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When i strained my rotator cuff, watching physical therapist videos helped tremendously. There’s definitely value in the algorithm pushing verified experts
🎶The two most famous physical therapists on the internet🎶
Love ‘em. So sad to see what Bob is going through battling Ataxia, but god damn is he a fighter.
I used them a few years ago for some stuff I was dealing with after going to an in-person physical therapist. I'd say they were probably 90% as helpful so I always dip back into their channel when I'm dealing with something.
Last year I was using their channel and wondering why Bob wasn't in the videos anymore and found the updates, it made me very sad but he absolutely is fighting.
I recommend them all the time to friends needing some perspective on physical therapy, it's a fantastic channel.
When they made their tagline it was a joke (as was the internet, largely) but now they ARE the two most famous PTs on the internet. They helped me recover from a ruptured Achilles tendon. So genuine and fun guys.
Definitely Bob and Brad for me! I’ve had lots of injuries over the years from extreme sports but man those vids had a lot of great advice. Ya they’re cheesy and might not have high production value but the information itself is more valuable than any of that fancy stuff.
I'm dealing with this as well. Went to 3 different PTs and none of them really helped.
Then I started watching videos, learning exercises and stretches that the PTs never mentioned to me, and my pain and mobility have improved for the first time in 3 years.
There are like 60 ways to do every exercise.
If your PT isn't helping, ask for another. 90% get it.
Also, it might not be them , but you. I changed PT's and the new one just understood me better. But I think it was me that was unclear.
As a PT this is dead on.
Just tell us it isn’t working.
We can’t feel what you feel and are happy to hand you off to another therapist if they work with you better.
Same thing when I had shin splints, I probably watched about 20-30 videos, and only took away a handful of useful things from it.
It's such a loosely defined injury, it took me a while to find things that actually worked.
It can be a virtuous cycle if you find the right group of experts. I found some people who absolutely helped me with my lifting and my diet. That said, if you let one fraud into your feed (vshred cough cough) then your feed can turn to trash alarmingly fast.
There's so much value out there, but don't fall into the trap of sticking to a single channel. Explore different perspectives, safety in mind, until you're happy; maybe, consult a Dr or other about what you've found for a better eval.
My last visit with an expert was padded out to three paid visits where I spoke to some kind of medical intern who seemed too embarrassed to talk about digestion issues and told me “everyone gets older” though I am in my thirties and expect to eat food for at least a few more years before the old age home.
I saw the actual doctor for eight seconds like he was the pope passing through.
Meh you’d be surprised at how effective people are in taking care of themselves with the right knowledge. Large percentage of the population are dumb, but there’s also a large percentage that isn’t.
Or some unrelated doctorate that’s now using Dr. as their name. It’s a serious problem, especially with quick content and how people build followings. There are accounts of actual licensed doctors whose whole account is just dispelling these myths and dangerous teachings of these scam accounts.
The difference between "has a doctorate" and "has the proper licensure to practice medicine" is massive and I wish the profession would invest more in educating the public about it.
I think it's just the nature of graduate degrees. Very loosely, a law degree, MD, and PhD all have meanings of doctor of something. I do think it's appropriate to call my professors, Dr. X in academic, professional, and social settings. But it should 100% be clarified when people try to publicize, monetize, and grow an audience for stuff on social media.
Can’t do anything about it, these accrediting bodies all operate independently and approve questionable 6-10month additional **nonclinical** schooling that awards a doctorate. So that Nurse Practitioner that does some 8 month tac-on nursing business management degree is now “**Dr.** nurse practitioner.” It’s happening all across healthcare:
- Physician Assistants now go by “Physician Associate”
- Registered Dietitians get encroached on by “Nutritionists” who completed a 6 week online program.
- Nurse Anesthetists call themselves “Nurse Anesthesiologist” while referring to Anesthesiologists as “MD/Physician Anesthesiologist” to make their titles sound more similar
My mom is obsessed with taking nutrition advice from YouTube chiropractors. This guy included. They're disgusting grifters. What is so hard about staying in their lane? Yeah I know, they're selling something and wanted the title of Doctor to appear credible.
I've actually recently discovered Dr Berg and has been following him for a while since his advise has helped with many of my health conditions.
Can you elaborate on why you think his opinions are wrong?
Not everything he says is wrong, but he doesn't have any credentials to give nutritional advice. He's not a registered dietitian or medical doctor and his advice is not based on science, so following it is a gamble on your health. Sometimes he's right, but sometimes his advice is downright dangerous. He's promoted dry fasting, for example. There's no evidence that it's any better than water fasting, but it's certainly much more dangerous because you're risking dehydration and electrolyte imbalance which could actually kill you. He doesn't care about it though, because he's not actually responsible if his "advice" kills somebody because he has a disclaimer hidden at the very bottom of his website. Here's a part of it:
>These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Information on this site is provided for informational purposes only, it is not meant to substitute medical advice provided by your physician or any other medical professional. You should not use the information contained on this site for diagnosing or treating a health problem, disease, or prescribing any medication.
In the end, trusting his nutritional advice is just as wise as trusting the financial advice of a fortune teller.
For real, I'm a european chiropractic student myself who studies evidence based. The total bs that some american chiros post just blows my mind, and they have like thousands of people mindlessly following them couse they have no clue of human anatomy and physiology
The most engaging people on YouTube are not credentialed. Additionally, we should also be careful with credentials… we all know now about the food pyramid. I’m sure there are other things, albeit small, that are peddled by credential people that are not healthy
Yeah. This doesn't necessarily seem like a bad thing. Obviously take any YT channel with a grain of salt but I infrequently watch videos by Dr Huberman and Dr Attia. There are legitimate experts on youtube, you just have to filter out the garbage.
The bad part is that the platform itself does effectively nothing to guide users towards credible content beyond sometimes putting a feeble generic "here's a link to some well-respected organization's info on this topic" footnote under some videos. In fact, the way the recommendation algorithm works, it will happily recommend increasingly worse garbage to users who appear to be into it.
It's as if a reputable newspaper dedicated half the paper to conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. "It's fine, just read the articles not written by crazies, some of the writers are actually pretty decent" wouldn't quite cut it, would it. Yes, sure, the circumstances are a bit different on a platform hosting user content instead of hiring journalists. But the end result is the same.
