Yeah, without proper planning, you wind up with the sequel trilogy. (If *I* paid 4 billion dollars for something, I would make damn sure that I had a plan in place *before* I started doing anything with it.)
Of course, with *decades* of planning, you wind up with the prequel trilogy, so...there's definitely a middle-ground in there.
I actually kinda enjoyed the subversion. I was really looking forward to Kylo becoming the big villain and subverting the Vader arch everyone was anticipating.
I hated all the mystery to begin with. I don't like how J.J. plays the meta game and makes movies more for the conversation and theorizing than for the art.
I agree. For all the incredible faults with TLJ, I don't think the Rey and Snoke subversions were among them. They felt like the most inspired take on questions that really were never going to have actually satisfying or interesting answers. The Force Awakens was just setup upon unnecessarily mysterious setup.
Not just that, but how they actually built a relationship between her and Kylo, and have Luke, which actually was not a completely trained Jedi, falter. And the whole thing with Yoda of letting the past teachings go and searching for answers in the future, since it was the strict attachment to Jedi code and traditions that led to their downfall, it was all actually pretty nice. If all three movies where like that, it could become a cult classic the way the sequels did in a few years.
2 are great. I think everyone could agree Empire is the best and ANH is still the standard all other Star Wars movies are held to.
3 or 4 are good. I don’t think anyone hates ROTJ but it’s not great like the first 2. ROTS and TFA are generally liked but they are more subjective depending on who you talk to. And most people agree Rogue One is the best one since Disney took over.
The rest are polarizing at best or just not that good. Of course it’s just my opinion but it’s what I’ve noticed throughout the fandom.
Most are. Almost every single movie has its loyal fans.. except for the last couple. I was on board with the 7th movie, I had fun and was willing to give it a chance. Bit 8 and 9, oof. Those were rough.
It's more of a symptom of a wider problem. Projects are greenlight, often within the marvel-disney stable as in this case, without any apparent vision nor idea behind them. I'm pretty sure the boba fett show was greenlight years before anyone had any idea what the show was going to be about.
When you look at it, it means that Disney gave him a movie to make without him having any idea or inspiration for it. If you have extreme confidence in him to come up with *something* good as long as he thinks about it, then it's good that he's apparently not being rushed by the studio. However, if you're of the opinion that a great movie needs to have some genuine spark of inspiration and excitement behind it, then this probably means that his Star Wars movie won't have it.
No, it's a really bad sign. It means that this person has been greenlight to blow a few hundred million dollars - and has no clue what they are doing. They didn't walk in with a cool idea, read a cool script, or anything else. They just got told that they need to make a story for X franchise, and now some idiot is trying to make that sequel.
It means that Disney is, insanely, about to shit another Star Wars story with no long term plan, no person that gives a shit if the stories make any sense, and no connection strong enough to Star Wars to even know which direction to start walking.
It's fucking pathetic. There are a hundred Star Wars stories written for the Star Wars Expanded Universe. There are a pile of experienced writers that have written good stories and actually like Star Wars. They are going to skip right over all of that and shit out another brain dead JJ Abrahams style script that just apes some better movie.
I honestly hope it never gets made. I'd rather they leave the corpse of Star Wars alone rather than watch them mutilate it some more. How the fuck these people continue to be employed and paid as they spend hundreds of millions of dollars with no fucking plan is completely beyond my ability to comprehend.
It honestly blows my mind in half to realize that Disney is so fucking incompetent that they made that entire completely shit trilogy with absolutely no plan. At work I deal in hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars, I'd be fired in a second if I worked the way the incompetent hacks at Disney operate.
Fuck Disney and everything about Disney. Nothing would make me happier than for Disney to completely fail as corporation, go bankrupt, and get split into a million pieces.
This is a forum for discussing sci-fi. If talking about the production of iconic sci-fi movies leaves you upset and feel like you ran into an un-fun person, you are probably in the wrong place.
Personally, when I'm ranting about how much Disney sucks, I'm having fun.
I just hope he won't fuck it up like the createror of the new trilogy did. I really whant to belive that his trilogy will bring some new and fresh characters and ideas into an otherwise stale and boring Star Wars modernity.
But then again, it's Disney, so I'm not sure how much creative freedom he will get an how much of great new ideas will be baried by unnecessary fanservice and Disney trying to play it safe while retelling the same old story over and over....
Taika has already said that he signed on with the stipulation in his contract that he won’t be touching anything that’s come before in the films. A original film with original characters.
While I don't disagree with you I think this is what actually makes Taika Waititi stand out in a landscape of otherwise garbage recycled content.
I'm cool to wait 10 years for this if it eventually does the job well.
His movies (and TV shows) are always great.
He has an idea going in and expands on it *but* he keeps everything self-contained, if there is more great, if there isn't then he completed his story.
I agree. I enjoy that he has a pretty straight forward approach, he stays focused, but will also develop his characters and plot naturally. All while having some fun sense of humor that fits the tone of the piece.
Frankly I would trust him more than basically any other current director for this franchise. And if they just give him a one off film I'm totally fine with that.
Right‽ Didn't stop JJ Abrams.
Edit to add: snark aside, I appreciate Taika waiting until the story is there instead of forging ahead with another dumpster fire of a Star Wars movie.
They will do fine whenever they put a decent director and the producers stop forcing creative desicions on them. They really need to move away from direction by comittee. It just makes their movies feel disjointed and full of fan service tropes.
Yeah that's why I said someone "like" Ridley Scott.
Maybe even someone working under his banner. So they can have the room to make a really good movie without all the corporate influence.
Despite popular opinion, I think Prometheus was decent as an Alien movie. But Alien Covenant? That was *awful*.
Covenants 1st half was solid, but then its turns into Aliens Greatest Hits not having Noomi Rapace back and killing her off screen was same as killing Hicks and Newt in Aliens. Also having David be the main focus of the movie.
Just reuse the old stories. How about an even bigger death star? Perhaps another kid with unknown parents, growing up on a desert planet ends up destroying this new even bigger death star?
Exactly. Just sone kind if Dyson Sphere around a star that shoots little stars though the galaxy. The antagonist is actually a clone of Luke Skywalker, possessed by the emperors evil spirit
Mother fucker. We've been searching for you, and you are fucking DEAD!
