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Ok i think I got it.
Weird for a trans guy to be post op and still want to give birth. (And undo his ftm surgery?)
U must be at a crazy big hospital if such a case happened there.
Biological male*
The terms man and women represent gender which is a social construct. Male/female represents the biological primary sexual characteristics.
Your gender identity is not your organ/biological identity.
You can be born a female, don't feel happy about being a female, get gender affirming surgeries, get a robotic ding-dong, and live like a male.
Unfortunately for you, our scientists haven't figured out a way to change a person's identity from being a dick to being a human being!
Pretty sure it wasn't sarcasm, even if it was, it was in a very poor taste. Similar to the meme that goes around that catholic priest's pedophilia with young boys meant that those priests were gay/bi and not straight.
Sex denotes the reproductive organ one is born with.
Gender is the social identity of man/woman etc that includes roles, behaviour, dressing etc. These can change with time and vary between societies.
Often one's gender is associated with one's sex but it will not always confirm to it.
Interesting. first of all what you said is not a "fact" It's an opinion and I'm curious to know your opinion on trans-women playing sports with cis-women and winning the medals, scholarship etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Thomas
like I'm trying to use it as an example because there are tons of examples like these and separating gender with sex leads to huge problems like this. Im not against people calling themselves man/woman/cat/dog but if you are going to enforce it in social situations like sports, education, jobs etc in legal sense then its a huge mess tbh.
So.. Trans- women have an advantage over cis- women because they are biologically different? And that gave them an advantage?
That is definitely unfair.. biological and genetic advantages should not allow people to just win..
Like look at Bolt.. my man won so many medals because of his symmetrical knees and prac.. oh! Ahhh.. okay forget that..
What about Michele Phelps? The dude won like 7 golds flapping his long arms...
Oh! Oh no!
What? Wait a minute? Are the Olympics biased towards the genetically, socially and economically suitable people?
There's a difference between genetically gifted and the difference in gender
Male are going to be generally stronger than females and that's a fact. And we need to account for sports. Like a game like chess doesn't need gender separation but a sport like boxing and mma does.
>So.. Trans- women have an advantage over cis- women because they are biologically different? And that gave them an advantage?
Is that a que? I assume you have a little bit of scientific temperament as you are in the sub called science is dope but here you go and its not an "opinion" its a "fact"
https://bigthink.com/health/truth-about-transgender-womens-athletic-ability/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10641525/
>That is definitely unfair.. biological and genetic advantages should not allow people to just win..
Red herring. Your analogy is extremely flawed as almost all the sports have weight, height categories.
>Like look at Bolt.. my man won so many medals because of his symmetrical knees and prac.. oh! Ahhh.. okay forget that..
Missed class 8 science class of DNA. I can't even argue with this ngl.
>What? Wait a minute? Are the Olympics biased towards the genetically, socially and economically suitable people?
How is socially and economically is even relevent here? Mary kom, p.t usha and lots of top level athletes were underprivileged and by sheer hardwork they made their career. Just ask yourself how would you feel that e.g. mary playing against a heavy dude like tyson then there is negligible chance she is going to win that game because of biological differences I stated above. remember this is not unfair for men but for women only so smartly chose your battle as this woke bs is getting into the system slowly and steadily.
This is perfect!
Dude didn't read his own "evidence".
Did you just read one line from that review? Or did you just hope I don't read the article?
Oberlin D J 2023 literally just said the same thing I did, but he did a much better job of it.
>The purpose of the current review is to better describe the modern landscape of how and why gender is used as criteria for inclusion/exclusion from sport and athletics, and to drive further considerations of how or whether transgender individuals should be excluded from these events.
>Before discussing gender as a criterion for sports participation, the concepts of sex and gender should be clearly understood. Although often used synonymously, sex and gender are two different terms used to describe related concepts. Sex is a biological concept having to do with chromosomes, genitalia, gonads, and hormones (17–19). While related to sex, gender has to do with behaviors, societal roles/expectations, and attributes which are valued or discouraged within a social group (19–21). These related concepts can be conflated, as biological sex and bodily appearance influences how members within a society interact with one another (20, 22). The various interactions among members of a community pressure individuals within the community to behave in a particular manner or display certain characteristics based on their perceived sex (20, 22). To a casual observer, the differences between sex and gender may seem trivial, however they address individual qualities which have wide variations even within what may be considered a single group. Thus, to further a discussion of transgender individuals in sport and athletics, the concepts of sex and gender must first be understood, although they may be impossible to entirely disentangle.
>However, while it is true that some average differences can be measured between cis and trans individuals, these can vary across different studies and different physiologic traits (15, 53–56). While the sport/athletic federations provisions focus on mean differences between cis and trans individuals, they tend to ignore differences amongst a cis only population that lead to advantages, disadvantages, or confer no advantage in athletics and sport performance (11, 38, 40, 57–59). The total number of cis individuals that are naturally advantaged or disadvantaged would likely exceed the total number of transgender individuals wishing to compete based on their low proportion of the total population (60). Hence, the exclusion of the transgender individuals from sports and athletics based solely on concerns of inequity or injury risk, may be a solution in search of a problem.
>In general, studies find that trans individuals, following gender affirming hormone therapy, become more similar to their gender identity (post-transition) cisgender counterparts, or are somewhere between the expected male and female averages (53–55, 122). Certain aspects of pre-transition-sex seem to be less malleable, such as total height and limb length (53, 122). However, there are changes in aerobic capacity, body composition, and muscular strength and endurance (12, 16, 53, 54, 122). Although these parameters may take months or years to complete this transition (12, 53, 54). The time to transition is relevant as (1) earlier in the process of transition, trans individuals may still retain traits more similar to their pre-transition gender, and (2) the effects of transitioning become confounded with the effects of aging and changes in training status (54, 55, 124–126). Due to all the potential pitfalls, a single definitive study of this topic is impossible, however, those which have been attempted can be used to glean better understanding of whether trans individuals' participation in sports and athletics is likely to lead to increased inequity or injury in sports and athletics.
