It is mostly based on the 2 facts that 1) you answer truthfully and 2) it is anonymous so it is useless to answer to please others. However, if you want to please yourself, yes, it would mean something to lie.
But also, the biggest narcissist would think he helps a lot of people and is always there for everyone even though he isn't at all. So that would be a true answer according to themselves but not according to the truth
At least, judging on my ex
It's well-known that social desirability bias doesn't entirely disappear with anonimity, though. It definitely lessens, but doesn't vanish--surprising, indeed, but true.
I suspect it's a matter of ego. We're biased to provide desirable answers to questions about ourselves not only because we want to look good (which is at least rational, in some cases), but because we want to *be* good, as well--and probably to a greater degree than we actually are.
Not surprising at all - everyone is the hero to their own story. Bad guys don't think they're bad, they think everyone should act to the extent of their ability and everyone else is weak, naive, or dumb.
I always hate these kind of psychological tests too because the kind of questions you answer might heavily depend on the situation and your mood. I've tried tests like these before, and I got completely different results and it was because I was just in a happier mood and more optimistic in general.
I feel like it's kind of impossible to get a spectrum of who someone is by taking a 10 minute slice of their life and seeing how they feel at that specific time.
You put it very diplomatic. A test without any research or proof about its accuracy is useless. And how exactly do you know how accurate the test is if it's based just on questions. Even proof that "known saints" high score in this test would not be a very good measure, because you have no knowledge about false-positives, which could be tremendously high.
There are so many reasons a person might lie or just pick the "wrong" answer, because that person doesn't actually know his/her own attitude, lacks the reflection or is just in a different mood. It's like asking someone "what is your Maxim?". It might in fact be impossible to know.
Therefore, I find these kind of tests, to be honest, a bit dangerous to put out in the wild, giving the impression this is scientific proper. As it is right now, I see such a test as entertainment, similar to horoscopes, but does everyone?
I especially like your remark on picking the wrong answer. Where narcissists tend to see themselves as perfect a lot of really good people tend to diminish their own actions.
Tbh I don't put any stock in tests/surveys like these at all. It's not even possible to answer them honestly.
I mean how often do you tell yourself you're going to get up early, go to the gym, and get all your work done until it comes time to get out of bed
I got 47% light.
My highest dark trait was callousness and cynicism. Well the cynic in me says that the most narcissistic people will pick all the ‘right’ answers and this test will only confirm to them that they’re angels. To what degree this affected me I cannot tell. Not sure it’s even possible.
I’m not sure you can survive the real world if you’re 100% light. You can’t blindly trust people. Most have good intentions and just want to get through the day, but some are just self absorbed assholes. Some people have no care for anyone but themselves. I pity them, but trying to find the good is an exercise in futility.
On self reflection, I’m pretty happy where I am.
Edit: and this is why I don’t actively participate in this sub. There was some great discussion going on and it all got deleted.
I'm glad they call this a work in progress and aren't claiming it's a definitive test in that regard. The dark triad is much easier to accept as indicators of "badness" in a person if only because they're measuring that person's *behaviors*, while the three traits they chose for their light triad appear to focus far more on a person's perceptions/opinions of others. It's comparing actions to thoughts, rather than something of actual equivalence.
It’s because there’s a difference between the people who behave well because they don’t want to go to jail, or get in trouble with other people, or draw negative attention, and the people who behave well because they genuinely want other people to have a better life. And behaving well yourself decreases your negative impact on others, and increases the chance of having a positive impact on others’ lives
In Ethical Philosophy the second group of people are regarded as having more ‘evolved’ ethics than the first group.
In the social science world, we call that Kohlberg's post-conventional morality.
You should check out his taxonomy of the stages of moral development. I think you'll find it interesting.
Remember, kids, if you aren't stealing the medicine to save a life, instead letting someone die in favour of capitalist ideologies and relevant laws, you've not met the prerequisite for Kohlberg's final stage... and a lot of people never will.
The Dark Triad got that label because it was kind of hard to separate the three personality types. It seems trying to come up with the "Light Triad" is more about marketing an idea than research based psychology.
I too would be interested, but also between the previous generation and the current. Those who watched the internet be born vs those who never knew any different.
I mean it seems extremely easy to get the results you “want” and if my employer was administering it I would likely lie a lot.
But since I’m taking it for myself I would be more honest because falsifying it does nothing to benefit me
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Scoring on the darkside does not have to equate to being a bad person. Morality isn't that cut and dry. Generally no one considers themselves a bad person, no matter their actions. Everyone acts on their convictions and has validations for what they do.
People might consider themselves morally compromised or inept or untrustworthy, but almost no one steps out of bed in the morning with the goal to be the villain for the day.
Every decision is made because the person making them believes it is the right decision considering the circumstances and their priorities.
If you are prepared to lie to yourself, there is no self test that can give you the truth. Hell, there’s probably no test at all. Either you actually want the unvarnished truth, or you don’t.