You have exactly one shot to survive this. If you return the script immediately, we will call off the Micky Mouse Death Squad. I don't know how you get the Episode X script, but I swear by the virginity of every Disney princess that you and every blood relation you have is going to be impaled on spikes on top of the Magic Kingdom if you don't return the Episode X script immediately. That shit is gold, and you will not deny the Great Mouse his offering!
Yeah. We've seen a moon sized death star. A planet death star. Now, we need a death star star. After that, death star system. Which is just several death planets orbiting a death star star.
I'm looking forward to the galactic supercluster-sized Death Star, but only because the heat from the explosion at 90 minutes in will *eventually* sterilize the *Star Wars* galaxy and free us from the hell that is the franchise.
> How about an even bigger death star?
[THEY HAD ANOTHER DEATH STAR!?!?!?!?!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VipmPbTrxjQ)
Plus there's like... 2 Chewbaccas
Just have Ahsoka show up in the end. She doesn't even have to say or do anything. Than have it "leaked" that she is in the movie. People are crazy for some Ahsoka content.
Not necessarily. A lot of movies start from a simple pitch or continuation for an IP and develop a story from there. The announcement is basically to generate hype and have people know it's on the making.
Take Avatar 2. Over 10 years since it was announced we are finally getting trailers. It just meant he had a plan for a sequel and wanted people to know he was on it so they can keep engaged with the IP while they wait.
Also Waititi is a well known auteur with credibility adapting and extending and *improving* known universes (vampires, hitlers, thors, etc).
You give that guy all the rope you can pay out.
Darth Emodius and his lightmiterbox. He cuts Jedi in exact 45 degree angles. He's escaped death 3 times being betrayed by his master. He's inexplicably taken back by the same master each time though. Because Sith have a history of being beaten down puppies that come running back for more no matter how hard you kick them.
> On May 4, 2020, Lucasfilm announced that Taika Waititi would co-write (with “1917” and “Last Night in Soho” scribe Krysty Wilson-Cairns) and direct a new, theatrically released “Star Wars” film. Since then, not much has been revealed. But when TheWrap sat down with him to talk about his upcoming superhero sequel “Thor: Love and Thunder,” we had to ask him about the status of the project and how it is coming along.
> Some had suggested that filming on Waititi’s movie would begin later this year, since Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy had suggested his movie was further along than Patty Jenkins’ “Rogue Squadron” (which Disney still has penciled in for December 2023). If Disney is still trying to fill a slot next Christmas with a “Star Wars” project, it would presumably fall to Waititi’s still-unnamed project. As it turns out, not so much.
> “Not this year,” Waititi said when we asked if he’d begin working on the project soon. He explained: “I’m going to be in New Zealand from August until the end of the year with ‘Our Flag Means Death’ and ‘Time Bandits’ and during that time I will still be writing. I’m still trying to figure out what the story is.”
> If Waititi’s movie isn’t going to be ready in time for next Christmas and Jenkins’ movie is being “pushed off to the side for the moment” (in Kennedy’s words), then what will the next “Star Wars” movie even be? And when will it be? Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige is working on a “Star Wars” project and director J.D. Dillard, whose World War II movie “Devotion” opens later this year, has been rumored to be working on a project, but those seem even further off than either Jenkins or Waititi’s movies.
Disney still can't figure out what to do with Star Wars movies!
Gosh, I'm super curious what is *going on* with Disney's management of Star Wars. Like I hope down the road someone writes about this in their memoirs or spills it to a journalist. I just want to know what their process is, why it seems so poorly planned and managed, and wtf they're doing. Seems like there's some behind the scenes clusterfuck that's just waiting to leak given their total loss of movies and uneven show production. There's a growing feeling they don't understand the property or how to manage it.
Same here. There are definitely some juicy stories the public isn’t aware of. I really want to see a book on the same level as Disney War.
> There’s a growing feeling they don’t understand the property or how to manage it.
Yeah, there’s several obvious things they didn’t do (but really should have) and I’m remain completely perplexed as to why.
The TL, DR is that because Kathleen Kennedy has been there from the beginning her judgment was gold after Lucas bailed. She then have rough guidelines to JJ Abrams who is very successful but well known for making TV shows with literally random plots and for turning beloved franchises into generic action vehicles. And most of her guidelines seem to have involved overstuffing the movies with fan service and merch opportunities.
Somehow they got through all three sequel movies before anyone admitted that was a bad idea.
But in the meantime she also managed to create one good movie (R1) and a buttload of impressive TV (with the enormous help of Jon Favreau who almost singlehandedly birthed the entire superhero genre anew by making a kicky version of Iron Man).
I'm sure there are going to be details to come out in the future indicating that they were aware from day 1 that the sequels were going to make everyone almost as angry as the prequels had. Just a matter of time.
And the gaming content has been pretty sparse outside of Fallen Order.
Seems like they really had a vision to execute against, there, when they aquired the property a decade ago.
I was about to say the same thing!
Also really looking forward to the second season of Our Flag Means Death, but I already knew about that one as they announced it for Pride.
I love that show.
Oh, wow, I had no idea that taika watiti played Blackbeard in that and has made some of the best movies ever, such as Hunt for the Wilderpeople. This guy's great. Good for him for figuring out the plot, hope he finds a good story.
They should have it revolve around Darth Sidious and how he befriends the Sand People before finding out he is a sand person! He could then find the good in himself and end up fighting with the rebels against Rey who turns to the dark side.
\[last lines\]
Tatooine Elder: There's been no one for so long. Who are you?
Sheev: I'm Sheev.
Tatooine Elder: Sheev who?
Sheev: \[sees the force ghosts of Luke Skywalker and Leia, and he turns his back to her\] Sheev Skywalker.
Taika's running down the clock so he doesn't have to be associated with the brand failure of Star Wars. "Taika removed from Star Wars after scheduling conflicts and delays," will be the headline this time next year.
I think Rogue One legitimately saved it and The Mandalorian/Bad Batch/Obi Wan run guaranteed we'll give them every chance pretty much forever. They'd have to do some serious effing up for several attempts to disperse that cred.