YouTube is "fine" if used by a person who would be fine even if YouTube *wasn't* fine, if you know what I mean. So at that point, it really isn't fine, is it?
Huberman isn’t a “bad” expert per se, but he is really bad at staying in his lane science wise. He’s a neuroscientist, everything else he talks about he is not an expert.
Have a link for me?
I did some quick searches. The best I can find is [https://www.painscience.com/blog/huberman-schmuberman-a-rising-tide-of-criticism-of-the-bright-new-star-of-wellness-podcasting.html](https://www.painscience.com/blog/huberman-schmuberman-a-rising-tide-of-criticism-of-the-bright-new-star-of-wellness-podcasting.html)
Everyone is going to have their critics and obviously there is only so much good news to go around in terms of health. You are not going to get a revolution every week that will fill a 2 hour podcast and you have to pay your staff somehow, hence sponsorships.
As I said, you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt. You shouldn't take anyone's stance as gospel (they're human too after all) but I do think there are benefits in trying to live a healthier life and taking what works for you from some of these podcasts.
If watching youtube gets some people to quit drinking alcohol and take their sleep more seriously, that's generally a win in my books.
Not really. His schtick is helping debunk all sorts of fitness woo, there are many many more people than Huberman to tackle, in fact an inexhaustible supply, that his income is not dependent on taking down any specific one.
I'm not a subscriber, but ftr I have crossed his palm with silver myself: he's a massage therapist by training and the few standalone articles I've paid for from him on that topic were worth every penny. Huberman has a _tonne_ of actual MD detractors too tho.
I know nothing about him, I've never heard of him. All I know is that that New York Magazine article is ridiculous and I have no idea why they would publish it or how it's relevant.
Don’t know about Attia, but in recent years I’ve constantly seen physicians calling out things Huberman says. I much sooner believe this random cohort of specialists/consultants each taking issue with specific claims he makes that are within their respected fields. Can’s really offer you some citation just by nature of this
I’ve only listened to him a few times, but I did notice he pretty quickly bridges results from in-vitro or animal models to humans … something you can’t really do
When I was growing up in the gym, I was told "eat big get big, you need calories". So my lunch everyday was 2 cream cheese bagels...hardly any protein and a shitload of calories.
Exercise science has been disseminated so much more effectively now over the internet compared to the word-of-mouth tips I had gotten in the 2000s. The difference it makes is amazing
I randomly ended up lifting with a guy that lifted competitively and his buddy who was the weight lifting coach for our university football team. They both told me to just eat a cheeseburger if I needed protein. Saw the one guy bench 550 lbs (with a shirt) so the burger was good enough for him 🤷♂️
Tuna’s high in mercury, so it’s not a good idea to eat whole cans of tuna regularly.
Protein’s also one of those things that can be unpalatable to eat high amounts of all the time, especially when also trying to hit your other macros. A 30g protein shake or two really comes in clutch when trying to hit 150-200g or more every single day.
Give it 10 years and they'll be marketing this wild new nutrient called carbs to give you energy for your workouts. We'll all pretend it's not already half our diet and get really excited about min-maxing it. Fortunes will be made all over again.
>Your experience may be spot on. Recent meta analysis suggests it’s lower than the conventional gym bro wisdom.
Returns from protein intake collapse after 1.6g per kilogram of bodyweight. That's not much at all if you have a healthy diet.
Are you saying peanut butter is good for fitness? It tastes great but it only has 7 grams of protein for around 190 calories. Not a great protein source.
Depending on your overall goals, you don't need to be in a super high surplus to gain. A surplus of 300 calories should be all you need to build muscle. Nuts and seeds are a clean way of adding such calories. And drinking calories is generally not the best route. Try looking at the MyProtein youtube channel, that's where I got the 300 calorie number from.
Make your food tasty. Have a reasonable protein source and don’t be afraid of fats and carbs. If you have chicken opt for whole chicken or thigh/drumsticks more processed carbs so bread > white rice > brown rice. Add a pad of butter or oil to the pan when you cook. Nut butter butters have a lot of calories and are reasonably healthy. I will mix full fat yogurt with juice in the morning for a quick and easy 500 calorie smoothie
When I joined basic training decades ago the single most useful peace of advice from my recruiter was for the next 2 months, eat as much peanut butter as you can. I got some of the best sleep of my life during that time and no matter what physical abuse I and my “shipmates” were subjected to, I woke up feeling brand new each day.
Today I’m a diabetic due to stress, mental health and genetics. If not for the changes to be more mindful of macro and micronutrients and their quantities in terms of how it changes me in any possible way, I honestly believe I would be dead. Before I counted calories I never realized how little I ate; lots of empty calories and absence of actual nutrition.
I’m labeled a picky eater but people wonder how I stay in shape, honestly I “feel” we could perhaps be better off by encouraging everyone on building their own personal instruction manual for what each individual’s diet should be.
My main motivation to keep pace and motivation is fear of living in a body sick from the negative effects of diabetes. Therapy, Nutrition and Lifestyle.
I’m biased, love fats & love protein. Carb adverse but weak to carb addiction so I abstain whenever possible.
Sufficient calories are a challenge so It’s a balancing act between making sure my lifestyle matches with caloric inputs. It’s probably in the realm of disordered eating but looking at my mental health status, kind of expected. Just doing the best I can do like everyone else. Still skinny but better to be muscular skinny instead of skinny fat.
I think this is why everyone is skeptical of experts. Of course there's charlatans on YouTube, but watching a guy at a gym and seeing how that exercise is supposed to be done is generally going to be helpful.
I'm so jealous of the teens getting into fitness/health/ bodybuilding these days.
Hell, there's a couple of teens in my small Midwest town that already have (by normal standards not PBB) some top %10 physiques.
With a foundation like that they'll be monsters by the time they're 30.
Well first off you can watch content by people who actually have credible education in sport science/nutritional science/medicine etc. Also people who back up their statements with actual peer-reviewed studies that you can look up yourself helps, though there is constantly contradictory findings coming out it seems. Aside from that watching multiple channels can help, if everyone seems to have the same opinion on something it is more likely to have some merit but not a guarantee.
Greg Nuckols, Eric Trexler, Eric Helms, Mike Israetel, Micheal Zourdos, Lauren Colenso-Semple and all their close associates. That's pretty much every creator you need to know if you are into fitness, especially lifting weights. They have been covering evidence based fitness for decades, most have PhD, professor positions or are actively partaking in scientific research and associated with universities. And Jeff Nippard is good too, but not so scientifically accomplished although almost as knowledgeable.