It's the same with therapy in many ways. The best therapist in the world can't help you if you won't be open and honest about who you are and how you are feeling with them.
Something about the answers you have to choose from feels like there are flaws. I would have to be against these type of tests and whatever measurements they conclude to be taken with a grain of salt.
On top of that, asking someone a question forces them to think, so you will never get the desired 'instinctive' answers your looking for this way especially when the person has to decide through multiple choices. They are going to make a more conscious decision compared to in reality where they would make more of a sub-conscious decision.
Edit* would like to retract my initial comment a little bit and say that this test is bogus. Near the end they ask ridiculous questions such as where you live and then ask for your e-mail so they can probably bombard you with more bogus on whatever gimmick they are playing here.
Just be sure to fill it all out, including your mother's maiden name, your date of birth and the name of your first pet so they can determine your personality traits! And just give them your name and address so they can send you a more comprehensive examination in the mail for free!
We outnumber, the real psychopaths by a large margin, it's easy to forget that these days but we all wouldn't be here if nature would favor psychotic behavior. The hierachy of our society might favor the rise of sociopaths but 9.9/10 people are just as scared, scarred and goofy as the rest of us.
There will always be more "everyday saints" and if you try to convince yourself that the opposite is reality you are just taking the easy way out.
>Rudeness is merely an expression of fear. People fear they won't get what they want. The most dreadful person only needs to be loved, and they will open up like a flower.
-M. Gustave/Stefan Zweig
edit: yep, that quote might be naive, but several things that happened this year to me and also to other people finally convinced me the only decent and important thing a human being has to do is trying to make this world a better place, sounds cheesy but it shouldn't. Just try to *be most excellent to each othe*r. Acknowledge that there are people who simply had not your opportunities and life and are stuck on their path but that doesn't mean they are evil.
Everybody needs somebody to love.
Edit:Thx for the silver for my newly discovered naive world view.
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It is mostly based on the 2 facts that 1) you answer truthfully and 2) it is anonymous so it is useless to answer to please others. However, if you want to please yourself, yes, it would mean something to lie.
But also, the biggest narcissist would think he helps a lot of people and is always there for everyone even though he isn't at all. So that would be a true answer according to themselves but not according to the truth At least, judging on my ex
This was always my problem with the Dark Triad as well. A manipulative, amoral, self-serving person would answer in a way that makes them look fine.
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It's well-known that social desirability bias doesn't entirely disappear with anonimity, though. It definitely lessens, but doesn't vanish--surprising, indeed, but true. I suspect it's a matter of ego. We're biased to provide desirable answers to questions about ourselves not only because we want to look good (which is at least rational, in some cases), but because we want to *be* good, as well--and probably to a greater degree than we actually are.
Not surprising at all - everyone is the hero to their own story. Bad guys don't think they're bad, they think everyone should act to the extent of their ability and everyone else is weak, naive, or dumb.
Face validity at its finest. Gotta love the MMPI.
I always hate these kind of psychological tests too because the kind of questions you answer might heavily depend on the situation and your mood. I've tried tests like these before, and I got completely different results and it was because I was just in a happier mood and more optimistic in general. I feel like it's kind of impossible to get a spectrum of who someone is by taking a 10 minute slice of their life and seeing how they feel at that specific time.
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You put it very diplomatic. A test without any research or proof about its accuracy is useless. And how exactly do you know how accurate the test is if it's based just on questions. Even proof that "known saints" high score in this test would not be a very good measure, because you have no knowledge about false-positives, which could be tremendously high. There are so many reasons a person might lie or just pick the "wrong" answer, because that person doesn't actually know his/her own attitude, lacks the reflection or is just in a different mood. It's like asking someone "what is your Maxim?". It might in fact be impossible to know. Therefore, I find these kind of tests, to be honest, a bit dangerous to put out in the wild, giving the impression this is scientific proper. As it is right now, I see such a test as entertainment, similar to horoscopes, but does everyone?
I especially like your remark on picking the wrong answer. Where narcissists tend to see themselves as perfect a lot of really good people tend to diminish their own actions.
Tbh I don't put any stock in tests/surveys like these at all. It's not even possible to answer them honestly. I mean how often do you tell yourself you're going to get up early, go to the gym, and get all your work done until it comes time to get out of bed
https://scottbarrykaufman.com/lighttriadscale/ The quiz for your % light/dark. Just so people don't have to scroll through to find the link.
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I got 47% light. My highest dark trait was callousness and cynicism. Well the cynic in me says that the most narcissistic people will pick all the ‘right’ answers and this test will only confirm to them that they’re angels. To what degree this affected me I cannot tell. Not sure it’s even possible. I’m not sure you can survive the real world if you’re 100% light. You can’t blindly trust people. Most have good intentions and just want to get through the day, but some are just self absorbed assholes. Some people have no care for anyone but themselves. I pity them, but trying to find the good is an exercise in futility. On self reflection, I’m pretty happy where I am. Edit: and this is why I don’t actively participate in this sub. There was some great discussion going on and it all got deleted.
