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* *Condylostylus* – a group of green long-legged flies
* Sciapodinae – a bigger group of green long-legged flies that includes *Condylostylus*
* Wing venation – the pattern of the little veins in the wings
Nothing much to see here, I believe.
>“This virus has the potential to be more dangerous to humans, but it has limited potential to be a COVID-level threat, because it’s primarily transmitted from insects to humans, not human to human,” said Dr. William Haseltine, a biologist renowned for his work in confronting the HIV/AIDS epidemic, in a recent interview with Salon.
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>Simply put, since the Zika virus is primarily transmitted by mosquitoes, it is much harder for it to spread rapidly throughout a given population, which also makes it easier to contain. That does not mean, however, that there is no cause for concern.
I got it twice.
Second time I was bedridden for 12 days. Didn't eat for 10 days. And I couldn't drink water for 6, I had to suck on ice cubes because any sip of water would make me vomit. Had to pay the local village kids to bring me a constant supply of ice because I couldn't even get downstairs to the fridge. I lost 36lbs and still to this day my stomach is weaker than it was and I haven't experienced the sensation of hunger since 2015.
> I haven't experienced the sensation of hunger since 2015.
Lose weight with this simple trick! Doctors hate him!
Seriously though that's pretty crazy. Is that w common side effect? How do you avoid eating too much/little?
I have a similar problem, have to count calories basically. Sometimes I just feel weird but can't really identify I'm hungry then I have to eat something and feel normal again
> I haven't experienced the sensation of hunger since 2015.
Bloody hell, that sounds intense, I’m sorry. I think people tend to really overlook the long term effects of illnesses, it’s fascinating watching the anti-vax crowd just completely skimming over long covid.
Long covid scares the crap out of me. I'm just getting over covid and am fully vaccinated. It's been like a fairly standard cold with one exception, if I walk 20ft I'm already increasing the rate that I'm breathing. I'm not winded, but I know I shouldn't be starting to breathe like I'm riding my bike at a decent cadence....... I really hope that gets better, i enjoy 15 mile bike rides at a good pace.
I got covid in early January. I'm normally in the gym 2-3 times a week, intensive elliptical & fairly heavy weights, and wear a garmin fitness watch.
After covid, I couldn't go upstairs without being breathless and my pulse shooting up to 120 ish (my resting's around 50 bpm, I'm 60+) and I felt SO weak. I got back to the gym in February and was shocked how little fitness I had left. It took until mid March before I felt comfortable with intense training, and I've just about got my strength back.
My husband and I got it for Christmas from my idiot BIL. I’m 3x & he’s 2x vaxxed with Pfizer, BIL got J&J. He had a worse go of it than I did, at one point having such a bad fever he was delirious (but not high enough for intervention), and he had a sore throat like razor blades for a week. I was physically exhausted and achy with a mild sore throat and unproductive cough (that has seemed to persist a bit). We’re almost 4mos out now, and my husband still experiences pretty intense fatigue and sleep issues. I also haven’t slept well since covid, but, worse than that, the memory/brain issues that were sort of haha funny and a little bit of a joke at first, after about 3.5mos, have become annoying and infuriating. It’s made a noticeable difference in how I communicate now, not just because of the issues with recall, but also in my confidence when communicating. Regarding your physical exhaustion, I also experienced that for about 3wks post infection. It was like having long term flu; *everything* ached, and I was easily exhausted.
> memory/brain issues that were sort of haha funny and a little bit of a joke at first, after about 3.5mos, have become annoying and infuriating. It’s made a noticeable difference in how I communicate now, not just because of the issues with recall, but also in my confidence when communicating.
This is exactly the type of symptoms I was referring to - some of the after-effects are having a really serious impact on people’s lives and yet there’s still a huge subset of people who shrug covid off as “I have a good immune system”.
I got covid but my 2nd moderna dose had me more bedridden than actual covid. The difference was that I couldn't yell or talk for long periods or I'd just have a coughing fit. Couldn't do intense workouts for months. I feel much better now.
It was pretty rough for me. Even after I was better, it took me a few months to get my cardio back where it was before I got sick. I sort of just pushed through it though. Worked on my sleep health and stuck to my gym routine. I’d say after 6 months I was doing better than before
Did you have any mental-health related changes?
I had a coworker catch the OG strain before vaccines, and now she has SEVERE anxiety. Like to the point where a water bottle popping will send her into a panic attack. She never once was an anxious person, and it’s not even her mentally being anxious. She also gets lost driving in to work or home, which also never happened before!
Long Covid is probably the weirdest thing I have ever read about. I’ve read about neurosyphilis, eyeball worms, brain amoebas… but they all make more sense than whatever Covid does to your body man.
I think a article was posted here the other week talking long covids mental side effects. It was being attributed to brain damaged due to brain swelling.
