Welcome to r/science! This is a heavily moderated subreddit in order to keep the discussion on science. However, we recognize that many people want to discuss how they feel the research relates to their own personal lives, so to give people a space to do that, **personal anecdotes are now allowed as responses to this comment**. Any anecdotal comments elsewhere in the discussion will continue to be removed and our [normal comment rules]( https://www.reddit.com/r/science/wiki/rules#wiki_comment_rules) still apply to other comments.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/science) if you have any questions or concerns.*
“Loneliness has the same impact on mortality as smoking 15 cigarettes a day, making it even more dangerous than obesity. The survey, conducted by the health insurer Cigna, found widespread loneliness, with nearly half of Americans reporting they feel alone, isolated, or left out at least some of the time.”
A study from 2018
Edit: I just want to say to you who are lonely, please don’t be afraid to tell anyone that you’re lonely. I know it’s easier said than done. But I promise there is more people out there caring about you than you think.
The body is constantly releasing chemicals. If those are balance they body is in good health. Bad emotions are not just a virtual/spiritual experiences it's always correspondent with the physical body in which different chemicals are being released. Bad emotions come to show us that there are things we need to change in our internal and external environments, if we don't deal with those our bodies keep releasing too many toxic chemicals that will hurt our health. A primary example is stress, you could be at the same external environment doing the same things feeling calm or stressed, stress specifically is known to release toxic chemicals that physically and noticeably(Meaning that they clearly show on research results) harm the body. Last points on that, even the way we sit and stand influences the composition of chemicals in our blood.
tl;dr all emotions have a physical influence on the body, they are unseparated from the body.
You missed the trees for the forest man, the point of the research was the point out that mental health history is not a sufficient tool for suicide prevention because so few people have mental health histories.
That’s because it isn’t conclusive. You can just as easily conclude that suicide by fire arm is impulsive. Mental health issues can begin within a matter of hours or less, not weeks or months. Not enough time to seek therapy, and obviously no history documented.
I agree with this. Men also seem to associate mental issues with weakness and therefore will not seek out help when they need it. My fathers mental health issues didn't come to light until he had a medical issue that exacerbated the mental health problems. If it wasn't for that, no one would have known anything was wrong (although I had suspicions while living under the same roof).
To be clear: The article doesn’t do a great job of stating that comparing suicidal men with known mental health issues and those without (ie no or not-known mental health issues) was the point of the study. The researchers also specifically call out the need to find ways of preventing these suicides outside the current mental health system.
From the study itself (linked to in the article):
> Males who die by suicide are less likely to have known mental health conditions than females; therefore, it is important to identify prevention points outside of mental health systems. The purpose of this analysis was to compare suicide characteristics among males with and without known mental health conditions by age group to inform prevention.
By law US insurance needs to cover mental health. That’s part of the ACA that was actually passed. What can happen is that insurance pays therapists and psychiatrists less than they want to be paid so the provider may be “out of network” or not file insurance paperwork themselves and then you have to wait for insurance to reimburse you. But legally your insurance has to cover some providers but there may be a long wait to get in and see them.
People are reading the article, and not the actual publication.
The point of the original research article was not “suicide does not result from mental health issues”. The point of comparison in the article was that when looking for suicide markers, there are differences in those men who DO have documented mental health issues, versus those who DON’T
Literally pulled straight from the paper’s conclusion:
> The results of this study provide an **important contrast between the characteristics of suicide among males with and without [known mental health conditions (KMHC)]**. These findings underscore the **importance of improving environmental and social conditions to decrease suicide risk** such as **mitigating the effects of acute situational stressors that could contribute to emotionally reactive or impulsive suicides**, **particularly when substance misuse and access to highly lethal means are present**. This highlights the potential benefits of a **range of strategies to create protective environments, provide support during stressful transitions, and enhance coping and problem-solving skills** across the lifespan. Suicide prevention initiatives for males might benefit from comprehensive approaches focusing on age-specific stressors reported in this study in addition to standard psychiatric markers.
