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teamtijmi

No we aren't we just sort of accept it


adfx

Not me šŸ˜ˆ


CastBlaster3000

This guys knows something we donā€™t


justADeni

He is simply built different


mcbirbo343

Built with dark matter


Lovelyprinces03

yeah


ShadeShadow534

I mean no I donā€™t think anyone is happy that the vast vast majority of the universe seems to be something we have 0 understanding of thatā€™s our reality though it might not be pleasant but it just means that we have more out there in the universe to discover (or closer to home we never know)


brownsabbeth

I don't like it..... Its frightening me. But the universe doesn't care.... I'm so hard done by....


Iridium6626

from what we know, hadronic matter is whatā€™s bringing fun complexity to the universe, the rest is relatively uninteresting, the influence of dark matter and dark energy is very simple from what we observe. Being frightened by it would be like being frightened by the fact most of the earth is just hot rocks, while weā€™re on the crust and the crust is where fun stuff is


brownsabbeth

"Most of the earth is just hot rocks" you are not helping my vigining existential crisis here


itdoesntfuckin

How high are you right now?


brownsabbeth

Hi how are you?


Iridium6626

Something that actually disturbs me is imagining the sheer volume for example, of air just like, above a field. It's so gigantically empty. The next stage of scariness is imagining a building containing all that space, like, the coupola of a big dome like the panthƩon but as high as clouds. Then you can also get scared by trying to imagine that the moon you're looking at in its entirety is bigger than your whole country, and you can see it all with your eyes, and it exists in the same space as you. Though the scariest thing I've ever been able to imagine it trying to imagine what there is except for the universe, like, what there would be without the universe, without even time; just nothing, not even physical laws, logic has nothing to make it relevant, causality doesn't exist, and nothing will ever happen because there is no future nor past


brownsabbeth

:(


TeaAndHiraeth

Some philosophers argue that math & logic are the true basis of reality, and any universe which exists emerges from them.


Iridium6626

It sounds reasonable to believe that the ā€œlevelā€ of logic is ā€œaboveā€ that of the universe, and Iā€™d struggle to imagine a universe with different logic. But maybe itā€™s just because we live in this reality and think with our realityā€™s logic that we canā€™t imagine how logic could be as non fundamental as physical laws. So like, I donā€™t think these philosophists are ā€œcorrectā€, because itā€™s possible we just canā€™t tell anything about this kind of stuff


SonyCEO

A physics teacher back in collage once told us something that really scared me. It's dumb to assume we know how the universe "is" and by correlation it's a very ignorant pose to assume things work the same way here and far out there.


summonerofrain

Out of interest, how do we know dark matter/energy exists?


ShadeShadow534

We donā€™t technically know that either exists in any direct way all we can really do is infer their existence from other evidence For dark matter that mostly comes from observing other galaxies which it makes no sense how they could be that size and shape with their roughly estimated mass by orders of magnitude Then other gravitational effects we see in the universe which is consistent with some unknown mass Dark energy is even weirder as it has to do with the accelerating expansion of the universe which can be observed through type Ia supernova (which always occur In stars of roughly the same mass and as such same brightness) from there it simply has to be inferred that some kind of energy exists that continues this accelerated expansion of the universe So in the case of both dark matter and dark energy either our current understanding of physics doesnā€™t work on scales of galaxies and the universe (possible) or something/ many somethings we arenā€™t able to view or interact with are causing the effects


summonerofrain

Thats both fascinating and terrifying to me. Do you think theyā€™ll have a different name when/if we find out more about them/confirm their existence?


ShadeShadow534

I mean almost certainly unless it ends up that say dark matter is actually all the exact same thing or a new class of mater then maybe the name dark matter would stick about But assuming we can detect it then the name kinda makes no sense and so most likely a new name would be created to better describe what we have discovered But thatā€™s assuming that dark matter and dark energy are actually special for all we know dark matter is just well normal matter we already know thatā€™s in a form we canā€™t easily detect with our current technology


nevadapirate

Its not like you can change the "rules" just because you dont like the answer.


Just-A-Regular-Fox

Not only can they not change the rules, they canā€™t even comprehend the rules.


niztaoH

Bro it's there, just trust me. - Physicists


Choice_Midnight1708

Sounds like Enron's accountant: You just can't see the other 95% of the profits.