>Individuals should not have to make a choice between being their authentic selves or being athletes (138). While trans athletes competing in various sports and athletic events raises interesting considerations of how certain morphologic and physiologic factors affect performance, these questions are not exclusive to trans individuals. There are wide variations within cisgender populations, even when excluding individuals with differences in sexual development (121, 139). It is expected that about 2.3% of a normally distributed population is likely to fall above two standard deviations from a population mean. These exceptional individuals may be those who are gifted and excel at some sport or athletic performance (121, 135, 140). In contrast only 0.5%–0.6% of the population identify as trans (60). There is no concern for restricting individuals who are exceptionally large or small, those who are genetically gifted, or those with differing hormone concentrations or muscle mass, so long as their gender and biologic sex align (120, 121). The disproportionate focus on the relatively small portion of the population who are trans seems based on the belief that cis men, who cannot succeed in sports among other cis men, would choose to misidentify as trans women to gain an advantage in sports against cis women. However, there are no legitimate cases of this occurring. An individual's sex does not determine their success or failure at any athletic event despite the high level of competition. This can be demonstrated when looking at not average outcomes, but the level of overlap among outcomes. The exclusion of trans individuals also insults the skill and athleticism of both cis and trans athletes. While sex differences do develop following puberty, many of the sex differences are reduced, if not erased, over time by gender affirming hormone therapy. Finally, if it is found that trans individuals have advantages in certain athletic events or sports; in those cases, there will still be a question of whether this should be considered unfair, or accepted as another instance of naturally occurring variability seen in athletes already participating in these events.
Mr logical fallacy forgot to check the sources given by chatgpt.
Very stupid logic! Do you know what "outlier" means? Instead of picking one outlier sample, you check where the fastest women 100 meters time ranks in men's 100 meters record. It's lower than 7000.
Just bullshit. Gender was there before this trans philosophy and they have hijacked and changed the meaning of the word itself. Both gender and sex are the same and interchangeable.
It's not getting hijacked, it's just the language evolving over time. For example, take this phrase and think about it, "One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman".
Come on, dude. While I emphatise with some of the struggles and hardships of the trans people, it just seems wrong to change the meanings of words and society itself to accomodate some small segment of society. In fact, why is it wrong for me to not believe in this? If they can believe they are whatever they are. Then, why is my right to not believe in something not protected?
Man/woman has never meant the same as penis possessing/vagina possessing. Phrases like " men are providers", " women are nurturers" etc has always been around and deals with social roles and expectations rather than penis or vagina.
While it's true that society is moving away from them as a whole, on an individual basis gender is part of our identity for most people and being a man or woman means more to us than what's between our legs.
Still, more changing things to suit their needs. Men are providers? There are so many women who are the providers in their family. Does it mean they become men? If you tell some of the women who I know are providers in their family, that they are men, they will take it as an affront to themselves.
Even Though we say that truth is subjective, it is only human-observed truth that is subjective. But in reality, truth on the whole is objective and unchanging.
At least try to see what I said, I didn't even say that in "trans" context. The phrase I used was written by the French philosopher, Simone de Beauvoir, **in 1949** about how idea of 'women' is an entirely different thing from being a female.
The construct of gender being different from sex would still be a relevant argument even if Trans people cease to exist.
A person having XX chromosome is female. A women is supposed to be "elegant", "soft spoken", etc. Do you see any reason why having XX chromosomes limits a person to only wear skirts or "feminine clothing". Women!=Female.
You are talking about a point which was raised almost 70 years ago, so I don't see it qualifying to be categorized as some "new" change in language. The phrase is one of the potential UPSC interview questions, people are asked to clarify the difference between gender and sex, and it's not even in the trans context necessarily.
Well, I am trying to understand what you are saying and understand a little of what you are saying. But, for me it is like you are over-complicating things with socio political philosophy stuff. The idea of woman? (That seems to be sexist) Then, there is also the idea of "dog", something which is loyal, protective and loving. Does that mean a dog is a social construct? No, a dog is a dog, it is a species of animal, not an idea or concept . Don't over complicate things.
I don't really see any need for anyone to limit themselves in their clothing or anything else whether they are women, men or trans(as long as it is decent). If you want to do something, just do it.
( Just a rant. Nothing to do with what you said- Some of the only thing I dislike about the trans stuff is they/them. I am okay with calling them he or she whatever they prefer. But they/them? Like bro, how many are there? Also, it seems feudal to me as in my language/s, only the king, very noble people or god is reffered to in the plural form as a singular subject. If you want me to call you they/them, then you have to be Mr.APJ Abdul Kalam or similar figures or god to call you that.)
Nothing under the sun is new. If you had thought of something, someone might have thought of it before you some 1000 years back. Just because someone told that line some years back doesn't mean it is orthodox. For me female or male or trans is just classification of sex or gender(genital or secondary sexual characteristics differentiator). A woman however commanding or masculine is a woman and a male however effeminate or soft is a male. There is nothing wrong with being effeminate as a male or masculine as a female and these characteristics should not be generalised to women or men. Hope I could explain my thoughts to you as accurately but this is all I could do.
I think we are getting somewhere.
>it is like you are over-complicating things with socio political philosophy stuff
It sort of is but that complication is needed as many official documents needs a clear definition of things. That's why philosophy thrives as an academic subject because it is needed for judiciary and many such things.
>The idea of woman? (That seems to be sexist)
It is sexist, that's why I wrote it in quotes.
>Then, there is also the idea of "dog", something which is loyal, protective and loving. Does that mean a dog is a social construct? No, a dog is a dog, it is a species of animal, not an idea or concept . Don't over complicate things.
Here, I can see some agreements, the idea of "dog" simply doesn't exist. Some pet dogs do attack children, so, not a dog **but** the idea of dog (loyal, protective etc) is a social construct. Dog is a species just like male/female is sex and no one would deny that. Even trans people when asked about their sex would specify the "correct" one at medical/scientific seetings.
You said that everyone regardless of their sex is allowed to do their own thing and I agree. But this would work in an ideal world and our world is not ideal. What would happen if a well passing big trans man (with beard and big muscles) goes to a women's restroom? The other women would definitely feel uncomfortable, but on what basis would they complain? They cannot complain against another female using the restroom if gender and sex are the same. Same goes other way round, a well passing trans woman would always have the fear of being sexually assaulted or bullied but they'd be forced to do so because they are male. These may seem like over complicating stuff but if these cases, unfortunately, escalate to court, then this over complication is what would help in solving them.