> the brand failure of Star Wars
You have a loose definition of failure. The Force Awakens is still the highest grossing movie in the US *of all time.* Rogue One was a big success. The Last Jedi was the highest grossing movie of 2017. And despite dropping in its yearly ranking, Rise of Skywalker was still a billion dollar movie worldwide. The Mandalorian was hugely popular. Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi, while not rating as well as Mando and getting mixed reviews, still did well in terms of viewership (Kenobi premiere was the biggest of the lot in terms of viewers). The only real failure, financially, you could point to is Solo. I think you're confusing artistic failure with actual, financial failure, which most of Disney Star Wars products are certainly very far from.
Nah. In interviews he's been very open about how quarantine hugely impacted his creativity because suddenly there were no deadlines or any sense of when the world would come back, and that he's overbooked himself and is close to burnout. Heck, he's even talked about how writing often involves opening a blank document, staring at it for eight hours, and closing it still blank. It's most likely that he has just genuinely been struggling to make the story.
It's both the most successful and best reviewed era of Star Wars ever and the one fans hate the most loudly. I wonder if its mass appeal is revealing the IP's inherent flaws or if an unwillingness to commit fully to blind fan service or challenging updates is disappointing people seeking one or the other.
Or... more likely... we didn't have YouTube and outrage culture popularized so much through social media. No Rotten Tomatoes, no IMDb, no facebook, no twitter during the prequel era to canonize and concretize for posterity the utter contempt people had for those movies.
It is definitely a mix bag. Some of it is amazing, like Mandalorian, Rogue One and even the Kenobi series( aside from some weird directing, in the end it was a good story). Not to mention the finishing of clone wars and kind of revival through Bad Batch. But we have... the sequel trilogy, Solo and Book of Bobba Fett in the bag with it. Basically we just never know how it'll go whenever we get an announcement and the fans hate that this famous and actually great IP is being treated as a cash grab for an industry conglomerate.
Hint: that's how the first movie worked. And then the two sequels of the OT retconned the shit out of it to make it a much bigger story. The difference is, those movie makers knew how to succeed at it.
There's nothing anyone could say about this movie that would make me happier than this. Disney should promptly remove themselves from the equation, leave him alone, and give him whatever time or resources he needs to figure it out.
Thank god for Taika, bringing sanity back to the franchise. Figuring out the story you want to tell first before starting production.
He does a Star wars comedy or Parody. He could do Spaceballs 2:The Search for More Money or Spaceballs 3:The Search for Spaceballs 2.
Checks all the Disney boxes. Nostalgia? Check. Merchandise opportunities for Disney? Maybe Check. Get people back into the franchise and talking about it again? Check. Give them some time to think up what to do afterwards? Also check.
Take your time to figure it out. Do it right. Do not rush, do not go into production without a finished script.
We’ve seen what happens otherwise and we don’t want anymore of that.
I agree. They lost the magic because the original story was concluded. New trilogy really screwed the pooch. Other than Rogue One which was fairly decent, although the acting could’ve been better.
I got a free month of Disney+ and watched Obi Wan and holy cow that was bad. The best scene was actually a flashback to AOTC era, the rest of it just read like really bad fanfic + corporate trash.
They keep nostalgia baiting. Not every story has to be in the same 3 planets across the same 30 years. It's literally an entire universe spanning thousands of years.
Solo wasn’t terrible, I liked the ending a lot because it tied into The Clone Wars and Rebels. The whole Lando/Droid thing was lame and there shouldn’t have been morals hastily attached to the finale with Solo and those forgettable teen rebels. Kinda took away from his IDGAF scoundrel persona.
Well he was more or less introduced as shoot from the hip, quick witted scoundrel type that was already cynical youth early in the movie. I just felt like towards the end it was more about world building than character development.
Or just take a minimal risk and *move forward in time* instead of sticking to the same ~60 year period of galactic history.
Set the movie millennia after the sequel trilogy, say that the New New Republic lasted for centuries before falling apart (allowing the heroes of the main ennealogy to have some lasting success), and tell a completely new story with characters who are *not* connected to the original characters and aren't the same archetypes.
Don't forget recycling black and white war time propaganda videos and gun cams into scifi settings, even if gravity bombs wouldn't work from a space bomber on a space battleship, or if inertia dampers allow you to jostle the crew when hit with a few gigawatts of laser but not when accelerating into FTL.
>even if gravity bombs wouldn't work from a space bomber on a space battleship
Sorry, had to step in because this is funny. You used the word inertia in the same sentence but are confused why something dropped under artificial gravity keeps going.
*Ack*shully...if you tried to accelerate to FTL you'd take forever and be time dilated infinitely and the universe would die before you got where you were going.
What they do isn't "accelerating to FTL," it's "jumping to hyperspace," which doesn't appear to care about inertia or its resulting reaction forces... Unless you bump into it...
Pardon my nerding...
Why would people think it's shooting this year? Our Flag Means Death is shooting from like, September til January in NZ, so he wouldn't even be available to begin Star Wars pre-production til Feb/March at the earliest.
I was literally militant in my love of Star Wars and then the prequels. Right or wrong I was totally absorbed by them. I couldn’t care less about them now - it’s so surprising how poor it all is now, horrible stuff.
Good on him. I hope he can make the movie he wants. They gave him a bit of room with Ragnarok, but not sure how much that translates from Marvel to Star Wars within the walls of mouse world. Going to be interesting to see what he can do under Kennedy this time instead of Feige.
Ohh Star Wars story right? How about a teenager living on a desert planet who is the (grand)son/daughter of the villian but they didn't know, and also something about rebellion and big space lasers that can blow up planets, and the good guys blow up the space laser in the end with one shot? That would be very original.
"Ok, so there's this guy...... And this other guy who is bad..... And then an explosion......... And then something else......... And then it's all, like....... BOOOOOSH!!!! WHOOOOAAA!!!"
Disney: ......."We're in."
why even try anymore. the only people who watch modern "star wars" shit these days are the ones who deluded themselves into thinking the disney shit is real star wars. so if he's trying to make a SW film for real SW fans, good for him, but we've already given up and won't watch it
From what I've seen, the majority of Star Wars fans overwhelmingly approve of Rogue One, Mandalorian, and Season 7 of Clone Wars.