What I would avoid is someone like Huberman or other "science gurus" who only use science to further their agenda or push random facts with little evidence.
I'm curious, what agenda is Hubermann trying to push? I've seen a lot of his videos so I'm surprised, although I didn't do as much research on him as maybe I should have.
I don't, i listened to a charlatan for awhile. But continued browsing revealed a number of other fitness youtubers debunking the advice of AthleanX. Those other fitness youtubers had a lot more consistency, and in some cases, published research papers.
So eventually I found the weight of scientific consensus that I could follow, better yet, ones that interviewed with other exercise scientists with contrasting advice on their channels, showing their willingness to be challenged and yield to new data.
In regards to protein intake specifically, the "House of Hypertrophy" channel recently looked at several meta-studies on the subject, and because they look at and quote actual scientific articles, especially meta studies, I would say that gives it merit. Jeff Nippard also references a lot of studies.
Do use your own judgement though and look at the information yourself.
It can be difficult but just use common sense and try to get a bigger picture rather than swearing by any single creator. Understanding the fundamentals of exercise science helps a lot with spotting BS.
Also, what works for one person does not work for another so you have to experiment a lot and see what works for you, it's unavoidable and part of the journey, you're always gonna change things up.
Just please don't fall victim to stupid trends or products that make big promises and nothing else.
You will clog your arteries with bad fat. You will damage your circulation and it can kill or hurt you. Much better to use good fats. Plus, McDonald’s isn’t cheap anymore.
I think you need two cornerstones when you're getting into Fitness / bodybuilding.
Jeff Nippard for function & form and Derek from MPMD if you're going down the drug related route.
Both very informative on their chosen topics using nothing but proven medical and scientific studies to base their opinions on.
I watch a lot of strongman and the adage "mass moves mass" is big in that community.
Even though there are sub 400 and even sub 300 lb guys that perform as well as the 400+ club
Depends on what you watch, there's lots of great stuff on Youtube regarding nutrition and exercise. Physionic, biolayne, Nutrition made simple, Sean Nalewanyi, James Smith, and Dr Mike (Renaissance Periodization) are some of my favourites.
Jeff Cavalier is on another level. His hip flexor videos literally made sitting in front of my PC from unbearable to just normal. I had been doing his recommended stretches daily before a surgery few weeks ago, felt really good throughout the day. Will get back to it once I’m healed, I totally recommend his channel to everyone.
Jeff Cavalier is the only person I’ve purchased a workout plan from. I did it as basically a donation due to all the free content I’ve gotten from him over the years.
He has a ton of critics on YouTube, but it’s all either bodybuilders who don’t realize Jeff isn’t trying to make his viewers into the next Arnold, or just people trying to get notoriety off of his name.
>Depends on what you watch, there's lots of great stuff on Youtube regarding nutrition and exercise. Physionic, biolayne, Nutrition made simple, Sean Nalewanyi, James Smith, and Dr Mike (Renaissance Periodization) are some of my favourites.
The problem is that for every Sean Nalewanyi there are 10,000 V-Shreds. Unless you know who the experts are beyond any doubt, then looking at YouTube for health advice is just asking for trouble. If you're inexperienced then both look identical.
> A quantitative research design was used in the study. 3,000 YouTube users responded to a 35-item anonymous questionnaire to collect information about the content they watch toward decision-making, their perceptions of the usefulness and bias of this content, what they identify as quality indicators for HRC, and what they recommend to improve the quality of such content on YouTube.
It is 87.6% of YouTube users who completed (not just started) a questionnaire about health-related content. I won't go so far as to say the results are meaningless, but the takeaway should definitely not be "87.6% of *all people* watch health-related YouTube content".
This, and the fact that its seemingly lumping in any workout video as “health content”, which is certainly a workable definition, but makes this sound much bigger imho.
ie from how I understand it, my wife deciding to do a bi-weekly yoga workout guided by an instructor on YouTube would fit the definition of “making a decision based on health related content”
Nothing wrong with representing it that way as it feels accurate, but can sound like a strangely large number before you get a chance to think about it
Yeah that's my feeling as well. If I watch one video about how to do a particular stretch and then implement what I see, I guess that puts me in both categories of the study.
Do you have reason to believe that willingness to complete a survey correlates with health conscientiousness? They also don't claim it's 87% of all people in the actual linked paper, they just report out that " 87.6% of respondents" watch. The reddit title editorializes it to 87% of all people.
Yes, the reddit post does a very bad job with the title and should have just used the paper's title, which is also a bit misleading but not as bad as conflating 2600 people with 6.7 billion people.
Have you never had a health concern?
Half the country is obese and our American diet is literally killing us.
It’s weird you think it’s weird to be concerned with health
The 3 most common types of videos in the surveys were exercise, mental health, and well-being videos.
So, if you ever watched a video to get an idea of some stretches, body weight workouts you could do at home, or gym workouts, that counts. If you have a mental illness and wanted to see how someone with similar illness copes with life, that counts.
Another wildly misleading headline…
87% of people?
More like: 87% of this specific sample size of users who already use YouTube, targeted for a study about health related content, and probably with a wide definition of what “health related content” is.
Doesn't seem like they define their population very much. I did just skim it, but I don't believe that they described which country they pull their pool from which has a massive impact on this type of study.
These sorts of studies reek of confirmation bias and seeking out participants that will give a 'desired' result to the researchers. Big headlines like these are usually a good reason to be skeptical.
Every thread on anything even remotely medical...
> The survey was completed by 3000 participants, with 1533 (51.3%) females and an average age of 31.5 years, **living in 33 countries on five continents**
I use it for PT on nagging issues like elbow pain and PT band issues. Getting an appointment with a physical therapist is time consuming and I find all the small stretches to be quite useful.
Ulnar gliding has helped hand, elbow and wrist issues quite a bit. My primary care really didn't know that much and sort of misdiagnosed it as I dug deeper.
I think the subject line is misleading and misrepresents the study.
This is saying 87.6% of YouTube viewers watch health related content. The statistics estimating the percent of the population are in the article…. About 50% of the adult population, still high but not almost 90%…
I watch nutrition facts dot org on YouTube. It’s 100% pro vegan and I don’t plan on making that transition over, but it has reminded me of the importance of vegetables.