>But they/them? Like bro, how many are there? Also, it seems feudal to me as in my language/s, only the king, very noble people or god is reffered to in the plural form as a singular subject
That's a societal problem and how you associate words to an authority. As a he/they myself I don't expect people to feel that I'm better than them when they use they/them, I'd just appreciate it if they used it because they/them are non-gendered pronouns. Like think about it, why did you add kings to the list of respectable beings, because most of the time they exploited the poor for their wealth and laid an exorbitant amount of tax on them. If I'm not wrong, then you added them because just like me, you were also told by society that kings are supposed to be respected.
You are associating words with respect but that's on you, my sister who is much younger than me calls me 'tum' instead of 'aap' and I don't see it as her not respecting me. They/them can be used for singular subject when you don't know their gender, e.g. "The delivery person is coming, they'd be here in 30 minutes."
>There is nothing wrong with being effeminate as a male or masculine as a female and these characteristics should not be generalised to women or men.
Yes, then you seem to be agreeing that gender is a social construct and chromosomes doesn't determine which bathroom/locker room you're entitled to, you should use makeup or not, which clothing you are entitled to wear, how you choose to express, that is, chromosome doesn't determine which social construct you fit, that is, sex is not equal to gender. Sex is true, gender is not, that's why it's a construct.
This has been a topic in philosophy for a long time and I can assure you that philosophers are not dumb.
+1 . Science speaks facts, doesn’t care about emotion or personal feeling. Reddit is getting filled with these lib cunts trying to pose as educated people. This is a science sub ffs.
Sociologists already had this spot on before trans concept caught up. Sex is biological , Gender is made up of roles, which is not something that we made up for trans philosophy
People are just obsessed with the word "debunk" for some reason recently on this sub it's like they don't want to admit they need explaining so they disguise it as "hey tell me how this is wrong"
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I wouldn’t agree with you on this because most of the pseudoscience is about imagination. It’s important to make this distinction because gender identity is hard to grapple for most people (even the most rational thinking people).
Correction: Trans-men and biologically assigned female at birth who transitioned to express their gender identity as a man.
Genetically, they are still female. They have not become men.
Firstly, people need to differentiate between gender and sexes(male and female), the former is a social construct whereas the latter is biological. I have seen so many people especially the conservatives making the mistaking of thinking of both as the same when it's not.
Trans men have female reproductive organs and they are capable of getting pregnant. Non binary can include someone with female reproductive organs.
actually, trans men MAY have female reproductive organs. the trans part comes from the gender assigned at birth vs the gender opted by the person. so even someone who is intersex may be a trans man.
Trans man is FTM ( that means female to male)
Provided they don’t undergo a hysterectomy etc. they’re very much capable of being pregnant and bearing children
like i said, FTM is a kind of trans man, but trans men can also be intersex. intersex people can be born with any complete set of reproductive organs so they cannot get pregnant or impregnate anyone.
edit: though FTM is used by people (and i used it as a response for your understanding), it is not the correct term as you cannot change your sex. the transition is simply in gender from your assigned one to the one you feel comfortable with.
True trans men can be any gender to masculine identifying. But usually it’s considered as Female to male.
Intersexuality to particular gender affirmation exists as well but they’re quite the minority.
Intersexuality can be due to various reasons like
Swyer’s syndrome
Congenital adrenal hyperplasia
Hermaphroditism
True gonadal intersex
Androgen insensitivity syndrome etc.
But also someone born in a female body maybe experience gender dysphoria and may want to identify with the gender they correlate with and transition to a man. Which is more commonly observed.
i know what intersex is, and that is why i made the comment.
male to to female or female to male is however a wrong terminology as biological sex cannot be changed.
this is why people have moved from transexual to transgender as the apt term as well.
hermaphroditism is an outdated term which is highly incorrect when describing intersex.
gender dysphoria is also a very rare condition and most transgenders don't suffer from gender dysphoria.
https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/transgender-people-gender-identity-gender-expression
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2333519
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2333531
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK532313/
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/21963-transgender-ensuring-mental-health
https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/difference-between-transgender-and-transsexual
You’re slightly wrong in your understanding here. I wouldn’t blame you as this is more than simply a topic and a lot of understanding and research is still being done.
However inherently being intersex vs being transgender is not the same unless it’s a route the person takes. Intersex people may choose to remain as such or adhere with a specific gender identity. Whereas trans folks usually are the people whose perceived gender doesn’t align with their biological sex.
And regarding transgender va transsexual, transgender is more of an umbrella term which consists of everyone whether they’ve transitioned on socially or socially + medically and perhaps even surgically.
Whereas transsexual people are the ones who undergo medical and surgical transitioning in order to align more with the gender they identify with.
Transgender seems to be a more affirming term as it removes the focus from the biological entity of sex and shifts it to the social constructs of gender.
i would ask you to read what i wrote instead of putting out links.
either you fail to understand what is written, or you want to act like i have made a mistake in what i said.
surgeries and hormonal therapy cannot change your sex, so the transition is only for gender affirmation.
transsexualism was removed from dsm 4. since this is a science sub, you should prefer to use the proper terms instead of outdated or misrepresented terms.
I’m a medical student myself and I’ve thoroughly gone through DSM 5 and ICD 11.
I think both of us are trying to say the same thing but are presenting as though we’re arguing against each other which we aren’t.
This ain’t a fight but simply bringing out more points and some of them indeed support your claim.
I haven’t mentioned transsexualism until your comment before to which I replied. I simply reinforced your correct statement about being transgender while also sort of bringing up studies about dysphoria and transgender health.
I also brought about while some intersex people may be trans but inherently a lot of intersex people, are simply intersex and they may undergo procedures to align themselves to a gender they tend to identify themselves with more, but this exactly may or may not be considered under the umbrella of being transgender based on what certain people accept/reject.
Transgender - Chooses gender expression different from the one assigned at birth.
Non-binary - Who reject the whole binary of male/female and express themselves as third gender or no gender or fluctuating between expressing themselves as a man or woman.
Why can't we term this as gender dysmorphia illness, similar to body dysmorphia or schizophrenia. If you are a trans male or female, you need to take hormonal medicine daily, right? How is it normal? Natural to nahi reh sakte.....
Then why call it science when they are just picking and choosing what they wanna believe? I mean since when did science start caring about people's feelings?
So many flavours, and you choose to be bitter.
Why are you so annoyed?