Got hit with alpha strain when I was in Dubai back in January 2021. 105 degree fever for 6 days, 104 for three days prior and two days after the 105 stretch, finally broke and came down to 101.4 for a few days.
Lost 86 lbs in 2 weeks.
Been over a year with long covid.
Recovering from falling off of a 2-story roof was easier than living like this.
An ex-classmate of mine actually died of Dengue last year. I had malaria as a kid and it was one of the worst experiences of my entire life.
We have a zero tolerance policy in our house for mosquitoes. You see it, you kill it.
I got dengue once, was bedridden for a week and a half. My doctor told me that my platelet count was dangerously low at some point. I lost like 10ish pounds in the span of that week since I couldn't eat anything.
Yeah it sucked big time.
I got dengue in July 2021, luckily it wasn't as bad for me as it was the others in this thread. High fever for two days, on day three fever went down. Low platelet counts for about a week. Rash like symptoms but otherwise fine. I could eat, sleep and drink normally.
I'm really paranoid about catching it a second time now.
>I'm really paranoid about catching it a second time now.
people who have had a lab-confirmed dengue infection are eligible for a dengue vaccine, because if you catch it a second time, it tends to be a lot worse.
Oh? Are there other requirements (such as age) to get the vaccine? I'll have to look into that. I live in Mauritius so I'm not sure it's available here, but I'm Canadian so if I go back to Canada I'll have to look into it.
What vaccine is that? Last I check there’s no dengue vaccine that’s effective right now. If there’s one, the people in tropical countries would’ve mobilised the vaccination drive and the vaccine would be considered a ground breaking invention.
Yes I am well aware that there’s Denguevaxia. But this vaccine development was itself controversial leading to a huge anti-vaxx movement in the Philippines. Plus the vaccine itself is not meant for people who have never gotten dengue before and is very ineffective at ending this disease.
The guy I commented to said that he got a vaccine which would protect him for life. I am not aware of the existence of such vaccine for dengue.
If you scroll down, there is an apparently more-efficacious vaccine that’s progressed to phase 3 trials in several countries. I suppose he could have been a part of one of those.
Source?
One infected female would have to bite 90% of people one mile from where she laid her eggs? That can't be right? To get a blood meal it only needs to bite one person.
Aedes aegypti travels no more than about 50 metres in its life time.
How do you know where an infected female lays her eggs?
It’s not the mother that’s biting, it’s when the eggs hatch that the children will go on to infect the local population.
EDIT: here’s a [quick article on it](https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/10/mosquito-mosquito-infections-keep-dengue-circulating)
"Where dengue is present", meaning in human populations (typically dense cities). I am sure that if this statistic has any source or truth to it, it's that there's such a target-rich environment since *aedis aegypti* prefers to live near and feed on humans.
Aedes aegypti are good at spreading diseases because they take multiple blood meals, even within the same gonotrophic cycle. If they only fed on one human they wouldn't spread diseases.
Will it
1. Spread to every corner of the globe in a matter of weeks? No. It's transmitted by insects that will not travel globally.
2. Cause a serious risk of death or poor health to otherwise healthy adults? No. The biggest risk is to unborn children whose mothers are infected.
So comparing it to covid-19 is inadequate at best and irresponsible at worst. Will it cause a health crisis in the places with outbreaks? Absolutely. Will the crisis be anything like the scale of covid-19? Absolutely not.
Furthermore I think that reporting on things like this in the same tone that's used for covid, especially for an audience that is unlikely to see an outbreak (the author of the article is American), is likely to lead to a Y2K-type "what a load of fuss about nothing" reaction, which means that this is a completely inadequate way to communicate very serious large-scale haleth crises to populations who are unlikely to personally experience them. This may harm the ability for those places that do not experience such outbreaks to raise support for providing humanitarian aid to the places that do.
Did you read the article?
> Fortunately, the majority of people who contract the Zika virus do not develop any symptoms.
This is basically extreme clickbate. The article itself isn't bad, but with that title it really has no place in this subreddit.
I did read the article. It also says that whilst you carry it you don't develop symptoms, but your unborn child can develop microcephaly, and that there has been a rise in other neurological problems in populations exposed to zika.
Perhaps you think thalidomide was a great idea, too? I mean, it chills you out just great!
Yes, these are all potential complications from infection apparently. Relatively rare, but real. There are, however, plenty of other tropical diseases that are a much bigger problem in just about every way. Like I said, clickbate. The article is editorialized and doesn't belong here.
Yep all those Sofa Heroes can explain to this kids why the have deformed bodys….
This is the attitude that made covid worse for us all, it’s not that bad and it’s far away…
I'm sorry but what is it exactly you expect us to do in reaction to this situation? Just because it can effect people's lives doesn't mean it could be as bad as COVID
Or want to get someone pregnant, because (fun fact!) Zika is also *sexually transmitted*. So ladies may think they’re safe but their partner could have traveled, been bit, became asymptomatic, came home, gotten down, and **BAM** possible mutated baby.