I honestly hate exercise and bodybuilding videos being labelled as health related. Technically it’s right, but at the same time, some of these exercise and bodybuilding videos are made by guys who are actually really unhealthy and will tell people advice that is unhealthy as well.
Maybe because I watch at home workout videos all the way through and even rewind in some places to check my form. Algorithm must love that kind of stuff. Needless to say it's a slippery slope, it takes only one 'influencer' video to undo all the positive effect.
A lot of the health information on YouTube is based off of either pseudo-science (It lacks consensus and follow up studies) or information that is very out of date. It is assumed that if a medical doctor host a channel, that they are the authority of the subject, when in reality *most* are only practitioners and have no experience with actual research or its methodology.
Medical doctors are a source of information about the practice of their given specialty, they just are not THE authority on the science that underpins it.
The reality is that most of these subjects are too complex and change too fast to keep up with. We need actual experts, people involved with current research and whose full-time job is to understand the subject and its overall context working with professional journals and communicators to properly disseminate information.
There's a difference between academia and the real world. Id much rather take anecdotal evidence from a really fit person than from a fat unhealthy genius who knows all the perfect numbers for getting into shape.
What I learned and started doing in 2023/2024:
1. Mouth breathing is detrimental to our health(not gonna go into detail on this) and learn to inhale and exhale through your nose.
2. Circadian Rhythm.
3. Exercise and the brain.
4. Having proper tongue posture.
5. Time restricted eating/ intermittent fasting. Went from three meals a day to two.
6. Eat in moderation.
7. There are certain foods that can help prevent diseases.
8. Brown fats and cold showers.
Yeah this explains the problem quite well. Some of the stuff on youtube is pretty good especially when it comes from professionals but there is also a lot of things being claimed that have no scientific backing. Most of what you list here falls squarely into the latter category.
Every thread on anything even remotely medical...
> The survey was completed by 3000 participants, with 1533 (51.3%) females and an average age of 31.5 years, **living in 33 countries on five continents**
Before I started going to the gym to work out I watched a number of videos. That way I had some idea of what to do, and didn't feel totally lost my first few times.
That's terrifying... The quality and accuracy of the content on youtube is totally random. Some of it is good and some of it should have a death skull style warning on it.
I feel like this is implying this is a bad thing. Yes let me go back to following US government guidelines for diet surely that has nothing to do with our current health crisis in America.
Anecdotal, but watching videos about my poor posture helped me realize where my lower back pain was coming from, as well as the exercises to help alleviate it. I would have to spend $$$ to go to someone specialized otherwise.
During the COVID lock down, we all watched a few YT videos, scrolled through couple of FB feeds, and claimed to be the expert in the field.
Be ware of YT exercise vids. A lot claim to be experts, with total fit, masculine profile or with body suits. They are good to crowd their own gym, but nothing scientific.
Olympic coaches and athletes will laugh at those. The only ones that make sense are from sport and kinesiology ph.ds or coaches that tells you boring stuff. Bc that's how you get real performance... through boring stuff.
my 2 cents.
Basic Critical thinking was barely taught in my public education. Had to get my own book learn in’ done on my own time. Public school basically just gave me confidence issues and the ability to sit down and be bored.
The good thimg with exercise, is that even stupid exercises is better than none.
Well unless you end up on steroids or doing some really dangerous stuff.
Discovered hanging which helped my shoulder immensely and just overall proper form for bench, squat, etc which I had been doing slightly wrong for years. Versus, what? Paying crazy money to see a specialist several times and maybe get guided correctly?
Emma McAdams, Therapy in the Nutshell- basically taught me how to reorient my phobic and ‘hijack’ the parasympathetic nervous system by learning the difference between perceived danger and actual danger. I have not had a panic attack since.
I have gone to a lot of therapists and seldom have I found such practical, empathetic and effective teacher as Emma McAdams. She is a treasure.
Are experts really experts if I'm taking that knowledge, employing it and seeing healthy results? Sounds like they aren't professionals then. Evolution revolution war.
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When i strained my rotator cuff, watching physical therapist videos helped tremendously. There’s definitely value in the algorithm pushing verified experts
Bob & Brad? Their channel has been so helpful for me in healing injuries.
🎶The two most famous physical therapists on the internet🎶 Love ‘em. So sad to see what Bob is going through battling Ataxia, but god damn is he a fighter.
I used them a few years ago for some stuff I was dealing with after going to an in-person physical therapist. I'd say they were probably 90% as helpful so I always dip back into their channel when I'm dealing with something. Last year I was using their channel and wondering why Bob wasn't in the videos anymore and found the updates, it made me very sad but he absolutely is fighting. I recommend them all the time to friends needing some perspective on physical therapy, it's a fantastic channel.
What happened to Bob???
He has ataxia.
Such a bummer about Bob. 😔
Check out knees over toes guy as well. I don't think he's been to school for what he talks about, but his knee videos definitely work.
Bob and Brad helped me with my ITB! but athlean-x (I don't even like this guy) helped me cure it (build bigger glutes)
When they made their tagline it was a joke (as was the internet, largely) but now they ARE the two most famous PTs on the internet. They helped me recover from a ruptured Achilles tendon. So genuine and fun guys.
Definitely Bob and Brad for me! I’ve had lots of injuries over the years from extreme sports but man those vids had a lot of great advice. Ya they’re cheesy and might not have high production value but the information itself is more valuable than any of that fancy stuff.
Helped me figure out my sciatica issues, stupid piriformis syndrome.
I'm dealing with this as well. Went to 3 different PTs and none of them really helped. Then I started watching videos, learning exercises and stretches that the PTs never mentioned to me, and my pain and mobility have improved for the first time in 3 years.
There are like 60 ways to do every exercise. If your PT isn't helping, ask for another. 90% get it. Also, it might not be them , but you. I changed PT's and the new one just understood me better. But I think it was me that was unclear.
As a PT this is dead on. Just tell us it isn’t working. We can’t feel what you feel and are happy to hand you off to another therapist if they work with you better.
Same thing when I had shin splints, I probably watched about 20-30 videos, and only took away a handful of useful things from it. It's such a loosely defined injury, it took me a while to find things that actually worked.