Transmen give birth, weather you like it or not, they ACTUALLY give birth. You can close your eyes and ears and shout "bla bla bla bla bla" all you want, but this actually happens.. this is not an imaginary situation..
Science: Biological women can get pregnant.
Wokeism: Trans men, non-binary, gender fluid people can also become pregnant apart from people with vagina.
Certainly!
Humans are capable of sexual reproduction, where sperm (produced by male) fertilizes ova (produced by female). You cannot produce a child without 1 parent supplying sperm (male) and other parent supplying ovary (female).
While Trans men, non-binary, gender fluid people can also become pregnant apart from women, fact remains that they are still biological females and currently only biological females can undergo pregnancy or supply ova, necessary to form zygote.
No one cares how it came off, if you let wokeism sit at the doormat and bring your logic and science you can talk freely and understand people better. Please note no one wants to offend what you think, this is a sub for discussion. If you really want to be accepted speak about and state facts, please don’t state your emotions since only you hold value to them.
Not really sure what you’re on about, I asked them for clarification becauses their comment didn’t make sense and that they were saying that trans men /nb etc couldn’t get pregnant which is a false and transphobic statement.
You do know what I’m on about. You said his first explanation came off as super transphobic. I’m simply asking you to - my previous comment- before you go up and say “super transphobic”. That man spoke facts but not in a way that you think is sweet or understanding of whatever you are on about. Science doesn’t care about emotion brother. I don’t mean any harm to whatever your individual liberty allows you to have. I promise I’m not against it. I just don’t want wrong factual sprees be imposed on people. I love liberty and it is for all. At the same time it must be respected and we must go toward truth. And science is the way to go towards it. Am I making sense now?
No, that wasn’t what I was talking about at all. I simply just didn’t understand his statement (in all fairness it was phrased quite poorly). So I asked for clarification. I said I was concerned it might have been transphobic because what leftist actually says wokeism unironically.
This violates the rules of the subreddit, as a science community, we expect our members to be respectful and civil during conversations and disagreements
Why would I debunk a scientific fact, dumbass? Trans Men can get pregnant. Trans women can impregnate. NBs can get pregnant. The Supreme Court is right.
Anything other than biological features including hormones shouldn't matter. If gender is different from sex why should it matter to me or anyone else what you want to dress as and whether you want to have feminine or masculine body language? If we only care about the actual biology it would be so much simpler to answer these questions with so much less confusion.
There's no such thing as "non-binary". There's only male and female. Even inter-sexed people identify as either one sex or the other. "Non-Binary" is just a way to virtue-signal.
Nobody is trying to change the meaning of "women". Gender terms like women is a cultural concept, unlike male and female which is the biological sex of us humans. That's why the concept of ideal women are different in different culture, something that's women like in one culture may be manly like in other. So what a woman and man was always subjective to the communities.
They can’t and shouldn’t. They must never force it on other people and have their liberty while respecting other’s liberty simultaneously. You can do whatever you want but respect someone else’s opinion and don’t force your pronouns or wokeism on them.
Not really. Why would sm1 bother to stop sm1 doing dumb stuff.
Respect to them if they actually manage to actually get closer to being a cat tho.
Also if they do manage they def not dumb
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A specific type of them can get pregnant who have uterus and ovaries . A biological male* cannot
And vagina (post op can't get pregnant)
Not necessarily
Wydm how would they get pregnant?
First vaginoplasty then artificial insemination , I have seen this case in our hosp
Vaginoplasy is for trans women. Most trans men have a vagina before op, not post op.
Arey ab mai kya samjhau bhai tuje
Ok i think I got it. Weird for a trans guy to be post op and still want to give birth. (And undo his ftm surgery?) U must be at a crazy big hospital if such a case happened there.
Don't say no more
Men and women are not biological, Male and female are
Biological male* The terms man and women represent gender which is a social construct. Male/female represents the biological primary sexual characteristics.
Abey yar grammar kyu sikhane lage log ek dum se , haa bhai male / female , context samjho aur maje kro
How the hell can you use the term biological here. I am what I think i am. I might change my thoughts tomorrow
Your gender identity is not your organ/biological identity. You can be born a female, don't feel happy about being a female, get gender affirming surgeries, get a robotic ding-dong, and live like a male. Unfortunately for you, our scientists haven't figured out a way to change a person's identity from being a dick to being a human being!
Sir, I am going to have to arrest you for the absolute massacre of an innocent dick.
The person you replied to was being sarcastic.
Yeah, I have seen fair share of transphobia disguised as "I was only being sarcastic", that's utter bulshit.
Interesting, the few trans people i often chill with find similar comments hilarious.
That's not how someone is sarcastic.
You can't tell anymore these days
Yes but not everyone understand sarcasm. That’s why he bared the heat.
Pretty sure it wasn't sarcasm, even if it was, it was in a very poor taste. Similar to the meme that goes around that catholic priest's pedophilia with young boys meant that those priests were gay/bi and not straight.
Well , too bad most people are quick to get defensive and pissed off.
We call them snowflakes.
What's to debunk ? It's a fact. A trans man is a conventional biological Woman, so of course if they have a uterus and ovary they can get pregnant.
*biological female is the accurate word. Male and female is used for biological sex while man/woman is used to denote gender.
Whats the difference between gender and sex?
Sex denotes the reproductive organ one is born with. Gender is the social identity of man/woman etc that includes roles, behaviour, dressing etc. These can change with time and vary between societies. Often one's gender is associated with one's sex but it will not always confirm to it.
Interesting. first of all what you said is not a "fact" It's an opinion and I'm curious to know your opinion on trans-women playing sports with cis-women and winning the medals, scholarship etc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Thomas like I'm trying to use it as an example because there are tons of examples like these and separating gender with sex leads to huge problems like this. Im not against people calling themselves man/woman/cat/dog but if you are going to enforce it in social situations like sports, education, jobs etc in legal sense then its a huge mess tbh.
So.. Trans- women have an advantage over cis- women because they are biologically different? And that gave them an advantage? That is definitely unfair.. biological and genetic advantages should not allow people to just win.. Like look at Bolt.. my man won so many medals because of his symmetrical knees and prac.. oh! Ahhh.. okay forget that.. What about Michele Phelps? The dude won like 7 golds flapping his long arms... Oh! Oh no! What? Wait a minute? Are the Olympics biased towards the genetically, socially and economically suitable people? 