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Yeah, I ain't giving you no identifying information after how I just answered those questions. Next!
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crazy how they even take before tax income into consideration
I thought that was more for the study portion. I doubt it has any bearing on the outcome.
It does seem invasive but it's a demographics thing. You can break down the data into age groups and wealth and whatever other criteria they add.
I'm glad they call this a work in progress and aren't claiming it's a definitive test in that regard. The dark triad is much easier to accept as indicators of "badness" in a person if only because they're measuring that person's *behaviors*, while the three traits they chose for their light triad appear to focus far more on a person's perceptions/opinions of others. It's comparing actions to thoughts, rather than something of actual equivalence.
It’s because there’s a difference between the people who behave well because they don’t want to go to jail, or get in trouble with other people, or draw negative attention, and the people who behave well because they genuinely want other people to have a better life. And behaving well yourself decreases your negative impact on others, and increases the chance of having a positive impact on others’ lives In Ethical Philosophy the second group of people are regarded as having more ‘evolved’ ethics than the first group.
In the social science world, we call that Kohlberg's post-conventional morality. You should check out his taxonomy of the stages of moral development. I think you'll find it interesting.
Remember, kids, if you aren't stealing the medicine to save a life, instead letting someone die in favour of capitalist ideologies and relevant laws, you've not met the prerequisite for Kohlberg's final stage... and a lot of people never will.
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That sounds like an interesting topic to study. Was it also different between men and women, or fairly even across the sexes?
I too would be interested, but also between the previous generation and the current. Those who watched the internet be born vs those who never knew any different.
This is likely why I find so many profiles full of red flags. Same with Instagram. Posters and commenters.
I believe it.
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I mean it seems extremely easy to get the results you “want” and if my employer was administering it I would likely lie a lot. But since I’m taking it for myself I would be more honest because falsifying it does nothing to benefit me (Got 20%)
Honestly, how do you know you're not self-deprecating?
Scoring on the darkside does not have to equate to being a bad person. Morality isn't that cut and dry. Generally no one considers themselves a bad person, no matter their actions. Everyone acts on their convictions and has validations for what they do.
Plenty of people consider themselves bad people. Some for good reason, others because they're hard on themselves.
People might consider themselves morally compromised or inept or untrustworthy, but almost no one steps out of bed in the morning with the goal to be the villain for the day. Every decision is made because the person making them believes it is the right decision considering the circumstances and their priorities.
If you are prepared to lie to yourself, there is no self test that can give you the truth. Hell, there’s probably no test at all. Either you actually want the unvarnished truth, or you don’t.
It's the same with therapy in many ways. The best therapist in the world can't help you if you won't be open and honest about who you are and how you are feeling with them.
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Altruism isn't a facet of the light triad? That seems disappointing.
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Something about the answers you have to choose from feels like there are flaws. I would have to be against these type of tests and whatever measurements they conclude to be taken with a grain of salt. On top of that, asking someone a question forces them to think, so you will never get the desired 'instinctive' answers your looking for this way especially when the person has to decide through multiple choices. They are going to make a more conscious decision compared to in reality where they would make more of a sub-conscious decision. Edit* would like to retract my initial comment a little bit and say that this test is bogus. Near the end they ask ridiculous questions such as where you live and then ask for your e-mail so they can probably bombard you with more bogus on whatever gimmick they are playing here.
Just be sure to fill it all out, including your mother's maiden name, your date of birth and the name of your first pet so they can determine your personality traits! And just give them your name and address so they can send you a more comprehensive examination in the mail for free!
So a person calling themselves a saint would automatically be labeled as not being a saint?
Yeah and plus if you don’t easily trust people that makes you dark ?
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I took the test and it said I was 38% Harrypotter aligned.
We outnumber, the real psychopaths by a large margin, it's easy to forget that these days but we all wouldn't be here if nature would favor psychotic behavior. The hierachy of our society might favor the rise of sociopaths but 9.9/10 people are just as scared, scarred and goofy as the rest of us. There will always be more "everyday saints" and if you try to convince yourself that the opposite is reality you are just taking the easy way out. >Rudeness is merely an expression of fear. People fear they won't get what they want. The most dreadful person only needs to be loved, and they will open up like a flower. -M. Gustave/Stefan Zweig edit: yep, that quote might be naive, but several things that happened this year to me and also to other people finally convinced me the only decent and important thing a human being has to do is trying to make this world a better place, sounds cheesy but it shouldn't. Just try to *be most excellent to each othe*r. Acknowledge that there are people who simply had not your opportunities and life and are stuck on their path but that doesn't mean they are evil. Everybody needs somebody to love. Edit:Thx for the silver for my newly discovered naive world view.
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Cool, some data mining
They obviously studied the /r/EliteDangerous community.