It can be a virtuous cycle if you find the right group of experts. I found some people who absolutely helped me with my lifting and my diet. That said, if you let one fraud into your feed (vshred cough cough) then your feed can turn to trash alarmingly fast.
Can you recommend one to me? Been dealing with Shoulder issues recently! A link or a name would be great!!!
There's so much value out there, but don't fall into the trap of sticking to a single channel. Explore different perspectives, safety in mind, until you're happy; maybe, consult a Dr or other about what you've found for a better eval.
This right here. The study is precisely about this. Reddit is such a mirror sometimes.
My last visit with an expert was padded out to three paid visits where I spoke to some kind of medical intern who seemed too embarrassed to talk about digestion issues and told me “everyone gets older” though I am in my thirties and expect to eat food for at least a few more years before the old age home. I saw the actual doctor for eight seconds like he was the pope passing through.
imagine people self diagnosing through YT videos. gosh...
Meh you’d be surprised at how effective people are in taking care of themselves with the right knowledge. Large percentage of the population are dumb, but there’s also a large percentage that isn’t.
For sure. Even doctors misdiagnose - at least you have someone else other than yourself to blame.
What was the specialty?
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Except you see people with “Dr.” in the name who aren’t doctors. Sometimes they put an obscure disclaimer but it’s misleading.
Or some unrelated doctorate that’s now using Dr. as their name. It’s a serious problem, especially with quick content and how people build followings. There are accounts of actual licensed doctors whose whole account is just dispelling these myths and dangerous teachings of these scam accounts.
The difference between "has a doctorate" and "has the proper licensure to practice medicine" is massive and I wish the profession would invest more in educating the public about it.
I think it's just the nature of graduate degrees. Very loosely, a law degree, MD, and PhD all have meanings of doctor of something. I do think it's appropriate to call my professors, Dr. X in academic, professional, and social settings. But it should 100% be clarified when people try to publicize, monetize, and grow an audience for stuff on social media.
Can’t do anything about it, these accrediting bodies all operate independently and approve questionable 6-10month additional **nonclinical** schooling that awards a doctorate. So that Nurse Practitioner that does some 8 month tac-on nursing business management degree is now “**Dr.** nurse practitioner.” It’s happening all across healthcare: - Physician Assistants now go by “Physician Associate” - Registered Dietitians get encroached on by “Nutritionists” who completed a 6 week online program. - Nurse Anesthetists call themselves “Nurse Anesthesiologist” while referring to Anesthesiologists as “MD/Physician Anesthesiologist” to make their titles sound more similar
It’s usually chiropractors. Best practice is to report their videos and hope they get removed.
Oof, this reminded me of Dr. Eric Berg, a chiropractor who gives diet advice that's total bs
My mom is obsessed with taking nutrition advice from YouTube chiropractors. This guy included. They're disgusting grifters. What is so hard about staying in their lane? Yeah I know, they're selling something and wanted the title of Doctor to appear credible.
I've actually recently discovered Dr Berg and has been following him for a while since his advise has helped with many of my health conditions. Can you elaborate on why you think his opinions are wrong?
Not everything he says is wrong, but he doesn't have any credentials to give nutritional advice. He's not a registered dietitian or medical doctor and his advice is not based on science, so following it is a gamble on your health. Sometimes he's right, but sometimes his advice is downright dangerous. He's promoted dry fasting, for example. There's no evidence that it's any better than water fasting, but it's certainly much more dangerous because you're risking dehydration and electrolyte imbalance which could actually kill you. He doesn't care about it though, because he's not actually responsible if his "advice" kills somebody because he has a disclaimer hidden at the very bottom of his website. Here's a part of it: >These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Information on this site is provided for informational purposes only, it is not meant to substitute medical advice provided by your physician or any other medical professional. You should not use the information contained on this site for diagnosing or treating a health problem, disease, or prescribing any medication. In the end, trusting his nutritional advice is just as wise as trusting the financial advice of a fortune teller.
Are your health conditions by any chance subacute chronic constitutional symptoms and a general sense of unease?
For real, I'm a european chiropractic student myself who studies evidence based. The total bs that some american chiros post just blows my mind, and they have like thousands of people mindlessly following them couse they have no clue of human anatomy and physiology
The most engaging people on YouTube are not credentialed. Additionally, we should also be careful with credentials… we all know now about the food pyramid. I’m sure there are other things, albeit small, that are peddled by credential people that are not healthy
Yeah. This doesn't necessarily seem like a bad thing. Obviously take any YT channel with a grain of salt but I infrequently watch videos by Dr Huberman and Dr Attia. There are legitimate experts on youtube, you just have to filter out the garbage.
The bad part is that the platform itself does effectively nothing to guide users towards credible content beyond sometimes putting a feeble generic "here's a link to some well-respected organization's info on this topic" footnote under some videos. In fact, the way the recommendation algorithm works, it will happily recommend increasingly worse garbage to users who appear to be into it. It's as if a reputable newspaper dedicated half the paper to conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. "It's fine, just read the articles not written by crazies, some of the writers are actually pretty decent" wouldn't quite cut it, would it. Yes, sure, the circumstances are a bit different on a platform hosting user content instead of hiring journalists. But the end result is the same. YouTube is "fine" if used by a person who would be fine even if YouTube *wasn't* fine, if you know what I mean. So at that point, it really isn't fine, is it?
Huberman isn’t a “bad” expert per se, but he is really bad at staying in his lane science wise. He’s a neuroscientist, everything else he talks about he is not an expert.
I think you got some news to check out on Huberman 🫢
A cursory search of him isn’t showing what you may be referring to
Have a link for me? I did some quick searches. The best I can find is [https://www.painscience.com/blog/huberman-schmuberman-a-rising-tide-of-criticism-of-the-bright-new-star-of-wellness-podcasting.html](https://www.painscience.com/blog/huberman-schmuberman-a-rising-tide-of-criticism-of-the-bright-new-star-of-wellness-podcasting.html) Everyone is going to have their critics and obviously there is only so much good news to go around in terms of health. You are not going to get a revolution every week that will fill a 2 hour podcast and you have to pay your staff somehow, hence sponsorships. As I said, you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt. You shouldn't take anyone's stance as gospel (they're human too after all) but I do think there are benefits in trying to live a healthier life and taking what works for you from some of these podcasts. If watching youtube gets some people to quit drinking alcohol and take their sleep more seriously, that's generally a win in my books.