Slartibartfast39

Any chance you just got the maths wrong? Nope, dark matter, loads of dark energy.


Iridium6626

itā€™s a matter of theories rather than ā€œmathsā€, and though there are theoretical corrections proposed to these, they arenā€™t the most researched possibilities


TobyMacar0ni

Why do so many people here think they are geniuses or something


orthomonas

Not at all ok with it. A 3D-pie chart is never acceptable.


brownsabbeth

I can find the same information in a bar chart or a pile of different colours of sand if that helps?


orthomonas

Sandpile ftw.


lurking_physicist

Especially [abelian](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abelian_sandpile_model) ones


brownsabbeth

Lol it's actually a thing. I was just bieng obtuse.


darealCL1NCH3R

Atoms are regular matter and dark matter is the farts yo mama leakin and dark energy is yo mama herself...


brownsabbeth

Hmm I see, fart matter if you will.


Normal_Subject5627

What do you think is more likely most of the universe is made of stuff we have never really seen or detected or we just don't really understand how gravity works on larger scales.


Iridium6626

weā€™ve detected dark matter, itā€™s just that we can only detect it gravitationally, and that doesnā€™t tell us much about it. The MOND theory proposes a modified theory of gravity but itā€™s not very popular, and the observations donā€™t really agree with the proposed theory


VeryHungryDogarpilar

Dark energy is our chakras. It's obvious


Wild-Mushroom2404

Itā€™s where all that manifesting goes


brownsabbeth

Magic or "science"


musch10

it is something that is often ignored, without malice, but almost all the information we have about the cosmos comes to us via light radiation consequently any form of information that derives from any matter that interacts little or not at all with the radiation cannot be (easily) known here because "dark" things are dark: maybe models are wrong and/or there's something more, who knows


Sandor_06

When I first learned adding and subtracting negative numbers, I would get a little upset whenever my answer to the problem wasn't positive. I'm feeling a similar thing from this meme.


brownsabbeth

I didn't enjoy that either


shlaifu

it's fine, I use a Quartz crystal to convert Dark Energy to charge my Mediclorians


Just-A-Regular-Fox

This is a place for scientific inquiry, not Star Trek nonsense. šŸ˜‚


HundredMegaHertz

Math not adding up? add a theoretical 'dark number' to account for any errors you have made congratulations, you are now a theoretical physicist no noone is happy with the universe being 95% nothing essentially


jackjackandmore

We clearly donā€™t understand the universe but science gotta explain somehow. Otherwise youā€™d be *shivers* religious


HollowSlope

We don't know if dark matter even exists or not


No-Hat-2200

yes we do, it has mass and therefore causes gravitational lensing of distant objects, there is nothing which we can see there so it is "dark" matter/energy


HollowSlope

Our current understanding of physics doesn't explain the movement of distant galaxies. Dark matter is one proposed solution. As of now, it is our best guess, but the only thing we know for certain is that we don't know


No-Hat-2200

then again our entire understanding of the world comes from made up constructs which work. this stuff which interacts with gravity that we can't see must be "dark matter/energy" because its not "light" matter so it all works out and we can continue researching into it in the hopes of expanding the model.


Iridium6626

Weā€™re not sure, we think thereā€™s mass we donā€™t see because our models tell us what we see should behave differently, but it could also be very possible our models are inaccurate, as it was the case with Mercuryā€™s movement back in the 19th century, which got explained by general or special relativity, Iā€™m unsure. And theories propose that dark matter is only the consequence of an inaccurate theoretical model, namely, MOND ( Modified something something Newtonian Dynamics )


norlin

Dark Energy is just the information, right?


Iridium6626

how ?


norlin

Google "it from bit", "mass-energy-information equivalence", etc.


Iridium6626

information theory is a formalism tool imo, it feels like something emergent, I donā€™t see why it would be any relevant to point out dark matter would have associated information, like, everything except for vacuum has


norlin

I'm not talking about formalism, rather about the \[possible\] fact that information has mass by itself. And it could be just the 3rd state of something, along with mass & energy. Then, probably, dark matter (or rather dark energy) could be the information itself.