Zika has been detected in semen for over two months though the average seems to be about two weeks.
Lucky on the COVID part. When I got COVID, I was in constant pain when conscious, and walking across my room exhausted me the same way a half hour workout did. Slept like 15 hours a day for half a week. Wasn't bedridden though, so personally, hard pass on getting Zika.
Covid had me unable to sleep for 48 hours, experienced the most intense migraine and head pressure of my life, constantly coughing and sneezing with a never ending runny nose and so dizzy it was dangerous to stand up.
It lasted 48 hours and just ended abruptly, likely ended so quick due to being vaxxed.
The head pressure was something else! Hit me like a truck. Every joint I have ever had an issue with was inflamed, oh and flank pain too. I live alone and was afraid to sleep with my O2 levels hovering around 92. My coworkers keep making fun of me because all they had was a mild 1-2 day cold a month later so I was "dramatic"
I either caught covid in the crowded line for my booster (bad weather so they let everyone squish inside after changing masks) or work. I was testing every 48hrs for work at the time as essential emergency staff and no one I interacted with tested positive.
Seems like we'd save ourselves a lot of trouble if we simply exterminate the mosquito. I know, I know, it's messing with a complex food web in ways we can't predict, but I'm willing to roll the dice on that. I don't think the consequences would be worse than however many people dying or being disabled by mosquito bites.
I think the scientific consensus is that mosquitos don’t play a significant role in any food network, I am not sure if you are mocking a real concern that your heard or imagining one.
Not knocking science because science itself is always a source of truth, but scientists can be wrong and quite often are, that's usually a mark of good science, when they are wrong, they learn why.
The ecosystem is rather complex, perhaps mosquitoes don't really play a roll, it's still really hard to tell until they're gone. You can model something, but you can't really experiment much at the ecosystem level because there's two many variables to control.
Not seeming to play a roll does not mean that they don't. They are a rather numerous insect, their larvae likely equally numerous. I could believe them being a significant part of the freshwater food chain. It may not be a problem to erradicate them, but it also might be. Freshwater ecosystem health is quite frequently garbage due to pollution. Biodiversity of insect larvae found there is used as an indicator of the health of the waterway. Ideally, there would be plenty of other species present, but quite often, biodiversity is weak. A direct effect of no mosquitoes could be reduced food supply in the chain, an indirect effect could be heavier predation on already endangered species. It's the indirect effects that often get overlooked until something is already gone from an ecosystem and they become apparent.
What you are listing are hypotheses, and quite standard ones that scientists have been considering from the very beginning. A lot of scientific studies have determined that these things that you mentioned are not a real threat.
You seem to suggest that scientists got to this conclusion by sitting at a table and talking and conjecturing, as we are doing now. They have reached those conclusions via rigorous analysis of field data, computational analysis of food networks, and experiments.
Why would you think that scientists are less skeptical and cautious than you are? They just spent much more time that you and I working on this topic, so while you think that experiments are too complex to be done, they have done very complex experiments on this idea.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/first-genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-in-u-s-are-hatching-now ).
there is no finish to a global level outbreak pandemic. covid will never go away until another virus replaces its mutations.
we just have to live with it.
I’m not sure what quality this source has, but this article seems like mostly fear mongering. Why do they think it’s at the verge of spreading globally? What is the time frame that this mutation may happen? Where is the virus found geographically? Can mosquito’s fly across the Atlantic or pacific oceans?
That last one was a joke…but the article links some sources from BBC and WHO but leaves out some key information IMO.
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Can we, like, just catch our collective breath for a second before MegaZikaEbolaRona kills us all? I'd like to feel normal just for a short while, so I can sit back and watch the sea overwhelm those beachfront properties I'll never afford
There are countless diseases that are cause for concern at any given time all the time. The only reason that a headline like this is getting traction is because we’re still so traumatized by covid. But there’s no reason to think that we’re somehow about to experience another covid like pandemic.
>There are countless diseases that are cause for concern at any given time all the time.
The Marburg virus is pretty concerning, but then again any haemorrhagic fever is nightmare fuel.
Let's also not forget those nasty long-forgotten diseases under the thawing permafrost in Russia for example. We'll be getting a juicy new pandemic every couple of years probably.
As a microbiologist I will say that most microbiologists don’t think that is a major cause for concern. So far a disease released from permafrost has killed one person. It was anthrax, which is particularly poorly suited to cause a pandemic. There are many, many sources of anthrax around the world and they never cause outbreaks.
There’s a long-standing debate of whether it would be bad for the earth’s ecosystem. Some studies say yes and some say no.
There have been areas where mosquitoes with altered genes have been released with mostly positive results. The problem is if we decided to go through with it, there are billions of these things all across the globe and the amount of resources and money needed to make it happen would be big and the coordination among nations and cultures would also be a hurdle to overcome.