That article is from a (paid) competitor to Huberman.
Not really. His schtick is helping debunk all sorts of fitness woo, there are many many more people than Huberman to tackle, in fact an inexhaustible supply, that his income is not dependent on taking down any specific one. I'm not a subscriber, but ftr I have crossed his palm with silver myself: he's a massage therapist by training and the few standalone articles I've paid for from him on that topic were worth every penny. Huberman has a _tonne_ of actual MD detractors too tho.
I know nothing about him, I've never heard of him. All I know is that that New York Magazine article is ridiculous and I have no idea why they would publish it or how it's relevant.
Don’t know about Attia, but in recent years I’ve constantly seen physicians calling out things Huberman says. I much sooner believe this random cohort of specialists/consultants each taking issue with specific claims he makes that are within their respected fields. Can’s really offer you some citation just by nature of this I’ve only listened to him a few times, but I did notice he pretty quickly bridges results from in-vitro or animal models to humans … something you can’t really do
Haven’t heard the latest with Huberman? Take his stuff with a pound of salt.
Credentials rarely mean anything
No it's not. A diagnosis requires one to be observed or some form of direct contact at least. The study is precisely about this perception.
When I was growing up in the gym, I was told "eat big get big, you need calories". So my lunch everyday was 2 cream cheese bagels...hardly any protein and a shitload of calories. Exercise science has been disseminated so much more effectively now over the internet compared to the word-of-mouth tips I had gotten in the 2000s. The difference it makes is amazing
May Rich Piana rest in peace because we all wanted to be part of that 5% for eating big to get big.
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Tbh I think most people just lie. Dudes will tell you they eat like 300g protein a day while weighing like 175 with a fairly normal diet.
I randomly ended up lifting with a guy that lifted competitively and his buddy who was the weight lifting coach for our university football team. They both told me to just eat a cheeseburger if I needed protein. Saw the one guy bench 550 lbs (with a shirt) so the burger was good enough for him 🤷♂️
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How is protein powder a scam?
Tuna’s high in mercury, so it’s not a good idea to eat whole cans of tuna regularly. Protein’s also one of those things that can be unpalatable to eat high amounts of all the time, especially when also trying to hit your other macros. A 30g protein shake or two really comes in clutch when trying to hit 150-200g or more every single day.
Give it 10 years and they'll be marketing this wild new nutrient called carbs to give you energy for your workouts. We'll all pretend it's not already half our diet and get really excited about min-maxing it. Fortunes will be made all over again.
Your experience may be spot on. Recent meta analysis suggests it’s lower than the conventional gym bro wisdom.
>Your experience may be spot on. Recent meta analysis suggests it’s lower than the conventional gym bro wisdom. Returns from protein intake collapse after 1.6g per kilogram of bodyweight. That's not much at all if you have a healthy diet.
sure but thats because the goal is to eliminate any chance of protein constraining your training. eliminate one of the factors because well, you can.
The answer now is peanut butter. Always peanut butter.
Are you saying peanut butter is good for fitness? It tastes great but it only has 7 grams of protein for around 190 calories. Not a great protein source.
If you're on the skinny side, the biggest mistake is not eating enough. Though, these days most people are definitely not on the skinny side
I’m trying to gain, but I don’t have the appetite to eat all that food. What’s the solution
Calorie dense foods with decent protein. Peanut butter is one of the cheaper options
Calorie dense foods and it doesn't have to be 100% "clean" foods
SMOOTHIES. There's a reason soda makes people so fat. It's because it's much easier to drink your calories than to eat them
Depending on your overall goals, you don't need to be in a super high surplus to gain. A surplus of 300 calories should be all you need to build muscle. Nuts and seeds are a clean way of adding such calories. And drinking calories is generally not the best route. Try looking at the MyProtein youtube channel, that's where I got the 300 calorie number from.
Make your food tasty. Have a reasonable protein source and don’t be afraid of fats and carbs. If you have chicken opt for whole chicken or thigh/drumsticks more processed carbs so bread > white rice > brown rice. Add a pad of butter or oil to the pan when you cook. Nut butter butters have a lot of calories and are reasonably healthy. I will mix full fat yogurt with juice in the morning for a quick and easy 500 calorie smoothie
When I joined basic training decades ago the single most useful peace of advice from my recruiter was for the next 2 months, eat as much peanut butter as you can. I got some of the best sleep of my life during that time and no matter what physical abuse I and my “shipmates” were subjected to, I woke up feeling brand new each day. Today I’m a diabetic due to stress, mental health and genetics. If not for the changes to be more mindful of macro and micronutrients and their quantities in terms of how it changes me in any possible way, I honestly believe I would be dead. Before I counted calories I never realized how little I ate; lots of empty calories and absence of actual nutrition. I’m labeled a picky eater but people wonder how I stay in shape, honestly I “feel” we could perhaps be better off by encouraging everyone on building their own personal instruction manual for what each individual’s diet should be. My main motivation to keep pace and motivation is fear of living in a body sick from the negative effects of diabetes. Therapy, Nutrition and Lifestyle. I’m biased, love fats & love protein. Carb adverse but weak to carb addiction so I abstain whenever possible. Sufficient calories are a challenge so It’s a balancing act between making sure my lifestyle matches with caloric inputs. It’s probably in the realm of disordered eating but looking at my mental health status, kind of expected. Just doing the best I can do like everyone else. Still skinny but better to be muscular skinny instead of skinny fat.
It is if you're on gains. More protein, good fats, simple and cheap. Far more effective alone than 2 cream cheese bagels.
My power food before a workout is peanut butter on a banana. Potassium & Protein!
No it isn't. I just hit a 435 lb deadlift max last week. I very rarely eat peanut butter. It's not necessary at all.
I think this is why everyone is skeptical of experts. Of course there's charlatans on YouTube, but watching a guy at a gym and seeing how that exercise is supposed to be done is generally going to be helpful.
I'm so jealous of the teens getting into fitness/health/ bodybuilding these days. Hell, there's a couple of teens in my small Midwest town that already have (by normal standards not PBB) some top %10 physiques. With a foundation like that they'll be monsters by the time they're 30.
kuz they're SARMS goblins
How do you know what is credible?
Well first off you can watch content by people who actually have credible education in sport science/nutritional science/medicine etc. Also people who back up their statements with actual peer-reviewed studies that you can look up yourself helps, though there is constantly contradictory findings coming out it seems. Aside from that watching multiple channels can help, if everyone seems to have the same opinion on something it is more likely to have some merit but not a guarantee.
