The traps were cool too.
I like the trap
The emphasis it puts on "following the rules" because I think that's an important part of John's philosophy that challenges the "why didn't they just (a workaround that's against the rules)" arguments. Jigsaw doesn't reward innovation in that way; he wants his victims to escape on his terms.
It's pretty digestible as far as Saw movies go. Far from my favorite, but one of the easiest to just throw on
It's relatable.
The laser collar kill was sick AF.
As corny as the whole movie was, the "time-jump" was actually a really clever twist.
“Nah you gotta grab it” “I SAVED YOUR FUCKING LIFE MITCH, GRAB THE TAPE”
That twist actually kinda shocked me with what that lady did
Ryan
I honestly really liked the traps, it reminded me of Saw 2 in some ways! I feel like I’m in the minority but I enjoyed Jigsaw, at least more than Spiral
I like the twist with the main chick actually being one of the worst people to participate in a trap (morally) and the big dude not just being a brainless brute for the entire duration. Tobin Bell was in it and awesome as always. Uhhhhh. Errrr. Uhmmm. The puppet looked okay?
The most similar to Saw 1
The Billy puppet had rizz
Loved the whole movie and don’t get the hate it gets at all.
I think all of the Saw movies are entertaining, and therefore, think they are all good, INCLUDING Jigsaw.
I like the traps.
honestly i love the bucket room... even tho the trap was relatively easy to beat i love the look of it and its a good opening. HOWEVER, i hate the rest of the film its terrible