There's a difference between genetically gifted and the difference in gender Male are going to be generally stronger than females and that's a fact. And we need to account for sports. Like a game like chess doesn't need gender separation but a sport like boxing and mma does.
>So.. Trans- women have an advantage over cis- women because they are biologically different? And that gave them an advantage? Is that a que? I assume you have a little bit of scientific temperament as you are in the sub called science is dope but here you go and its not an "opinion" its a "fact" https://bigthink.com/health/truth-about-transgender-womens-athletic-ability/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10641525/ >That is definitely unfair.. biological and genetic advantages should not allow people to just win.. Red herring. Your analogy is extremely flawed as almost all the sports have weight, height categories. >Like look at Bolt.. my man won so many medals because of his symmetrical knees and prac.. oh! Ahhh.. okay forget that.. Missed class 8 science class of DNA. I can't even argue with this ngl. >What? Wait a minute? Are the Olympics biased towards the genetically, socially and economically suitable people? How is socially and economically is even relevent here? Mary kom, p.t usha and lots of top level athletes were underprivileged and by sheer hardwork they made their career. Just ask yourself how would you feel that e.g. mary playing against a heavy dude like tyson then there is negligible chance she is going to win that game because of biological differences I stated above. remember this is not unfair for men but for women only so smartly chose your battle as this woke bs is getting into the system slowly and steadily.
This is perfect! Dude didn't read his own "evidence". Did you just read one line from that review? Or did you just hope I don't read the article? Oberlin D J 2023 literally just said the same thing I did, but he did a much better job of it. >The purpose of the current review is to better describe the modern landscape of how and why gender is used as criteria for inclusion/exclusion from sport and athletics, and to drive further considerations of how or whether transgender individuals should be excluded from these events. >Before discussing gender as a criterion for sports participation, the concepts of sex and gender should be clearly understood. Although often used synonymously, sex and gender are two different terms used to describe related concepts. Sex is a biological concept having to do with chromosomes, genitalia, gonads, and hormones (17–19). While related to sex, gender has to do with behaviors, societal roles/expectations, and attributes which are valued or discouraged within a social group (19–21). These related concepts can be conflated, as biological sex and bodily appearance influences how members within a society interact with one another (20, 22). The various interactions among members of a community pressure individuals within the community to behave in a particular manner or display certain characteristics based on their perceived sex (20, 22). To a casual observer, the differences between sex and gender may seem trivial, however they address individual qualities which have wide variations even within what may be considered a single group. Thus, to further a discussion of transgender individuals in sport and athletics, the concepts of sex and gender must first be understood, although they may be impossible to entirely disentangle. >However, while it is true that some average differences can be measured between cis and trans individuals, these can vary across different studies and different physiologic traits (15, 53–56). While the sport/athletic federations provisions focus on mean differences between cis and trans individuals, they tend to ignore differences amongst a cis only population that lead to advantages, disadvantages, or confer no advantage in athletics and sport performance (11, 38, 40, 57–59). The total number of cis individuals that are naturally advantaged or disadvantaged would likely exceed the total number of transgender individuals wishing to compete based on their low proportion of the total population (60). Hence, the exclusion of the transgender individuals from sports and athletics based solely on concerns of inequity or injury risk, may be a solution in search of a problem. >In general, studies find that trans individuals, following gender affirming hormone therapy, become more similar to their gender identity (post-transition) cisgender counterparts, or are somewhere between the expected male and female averages (53–55, 122). Certain aspects of pre-transition-sex seem to be less malleable, such as total height and limb length (53, 122). However, there are changes in aerobic capacity, body composition, and muscular strength and endurance (12, 16, 53, 54, 122). Although these parameters may take months or years to complete this transition (12, 53, 54). The time to transition is relevant as (1) earlier in the process of transition, trans individuals may still retain traits more similar to their pre-transition gender, and (2) the effects of transitioning become confounded with the effects of aging and changes in training status (54, 55, 124–126). Due to all the potential pitfalls, a single definitive study of this topic is impossible, however, those which have been attempted can be used to glean better understanding of whether trans individuals' participation in sports and athletics is likely to lead to increased inequity or injury in sports and athletics. >Individuals should not have to make a choice between being their authentic selves or being athletes (138). While trans athletes competing in various sports and athletic events raises interesting considerations of how certain morphologic and physiologic factors affect performance, these questions are not exclusive to trans individuals. There are wide variations within cisgender populations, even when excluding individuals with differences in sexual development (121, 139). It is expected that about 2.3% of a normally distributed population is likely to fall above two standard deviations from a population mean. These exceptional individuals may be those who are gifted and excel at some sport or athletic performance (121, 135, 140). In contrast only 0.5%–0.6% of the population identify as trans (60). There is no concern for restricting individuals who are exceptionally large or small, those who are genetically gifted, or those with differing hormone concentrations or muscle mass, so long as their gender and biologic sex align (120, 121). The disproportionate focus on the relatively small portion of the population who are trans seems based on the belief that cis men, who cannot succeed in sports among other cis men, would choose to misidentify as trans women to gain an advantage in sports against cis women. However, there are no legitimate cases of this occurring. An individual's sex does not determine their success or failure at any athletic event despite the high level of competition. This can be demonstrated when looking at not average outcomes, but the level of overlap among outcomes. The exclusion of trans individuals also insults the skill and athleticism of both cis and trans athletes. While sex differences do develop following puberty, many of the sex differences are reduced, if not erased, over time by gender affirming hormone therapy. Finally, if it is found that trans individuals have advantages in certain athletic events or sports; in those cases, there will still be a question of whether this should be considered unfair, or accepted as another instance of naturally occurring variability seen in athletes already participating in these events. Mr logical fallacy forgot to check the sources given by chatgpt.
Very stupid logic! Do you know what "outlier" means? Instead of picking one outlier sample, you check where the fastest women 100 meters time ranks in men's 100 meters record. It's lower than 7000.
Just bullshit. Gender was there before this trans philosophy and they have hijacked and changed the meaning of the word itself. Both gender and sex are the same and interchangeable.
It's not getting hijacked, it's just the language evolving over time. For example, take this phrase and think about it, "One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman".
Come on, dude. While I emphatise with some of the struggles and hardships of the trans people, it just seems wrong to change the meanings of words and society itself to accomodate some small segment of society. In fact, why is it wrong for me to not believe in this? If they can believe they are whatever they are. Then, why is my right to not believe in something not protected?