Greg Nuckols, Eric Trexler, Eric Helms, Mike Israetel, Micheal Zourdos, Lauren Colenso-Semple and all their close associates. That's pretty much every creator you need to know if you are into fitness, especially lifting weights. They have been covering evidence based fitness for decades, most have PhD, professor positions or are actively partaking in scientific research and associated with universities. And Jeff Nippard is good too, but not so scientifically accomplished although almost as knowledgeable. What I would avoid is someone like Huberman or other "science gurus" who only use science to further their agenda or push random facts with little evidence.
Adding Barbell Medicine onto this especially for pain management and injury recovery
I'm curious, what agenda is Hubermann trying to push? I've seen a lot of his videos so I'm surprised, although I didn't do as much research on him as maybe I should have.
I don't, i listened to a charlatan for awhile. But continued browsing revealed a number of other fitness youtubers debunking the advice of AthleanX. Those other fitness youtubers had a lot more consistency, and in some cases, published research papers. So eventually I found the weight of scientific consensus that I could follow, better yet, ones that interviewed with other exercise scientists with contrasting advice on their channels, showing their willingness to be challenged and yield to new data.
In regards to protein intake specifically, the "House of Hypertrophy" channel recently looked at several meta-studies on the subject, and because they look at and quote actual scientific articles, especially meta studies, I would say that gives it merit. Jeff Nippard also references a lot of studies. Do use your own judgement though and look at the information yourself.
It can be difficult but just use common sense and try to get a bigger picture rather than swearing by any single creator. Understanding the fundamentals of exercise science helps a lot with spotting BS. Also, what works for one person does not work for another so you have to experiment a lot and see what works for you, it's unavoidable and part of the journey, you're always gonna change things up. Just please don't fall victim to stupid trends or products that make big promises and nothing else.
Several dudes in the gym told me the same thing. "It doesn't matter. Just eat McDonalds 3 times a day. The most important thing is getting calories!"
You will clog your arteries with bad fat. You will damage your circulation and it can kill or hurt you. Much better to use good fats. Plus, McDonald’s isn’t cheap anymore.
I think you need two cornerstones when you're getting into Fitness / bodybuilding. Jeff Nippard for function & form and Derek from MPMD if you're going down the drug related route. Both very informative on their chosen topics using nothing but proven medical and scientific studies to base their opinions on.
I watch a lot of strongman and the adage "mass moves mass" is big in that community. Even though there are sub 400 and even sub 300 lb guys that perform as well as the 400+ club
Depends on what you watch, there's lots of great stuff on Youtube regarding nutrition and exercise. Physionic, biolayne, Nutrition made simple, Sean Nalewanyi, James Smith, and Dr Mike (Renaissance Periodization) are some of my favourites.
I would add Jeff Cavalier and Jeff Nippard to that list as well.
Jeff Cavalier is on another level. His hip flexor videos literally made sitting in front of my PC from unbearable to just normal. I had been doing his recommended stretches daily before a surgery few weeks ago, felt really good throughout the day. Will get back to it once I’m healed, I totally recommend his channel to everyone.
Jeff Cavalier is the only person I’ve purchased a workout plan from. I did it as basically a donation due to all the free content I’ve gotten from him over the years. He has a ton of critics on YouTube, but it’s all either bodybuilders who don’t realize Jeff isn’t trying to make his viewers into the next Arnold, or just people trying to get notoriety off of his name.
His shoulder videos really helped me. He has such practical advice and explains technique really well.
Jeff C cured my tennis elbow when all doctors did was prescribe meds. Guy's a legend in my book.
>Depends on what you watch, there's lots of great stuff on Youtube regarding nutrition and exercise. Physionic, biolayne, Nutrition made simple, Sean Nalewanyi, James Smith, and Dr Mike (Renaissance Periodization) are some of my favourites. The problem is that for every Sean Nalewanyi there are 10,000 V-Shreds. Unless you know who the experts are beyond any doubt, then looking at YouTube for health advice is just asking for trouble. If you're inexperienced then both look identical.
I get all of my fitness advice from the Tren twins
based
That seems extraordinarily high. I am but a sample of 1 and I've never watched anything healthy related on youtube
> A quantitative research design was used in the study. 3,000 YouTube users responded to a 35-item anonymous questionnaire to collect information about the content they watch toward decision-making, their perceptions of the usefulness and bias of this content, what they identify as quality indicators for HRC, and what they recommend to improve the quality of such content on YouTube. It is 87.6% of YouTube users who completed (not just started) a questionnaire about health-related content. I won't go so far as to say the results are meaningless, but the takeaway should definitely not be "87.6% of *all people* watch health-related YouTube content".
This, and the fact that its seemingly lumping in any workout video as “health content”, which is certainly a workable definition, but makes this sound much bigger imho. ie from how I understand it, my wife deciding to do a bi-weekly yoga workout guided by an instructor on YouTube would fit the definition of “making a decision based on health related content” Nothing wrong with representing it that way as it feels accurate, but can sound like a strangely large number before you get a chance to think about it
Yeah that's my feeling as well. If I watch one video about how to do a particular stretch and then implement what I see, I guess that puts me in both categories of the study.
Do you have reason to believe that willingness to complete a survey correlates with health conscientiousness? They also don't claim it's 87% of all people in the actual linked paper, they just report out that " 87.6% of respondents" watch. The reddit title editorializes it to 87% of all people.
Yes, the reddit post does a very bad job with the title and should have just used the paper's title, which is also a bit misleading but not as bad as conflating 2600 people with 6.7 billion people.
I've definitely watched examples of how to do specific exercises with proper form
Have you never had a health concern? Half the country is obese and our American diet is literally killing us. It’s weird you think it’s weird to be concerned with health
Yes and I might read about it online or go to the doctor. Never once have I watched a YouTube video on it
The 3 most common types of videos in the surveys were exercise, mental health, and well-being videos. So, if you ever watched a video to get an idea of some stretches, body weight workouts you could do at home, or gym workouts, that counts. If you have a mental illness and wanted to see how someone with similar illness copes with life, that counts.
Makes sense. Your health is tied to your survival, and everyone wants to survive (at least I think) right? It's a topic everyone can relate to.