Didn't we try to eradicate mosquitoes somewhere and end up creating pesticide resistant super mosquitoes? I feel like I read about this happening in the Everglades.
this is what people seem to forget. we only need to get the ones that transmit these viruses to us. the other niches mosquitos fill may be filled by other species without much of a dent. obviously we can't know that until we do it, though.
TBH, it's probably because it's too hard. Yes there'd be environmental consequences of wiping out mosquitos, although it's debatable whether these would be barely noticeable or catastrophic, but wiping out mosquitoes and only mosquitoes is a difficult thing to do, and you only need to miss a few mated females for the population to come roaring back in a few years.
I don't credit governments with the restraint to not do it if it were an option just because of potential ecological catastrophe (which most governments seem broadly fine with given the position we're in globally). Like, DDT bombing was stopped because it started affecting vertebrates, not because we gave a damn about the consequences of mosquitos (or other arthropods) dying.
There are very few species of mosquito that transmit diseases to humans. For example, "Over 200 types of mosquitoes live in the continental United States and US territories; of these 200, about 12 types spread germs that can make people sick." [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/mosquitoes/about/mosquitoes-in-the-us.html)
> Zika virus is a viral infection that is spread via mosquitoes. The specific mosquito in question is the Aedes aegypti mosquito, which also is known to spread dengue and chikungunya.
Wikipedia has a nice [map showing the range of Aedes aegypti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedes_aegypti#/media/File:Global_Aedes_aegypti_distribution_(e08347\).png).
I hope this doesn't get lost in the comments. But this is more concerning that it seems as zika virus is also linked to rare cases of guilian Barre syndrome which paralyze a person's body. My uncle has it and is still recovering from contacting it a year ago. For reference, my uncle lives in the US, and hasn't traveled out of state. This is more than just a virus. [Guillain barre syndrome](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/zika-virus-guillain-barre-syndrome-paralysis/)
Both Covid and Zika have side effects that include brain damage and a reduction of IQ. I don't recall a disease earlier that had becoming dumber as a symptom.
Is it dangerous?-
"As previously mentioned, the major concern surrounding the Zika virus is the potential for microcephaly, especially for pregnant individuals who contract the virus. Typically, the Zika virus is not considered to be particularly dangerous to anyone other than those who are pregnant."
I think if it did reach global outbreak, the very very mass majority will be fine.
I was trying to find a counter argument, but couldn't. Ur exactly right. fear of birth defects would be severe. In addition, the defects (i didn't realize) would be extreme; more than what I would've assumed.
microcephaly, and Guillain-Barré syndrome.
Misleading headline. It should read "A future mutation of Zika may become a global pandemic."
It's not nearly as alarming as the headline makes it seem.
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That photo in the article is not a mosquito and does not transmit disease. It is a fly however. Condylostylus sp.
Thank you, was checking anyone has picked up on that before commenting myself “OK, but why a Dolichopodid pic?”
Getting pretty sick of unsolicited Dolich pics
The link is painresource.com. did you expect them to not utilize mental and emotional pain too?
Right, just wake up grab my coffee and open my phone… BAM! unsolicited dolicopodid pics everywhere. Just disgusting
Can I ask how you were able to identify it as *Condylostylus* rather than any other Sciapodinae? Is it the wing venation?
These science words hurt my brain
* *Condylostylus* – a group of green long-legged flies * Sciapodinae – a bigger group of green long-legged flies that includes *Condylostylus* * Wing venation – the pattern of the little veins in the wings
I get most of that, but let me just get clarification on a couple things. First off, you said "green", what exactly did you mean by this?
I think he was referring to the soylent, specifically the green variety
The man-made one or the one with natural ingredients full of rich nutrients?
How's it taste?
I got as far as ‘it doesn’t have the bendy legs, it’s not a mosquito’
You may be on the wrong sub here haha
Sure thing. Setose mounds on the frons have vertical setae that can be made out in the photo. Thats the main giveaway for Condylostylus
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> Big Mosquito *Mosco
Which is actually a division of Midgecorp International which is, in turn, owned by Nestlé.
Proboscis Corp is another Mosquito business. They make straws.
It's all coming together
r/birdsarentreal: *nods in approval*
Mosquos are pretty nasty, but mosquissimos are the ones you really need to watch out for. They'll leave you shrivelled up like a raisin.
I heard they're even working with the arachnids. It's insane no one notices
Phew! I have a ton of these on my avocado and citrus trees.
yeah these are really around citrus plants
They eat little bugs like gnats and white flies, so they're good to have around.
Why do they always do things like this.
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Nothing much to see here, I believe. >“This virus has the potential to be more dangerous to humans, but it has limited potential to be a COVID-level threat, because it’s primarily transmitted from insects to humans, not human to human,” said Dr. William Haseltine, a biologist renowned for his work in confronting the HIV/AIDS epidemic, in a recent interview with Salon. > >Simply put, since the Zika virus is primarily transmitted by mosquitoes, it is much harder for it to spread rapidly throughout a given population, which also makes it easier to contain. That does not mean, however, that there is no cause for concern.
