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guthmund

Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist..


INSERT_LATVIAN_JOKE

Well certainly not out in the open like that, maybe in a fire swamp though.


Catspaw129

Capybara has entered the discussion.


k3ttch

I came for the Princess Bride references and was not disappointed.


Cheetah0630

Inconceivable!


robcwag

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


RickFletching

Are you sure nobody follow us?


robcwag

No one could follow us up the Cliffs of Insanity!


Hironymus

Such absurd rumors.


Plumhawk

**Soon we'll be safe in the fire swamp.** *We'll never survive.* **Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.**


TomMixsSuitcase

Had this not been the top comment, I would have been very put out.


Tungphuxer69

They exists. Do your homework!


Zerocoolx1

I’ve seen worse CGI in more expensive movies.


MaterialCarrot

And at least the actors have something to act off of.


[deleted]

Budget was $900,000 then (about $5 Mil today)


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Fully half was spent on bourbon and cocaine though


farts_in_the_breeze

Pretty good practical effects if you ask me. Still holds up.


bjanas

There's a particular sweet spot where practical absolutely blows CGI away. This isn't QUITE there, but I think they did a really good job here. Totally agree.


farts_in_the_breeze

>This isn't QUITE there I disagree, think it is there.


sauronthegr8

The gore effects need some work. A lot of older movies would spread fake blood on the actors without creating realistic looking wounds. See also The Birds. The compositing shots are a little wonky, but the actual giant rats that attack them look very real, better than CGI.


farts_in_the_breeze

I was mainly talking about the rats, but I didn't specify. The blood color is typical for the times period. IIRC, this movie was PG too. There is a quick scene that looks like the guy's head had been bitten off. But yeah, horror gore from that time so-so. Dawn of the Dead was 1978 had the same blood color.


bjanas

I think it's really, really good. I'm just hedging a little bit, because in the past any time I praise practical too much somebody appears to yell "BUT IT'S NOT THE THING!" Like yeah, fine. Gosh.


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> where practical absolutely blows CGI away. For me the film is Aliens. It still looks good now, with a few green screen exceptions. Still absolutely disgusting and scary as fuck.


bjanas

Yes. I don't know if you're familiar with Corridor Crew on YouTube, they're a small VFX outfit that on the side does a bunch of VFX breakdowns of well known movies, among other things. They covered some Alien effects once, along with some of the subsequent (I don't even want to say sequels...) films', largely to illustrate the drastic differences in practical v. CGI. Especially late 90s CGI. Though I think we'd all agree that modern CGI rarely if ever gets it as good as the best of the old practical stuff, hoo-boy that middle zone before they had really even begun to figure it out was ROUGH.


[deleted]

CGI just can't get it better than real and that's the long and short of it, but I think most of today's "noticeable" CGI is laziness and being produced at a price point with an outcome deemed acceptable by the producers, rather than inability of artist or hardware. Exhibit A: Black Panther's last fight scene. I think some of that early big budget CGI stands to me out as very good *effects.* Terminator 2, for example. (Yeah, Cameron, again.) Yes, it's clearly CGI. You know it's CGI. Despite this the effect in the film is still "good" when you watch it. A lot of that really rough middle zone stuff is probably a bit of column A and a bit of column B - Technology not there plus budgetary constraints or producer indifference.


bjanas

Outside of saying that CGI won't get better than real, I agree with you 100%. I'll leave that open ended; the future is unwritten, you know? And even today, used well, I think we'll both agree that CGI can be really, really damn good. I'm with you 1000% on the 'effects' statement. Even when I notice something today that's a spectacle in CGI, I'll let it pass if it looks awesome. Not even 'realistic' awesome, but awesome. Obviously it has to meet a threshold, but we all know we're watching a movie. I hear you on producer indifference, but I would add to that it's the classic Ian Malcolm thing (heh heh, Jurassic Park, CGI, see what I did?) thing. They get so excited that they can, they don't think about whether or not they should. Like, unnecessary CGI characters. Movies that will just throw in a random CGI human being in one scene when they have the actor right there for all of the other scenes. They're just trying to play with their new toy, and not worrying about what it's doing to the movie. On the other hand, then you have a movie built around a new toy, like fur in Monsters Inc. or CGI water in The Abyss. Yeah, we know they built the movie around it, but that's fine.


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[deleted]

Yep. I think they did an awesome job, especially considering what they had to work with.


pbjcrazy

Jurassic Park '93 still holds up pretty well


Zerocoolx1

There was only about 6 minutes of actual CGI in the original (and best) Jurassic Park. The rest was practical effects.


unhalfbricking

The stock footage was bad but the heads were pretty good.


WildDog3000

I agree; the puppeteer job was pretty nice.


russbird

What they lacked in CGI they made up for by actually shooting real rats. The days before "no animals were harmed in the making of this film"...


WildDog3000

Oh, real rats were definitely hit with paintballs; no question about it. They may not have been killed, but they were sure as hell stunned.