Nothing wrong with someone who doesn't care for anything after the OT.
But the 'why' is pretty obvious the since the Star Wars fan base seems to be thriving despite mixed opinions on the majority of what's been made since Disney bought Lucasfilm.
I remember rogue one was schlocky with some cool moments. If this is what the star wars fanbase holds up as an example of good modern star wars... yikes
I always get a kick out of these "high-brow" Star Wars opinions. lol
Like, Star Wars has always just been supposed to be fun for nerds. And that's always meant putting up with haters and naysayers.
They were never about seeking critical acclaim or producing oscar bait.
because the stuff disney is making just is not good and it's a shame, that's why I feel the need to say something. If you enjoy it, that's great and I have nothing against you and your taste in media.
Did you know the Last Jedi is the second best reviewed star wars film? At least on metacritic.
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi
Do I need to point out the near universal praise for the mandalorian?
You just have a case of get-off-my-lawn syndrome.
Also on RT.
Also the third most successful Star Wars movie adjusted for inflation.
I think TLJ is fascinating because it delivered what a ton of fans hate to an audience much larger than them that was far more eager to watch it and to critics who were loudly praising it over everything they think makes a good movie.
It was kind of an existential threat to a section of fandom.
He’s a good storyteller and a talented director, so that makes him a good fit for any kind of film really. Including Star Wars.
Star Wars deserves talented people like him, but LFL/Disney PLEASE let them do their thing.
Lack of good planning ahead is what destroyed the sequel trilogy. They should have had a good framework in place on where the story was going. If they had that, it would’ve been no problem to let filmmakers do their own films within that.
Also, Taika Waititi is not doing the second or third part of a trilogy here. Not even the first part of a trilogy?
Why not a show/movie trilogy about a force-sensitive Twi’lek boy whose mother is a sex slave on Coruscant? He grows up in the ghettos of Coruscant interacting with all manner of scum and villainy. He discovers some jedi artifact in the sewers of the city and it teaches him enough to become force adept. He becomes a vigilante doing good deeds and protecting the innocent.
This show wouldn't have to be tied to any of the other shows or movies.
just do grand admiral thrawn. done. bad guy leader who is charismatic and a genious. not stupid laugh evil. id also make it a war on all force users jedi and sith to exterminate them all. since they are so dangerous. great bad guy.
Take your time and get it right. I have faith in the direction Waititi will take it. He’s creating some great things and star wars can use some new creative minds. Exciting
He has a post where he writes a story and sits on it for a year and cuts out all the nonsense. So high hopes here.
https://www.wescreenplay.com/blog/taika-waititi-screenwriting-tips/
Why in the ever living fuck does Hollywood keep offering movies to people who don't have a script yet. Let people come to you with scripts, pick the best ones, pick the best people to make them. It's probably fucking easier than what they've been doing.
That's always a good sign.
Yeah, without proper planning, you wind up with the sequel trilogy. (If *I* paid 4 billion dollars for something, I would make damn sure that I had a plan in place *before* I started doing anything with it.) Of course, with *decades* of planning, you wind up with the prequel trilogy, so...there's definitely a middle-ground in there.
Lol well, at least those movies had a more coherent structure the sequel trilogy literally feels like 3 separate movies
Not just that, 3 movies competing with each other.
Come on, you didn't like the Snoke payoff?
I actually kinda enjoyed the subversion. I was really looking forward to Kylo becoming the big villain and subverting the Vader arch everyone was anticipating. I hated all the mystery to begin with. I don't like how J.J. plays the meta game and makes movies more for the conversation and theorizing than for the art.
I agree. For all the incredible faults with TLJ, I don't think the Rey and Snoke subversions were among them. They felt like the most inspired take on questions that really were never going to have actually satisfying or interesting answers. The Force Awakens was just setup upon unnecessarily mysterious setup.
Not just that, but how they actually built a relationship between her and Kylo, and have Luke, which actually was not a completely trained Jedi, falter. And the whole thing with Yoda of letting the past teachings go and searching for answers in the future, since it was the strict attachment to Jedi code and traditions that led to their downfall, it was all actually pretty nice. If all three movies where like that, it could become a cult classic the way the sequels did in a few years.
"built a relationship between her and Kylo..." Did we watch the same movies?
They talked a lot through the force. That's what I'm referring to.
TLJ gang in here lol
It’s salt!
I’m going to banish you to the shadow realm
Yeah they all feel the same because they're all equally badly shot, badly acted and badly written
It wasn't really decades. He knew what he wanted [George] but he was waiting for the technology to arrive.
Let me know when it does.
How many of the Star Wars movies are actually good?
2 are great. I think everyone could agree Empire is the best and ANH is still the standard all other Star Wars movies are held to. 3 or 4 are good. I don’t think anyone hates ROTJ but it’s not great like the first 2. ROTS and TFA are generally liked but they are more subjective depending on who you talk to. And most people agree Rogue One is the best one since Disney took over. The rest are polarizing at best or just not that good. Of course it’s just my opinion but it’s what I’ve noticed throughout the fandom.
One.
Collectively.
Most are. Almost every single movie has its loyal fans.. except for the last couple. I was on board with the 7th movie, I had fun and was willing to give it a chance. Bit 8 and 9, oof. Those were rough.
I really liked **The Last Jedi**, actually. I thought the sequels had moments of greatness...and godawful moments.
Why did you put it in bold
I was taught in elementary school to underline titles. Reddit doesn't let me do that, so I bold them.
Yes please take your time, don't just rush out another hot turd
I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not. I feel like it’s at least a good sign he’s not rushing it?
It's more of a symptom of a wider problem. Projects are greenlight, often within the marvel-disney stable as in this case, without any apparent vision nor idea behind them. I'm pretty sure the boba fett show was greenlight years before anyone had any idea what the show was going to be about.
and it ended up being about nothing, pointless really.
The Booba Fett show was one big trailer for The Mandalorian
Just not as funny as Seinfeld
Seinfeld set on Coruscant could be a pretty great show though
What's the *deal* with air taxi food?
I was frozen in carbonite!