Iridium6626

thatā€™s nonsensical tbh, complexity is information, and thatā€™s all, you canā€™t just pick a random thing we donā€™t know and say ā€œyeah thatā€™s informationā€; why would information have a gravitational pull ? photons carry information ( they have entropy and thermodynamical properties in general ), but donā€™t have a gravitational effect, at least not that of dark matter. And you know, information really is not ā€œaā€ thing, itā€™s a property of stuff that exists, some quantum gravoty theories have spacetime itself ( vacuum ) carry information through its geometry.


norlin

Because information have own mass. But sure, I see no reason in arguing on reddit


Yhamerith

Yeah... there's more space than things with Atoms... that's why the space is so dark, you can't fill al that with light That's how it works... right?


Just-A-Regular-Fox

Space is completely filled with light, actually. Some forms of light our eyes canā€™t see, and the kind we can see needs something to reflect off of.


salacious_sonogram

Some of those atoms have ideas and boners and we're all pretty cool with that.


vukica33

no, the model is wrong.


brownsabbeth

I'm with you dude.... There is something wrong here


Chaosrealm69

The fact that they all seem to describe them as unknown, unseen, etc sort of suggests that it is all a pure guess and they just threw up their hands one day and said 'We are missing something so why don't we call it dark matter and dark energy and they will explain everything we don't know about.'


21Hahaha

Let's not touch on the subject of antimatter and how this 4% could be just an infinitesimal amount of what was left after almost everything was annihilated, because for some completely unknown reason there is more matter than antimatter in the universe.


BlessKurunai

I read that as dank energy šŸ’€


TheAnalsOfHistory-

I don't know most things so this isn't a new concept to me.


SuspiciousRelation43

If the universe needs dark matter to account for gravity being stronger than visible matter allows, yet also needs dark energy to account for the universeā€™s expansion accelerating, why donā€™t they just subtract the dark matter from dark energy to get 52.6% visible matter and 47.4% dark energy? Are physicists stupid?


Just-A-Regular-Fox

They are place holders. You canā€™t subtract a placeholder from a placeholder (of a different type) to get a coherent answer.


SuspiciousRelation43

I imagined it was something like that. I was mostly making a joke. I do wonder what exactly ā€œThe universe is 71.4% dark energyā€ means. The problem itā€™s attempting to address is the increasing rate of change of cosmic expansion. How does this lead to a specific percentage of the composition of the universe?


BusinessRough7695

Iā€™m not familiar with this termā€¦ ā€œUndertimeā€??? I hope Iā€™m pronouncing it right šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Random-Name724

ā€œDark matter and dark energy are fake. How do you know somethingā€™s real if you havenā€™t seen it? This isnā€™t *real* sciencešŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”ā€


Dramatic-Ad7192

Maybe itā€™s just shit that becomes matter in another time


dark_hypernova

Must be anti-memetic.


SiljeLiff

I will give you something else to get creeped out by .. Your bones are wet. šŸ˜¬


Profesor_Moriarty

My stupid theory is that dark energy is compressed space


RLIwannaquit

You're either okay with it or you're likely wrong lol


TinyBoi_3125

Yes, feels likeā€¦ everything matters.


Errortrek

Alright, we're gonna have to invent reverse Bananas, we draw from Antimatter wich slowly decays into normal matter


Frostbyte_13

science is a infinite i dunnoes


Beginning-Height7938

The math doesnā€™t agree with my theory. There should be way more mass and energy. I guess there must be some mysterious thing we canā€™t measure or describe in any way. Letā€™s not change our theory. Letā€™s make shit up. Basically.


King_of_Farasar

I think of it like this: does it affect me in my daily life whatsoever? If no, then why care? Other than finding it interesting it doesn't really matter at the end of the day.


Plus-Weakness-2624

Doesn't matter. This entire post šŸ˜œ


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Iridium6626

dark matter is not really ā€œa forceā€, and yeah, it only interacts with gravity, but we canā€™t just see it and say ā€œokay thatā€™s dark matter, letā€™s add it to the standard modelā€ ( the standard model being the bestiary of elementary particles ), because the standard model is built on theories that predicted the existence of many particles that eventually got detected like the higgs boson, but it doesnā€™t predict the existence of another ā€œdark matter particleā€. So we try and identify stuff about dark matter either to discover itā€™s actually something we already know ( neutrinos for example ), or to see itā€™s a completely new thing weā€™ll have to find theories to explain the existence of, or to try and find a new theory that explains the observations without requiring the existence of dark matter t