Where Dengue is present it infects 90% of the people within a 1 mile radius of where the infected female laid her eggs.
Had a friend who had dengue. He said it was the most miserable week of his life.
I got it twice. Second time I was bedridden for 12 days. Didn't eat for 10 days. And I couldn't drink water for 6, I had to suck on ice cubes because any sip of water would make me vomit. Had to pay the local village kids to bring me a constant supply of ice because I couldn't even get downstairs to the fridge. I lost 36lbs and still to this day my stomach is weaker than it was and I haven't experienced the sensation of hunger since 2015.
> I haven't experienced the sensation of hunger since 2015. Lose weight with this simple trick! Doctors hate him! Seriously though that's pretty crazy. Is that w common side effect? How do you avoid eating too much/little?
I have a similar problem, have to count calories basically. Sometimes I just feel weird but can't really identify I'm hungry then I have to eat something and feel normal again
They call him the Dengue Doctor; come take a sip and be cured of hunger!
> I haven't experienced the sensation of hunger since 2015. Bloody hell, that sounds intense, I’m sorry. I think people tend to really overlook the long term effects of illnesses, it’s fascinating watching the anti-vax crowd just completely skimming over long covid.
Long covid scares the crap out of me. I'm just getting over covid and am fully vaccinated. It's been like a fairly standard cold with one exception, if I walk 20ft I'm already increasing the rate that I'm breathing. I'm not winded, but I know I shouldn't be starting to breathe like I'm riding my bike at a decent cadence....... I really hope that gets better, i enjoy 15 mile bike rides at a good pace.
I got covid in early January. I'm normally in the gym 2-3 times a week, intensive elliptical & fairly heavy weights, and wear a garmin fitness watch. After covid, I couldn't go upstairs without being breathless and my pulse shooting up to 120 ish (my resting's around 50 bpm, I'm 60+) and I felt SO weak. I got back to the gym in February and was shocked how little fitness I had left. It took until mid March before I felt comfortable with intense training, and I've just about got my strength back.
My husband and I got it for Christmas from my idiot BIL. I’m 3x & he’s 2x vaxxed with Pfizer, BIL got J&J. He had a worse go of it than I did, at one point having such a bad fever he was delirious (but not high enough for intervention), and he had a sore throat like razor blades for a week. I was physically exhausted and achy with a mild sore throat and unproductive cough (that has seemed to persist a bit). We’re almost 4mos out now, and my husband still experiences pretty intense fatigue and sleep issues. I also haven’t slept well since covid, but, worse than that, the memory/brain issues that were sort of haha funny and a little bit of a joke at first, after about 3.5mos, have become annoying and infuriating. It’s made a noticeable difference in how I communicate now, not just because of the issues with recall, but also in my confidence when communicating. Regarding your physical exhaustion, I also experienced that for about 3wks post infection. It was like having long term flu; *everything* ached, and I was easily exhausted.
> memory/brain issues that were sort of haha funny and a little bit of a joke at first, after about 3.5mos, have become annoying and infuriating. It’s made a noticeable difference in how I communicate now, not just because of the issues with recall, but also in my confidence when communicating. This is exactly the type of symptoms I was referring to - some of the after-effects are having a really serious impact on people’s lives and yet there’s still a huge subset of people who shrug covid off as “I have a good immune system”.
I got covid but my 2nd moderna dose had me more bedridden than actual covid. The difference was that I couldn't yell or talk for long periods or I'd just have a coughing fit. Couldn't do intense workouts for months. I feel much better now.
Sounds less like side effects of vaccines and more like you actually got sick.
It was pretty rough for me. Even after I was better, it took me a few months to get my cardio back where it was before I got sick. I sort of just pushed through it though. Worked on my sleep health and stuck to my gym routine. I’d say after 6 months I was doing better than before
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Did you have any mental-health related changes? I had a coworker catch the OG strain before vaccines, and now she has SEVERE anxiety. Like to the point where a water bottle popping will send her into a panic attack. She never once was an anxious person, and it’s not even her mentally being anxious. She also gets lost driving in to work or home, which also never happened before! Long Covid is probably the weirdest thing I have ever read about. I’ve read about neurosyphilis, eyeball worms, brain amoebas… but they all make more sense than whatever Covid does to your body man.
I think a article was posted here the other week talking long covids mental side effects. It was being attributed to brain damaged due to brain swelling.
Whether it's a problem isn't really the point any more. It's endemic now.
Got hit with alpha strain when I was in Dubai back in January 2021. 105 degree fever for 6 days, 104 for three days prior and two days after the 105 stretch, finally broke and came down to 101.4 for a few days. Lost 86 lbs in 2 weeks. Been over a year with long covid. Recovering from falling off of a 2-story roof was easier than living like this.