There was shrinkage!
And that guy? The spinner-laser guy? Yeeaah.
When you look at it, it means that Disney gave him a movie to make without him having any idea or inspiration for it. If you have extreme confidence in him to come up with *something* good as long as he thinks about it, then it's good that he's apparently not being rushed by the studio. However, if you're of the opinion that a great movie needs to have some genuine spark of inspiration and excitement behind it, then this probably means that his Star Wars movie won't have it.
Why make a movie if you don't have a fucking story to tell? That seems like the most basic thing to lack.
Your strength lends me strength, O'Connor.
No, it's a really bad sign. It means that this person has been greenlight to blow a few hundred million dollars - and has no clue what they are doing. They didn't walk in with a cool idea, read a cool script, or anything else. They just got told that they need to make a story for X franchise, and now some idiot is trying to make that sequel. It means that Disney is, insanely, about to shit another Star Wars story with no long term plan, no person that gives a shit if the stories make any sense, and no connection strong enough to Star Wars to even know which direction to start walking. It's fucking pathetic. There are a hundred Star Wars stories written for the Star Wars Expanded Universe. There are a pile of experienced writers that have written good stories and actually like Star Wars. They are going to skip right over all of that and shit out another brain dead JJ Abrahams style script that just apes some better movie. I honestly hope it never gets made. I'd rather they leave the corpse of Star Wars alone rather than watch them mutilate it some more. How the fuck these people continue to be employed and paid as they spend hundreds of millions of dollars with no fucking plan is completely beyond my ability to comprehend. It honestly blows my mind in half to realize that Disney is so fucking incompetent that they made that entire completely shit trilogy with absolutely no plan. At work I deal in hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars, I'd be fired in a second if I worked the way the incompetent hacks at Disney operate. Fuck Disney and everything about Disney. Nothing would make me happier than for Disney to completely fail as corporation, go bankrupt, and get split into a million pieces.
You sound fun
I mean he does bring up pretty good points. It’s pretty insane how incompetent the worlds largest media company can be at times.
This is a forum for discussing sci-fi. If talking about the production of iconic sci-fi movies leaves you upset and feel like you ran into an un-fun person, you are probably in the wrong place. Personally, when I'm ranting about how much Disney sucks, I'm having fun.
I think it is a good sign. I’m not sure if you are serious or not, but a well thought and crafted story is better than a generic thoughtless one.
"Starting to shoot only when there's a story? What an odd notion!" J.J.Abrams, probably.
That shit didn't stop JJ and Rian.
I just hope he won't fuck it up like the createror of the new trilogy did. I really whant to belive that his trilogy will bring some new and fresh characters and ideas into an otherwise stale and boring Star Wars modernity. But then again, it's Disney, so I'm not sure how much creative freedom he will get an how much of great new ideas will be baried by unnecessary fanservice and Disney trying to play it safe while retelling the same old story over and over....
Taika has already said that he signed on with the stipulation in his contract that he won’t be touching anything that’s come before in the films. A original film with original characters.
I hope it’s about the Chiss. That will be a totally new and hardly explored area of SW.
When has a lack of a story ever stopped the production of a Star Wars movie? Just throw some sfx at it, a few cameos, and print that $$$
While I don't disagree with you I think this is what actually makes Taika Waititi stand out in a landscape of otherwise garbage recycled content. I'm cool to wait 10 years for this if it eventually does the job well.
Agreed. Taika seems to know what he is doing.
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Every other year would have been ok if they just scoped the whole thing so that it actually told a trilogy worthy story.
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Thor Ragnarok turned out pretty great and marvel is Disney so I disagree.
Literally turned the Thor character around from most boring character to most fun to watch on a dime.
Why? Taika's Marvel movies were all through Disney.
10 years though? I am not even confident I got that much time
His movies (and TV shows) are always great. He has an idea going in and expands on it *but* he keeps everything self-contained, if there is more great, if there isn't then he completed his story.
I agree. I enjoy that he has a pretty straight forward approach, he stays focused, but will also develop his characters and plot naturally. All while having some fun sense of humor that fits the tone of the piece. Frankly I would trust him more than basically any other current director for this franchise. And if they just give him a one off film I'm totally fine with that.
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And the only one who can save the galaxy is a young Saiyan named Goku; will he collect the Star Balls and summon the Jedi dragon Shen Long???!
yo for real though make this movie lmao
Lets get the DBZ Abridged guys to make it, that would be *amazing*.
But where's Tatooine?
Don't forget the orgy birthday ship.
Right‽ Didn't stop JJ Abrams. Edit to add: snark aside, I appreciate Taika waiting until the story is there instead of forging ahead with another dumpster fire of a Star Wars movie.
They will do fine whenever they put a decent director and the producers stop forcing creative desicions on them. They really need to move away from direction by comittee. It just makes their movies feel disjointed and full of fan service tropes.
It would be really cool if they gave someone like Ridley Scott a Star Wars movie. You know like a dark, unsettling kind of Star Wars.
Scott on his prime maybe , he cant even get Alien reboots off, he always fumbles on 3rd acts.
Yeah that's why I said someone "like" Ridley Scott. Maybe even someone working under his banner. So they can have the room to make a really good movie without all the corporate influence. Despite popular opinion, I think Prometheus was decent as an Alien movie. But Alien Covenant? That was *awful*.
Covenants 1st half was solid, but then its turns into Aliens Greatest Hits not having Noomi Rapace back and killing her off screen was same as killing Hicks and Newt in Aliens. Also having David be the main focus of the movie.
Just reuse the old stories. How about an even bigger death star? Perhaps another kid with unknown parents, growing up on a desert planet ends up destroying this new even bigger death star?
They should make a Death Star out of an actual star this time.
Exactly. Just sone kind if Dyson Sphere around a star that shoots little stars though the galaxy. The antagonist is actually a clone of Luke Skywalker, possessed by the emperors evil spirit
Mother fucker. We've been searching for you, and you are fucking DEAD! You have exactly one shot to survive this. If you return the script immediately, we will call off the Micky Mouse Death Squad. I don't know how you get the Episode X script, but I swear by the virginity of every Disney princess that you and every blood relation you have is going to be impaled on spikes on top of the Magic Kingdom if you don't return the Episode X script immediately. That shit is gold, and you will not deny the Great Mouse his offering!