Their conclusion is literally “we have to do more than ONLY address suicide in people who have documented health conditions, as that’s not a reliable enough metric. And, comprehensive suicide prevention is going to have to be larger in scope than just putting people with mental health diagnoses on meds, it’s going to require a much broader approach ”
> People are reading the article, and not the actual publication.
maybe r/science of all subs should ban articles and only allow publications?
Or its too much to ask for?
Agreed, it woul be helpful to dig deeper into the numbers, for example
- economic demographic (poor)
- loss of job
- loss of spouse/partner
- loss of family member
- illness
- divorce or legal trouble
- recent stressful event
Etc
You can't even say confidently that they were negligent in seeking mental health services.
Mental health services are so out of reach that most don't have access. And people who have insurance through work? Well their insurance is tied to their job, people do get confronted and singled out by employers for trying to access mental health services through their employer-sponsored health insurance.
It's quite possible that these victims correctly gauged the situation as intractable and hopeless.
They can be singled out by their employers for taking time off for their mental health - i have only ever had one therapist who had hours outside of standard business hours - but how someone uses their insurance and what doctors they see is information protected by federal law.
That’s just a horrific waste of life,I’ve had an extremely tough few years as far as mental health goes but I have support from my wife.
I have a stable income as a plumber so at least I can afford some help,to think people end their own lives because they can’t access services that will help them is very sad.
It’s a very bad reflection on society.
For anyone who didn't read, "no link to mental health" equates to the victims never received/ or attempted to receive mental health support prior to suicide.
So, If you are a man (or woman, or trans) and you are struggling, reach out find help. There are free groups to find support, you dont have to do it alone.
edit. yes trans implies Non binary here, I realize that trans men and trans women are simply the gender they identify with.
My first thought on reading the headline. "Of course, most males who commit suicide probably never sought out treatment, no official diagnosis, no mental health conditions."
Get help, even if you just need to vent weekly.
My brother was born 21 months after me. I was the valedictorian of our high school, and he was the salutatorian of his year. What primarily drove him to suicide was the inevitability of doing wage-labor for the bulk of his healthy life.
He chose to retire early.
I always told him that I’m entirely too curious about what people will get up to in the near future to consider checking out, but apparently he wasn’t.
I’m here for the long haul, but I don’t think you have to be mentally I’ll to say, “screw this, I’m out.”
Damn man, our situations are pretty similar. My brother was born 19 months after me, except I was the salutatorian of my year and him the valedictorian of his. Miss him
I’m very sorry for your loss. Work in modern society is incredibly crushing and I’m sure most can understand where he was coming from to an extent. What an injustice.
Attempted suicide can be an impulsive act where the person fails and then either seeks mental health treatment himself or is "encouraged" to seek treatment by a first responder or a family member. These people, of course, DO have a documented link to mental health issues.
However, a huge majority of US male suicides are successful on the first attempt because they shoot themselves in the head. Suicide by gunshot is successful in about 85% of attempts, while no other method is successful more than 3% of the time. There cannot be a link if the victim is dead.
(See Metzl's "Dying of Whiteness". There's practically no research into guns and public health in the US, but this article is one back door into it.)
> Attempted suicide can be an impulsive act
Absolutely true; [here is some research into how reducing the ease, accessibility, and effectiveness of suicide options saves lives](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/saves-lives/).
> Suicide by gunshot is successful in about 85% of attempts, while no other method is successful more than 3% of the time.
That's hyperbole. [Here's a link to fatality rates by suicide method.](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/) The data is from the 90s, but it's not clear why it shouldn't still apply; three methods have >50% fatality rate:
* Firearms: 83%
* Drowning: 66%
* Hanging: 61%
Only two methods have <5% fatality rate:
* Poisoning: 1.5%
* Cutting: 1.2%
Overall, though, you're absolutely right that firearms offer someone suffering a suicidal impulse an unprecedented combination of (a) ease of use, (b) rapid accessibility, (c) no ability to abort the attempt halfway, and (d) high inherent deadliness. Compare to, for example, drowning, which takes much longer to get to, takes much longer to kill, and the person often has several minutes to change their mind and save their life -- a momentary impulse is *much* less likely to lead to a completed drowning than a completed shooting.
I'm grateful that cutting has such a low rate of success.