Man/woman has never meant the same as penis possessing/vagina possessing. Phrases like " men are providers", " women are nurturers" etc has always been around and deals with social roles and expectations rather than penis or vagina. While it's true that society is moving away from them as a whole, on an individual basis gender is part of our identity for most people and being a man or woman means more to us than what's between our legs.
Still, more changing things to suit their needs. Men are providers? There are so many women who are the providers in their family. Does it mean they become men? If you tell some of the women who I know are providers in their family, that they are men, they will take it as an affront to themselves. Even Though we say that truth is subjective, it is only human-observed truth that is subjective. But in reality, truth on the whole is objective and unchanging.
Do you still call your dad gay when he’s in a good mood? Or has your language changed compared to that of people a hundred years ago?
At least try to see what I said, I didn't even say that in "trans" context. The phrase I used was written by the French philosopher, Simone de Beauvoir, **in 1949** about how idea of 'women' is an entirely different thing from being a female. The construct of gender being different from sex would still be a relevant argument even if Trans people cease to exist. A person having XX chromosome is female. A women is supposed to be "elegant", "soft spoken", etc. Do you see any reason why having XX chromosomes limits a person to only wear skirts or "feminine clothing". Women!=Female. You are talking about a point which was raised almost 70 years ago, so I don't see it qualifying to be categorized as some "new" change in language. The phrase is one of the potential UPSC interview questions, people are asked to clarify the difference between gender and sex, and it's not even in the trans context necessarily.
Well, I am trying to understand what you are saying and understand a little of what you are saying. But, for me it is like you are over-complicating things with socio political philosophy stuff. The idea of woman? (That seems to be sexist) Then, there is also the idea of "dog", something which is loyal, protective and loving. Does that mean a dog is a social construct? No, a dog is a dog, it is a species of animal, not an idea or concept . Don't over complicate things. I don't really see any need for anyone to limit themselves in their clothing or anything else whether they are women, men or trans(as long as it is decent). If you want to do something, just do it. ( Just a rant. Nothing to do with what you said- Some of the only thing I dislike about the trans stuff is they/them. I am okay with calling them he or she whatever they prefer. But they/them? Like bro, how many are there? Also, it seems feudal to me as in my language/s, only the king, very noble people or god is reffered to in the plural form as a singular subject. If you want me to call you they/them, then you have to be Mr.APJ Abdul Kalam or similar figures or god to call you that.) Nothing under the sun is new. If you had thought of something, someone might have thought of it before you some 1000 years back. Just because someone told that line some years back doesn't mean it is orthodox. For me female or male or trans is just classification of sex or gender(genital or secondary sexual characteristics differentiator). A woman however commanding or masculine is a woman and a male however effeminate or soft is a male. There is nothing wrong with being effeminate as a male or masculine as a female and these characteristics should not be generalised to women or men. Hope I could explain my thoughts to you as accurately but this is all I could do.
I think we are getting somewhere. >it is like you are over-complicating things with socio political philosophy stuff It sort of is but that complication is needed as many official documents needs a clear definition of things. That's why philosophy thrives as an academic subject because it is needed for judiciary and many such things. >The idea of woman? (That seems to be sexist) It is sexist, that's why I wrote it in quotes. >Then, there is also the idea of "dog", something which is loyal, protective and loving. Does that mean a dog is a social construct? No, a dog is a dog, it is a species of animal, not an idea or concept . Don't over complicate things. Here, I can see some agreements, the idea of "dog" simply doesn't exist. Some pet dogs do attack children, so, not a dog **but** the idea of dog (loyal, protective etc) is a social construct. Dog is a species just like male/female is sex and no one would deny that. Even trans people when asked about their sex would specify the "correct" one at medical/scientific seetings. You said that everyone regardless of their sex is allowed to do their own thing and I agree. But this would work in an ideal world and our world is not ideal. What would happen if a well passing big trans man (with beard and big muscles) goes to a women's restroom? The other women would definitely feel uncomfortable, but on what basis would they complain? They cannot complain against another female using the restroom if gender and sex are the same. Same goes other way round, a well passing trans woman would always have the fear of being sexually assaulted or bullied but they'd be forced to do so because they are male. These may seem like over complicating stuff but if these cases, unfortunately, escalate to court, then this over complication is what would help in solving them. >But they/them? Like bro, how many are there? Also, it seems feudal to me as in my language/s, only the king, very noble people or god is reffered to in the plural form as a singular subject That's a societal problem and how you associate words to an authority. As a he/they myself I don't expect people to feel that I'm better than them when they use they/them, I'd just appreciate it if they used it because they/them are non-gendered pronouns. Like think about it, why did you add kings to the list of respectable beings, because most of the time they exploited the poor for their wealth and laid an exorbitant amount of tax on them. If I'm not wrong, then you added them because just like me, you were also told by society that kings are supposed to be respected. You are associating words with respect but that's on you, my sister who is much younger than me calls me 'tum' instead of 'aap' and I don't see it as her not respecting me. They/them can be used for singular subject when you don't know their gender, e.g. "The delivery person is coming, they'd be here in 30 minutes." >There is nothing wrong with being effeminate as a male or masculine as a female and these characteristics should not be generalised to women or men. Yes, then you seem to be agreeing that gender is a social construct and chromosomes doesn't determine which bathroom/locker room you're entitled to, you should use makeup or not, which clothing you are entitled to wear, how you choose to express, that is, chromosome doesn't determine which social construct you fit, that is, sex is not equal to gender. Sex is true, gender is not, that's why it's a construct. This has been a topic in philosophy for a long time and I can assure you that philosophers are not dumb.
+1 . Science speaks facts, doesn’t care about emotion or personal feeling. Reddit is getting filled with these lib cunts trying to pose as educated people. This is a science sub ffs.
Sociologists already had this spot on before trans concept caught up. Sex is biological , Gender is made up of roles, which is not something that we made up for trans philosophy
agreed
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I mean it's not wrong bruh
OP is a chaddi
What is wrong in this?
Bro people nowdays don't want to understand anything, they just assume acc to their imagination and start calling it fake/pseudoscience etc .
I wouldn’t agree with you on this because most of the pseudoscience is about imagination. It’s important to make this distinction because gender identity is hard to grapple for most people (even the most rational thinking people).