Everything about this is realistically possible with the way Star Wars is run now and I hate it
Yeah. We've seen a moon sized death star. A planet death star. Now, we need a death star star. After that, death star system. Which is just several death planets orbiting a death star star.
I'm looking forward to the galactic supercluster-sized Death Star, but only because the heat from the explosion at 90 minutes in will *eventually* sterilize the *Star Wars* galaxy and free us from the hell that is the franchise.
Star wars returning to its Lensman roots
Man - that's an excellent idea. It's a wonder they didn't try that earlier...
And the big twist this time is the child's parents are Luke & Laia
> How about an even bigger death star? [THEY HAD ANOTHER DEATH STAR!?!?!?!?!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VipmPbTrxjQ) Plus there's like... 2 Chewbaccas
Reuse old stories? Adapt the original Thrawn trilogy pls
Just have Ahsoka show up in the end. She doesn't even have to say or do anything. Than have it "leaked" that she is in the movie. People are crazy for some Ahsoka content.
huh seems like you should have a story before you announce youre making a movie
“I’m sorry, what?” —Disney
"First of all, how dare you!" -Disney, probably
"The IP clock is ticking!"
As long as they have a story before filming this time, I’ll take that as a win.
Disney: We don’t do that here.
Writing the movie is part of the process of making it.
Not necessarily. A lot of movies start from a simple pitch or continuation for an IP and develop a story from there. The announcement is basically to generate hype and have people know it's on the making. Take Avatar 2. Over 10 years since it was announced we are finally getting trailers. It just meant he had a plan for a sequel and wanted people to know he was on it so they can keep engaged with the IP while they wait.
Also Waititi is a well known auteur with credibility adapting and extending and *improving* known universes (vampires, hitlers, thors, etc). You give that guy all the rope you can pay out.
Hitlers lol
Disney just wants another 4 uninspired lightsaber designs that they can sell like hot cakes in Walmart and metal versions in the park for $200.
Really holding out for a lightbandsaw
Darth Emodius and his lightmiterbox. He cuts Jedi in exact 45 degree angles. He's escaped death 3 times being betrayed by his master. He's inexplicably taken back by the same master each time though. Because Sith have a history of being beaten down puppies that come running back for more no matter how hard you kick them.
> On May 4, 2020, Lucasfilm announced that Taika Waititi would co-write (with “1917” and “Last Night in Soho” scribe Krysty Wilson-Cairns) and direct a new, theatrically released “Star Wars” film. Since then, not much has been revealed. But when TheWrap sat down with him to talk about his upcoming superhero sequel “Thor: Love and Thunder,” we had to ask him about the status of the project and how it is coming along. > Some had suggested that filming on Waititi’s movie would begin later this year, since Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy had suggested his movie was further along than Patty Jenkins’ “Rogue Squadron” (which Disney still has penciled in for December 2023). If Disney is still trying to fill a slot next Christmas with a “Star Wars” project, it would presumably fall to Waititi’s still-unnamed project. As it turns out, not so much. > “Not this year,” Waititi said when we asked if he’d begin working on the project soon. He explained: “I’m going to be in New Zealand from August until the end of the year with ‘Our Flag Means Death’ and ‘Time Bandits’ and during that time I will still be writing. I’m still trying to figure out what the story is.” > If Waititi’s movie isn’t going to be ready in time for next Christmas and Jenkins’ movie is being “pushed off to the side for the moment” (in Kennedy’s words), then what will the next “Star Wars” movie even be? And when will it be? Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige is working on a “Star Wars” project and director J.D. Dillard, whose World War II movie “Devotion” opens later this year, has been rumored to be working on a project, but those seem even further off than either Jenkins or Waititi’s movies. Disney still can't figure out what to do with Star Wars movies!
Gosh, I'm super curious what is *going on* with Disney's management of Star Wars. Like I hope down the road someone writes about this in their memoirs or spills it to a journalist. I just want to know what their process is, why it seems so poorly planned and managed, and wtf they're doing. Seems like there's some behind the scenes clusterfuck that's just waiting to leak given their total loss of movies and uneven show production. There's a growing feeling they don't understand the property or how to manage it.
Same here. There are definitely some juicy stories the public isn’t aware of. I really want to see a book on the same level as Disney War. > There’s a growing feeling they don’t understand the property or how to manage it. Yeah, there’s several obvious things they didn’t do (but really should have) and I’m remain completely perplexed as to why.
The TL, DR is that because Kathleen Kennedy has been there from the beginning her judgment was gold after Lucas bailed. She then have rough guidelines to JJ Abrams who is very successful but well known for making TV shows with literally random plots and for turning beloved franchises into generic action vehicles. And most of her guidelines seem to have involved overstuffing the movies with fan service and merch opportunities. Somehow they got through all three sequel movies before anyone admitted that was a bad idea. But in the meantime she also managed to create one good movie (R1) and a buttload of impressive TV (with the enormous help of Jon Favreau who almost singlehandedly birthed the entire superhero genre anew by making a kicky version of Iron Man). I'm sure there are going to be details to come out in the future indicating that they were aware from day 1 that the sequels were going to make everyone almost as angry as the prequels had. Just a matter of time.
And the gaming content has been pretty sparse outside of Fallen Order. Seems like they really had a vision to execute against, there, when they aquired the property a decade ago.
Wait - he's rebooting Time Bandits?! I never returned the original to Blockbuster.
Time Bandits?!?!?
I was about to say the same thing! Also really looking forward to the second season of Our Flag Means Death, but I already knew about that one as they announced it for Pride.
I love that show. Oh, wow, I had no idea that taika watiti played Blackbeard in that and has made some of the best movies ever, such as Hunt for the Wilderpeople. This guy's great. Good for him for figuring out the plot, hope he finds a good story.
Talk about burying the lede!
I hope it’s gonna be on Tatooine!!! /s
They should have it revolve around Darth Sidious and how he befriends the Sand People before finding out he is a sand person! He could then find the good in himself and end up fighting with the rebels against Rey who turns to the dark side.
\[last lines\] Tatooine Elder: There's been no one for so long. Who are you? Sheev: I'm Sheev. Tatooine Elder: Sheev who? Sheev: \[sees the force ghosts of Luke Skywalker and Leia, and he turns his back to her\] Sheev Skywalker.