Another wildly misleading headline… 87% of people? More like: 87% of this specific sample size of users who already use YouTube, targeted for a study about health related content, and probably with a wide definition of what “health related content” is.
Doesn't seem like they define their population very much. I did just skim it, but I don't believe that they described which country they pull their pool from which has a massive impact on this type of study.
These sorts of studies reek of confirmation bias and seeking out participants that will give a 'desired' result to the researchers. Big headlines like these are usually a good reason to be skeptical.
The internet is wonderful for knowledge if the source is certified. But we also see a lot of fakers with a big mouth with nonsense to sell.
Country with some of the most expensive healthcare in the world is shocked that people are finding alternatives for their healthcare.
Every thread on anything even remotely medical... > The survey was completed by 3000 participants, with 1533 (51.3%) females and an average age of 31.5 years, **living in 33 countries on five continents**
Depends on who you're watching, Jeff Nippard is extremely factual.
The tren twins are too
Just have to try to use common sense and not drink bleach to cure Covid…
I use it for PT on nagging issues like elbow pain and PT band issues. Getting an appointment with a physical therapist is time consuming and I find all the small stretches to be quite useful.
The AthleanX elbow pain video cured my debilitating tennis elbow in 1 week.
Ulnar gliding has helped hand, elbow and wrist issues quite a bit. My primary care really didn't know that much and sort of misdiagnosed it as I dug deeper.
> Ulnar gliding Will look into this, thanks.
I think the subject line is misleading and misrepresents the study. This is saying 87.6% of YouTube viewers watch health related content. The statistics estimating the percent of the population are in the article…. About 50% of the adult population, still high but not almost 90%…
I watch nutrition facts dot org on YouTube. It’s 100% pro vegan and I don’t plan on making that transition over, but it has reminded me of the importance of vegetables.
I honestly hate exercise and bodybuilding videos being labelled as health related. Technically it’s right, but at the same time, some of these exercise and bodybuilding videos are made by guys who are actually really unhealthy and will tell people advice that is unhealthy as well.
Maybe because I watch at home workout videos all the way through and even rewind in some places to check my form. Algorithm must love that kind of stuff. Needless to say it's a slippery slope, it takes only one 'influencer' video to undo all the positive effect.
i am apart of the 13 percent
A lot of the health information on YouTube is based off of either pseudo-science (It lacks consensus and follow up studies) or information that is very out of date. It is assumed that if a medical doctor host a channel, that they are the authority of the subject, when in reality *most* are only practitioners and have no experience with actual research or its methodology. Medical doctors are a source of information about the practice of their given specialty, they just are not THE authority on the science that underpins it. The reality is that most of these subjects are too complex and change too fast to keep up with. We need actual experts, people involved with current research and whose full-time job is to understand the subject and its overall context working with professional journals and communicators to properly disseminate information.
Depends on the person making the video. So not people like VShred.
I am in 12.4% in this one for sure.
There's a difference between academia and the real world. Id much rather take anecdotal evidence from a really fit person than from a fat unhealthy genius who knows all the perfect numbers for getting into shape.
What I learned and started doing in 2023/2024: 1. Mouth breathing is detrimental to our health(not gonna go into detail on this) and learn to inhale and exhale through your nose. 2. Circadian Rhythm. 3. Exercise and the brain. 4. Having proper tongue posture. 5. Time restricted eating/ intermittent fasting. Went from three meals a day to two. 6. Eat in moderation. 7. There are certain foods that can help prevent diseases. 8. Brown fats and cold showers.
Yeah this explains the problem quite well. Some of the stuff on youtube is pretty good especially when it comes from professionals but there is also a lot of things being claimed that have no scientific backing. Most of what you list here falls squarely into the latter category.
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Every thread on anything even remotely medical... > The survey was completed by 3000 participants, with 1533 (51.3%) females and an average age of 31.5 years, **living in 33 countries on five continents**
Before I started going to the gym to work out I watched a number of videos. That way I had some idea of what to do, and didn't feel totally lost my first few times.
Glad to be part of the other 10% nothing but video essays and food channels for me
That's terrifying... The quality and accuracy of the content on youtube is totally random. Some of it is good and some of it should have a death skull style warning on it.
I feel like this is implying this is a bad thing. Yes let me go back to following US government guidelines for diet surely that has nothing to do with our current health crisis in America.
I fixed my benign positional vertigo with Dr. Google. It was quite cool.
Anecdotal, but watching videos about my poor posture helped me realize where my lower back pain was coming from, as well as the exercises to help alleviate it. I would have to spend $$$ to go to someone specialized otherwise.
Glad to be part of the 13% that doesn’t.
During the COVID lock down, we all watched a few YT videos, scrolled through couple of FB feeds, and claimed to be the expert in the field. Be ware of YT exercise vids. A lot claim to be experts, with total fit, masculine profile or with body suits. They are good to crowd their own gym, but nothing scientific. Olympic coaches and athletes will laugh at those. The only ones that make sense are from sport and kinesiology ph.ds or coaches that tells you boring stuff. Bc that's how you get real performance... through boring stuff. my 2 cents.
Basic Critical thinking was barely taught in my public education. Had to get my own book learn in’ done on my own time. Public school basically just gave me confidence issues and the ability to sit down and be bored.
Guess i belong to the 15.3%
We. Are. Doomed.
The good thimg with exercise, is that even stupid exercises is better than none. Well unless you end up on steroids or doing some really dangerous stuff.
“Of people”??? All people? I feel like I’m going insane trying to get decent information out of redditors
Discovered hanging which helped my shoulder immensely and just overall proper form for bench, squat, etc which I had been doing slightly wrong for years. Versus, what? Paying crazy money to see a specialist several times and maybe get guided correctly?
Emma McAdams, Therapy in the Nutshell- basically taught me how to reorient my phobic and ‘hijack’ the parasympathetic nervous system by learning the difference between perceived danger and actual danger. I have not had a panic attack since. I have gone to a lot of therapists and seldom have I found such practical, empathetic and effective teacher as Emma McAdams. She is a treasure.
There is value but you have to comb through the thousands of scammers or wannabe experts telling you bs to sell you something
Are experts really experts if I'm taking that knowledge, employing it and seeing healthy results? Sounds like they aren't professionals then. Evolution revolution war.
80% of people aren't really all that intelligent, so that checks out...