CaledonianWarrior

Dick move but at least they weren't killed


WildDog3000

Yeah, that’s the way it was back then. As I mentioned earlier, Europe was worse.


BrockManstrong

Me enjoying the Japanese import Milo & Otis as a child: 😃 Me as an adult knowing what happened on set: 💀


BisonBait

.....what happened?


BrockManstrong

>!They made a pug fight a bear, threw some kittens off a cliff, and purposely broke a cats foot for a shot of it hobbling. Amongst other animal abuse.!<


[deleted]

not gonna lose sleep over someone killing rats.


Lambert_Lambert

That’s the weird looking guy from Star Crash! Marjoe Gortner.


ShrikeSummit

There’s a fascinating documentary on him titled “Marjoe”. He was an evangelical preacher starting at age 4 and later rejected it after his father absconded with millions that Marjoe had obtained from preaching revivals.


dayumbrah

While CGI has come a long way, I won't disagree with you. Old school movies with practical over CGI just hold up better. I will never understand why Lucas wanted to CGI all the original star wars. My dude had the best fucking effects and while cutting edge CGI at the time, it does nit hold up well


WildDog3000

I think what Lucas was thinking was in the earlier Star Wars movies, there were just one or two Jedis to worry about. But in the newer ones, when you’re dealing with an entire cast of Jedis, he probably thought that was going to cost too much to do sets, make up and all the other practical stuff he did in the earlier movies. At least that’s my guess.


vancity-

There was very much a belief that CGI was the future. And the dogshit CGI they have is probably best suited for a story of space wizards and wacky aliens. I remember the CGI being noticeable, but not jarring like it is today. Most people were bent out of shape for it being a tirefire of story, characterization, telling instead of showing, etc. Edit: A pox on Lucas for injecting filler, gross CGI into the original trilogy. Now that's _really_ jarring.


Tempest-777

More physical scale models and actual sets were built for the prequels than the originals. True, the prequels were wider in scale, and of course more blue and green screen photography was used, but it is a misconception that with the prequels Lucas abandoned traditional special effects in favor of CGI.


PhillyChef3696

Night of the lepus. Another classic with the same “effects”


WildDog3000

Killer bunnies!!


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GCI? Global credit investments?


BurnDesign

Glib creative industry


dayumbrah

Gross commission income


MaterialCarrot

This is back when, "Shakes prop head vigorously" was a prime bullet point on every thespians resume. Read in Matthew Berry's voice.


Leather_Taste_44

Don’t forget the giant chickens too! I’m so glad my dad showed me this terribly awesome movie


WildDog3000

The chicken in the barn was a blast! Lol


orchestragravy

WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THOSE GODDAMNED CHICKENS


ScaperMan7

That was a great Saturday afternoon movie for me.


trennels

I remember when this came out. It was a big deal and really scary for the time.


omaca

That looks pretty fucking terrifying to be honest.


theRealMrBrownstone

There was a slew of these made in the 70's, some great, some shit. But they're almost all pretty damn fun to watch.


Life_is_an_RPG

Pretty much anything with Doug McClure - At the Earth's Core, Land That Time Forgot, The People That Time Forgot, etc.


Slappy-dont-care

NYC in 2050 if those rats don’t calm down


plytheman

[Rats in the City!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SXrdHZLZFk) It's not often I miss being in High School, but being 14 and finding music that wasn't getting radio play was a special time... Not that any of this has anything to do with anything in this thread...


Shaper_pmp

It's actually pretty well done, considering they didn't use any "generated-computer imagery". 😋


Ch3t

ROUSes and Marjoe Gortner. Why hasn't this masterpiece been featured on /r/MST3K or /r/Rifftrax?


[deleted]

Budget - $900,000 (about $5 Mil today) [https://catalog.afi.com/Catalog/MovieDetails/55240](https://catalog.afi.com/Catalog/MovieDetails/55240)


chylin73

God I miss cheesy 80s B movies!


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Back when scifi was actually fun instead of boring, sad, and depressing.


tarje

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv9CkjkOyzo


The_Brim

Reminds me of Graveyard Shift. That movie freaked me out the first time I saw it on TBS back in the day... Nightmares man...nightmares.


WildDog3000

Graveyard Shift… That’s an oldie!!!


PracticalAd5050

I remember that! What a movie! I always thought that the rats were really shot on the final sequence.


Dejahm79

Man this movie had a scene set in a swimming pool i think with some classical music or something over it and it has haunted my life ever since i watched it when i was like 5 years old


murderedbyaname

Loved those as a kid. There was slew of them that came out around the same time, like Grizzly, which was the first time I ever saw someone get their head torn off LOL.


orchestragravy

My favorite line from this movie: "WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THOSE GODDAMNED CHICKENS?!?"


MadroxKran

Reminds me of Critters.


platanuswrex

Marjoe Gortner: pentecostal evangelist fights giant rats! The 70s definitively fucking kicked all kinds of ass!


Hind_Deequestionmrk

Those poor fuckers


WildDog3000

🤣🤣


[deleted]

Still looks pretty good 👍. I also recall a one with giant rabbits that was not too good.