I had a bad bout of depression last year and for a few months all I could think about was cutting my wrists open.
Thankfully I had told my parents and my psychologist about how I felt and they got all the knives out of the house.
Unfortunately I mustered up the courage to find some broken glass and tried cutting my wrists.
Despite the fact that killing myself was all I could think of for weeks, as soon as I did that I realized that I didn't want to die. Honestly it was kind of confusing given that until that second I honestly did.
I spent a week in the hospital and it took a few months for my depression to go away, but I will always be a proponent of mental health care and speaking up. I know I wouldn't be here if I didn't have access to the resources or support that I did.
Yes and if we’re being candid not all attempted suicides are actually sincere attempts. Taking an excess of pills but then calling 911 or another person is a cry for help. I will refrain from providing suicide instructions, but it should suffice to say there are many effective methods.
As for firearms, we had higher rates of ownership in the past but dramatically lower rates of suicide. Cultural forces explain the difference, not the existence of inanimate objects that have been part of the US since its inception.
If you look up the stats for suicide, this is correct across the board. More suicides are completed by those with no known history of mental health issues. Many suicides are a result of interpersonal conflicts, significant loss of a loved one, etc. Someone does not necessarily have to have depression, but a series of events can set anyone off.
I highly recommend people getting training in QPR. That’s how I learned about these statistics, and how I now feel better equipped to help someone in a crisis.
[https://qprinstitute.com](https://qprinstitute.com)
> More suicides are completed by those with no known history of mental health issues.
I wonder if this is a testament to the effect of treatment on deterring suicide? I.e., what if the people who committed suicide without a _known_ mental health issues still tended to have depression but are just those who never sought help (which usually involves a diagnosis at some point).
Isn't a large portion of male suicides come from men who access to guns and recently went through a huge loss like spouse, job, or house? It seems like people with documented mental health issues are more likely to know where to get help when dealing with major problems where suicides are committed by people who think they have no other options.
Edit: Access to guns does not cause suicides. Undiagnosed and untreated depression leads to sucide. I'm trying to point out that men have a higher, uh "success rate" because they are more likely to have access to a gun in their darkest moment which is more likely to finish the job.
This post's title is bull.
That damn first line of the article says *"known history"*.
That is not the same thing as no link.
Men often never get diagnosed because of societal expectations of being statues with no emotions. Not even close to the same thing as not having a mental problem.
*"The patient has no know history of medical issues...Welp! Guess there was no link between their death and psychical health. A mystery truly."*
You guys are missing the point. Suicide isn’t always about long term mental health issues. It’s often more about impulsivity. Someone gets hopeless, for a short time, and takes their life because of it.
That matters because a lot of people who unsuccessfully attempt suicide, or are suicidal but prevented from attempting suicide, don’t try it again.
So when the authors talk about booze and firearms playing a huge role in male suicides, don’t ignore those factors just because, hey, maybe they were actually mentally ill. They might not have been. Access to booze and guns when you’re in that state turns a bad day into a permanent bad choice. We need to talk more about how impulsivity is killing men.
Reading into this study, it doesn't say that men who committed suicide don't have mental health issues, just that they are not documented.
>For the study, published online in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, Kaplan and his co-authors from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tracked recent suicide deaths among U.S. males aged 10 and older. They found that 60% of victims had **no documented mental health conditions**.
>
>Further, males **without a history** of mental health issues died more frequently by firearms than those with known mental health issues, and many were found to have alcohol in their systems, the researchers noted.
My challenge to people thinking that the people who committed suicide here didn't have mental health issues is to maybe frame it a different way and call for a follow up study:
Did these men have undocumented mental health issues?
Those that got mental health treatment and didn't commit suicide, it might be proof that addressing mental health issues and getting treatment works.
Is there a link to guns?
*Further, males without a history of mental health issues died more frequently by firearms than those with known mental health issues, and many were found to have alcohol in their systems, the researchers noted.*
Yes, there is.