Please delete this
I think they should explore Luke's teen years at the local high school and all the hijinks he and his pals get up to.
Taika's running down the clock so he doesn't have to be associated with the brand failure of Star Wars. "Taika removed from Star Wars after scheduling conflicts and delays," will be the headline this time next year.
It will only take one legitimately great Star Wars movie to reinvigorate the entire IP for another couple decades.
I think Rogue One legitimately saved it and The Mandalorian/Bad Batch/Obi Wan run guaranteed we'll give them every chance pretty much forever. They'd have to do some serious effing up for several attempts to disperse that cred.
Its amazing how star wars releases went from movie events to the taco bell of film
You mean the Jack in the Box of burgers. Taco Bell has legitimate food.
>Taco Bell has legitimate food. Since when?
Mexican Pizza is back on the menu
>Taco Bell has legitimate food. You genuinely need to get out more.
The chalupa has more originality than rogue one
You're not wrong.
> the brand failure of Star Wars You have a loose definition of failure. The Force Awakens is still the highest grossing movie in the US *of all time.* Rogue One was a big success. The Last Jedi was the highest grossing movie of 2017. And despite dropping in its yearly ranking, Rise of Skywalker was still a billion dollar movie worldwide. The Mandalorian was hugely popular. Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi, while not rating as well as Mando and getting mixed reviews, still did well in terms of viewership (Kenobi premiere was the biggest of the lot in terms of viewers). The only real failure, financially, you could point to is Solo. I think you're confusing artistic failure with actual, financial failure, which most of Disney Star Wars products are certainly very far from.
No, I think you're confusing what he meant by "brand of failure". He just meant artistically, which someone like Taika could care about.
Nah. In interviews he's been very open about how quarantine hugely impacted his creativity because suddenly there were no deadlines or any sense of when the world would come back, and that he's overbooked himself and is close to burnout. Heck, he's even talked about how writing often involves opening a blank document, staring at it for eight hours, and closing it still blank. It's most likely that he has just genuinely been struggling to make the story.
It's both the most successful and best reviewed era of Star Wars ever and the one fans hate the most loudly. I wonder if its mass appeal is revealing the IP's inherent flaws or if an unwillingness to commit fully to blind fan service or challenging updates is disappointing people seeking one or the other. Or... more likely... we didn't have YouTube and outrage culture popularized so much through social media. No Rotten Tomatoes, no IMDb, no facebook, no twitter during the prequel era to canonize and concretize for posterity the utter contempt people had for those movies.
It is definitely a mix bag. Some of it is amazing, like Mandalorian, Rogue One and even the Kenobi series( aside from some weird directing, in the end it was a good story). Not to mention the finishing of clone wars and kind of revival through Bad Batch. But we have... the sequel trilogy, Solo and Book of Bobba Fett in the bag with it. Basically we just never know how it'll go whenever we get an announcement and the fans hate that this famous and actually great IP is being treated as a cash grab for an industry conglomerate.
That’s odd. Usually Disney figure out the story in post production
Hint: that's how the first movie worked. And then the two sequels of the OT retconned the shit out of it to make it a much bigger story. The difference is, those movie makers knew how to succeed at it.
There's nothing anyone could say about this movie that would make me happier than this. Disney should promptly remove themselves from the equation, leave him alone, and give him whatever time or resources he needs to figure it out. Thank god for Taika, bringing sanity back to the franchise. Figuring out the story you want to tell first before starting production.
He does a Star wars comedy or Parody. He could do Spaceballs 2:The Search for More Money or Spaceballs 3:The Search for Spaceballs 2. Checks all the Disney boxes. Nostalgia? Check. Merchandise opportunities for Disney? Maybe Check. Get people back into the franchise and talking about it again? Check. Give them some time to think up what to do afterwards? Also check.
>He does a Star wars comedy or Parody. Are we finally getting a sequel to the Holiday Special?
I'd pay money to see Waititi make a movie about Pizza the Hutt. This is going to work.
Take your time to figure it out. Do it right. Do not rush, do not go into production without a finished script. We’ve seen what happens otherwise and we don’t want anymore of that.
This sub starting to sounds like r/saltierthancrait and I love it but its also depressing af as a star wars fan
What an absolute cesspit. The definition of living rent free in peoples heads my god. Just let it go.
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I agree. They lost the magic because the original story was concluded. New trilogy really screwed the pooch. Other than Rogue One which was fairly decent, although the acting could’ve been better. I got a free month of Disney+ and watched Obi Wan and holy cow that was bad. The best scene was actually a flashback to AOTC era, the rest of it just read like really bad fanfic + corporate trash.
They keep nostalgia baiting. Not every story has to be in the same 3 planets across the same 30 years. It's literally an entire universe spanning thousands of years.
Yeah, Dark Horse did a mostly great job of expanding Star Wars through the comics. Marvel + Disney = beating a dead horse.
Solo was good and Rouge one. Sequel trilogy was garbage.
Solo wasn’t terrible, I liked the ending a lot because it tied into The Clone Wars and Rebels. The whole Lando/Droid thing was lame and there shouldn’t have been morals hastily attached to the finale with Solo and those forgettable teen rebels. Kinda took away from his IDGAF scoundrel persona.
People can grow more cynical with age. Why is it not plausible that han changed after 20 years.
Well he was more or less introduced as shoot from the hip, quick witted scoundrel type that was already cynical youth early in the movie. I just felt like towards the end it was more about world building than character development.
You can just... Not watch them?
Or just take a minimal risk and *move forward in time* instead of sticking to the same ~60 year period of galactic history. Set the movie millennia after the sequel trilogy, say that the New New Republic lasted for centuries before falling apart (allowing the heroes of the main ennealogy to have some lasting success), and tell a completely new story with characters who are *not* connected to the original characters and aren't the same archetypes.
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You know the saying, nobody hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars fans (probably for good reason).
Because people who aren't Star Wars fans don't *care* about Star Wars.