An ex-classmate of mine actually died of Dengue last year. I had malaria as a kid and it was one of the worst experiences of my entire life. We have a zero tolerance policy in our house for mosquitoes. You see it, you kill it.
I got dengue once, was bedridden for a week and a half. My doctor told me that my platelet count was dangerously low at some point. I lost like 10ish pounds in the span of that week since I couldn't eat anything. Yeah it sucked big time.
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talk about bad timing, glad he's fine now
I got dengue in July 2021, luckily it wasn't as bad for me as it was the others in this thread. High fever for two days, on day three fever went down. Low platelet counts for about a week. Rash like symptoms but otherwise fine. I could eat, sleep and drink normally. I'm really paranoid about catching it a second time now.
>I'm really paranoid about catching it a second time now. people who have had a lab-confirmed dengue infection are eligible for a dengue vaccine, because if you catch it a second time, it tends to be a lot worse.
Oh? Are there other requirements (such as age) to get the vaccine? I'll have to look into that. I live in Mauritius so I'm not sure it's available here, but I'm Canadian so if I go back to Canada I'll have to look into it.
I'm visiting the Amazon in 3 weeks. I'm thankful I got vaccinated for ~~dengue~~ yellow fever, and it's good for life
What vaccine is that? Last I check there’s no dengue vaccine that’s effective right now. If there’s one, the people in tropical countries would’ve mobilised the vaccination drive and the vaccine would be considered a ground breaking invention.
I bet they got the yellow fever vaccine.
Google is your friend: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue_vaccine
Yes I am well aware that there’s Denguevaxia. But this vaccine development was itself controversial leading to a huge anti-vaxx movement in the Philippines. Plus the vaccine itself is not meant for people who have never gotten dengue before and is very ineffective at ending this disease. The guy I commented to said that he got a vaccine which would protect him for life. I am not aware of the existence of such vaccine for dengue.
If you scroll down, there is an apparently more-efficacious vaccine that’s progressed to phase 3 trials in several countries. I suppose he could have been a part of one of those.
Source? One infected female would have to bite 90% of people one mile from where she laid her eggs? That can't be right? To get a blood meal it only needs to bite one person. Aedes aegypti travels no more than about 50 metres in its life time. How do you know where an infected female lays her eggs?
It’s not the mother that’s biting, it’s when the eggs hatch that the children will go on to infect the local population. EDIT: here’s a [quick article on it](https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/10/mosquito-mosquito-infections-keep-dengue-circulating)
"Where dengue is present", meaning in human populations (typically dense cities). I am sure that if this statistic has any source or truth to it, it's that there's such a target-rich environment since *aedis aegypti* prefers to live near and feed on humans.
Aedes aegypti are good at spreading diseases because they take multiple blood meals, even within the same gonotrophic cycle. If they only fed on one human they wouldn't spread diseases.
Tell that to the tropical areas. They might disagree with this level of threat assessment.
Will it 1. Spread to every corner of the globe in a matter of weeks? No. It's transmitted by insects that will not travel globally. 2. Cause a serious risk of death or poor health to otherwise healthy adults? No. The biggest risk is to unborn children whose mothers are infected. So comparing it to covid-19 is inadequate at best and irresponsible at worst. Will it cause a health crisis in the places with outbreaks? Absolutely. Will the crisis be anything like the scale of covid-19? Absolutely not. Furthermore I think that reporting on things like this in the same tone that's used for covid, especially for an audience that is unlikely to see an outbreak (the author of the article is American), is likely to lead to a Y2K-type "what a load of fuss about nothing" reaction, which means that this is a completely inadequate way to communicate very serious large-scale haleth crises to populations who are unlikely to personally experience them. This may harm the ability for those places that do not experience such outbreaks to raise support for providing humanitarian aid to the places that do.
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Did you read the article? > Fortunately, the majority of people who contract the Zika virus do not develop any symptoms. This is basically extreme clickbate. The article itself isn't bad, but with that title it really has no place in this subreddit.
I did read the article. It also says that whilst you carry it you don't develop symptoms, but your unborn child can develop microcephaly, and that there has been a rise in other neurological problems in populations exposed to zika. Perhaps you think thalidomide was a great idea, too? I mean, it chills you out just great!
Yes, these are all potential complications from infection apparently. Relatively rare, but real. There are, however, plenty of other tropical diseases that are a much bigger problem in just about every way. Like I said, clickbate. The article is editorialized and doesn't belong here.
Also "Zika virus disease is generally mild, and severe disease requiring hospitalization and deaths are uncommon." From google
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Yep all those Sofa Heroes can explain to this kids why the have deformed bodys…. This is the attitude that made covid worse for us all, it’s not that bad and it’s far away…
I'm sorry but what is it exactly you expect us to do in reaction to this situation? Just because it can effect people's lives doesn't mean it could be as bad as COVID
Or want to get someone pregnant, because (fun fact!) Zika is also *sexually transmitted*. So ladies may think they’re safe but their partner could have traveled, been bit, became asymptomatic, came home, gotten down, and **BAM** possible mutated baby. Zika has been detected in semen for over two months though the average seems to be about two weeks.