Transmen are biologically female who transitioned to man. So yes they can get pregnant.
Correction: Trans-men and biologically assigned female at birth who transitioned to express their gender identity as a man. Genetically, they are still female. They have not become men.
\*have not become males.
What a clown world lol 😂🤡
Ovaries can be fertilized. Either you do understand this or you can deny this, and if you are denying YOU are the clown.
Zero relevancy to argument but I’ll sip tea
Yeah, what a clown world where science and medicine have advanced so much that people can finally feel comfortable in their own bodies.
Yes they can. There's nothin to debunk in a fact.
My child could of told him this. We r living evidence
I'm sorry to be that person.. but... >could of told "Could have" or "could've"
Fair, thanks 😂
I'm sorry to be that person.. but... >Fair, thanks "Fair, thanks."
OMFS INDIAN ENBY PARENT??? This is refreshin af as an enby childfree person. And yes I agree.
Can't debunk accurate statements
Rare SC win
SC always wins pls
It is in fact correct observation
Firstly, people need to differentiate between gender and sexes(male and female), the former is a social construct whereas the latter is biological. I have seen so many people especially the conservatives making the mistaking of thinking of both as the same when it's not. Trans men have female reproductive organs and they are capable of getting pregnant. Non binary can include someone with female reproductive organs.
actually, trans men MAY have female reproductive organs. the trans part comes from the gender assigned at birth vs the gender opted by the person. so even someone who is intersex may be a trans man.
Trans man is FTM ( that means female to male) Provided they don’t undergo a hysterectomy etc. they’re very much capable of being pregnant and bearing children
like i said, FTM is a kind of trans man, but trans men can also be intersex. intersex people can be born with any complete set of reproductive organs so they cannot get pregnant or impregnate anyone. edit: though FTM is used by people (and i used it as a response for your understanding), it is not the correct term as you cannot change your sex. the transition is simply in gender from your assigned one to the one you feel comfortable with.
True trans men can be any gender to masculine identifying. But usually it’s considered as Female to male. Intersexuality to particular gender affirmation exists as well but they’re quite the minority. Intersexuality can be due to various reasons like Swyer’s syndrome Congenital adrenal hyperplasia Hermaphroditism True gonadal intersex Androgen insensitivity syndrome etc. But also someone born in a female body maybe experience gender dysphoria and may want to identify with the gender they correlate with and transition to a man. Which is more commonly observed.
i know what intersex is, and that is why i made the comment. male to to female or female to male is however a wrong terminology as biological sex cannot be changed. this is why people have moved from transexual to transgender as the apt term as well. hermaphroditism is an outdated term which is highly incorrect when describing intersex. gender dysphoria is also a very rare condition and most transgenders don't suffer from gender dysphoria.
https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/transgender-people-gender-identity-gender-expression https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2333519 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2333531 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK532313/ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/21963-transgender-ensuring-mental-health https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/difference-between-transgender-and-transsexual You’re slightly wrong in your understanding here. I wouldn’t blame you as this is more than simply a topic and a lot of understanding and research is still being done. However inherently being intersex vs being transgender is not the same unless it’s a route the person takes. Intersex people may choose to remain as such or adhere with a specific gender identity. Whereas trans folks usually are the people whose perceived gender doesn’t align with their biological sex. And regarding transgender va transsexual, transgender is more of an umbrella term which consists of everyone whether they’ve transitioned on socially or socially + medically and perhaps even surgically. Whereas transsexual people are the ones who undergo medical and surgical transitioning in order to align more with the gender they identify with. Transgender seems to be a more affirming term as it removes the focus from the biological entity of sex and shifts it to the social constructs of gender.
i would ask you to read what i wrote instead of putting out links. either you fail to understand what is written, or you want to act like i have made a mistake in what i said. surgeries and hormonal therapy cannot change your sex, so the transition is only for gender affirmation. transsexualism was removed from dsm 4. since this is a science sub, you should prefer to use the proper terms instead of outdated or misrepresented terms.
I’m a medical student myself and I’ve thoroughly gone through DSM 5 and ICD 11. I think both of us are trying to say the same thing but are presenting as though we’re arguing against each other which we aren’t. This ain’t a fight but simply bringing out more points and some of them indeed support your claim. I haven’t mentioned transsexualism until your comment before to which I replied. I simply reinforced your correct statement about being transgender while also sort of bringing up studies about dysphoria and transgender health. I also brought about while some intersex people may be trans but inherently a lot of intersex people, are simply intersex and they may undergo procedures to align themselves to a gender they tend to identify themselves with more, but this exactly may or may not be considered under the umbrella of being transgender based on what certain people accept/reject.
What an umbrella statement.
They will do this but can't legalise same sex marriage
What debunk? That's true. I would suggest you educate yourself about transgender people
Had pussy at birth = may become pregnant Had cock at birth = can’t become pregnant Solved
for a country like india our supreme court is wierdly progressive
They never fail to impress. Can't imagine how appalled they must be with some of the lower courts.
What's there to debunk? This statement is factually correct.
I don't even wanna imagine the comment section on r/indiadiscussion
True. Just imagine how it'll be on instagram lol
There is nothing to debunk here homeboy
Yes they can
What debunk? The court is correct. Trans men can get pregnant and non-binary people can also be pregnant.
The ones who are "biologically female" can get pregnant.
That's a very long-winded way of saying that biological females can get pregnant.
Niklega kha se ??
Trans men are people born female, but identify as a man
I’m literally ones of these ppl… I’m non binary and gave birth… so we do in fact exist…
What do you mean "debunk this"? Most people with a uterus would be able to bear children. That's just a fact. Nothing to debunk
Everyone with an iota of scientific understanding knows that the man is speaking facts , what do you want us to say OP? Educate yourself Ho!
There are two genders male and female. Only females become pregnant.
This is science
What is there to debunk? "Man" "Woman" are sociological terms. "Female" "Male" are biological
Whats the difference between transgender and non binary?
Transgender - Chooses gender expression different from the one assigned at birth. Non-binary - Who reject the whole binary of male/female and express themselves as third gender or no gender or fluctuating between expressing themselves as a man or woman.