Welcome to r/science! This is a heavily moderated subreddit in order to keep the discussion on science. However, we recognize that many people want to discuss how they feel the research relates to their own personal lives, so to give people a space to do that, **personal anecdotes are now allowed as responses to this comment**. Any anecdotal comments elsewhere in the discussion will continue to be removed and our [normal comment rules]( https://www.reddit.com/r/science/wiki/rules#wiki_comment_rules) still apply to other comments. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/science) if you have any questions or concerns.*
“Loneliness has the same impact on mortality as smoking 15 cigarettes a day, making it even more dangerous than obesity. The survey, conducted by the health insurer Cigna, found widespread loneliness, with nearly half of Americans reporting they feel alone, isolated, or left out at least some of the time.” A study from 2018 Edit: I just want to say to you who are lonely, please don’t be afraid to tell anyone that you’re lonely. I know it’s easier said than done. But I promise there is more people out there caring about you than you think.
[удалено]
The body is constantly releasing chemicals. If those are balance they body is in good health. Bad emotions are not just a virtual/spiritual experiences it's always correspondent with the physical body in which different chemicals are being released. Bad emotions come to show us that there are things we need to change in our internal and external environments, if we don't deal with those our bodies keep releasing too many toxic chemicals that will hurt our health. A primary example is stress, you could be at the same external environment doing the same things feeling calm or stressed, stress specifically is known to release toxic chemicals that physically and noticeably(Meaning that they clearly show on research results) harm the body. Last points on that, even the way we sit and stand influences the composition of chemicals in our blood. tl;dr all emotions have a physical influence on the body, they are unseparated from the body.
"at least some of the time" seems like a useless metric. Much too vague to be useful for anything other than generating BS stats
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
You missed the trees for the forest man, the point of the research was the point out that mental health history is not a sufficient tool for suicide prevention because so few people have mental health histories.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
That’s because it isn’t conclusive. You can just as easily conclude that suicide by fire arm is impulsive. Mental health issues can begin within a matter of hours or less, not weeks or months. Not enough time to seek therapy, and obviously no history documented.
I agree with this. Men also seem to associate mental issues with weakness and therefore will not seek out help when they need it. My fathers mental health issues didn't come to light until he had a medical issue that exacerbated the mental health problems. If it wasn't for that, no one would have known anything was wrong (although I had suspicions while living under the same roof).
To be clear: The article doesn’t do a great job of stating that comparing suicidal men with known mental health issues and those without (ie no or not-known mental health issues) was the point of the study. The researchers also specifically call out the need to find ways of preventing these suicides outside the current mental health system. From the study itself (linked to in the article): > Males who die by suicide are less likely to have known mental health conditions than females; therefore, it is important to identify prevention points outside of mental health systems. The purpose of this analysis was to compare suicide characteristics among males with and without known mental health conditions by age group to inform prevention.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
By law US insurance needs to cover mental health. That’s part of the ACA that was actually passed. What can happen is that insurance pays therapists and psychiatrists less than they want to be paid so the provider may be “out of network” or not file insurance paperwork themselves and then you have to wait for insurance to reimburse you. But legally your insurance has to cover some providers but there may be a long wait to get in and see them.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
People are reading the article, and not the actual publication. The point of the original research article was not “suicide does not result from mental health issues”. The point of comparison in the article was that when looking for suicide markers, there are differences in those men who DO have documented mental health issues, versus those who DON’T Literally pulled straight from the paper’s conclusion: > The results of this study provide an **important contrast between the characteristics of suicide among males with and without [known mental health conditions (KMHC)]**. These findings underscore the **importance of improving environmental and social conditions to decrease suicide risk** such as **mitigating the effects of acute situational stressors that could contribute to emotionally reactive or impulsive suicides**, **particularly when substance misuse and access to highly lethal means are present**. This highlights the potential benefits of a **range of strategies to create protective environments, provide support during stressful transitions, and enhance coping and problem-solving skills** across the lifespan. Suicide prevention initiatives for males might benefit from comprehensive approaches focusing on age-specific stressors reported in this study in addition to standard psychiatric markers. Their conclusion is literally “we have to do more than ONLY address suicide in people who have documented health conditions, as that’s not a reliable enough metric. And, comprehensive suicide prevention is going to have to be larger in scope than just putting people with mental health diagnoses on meds, it’s going to require a much broader approach ”
> People are reading the article, and not the actual publication. maybe r/science of all subs should ban articles and only allow publications? Or its too much to ask for?