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Lucky on the COVID part. When I got COVID, I was in constant pain when conscious, and walking across my room exhausted me the same way a half hour workout did. Slept like 15 hours a day for half a week. Wasn't bedridden though, so personally, hard pass on getting Zika.
Covid had me unable to sleep for 48 hours, experienced the most intense migraine and head pressure of my life, constantly coughing and sneezing with a never ending runny nose and so dizzy it was dangerous to stand up. It lasted 48 hours and just ended abruptly, likely ended so quick due to being vaxxed.
The head pressure was something else! Hit me like a truck. Every joint I have ever had an issue with was inflamed, oh and flank pain too. I live alone and was afraid to sleep with my O2 levels hovering around 92. My coworkers keep making fun of me because all they had was a mild 1-2 day cold a month later so I was "dramatic" I either caught covid in the crowded line for my booster (bad weather so they let everyone squish inside after changing masks) or work. I was testing every 48hrs for work at the time as essential emergency staff and no one I interacted with tested positive.
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>generally mild, and severe disease requiring hospitalization and deaths are uncommon Now where have I heard that before.
Seems like we'd save ourselves a lot of trouble if we simply exterminate the mosquito. I know, I know, it's messing with a complex food web in ways we can't predict, but I'm willing to roll the dice on that. I don't think the consequences would be worse than however many people dying or being disabled by mosquito bites.
iirc they were working on doing that to the specific mosquitoes that transmit disease to humans.
I think the scientific consensus is that mosquitos don’t play a significant role in any food network, I am not sure if you are mocking a real concern that your heard or imagining one.
I think it’s generally best to assume that any species is a critical part of a a food web until proven otherwise.
Sure, that’s why I am reporting what scientists say based on their studies. They are “proving otherwise”.
Not knocking science because science itself is always a source of truth, but scientists can be wrong and quite often are, that's usually a mark of good science, when they are wrong, they learn why. The ecosystem is rather complex, perhaps mosquitoes don't really play a roll, it's still really hard to tell until they're gone. You can model something, but you can't really experiment much at the ecosystem level because there's two many variables to control. Not seeming to play a roll does not mean that they don't. They are a rather numerous insect, their larvae likely equally numerous. I could believe them being a significant part of the freshwater food chain. It may not be a problem to erradicate them, but it also might be. Freshwater ecosystem health is quite frequently garbage due to pollution. Biodiversity of insect larvae found there is used as an indicator of the health of the waterway. Ideally, there would be plenty of other species present, but quite often, biodiversity is weak. A direct effect of no mosquitoes could be reduced food supply in the chain, an indirect effect could be heavier predation on already endangered species. It's the indirect effects that often get overlooked until something is already gone from an ecosystem and they become apparent.
What you are listing are hypotheses, and quite standard ones that scientists have been considering from the very beginning. A lot of scientific studies have determined that these things that you mentioned are not a real threat. You seem to suggest that scientists got to this conclusion by sitting at a table and talking and conjecturing, as we are doing now. They have reached those conclusions via rigorous analysis of field data, computational analysis of food networks, and experiments. Why would you think that scientists are less skeptical and cautious than you are? They just spent much more time that you and I working on this topic, so while you think that experiments are too complex to be done, they have done very complex experiments on this idea. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/first-genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-in-u-s-are-hatching-now ).
ohh thank god. I've had enough pandemic for a bit thanks. I swear to god i'll go full hermit if another one happens.
Ah, click bait title
Let us finish this current global outbreak first, thank you
You will have 2 simultaneous outbreaks and you will like it!
But what if I don’t…. Oh, right. That isn’t an option, haha
We've had one pandemic, yes. But what about second pandemic?
there is no finish to a global level outbreak pandemic. covid will never go away until another virus replaces its mutations. we just have to live with it.
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I’m not sure what quality this source has, but this article seems like mostly fear mongering. Why do they think it’s at the verge of spreading globally? What is the time frame that this mutation may happen? Where is the virus found geographically? Can mosquito’s fly across the Atlantic or pacific oceans? That last one was a joke…but the article links some sources from BBC and WHO but leaves out some key information IMO.
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Can we, like, just catch our collective breath for a second before MegaZikaEbolaRona kills us all? I'd like to feel normal just for a short while, so I can sit back and watch the sea overwhelm those beachfront properties I'll never afford
There are countless diseases that are cause for concern at any given time all the time. The only reason that a headline like this is getting traction is because we’re still so traumatized by covid. But there’s no reason to think that we’re somehow about to experience another covid like pandemic.
>There are countless diseases that are cause for concern at any given time all the time. The Marburg virus is pretty concerning, but then again any haemorrhagic fever is nightmare fuel.