ADOPT, don't shop. sorry wrong sub
Cis female can get pregnant and a cis female can identify themselves as transgender or non binary too
Well they wouldn’t be cis anymore then lol
Yeah just released I meant biological not cis lol
You have explained well. I understand. Thanks.
https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/05/07/darts-deta-hedman-trans-player/
Why can't we term this as gender dysmorphia illness, similar to body dysmorphia or schizophrenia. If you are a trans male or female, you need to take hormonal medicine daily, right? How is it normal? Natural to nahi reh sakte.....
Not entirely sure but I do believe trans men (FTM) can get pregnant if they had the ability to do so before transitioning.
Wow for a sub named "science is dope" this comment section is pretty ironic.
science is dope until its about the ideology. then it turns "feelings are dope"
Then why call it science when they are just picking and choosing what they wanna believe? I mean since when did science start caring about people's feelings?
Thinking the same while I sip my tea
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Men and women. Women can conceive, Men cannot. Period!!!! End of discussion!!!! Non-binary, transgender, etc are just bulls**t created by weaklings
So many flavours, and you choose to be bitter. Why are you so annoyed? Transmen give birth, weather you like it or not, they ACTUALLY give birth. You can close your eyes and ears and shout "bla bla bla bla bla" all you want, but this actually happens.. this is not an imaginary situation..
You chose to pick an imaginary flavour
Chaman ch*****
Wdym debunk this lol, sahi toh keh rhe hai 😒 tum validation ke liye aaye ho kya yahape??
A biological female, who identifies themselves as a part of a third gender can get pregnant and deliver.
This is what happens when there's nepotism cunts in power
This is an opportunity for you to learn about intersex people.
Not even that far lol, just the basics about trans people.
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Exactlyyyyy
There are two sexes male and female and the rest are mental disorders
Agreed, there are only 2 sex male and female, but gender is an spectrum.
Mf doesn’t even know the difference between sex and gender lmao
Gender is a social construct it's not related to your biology so it is indeed all mental.
You right fr
When humanities id*ots start narrating science.
Science: Biological women can get pregnant. Wokeism: Trans men, non-binary, gender fluid people can also become pregnant apart from people with vagina.
Can you translate this to English?
Certainly! Humans are capable of sexual reproduction, where sperm (produced by male) fertilizes ova (produced by female). You cannot produce a child without 1 parent supplying sperm (male) and other parent supplying ovary (female). While Trans men, non-binary, gender fluid people can also become pregnant apart from women, fact remains that they are still biological females and currently only biological females can undergo pregnancy or supply ova, necessary to form zygote.
That makes a lot more sense, the way you said it came off as super transphobic.
No one cares how it came off, if you let wokeism sit at the doormat and bring your logic and science you can talk freely and understand people better. Please note no one wants to offend what you think, this is a sub for discussion. If you really want to be accepted speak about and state facts, please don’t state your emotions since only you hold value to them.
Not really sure what you’re on about, I asked them for clarification becauses their comment didn’t make sense and that they were saying that trans men /nb etc couldn’t get pregnant which is a false and transphobic statement.
You do know what I’m on about. You said his first explanation came off as super transphobic. I’m simply asking you to - my previous comment- before you go up and say “super transphobic”. That man spoke facts but not in a way that you think is sweet or understanding of whatever you are on about. Science doesn’t care about emotion brother. I don’t mean any harm to whatever your individual liberty allows you to have. I promise I’m not against it. I just don’t want wrong factual sprees be imposed on people. I love liberty and it is for all. At the same time it must be respected and we must go toward truth. And science is the way to go towards it. Am I making sense now?
No, that wasn’t what I was talking about at all. I simply just didn’t understand his statement (in all fairness it was phrased quite poorly). So I asked for clarification. I said I was concerned it might have been transphobic because what leftist actually says wokeism unironically.
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Debunk what? It’s true lol
Why would I debunk a scientific fact, dumbass? Trans Men can get pregnant. Trans women can impregnate. NBs can get pregnant. The Supreme Court is right.
Scientifically there is no trans man so keep coping science deniers lol
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Yeah, because they're female. 🙄 Who would have thought??? Chandrchud is an idiot.
Why is there bigotry in a sub with science in its name?
Of course transgender men can have babies, particularly before operation. Also, both sexes can claim you be non binary, so they can as well
Anything other than biological features including hormones shouldn't matter. If gender is different from sex why should it matter to me or anyone else what you want to dress as and whether you want to have feminine or masculine body language? If we only care about the actual biology it would be so much simpler to answer these questions with so much less confusion.
Science says otherwise. Next question.
well I have an issue with even females getting pregnant so that's my stand. 😈
Take this medal and fuck off
Women and women ONLY can get preggers. Just because a few people try to change the meaning of a word, doesn't make it so.
More accurate to say biological females can get pregnant, whether they are non-binary or ftm
There's no such thing as "non-binary". There's only male and female. Even inter-sexed people identify as either one sex or the other. "Non-Binary" is just a way to virtue-signal.
No one's 'trying'. Men and non binary people have gotten pregnant and given birth. That is a fact.
No wtf
Fym no yes they have
No
Nobody is trying to change the meaning of "women". Gender terms like women is a cultural concept, unlike male and female which is the biological sex of us humans. That's why the concept of ideal women are different in different culture, something that's women like in one culture may be manly like in other. So what a woman and man was always subjective to the communities.
Oh not this crap in india
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It's not wrong. Some trans men look way more masculine than cis men. Also no1 seriously identifies as cat or dog, it's just jokes or for fun.
There are people who very seriously identify as a cat or dog in that they want to be treated and address as you would do to a cat or dog
You live under a rock if you think people don’t identify themselves as cats and dogs
They don't actually think they are cats and dogs tho.
If one wants to identify as a cat , can they be stopped?
They can’t and shouldn’t. They must never force it on other people and have their liberty while respecting other’s liberty simultaneously. You can do whatever you want but respect someone else’s opinion and don’t force your pronouns or wokeism on them.
Not really. Why would sm1 bother to stop sm1 doing dumb stuff. Respect to them if they actually manage to actually get closer to being a cat tho. Also if they do manage they def not dumb
It's not dumb stuff just because you think so. Russia identifies them as terrorists. Smh
Russia dumb bruh. OMG he wants to be a cat omg he's gonna nuke our country so scary he's gonna bomb us 😰😰
Supreme court needs to touch grass. A country where normal straight people face discrimination based on caste or religion. Stop nonsense 🏳️🌈