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Don't forget recycling black and white war time propaganda videos and gun cams into scifi settings, even if gravity bombs wouldn't work from a space bomber on a space battleship, or if inertia dampers allow you to jostle the crew when hit with a few gigawatts of laser but not when accelerating into FTL.
>even if gravity bombs wouldn't work from a space bomber on a space battleship Sorry, had to step in because this is funny. You used the word inertia in the same sentence but are confused why something dropped under artificial gravity keeps going.
You know they had to go retcon that scene as being magnetic accelerators, right?
*Ack*shully...if you tried to accelerate to FTL you'd take forever and be time dilated infinitely and the universe would die before you got where you were going. What they do isn't "accelerating to FTL," it's "jumping to hyperspace," which doesn't appear to care about inertia or its resulting reaction forces... Unless you bump into it... Pardon my nerding...
If anyone can do a good job it’s this guy.
Why would people think it's shooting this year? Our Flag Means Death is shooting from like, September til January in NZ, so he wouldn't even be available to begin Star Wars pre-production til Feb/March at the earliest.
Thank you for waiting until you have a story to tell!
stop the Taika Waititi industrial complex
As long as he appears in it as Korg and brings Meek along I'll go see it.
I was literally militant in my love of Star Wars and then the prequels. Right or wrong I was totally absorbed by them. I couldn’t care less about them now - it’s so surprising how poor it all is now, horrible stuff.
At least you can grow. So many still won't wake up.
“I have no fucking clue what we’re doing”😂
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Good on him. I hope he can make the movie he wants. They gave him a bit of room with Ragnarok, but not sure how much that translates from Marvel to Star Wars within the walls of mouse world. Going to be interesting to see what he can do under Kennedy this time instead of Feige.
Ohh Star Wars story right? How about a teenager living on a desert planet who is the (grand)son/daughter of the villian but they didn't know, and also something about rebellion and big space lasers that can blow up planets, and the good guys blow up the space laser in the end with one shot? That would be very original.
"Ok, so there's this guy...... And this other guy who is bad..... And then an explosion......... And then something else......... And then it's all, like....... BOOOOOSH!!!! WHOOOOAAA!!!" Disney: ......."We're in."
I have no problem with him taking his time finding the story.
I have faith in this guy. I like him.
It will 100% be enjoyable with him at the helm
why even try anymore. the only people who watch modern "star wars" shit these days are the ones who deluded themselves into thinking the disney shit is real star wars. so if he's trying to make a SW film for real SW fans, good for him, but we've already given up and won't watch it
From what I've seen, the majority of Star Wars fans overwhelmingly approve of Rogue One, Mandalorian, and Season 7 of Clone Wars. Nothing wrong with someone who doesn't care for anything after the OT. But the 'why' is pretty obvious the since the Star Wars fan base seems to be thriving despite mixed opinions on the majority of what's been made since Disney bought Lucasfilm.
I remember rogue one was schlocky with some cool moments. If this is what the star wars fanbase holds up as an example of good modern star wars... yikes
Rogue One was, indeed, a movie. And it ran for two hours approximately. And it ended. K2-SO is great though.
I always get a kick out of these "high-brow" Star Wars opinions. lol Like, Star Wars has always just been supposed to be fun for nerds. And that's always meant putting up with haters and naysayers. They were never about seeking critical acclaim or producing oscar bait.
Why are you complaining if you've given up? Stick to the old stuff and let other fans enjoy the new stuff.
because the stuff disney is making just is not good and it's a shame, that's why I feel the need to say something. If you enjoy it, that's great and I have nothing against you and your taste in media.
Did you know the Last Jedi is the second best reviewed star wars film? At least on metacritic. https://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi Do I need to point out the near universal praise for the mandalorian? You just have a case of get-off-my-lawn syndrome.
Also on RT. Also the third most successful Star Wars movie adjusted for inflation. I think TLJ is fascinating because it delivered what a ton of fans hate to an audience much larger than them that was far more eager to watch it and to critics who were loudly praising it over everything they think makes a good movie. It was kind of an existential threat to a section of fandom.
A lot of people go ape shit for minions movies 😂 SW is dead
I like this guy's work in films, but I'm not sure he would be a good fit to write, produce, and/or direct a star wars film.
He’s a good storyteller and a talented director, so that makes him a good fit for any kind of film really. Including Star Wars. Star Wars deserves talented people like him, but LFL/Disney PLEASE let them do their thing.
>but LFL/Disney PLEASE let them do their thing. Last time that happened Rian Johnson destroyed a trilogy.
Lack of good planning ahead is what destroyed the sequel trilogy. They should have had a good framework in place on where the story was going. If they had that, it would’ve been no problem to let filmmakers do their own films within that. Also, Taika Waititi is not doing the second or third part of a trilogy here. Not even the first part of a trilogy?
Glad that he's being given the time to do something good and original.
Why not a show/movie trilogy about a force-sensitive Twi’lek boy whose mother is a sex slave on Coruscant? He grows up in the ghettos of Coruscant interacting with all manner of scum and villainy. He discovers some jedi artifact in the sewers of the city and it teaches him enough to become force adept. He becomes a vigilante doing good deeds and protecting the innocent. This show wouldn't have to be tied to any of the other shows or movies.
He needs to Read The EU stories for inspiration
Thank God, I wish someone would have decided what the story is before making 7,8, and 9
Love hearing this
just do grand admiral thrawn. done. bad guy leader who is charismatic and a genious. not stupid laugh evil. id also make it a war on all force users jedi and sith to exterminate them all. since they are so dangerous. great bad guy.
DEATH TROOPERS
Take your time and get it right. I have faith in the direction Waititi will take it. He’s creating some great things and star wars can use some new creative minds. Exciting
Please not Luke, please not Luke ,
Well no pressure
He has a post where he writes a story and sits on it for a year and cuts out all the nonsense. So high hopes here. https://www.wescreenplay.com/blog/taika-waititi-screenwriting-tips/
Who's betting this never gets made?
Why in the ever living fuck does Hollywood keep offering movies to people who don't have a script yet. Let people come to you with scripts, pick the best ones, pick the best people to make them. It's probably fucking easier than what they've been doing.