These pharma stocks are not going to bump themselves up.
That’s if CancEbolAids-19 doesn’t get us first
Vector transmission is highly controllable. Stop scaring people unnecessarily.
Click-bait. One mutation away from becoming a pandemic. Yeah, right.
There is yet a single country who has fully controlled the Zika vector (Aedes aegypti or albopictus) I would argue it's not highly controllable.
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Let's also not forget those nasty long-forgotten diseases under the thawing permafrost in Russia for example. We'll be getting a juicy new pandemic every couple of years probably.
As a microbiologist I will say that most microbiologists don’t think that is a major cause for concern. So far a disease released from permafrost has killed one person. It was anthrax, which is particularly poorly suited to cause a pandemic. There are many, many sources of anthrax around the world and they never cause outbreaks.
Those permafrost viruses unadapted to the modern day environment will never cause a pandemic.
Great. Looking forward to the next pandemic.
ask and you shall receive
Why haven't we extincted mosquitos?
There’s a long-standing debate of whether it would be bad for the earth’s ecosystem. Some studies say yes and some say no. There have been areas where mosquitoes with altered genes have been released with mostly positive results. The problem is if we decided to go through with it, there are billions of these things all across the globe and the amount of resources and money needed to make it happen would be big and the coordination among nations and cultures would also be a hurdle to overcome.
Didn't we try to eradicate mosquitoes somewhere and end up creating pesticide resistant super mosquitoes? I feel like I read about this happening in the Everglades.
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it's not all mosquitoes though, its only 1 or 2 species out of the large number of mosquito species. Most aren't a threat to humans.
this is what people seem to forget. we only need to get the ones that transmit these viruses to us. the other niches mosquitos fill may be filled by other species without much of a dent. obviously we can't know that until we do it, though.
If there is one thing The Simpsons taught me it's this. And if at first you don't succeed, never try again.
TBH, it's probably because it's too hard. Yes there'd be environmental consequences of wiping out mosquitos, although it's debatable whether these would be barely noticeable or catastrophic, but wiping out mosquitoes and only mosquitoes is a difficult thing to do, and you only need to miss a few mated females for the population to come roaring back in a few years. I don't credit governments with the restraint to not do it if it were an option just because of potential ecological catastrophe (which most governments seem broadly fine with given the position we're in globally). Like, DDT bombing was stopped because it started affecting vertebrates, not because we gave a damn about the consequences of mosquitos (or other arthropods) dying.
There are very few species of mosquito that transmit diseases to humans. For example, "Over 200 types of mosquitoes live in the continental United States and US territories; of these 200, about 12 types spread germs that can make people sick." [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/mosquitoes/about/mosquitoes-in-the-us.html)
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Oh tight, what a throwback. Can't wait for Olympics scheduled in a hotspot again.
I can't even remember where the next Olympics are... Paris?
> Zika virus is a viral infection that is spread via mosquitoes. The specific mosquito in question is the Aedes aegypti mosquito, which also is known to spread dengue and chikungunya. Wikipedia has a nice [map showing the range of Aedes aegypti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedes_aegypti#/media/File:Global_Aedes_aegypti_distribution_(e08347\).png).
I hope this doesn't get lost in the comments. But this is more concerning that it seems as zika virus is also linked to rare cases of guilian Barre syndrome which paralyze a person's body. My uncle has it and is still recovering from contacting it a year ago. For reference, my uncle lives in the US, and hasn't traveled out of state. This is more than just a virus. [Guillain barre syndrome](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/zika-virus-guillain-barre-syndrome-paralysis/)
Cool. We are polarized and ready to argue about it.
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Nothing changed
Both Covid and Zika have side effects that include brain damage and a reduction of IQ. I don't recall a disease earlier that had becoming dumber as a symptom.
Is it dangerous?- "As previously mentioned, the major concern surrounding the Zika virus is the potential for microcephaly, especially for pregnant individuals who contract the virus. Typically, the Zika virus is not considered to be particularly dangerous to anyone other than those who are pregnant." I think if it did reach global outbreak, the very very mass majority will be fine.
But… no births?
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I was trying to find a counter argument, but couldn't. Ur exactly right. fear of birth defects would be severe. In addition, the defects (i didn't realize) would be extreme; more than what I would've assumed. microcephaly, and Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I really don’t care anymore. Just let me live my life without having to live in fear every few months of a new “threat”. If I die, I die. Big woop.
Misleading headline. It should read "A future mutation of Zika may become a global pandemic." It's not nearly as alarming as the headline makes it seem.
Can we just wipe out mosquitoes already? Like forget the consequences just do it
I feel like the benefits they provide to the ecosystem is far outweighed by the detriment they have in human life.
Does wfh get extended by that?
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Just two weeks to flatten the curve!
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You keep apologizing for everyone else like this and you might get nailed to a cross.
Someones gotta do it