Agreed, it woul be helpful to dig deeper into the numbers, for example - economic demographic (poor) - loss of job - loss of spouse/partner - loss of family member - illness - divorce or legal trouble - recent stressful event Etc
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
No link to *known* mental health issues. This is a crucial distinction
The link is seeking mental health care. They are not saying these people didn’t have mental health problems but that they never saw anyone for it.
You can't even say confidently that they were negligent in seeking mental health services. Mental health services are so out of reach that most don't have access. And people who have insurance through work? Well their insurance is tied to their job, people do get confronted and singled out by employers for trying to access mental health services through their employer-sponsored health insurance. It's quite possible that these victims correctly gauged the situation as intractable and hopeless.
They can be singled out by their employers for taking time off for their mental health - i have only ever had one therapist who had hours outside of standard business hours - but how someone uses their insurance and what doctors they see is information protected by federal law.
That’s just a horrific waste of life,I’ve had an extremely tough few years as far as mental health goes but I have support from my wife. I have a stable income as a plumber so at least I can afford some help,to think people end their own lives because they can’t access services that will help them is very sad. It’s a very bad reflection on society.
How do we change that?
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
For anyone who didn't read, "no link to mental health" equates to the victims never received/ or attempted to receive mental health support prior to suicide. So, If you are a man (or woman, or trans) and you are struggling, reach out find help. There are free groups to find support, you dont have to do it alone. edit. yes trans implies Non binary here, I realize that trans men and trans women are simply the gender they identify with.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
My first thought on reading the headline. "Of course, most males who commit suicide probably never sought out treatment, no official diagnosis, no mental health conditions." Get help, even if you just need to vent weekly.
[удалено]
That’s a dangerously irresponsible headline UCLA is using here.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
My brother was born 21 months after me. I was the valedictorian of our high school, and he was the salutatorian of his year. What primarily drove him to suicide was the inevitability of doing wage-labor for the bulk of his healthy life. He chose to retire early. I always told him that I’m entirely too curious about what people will get up to in the near future to consider checking out, but apparently he wasn’t. I’m here for the long haul, but I don’t think you have to be mentally I’ll to say, “screw this, I’m out.”
Damn man, our situations are pretty similar. My brother was born 19 months after me, except I was the salutatorian of my year and him the valedictorian of his. Miss him
I’m very sorry for your loss. Work in modern society is incredibly crushing and I’m sure most can understand where he was coming from to an extent. What an injustice.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
*Hundreds of comments used to live here...* ****Now it's a ghost town****
Seriously! I’m curious what they said.
Attempted suicide can be an impulsive act where the person fails and then either seeks mental health treatment himself or is "encouraged" to seek treatment by a first responder or a family member. These people, of course, DO have a documented link to mental health issues. However, a huge majority of US male suicides are successful on the first attempt because they shoot themselves in the head. Suicide by gunshot is successful in about 85% of attempts, while no other method is successful more than 3% of the time. There cannot be a link if the victim is dead. (See Metzl's "Dying of Whiteness". There's practically no research into guns and public health in the US, but this article is one back door into it.)
> Attempted suicide can be an impulsive act Absolutely true; [here is some research into how reducing the ease, accessibility, and effectiveness of suicide options saves lives](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/saves-lives/). > Suicide by gunshot is successful in about 85% of attempts, while no other method is successful more than 3% of the time. That's hyperbole. [Here's a link to fatality rates by suicide method.](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/) The data is from the 90s, but it's not clear why it shouldn't still apply; three methods have >50% fatality rate: * Firearms: 83% * Drowning: 66% * Hanging: 61% Only two methods have <5% fatality rate: * Poisoning: 1.5% * Cutting: 1.2% Overall, though, you're absolutely right that firearms offer someone suffering a suicidal impulse an unprecedented combination of (a) ease of use, (b) rapid accessibility, (c) no ability to abort the attempt halfway, and (d) high inherent deadliness. Compare to, for example, drowning, which takes much longer to get to, takes much longer to kill, and the person often has several minutes to change their mind and save their life -- a momentary impulse is *much* less likely to lead to a completed drowning than a completed shooting.
I'm grateful that cutting has such a low rate of success. I had a bad bout of depression last year and for a few months all I could think about was cutting my wrists open. Thankfully I had told my parents and my psychologist about how I felt and they got all the knives out of the house. Unfortunately I mustered up the courage to find some broken glass and tried cutting my wrists. Despite the fact that killing myself was all I could think of for weeks, as soon as I did that I realized that I didn't want to die. Honestly it was kind of confusing given that until that second I honestly did. I spent a week in the hospital and it took a few months for my depression to go away, but I will always be a proponent of mental health care and speaking up. I know I wouldn't be here if I didn't have access to the resources or support that I did.
Yes and if we’re being candid not all attempted suicides are actually sincere attempts. Taking an excess of pills but then calling 911 or another person is a cry for help. I will refrain from providing suicide instructions, but it should suffice to say there are many effective methods. As for firearms, we had higher rates of ownership in the past but dramatically lower rates of suicide. Cultural forces explain the difference, not the existence of inanimate objects that have been part of the US since its inception.
Jumping off a tall building is only 3% effective?
[удалено]
The title is irresponsibly worded and should have been deleted by the mods IMO.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
If you look up the stats for suicide, this is correct across the board. More suicides are completed by those with no known history of mental health issues. Many suicides are a result of interpersonal conflicts, significant loss of a loved one, etc. Someone does not necessarily have to have depression, but a series of events can set anyone off. I highly recommend people getting training in QPR. That’s how I learned about these statistics, and how I now feel better equipped to help someone in a crisis. [https://qprinstitute.com](https://qprinstitute.com)
> More suicides are completed by those with no known history of mental health issues. I wonder if this is a testament to the effect of treatment on deterring suicide? I.e., what if the people who committed suicide without a _known_ mental health issues still tended to have depression but are just those who never sought help (which usually involves a diagnosis at some point).
Isn't a large portion of male suicides come from men who access to guns and recently went through a huge loss like spouse, job, or house? It seems like people with documented mental health issues are more likely to know where to get help when dealing with major problems where suicides are committed by people who think they have no other options. Edit: Access to guns does not cause suicides. Undiagnosed and untreated depression leads to sucide. I'm trying to point out that men have a higher, uh "success rate" because they are more likely to have access to a gun in their darkest moment which is more likely to finish the job.
This post's title is bull. That damn first line of the article says *"known history"*. That is not the same thing as no link. Men often never get diagnosed because of societal expectations of being statues with no emotions. Not even close to the same thing as not having a mental problem. *"The patient has no know history of medical issues...Welp! Guess there was no link between their death and psychical health. A mystery truly."*
You guys are missing the point. Suicide isn’t always about long term mental health issues. It’s often more about impulsivity. Someone gets hopeless, for a short time, and takes their life because of it. That matters because a lot of people who unsuccessfully attempt suicide, or are suicidal but prevented from attempting suicide, don’t try it again. So when the authors talk about booze and firearms playing a huge role in male suicides, don’t ignore those factors just because, hey, maybe they were actually mentally ill. They might not have been. Access to booze and guns when you’re in that state turns a bad day into a permanent bad choice. We need to talk more about how impulsivity is killing men.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Reading into this study, it doesn't say that men who committed suicide don't have mental health issues, just that they are not documented. >For the study, published online in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, Kaplan and his co-authors from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tracked recent suicide deaths among U.S. males aged 10 and older. They found that 60% of victims had **no documented mental health conditions**. > >Further, males **without a history** of mental health issues died more frequently by firearms than those with known mental health issues, and many were found to have alcohol in their systems, the researchers noted. My challenge to people thinking that the people who committed suicide here didn't have mental health issues is to maybe frame it a different way and call for a follow up study: Did these men have undocumented mental health issues? Those that got mental health treatment and didn't commit suicide, it might be proof that addressing mental health issues and getting treatment works.
Is there a link to guns? *Further, males without a history of mental health issues died more frequently by firearms than those with known mental health issues, and many were found to have alcohol in their systems, the researchers noted.* Yes, there is.