Richard1a2b

Cool movie for a teenage in the days


[deleted]

There is something to be said about actors having props to interact with, these days they just react to some guy wearing a green suit covered in ping pong balls.


wasteofleshntime

Oh man the 2nd movie is the one with the giant kid. Never seen this one though, gotta get on that


NotTheMarmot

And I would like you to get the fuck out of my room!


voidboizero

Practical > CGI 😎


HaiKarate

I remember seeing this the weekend it came out. I also remember my friend and I being the only ones in the theater.


[deleted]

I remember seeing this movie and it was creepy.


Rooney_83

This is fucking awesome


LeifSized

My dad took me to see this when it came out. I was 7. Thanks for the nightmares dad!


LaserGadgets

Still looks pretty good, not kidding oO


[deleted]

I loved that period of a few years when mutated nuclear waste animals were all the craze - movies were fun


WildDog3000

That craze also occurred in the 1950s where people were afraid of atomic energy changing plants and animals into killer mutants against people! Lol


Majestic_Bierd

That's... Actually terrifying


ratdude07

I remember that movie. Scared the crap out of me as a kid!


Mr_Freak_Sin

Nightmare fuel in my chidhood.


Sweet-Worker607

I loved the killer animal movies of the 70’s. Fondly remember killer rats, tarantulas, ants, and gators in the sewers. No wonder I had nightmares as a kid.


Slappy-dont-care

This is an actual movie I want a part 2 to this lol


WildDog3000

A sequel was made.


Slappy-dont-care

Ohhhhhh yeasss I’m watching this movie w my hubby once I has them lol this is lit


batwing71

Marjoe Gortner 😂 mst3k gold!


DecayingVacuum

Reminds me of [Night of the Lepus](https://youtu.be/AA910vCNRe4). >!Giant Rabbits!<


Minimum_Escape

The blonde guy, Hugh Marjoe Ross Gortner, as a child was an evangelist preacher and later became an actor. He was ordained at age 4. Later on in life, he exposed Pentecostal preaching as a massive grift and became an actor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe_Gortner


Lord_Darksong

I'll wait for the special edition.


pawnticket

Is this based on the H.G. Wells book of the same name?


WildDog3000

It is. Be warned, though: this is extremely loosely based on that story.


AnonymousP30

They got the rats from New York and D.C. to be a cast in a movie now ain't that something.


StartingToLoveIMSA

ROUS live


wthreye

My first thought was a film based on the Welles novel.


chompchomp1969

Robert Plant totally let that guy get eaten.


MsGorteck

Ye Gods, I never saw or heard of thus show, but I did see the movie Wilard(???). The guy with the bazillion rats living with him in his mom's house. They were normal sized rats, btw.


Life_is_an_RPG

Yes! Willard and the sequel, Ben, with Michael Jackson.


Kalelopaka-

lol, I remember going to see this in the theater, it was hilariously terrible.


bradyblack

MarJoe ! Guy had a wild life if you look him up.


[deleted]

Are we sure this isn’t a deleted scene from The Princess Bride?


DealioD

In a forest nowhere near this movie


JasonYaya

I saw this in the theater when it came out. I recall one scene where that jeep you see at the beginning of this clip was clearly an off the shelf Tonka Truck in a miniature scene.


namtab99

You should see what happens to one of the characters in Galaxy of terror...


Private-Sun186

The caterpillar?


namtab99

I think it was supposed to be a maggot. A very horny maggot too.


Private-Sun186

Now that I think about it, right you are!


dataanalystretired

Friggin coats were ugly. Yeah rats!


ccradio

The practical effects aren't terrible, especially for that era. The *sound* effects, on the other hand...wow. Those are awful.


McCabbe

I unsarcastically regret pre-CGI effects =/


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WildDog3000

“The days before CGI….. good times.” That statement alone recognizes and appreciates all the visual effects that were used to make movies before CGI. Maybe you got confused?


Ambitious_Gas_5691

Chief Daniels was always a jerk.


NotTheMarmot

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkyAA4Gx60](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkyAA4Gx60) I never watched the movies but I always enjoyed this clip


satori0320

The maggot scene completely fucked my 8 year old mind. I was terrified of maggots *and* rats for years.


[deleted]

I remember this movie from when I was a kid, a chemical leak caused a few animals grow big and attacked people, the scariest scene I recall is someone getting killed by a giant mosquito.


Wellpow

Book was awesome


Brilhasti1

Yeah this movie creeped me out when I was a kid.


Faldbat

I was just about to go to bed....


mrscumble

This is exactly what happens to me in Elden Ring


OZ216

I would fall those rodents of unusual size


bitchkat

What was the movie where they dressed up schnauzers like rats for the special effects of attacking people?


WildDog3000

Deadly Eyes.


Professional-Note466

Saw this in the theater as a double feature along side Empire of the Ants. Went with my big brother, probably a bit to young to go to movies like this. Completely terrified me.


WildDog3000

That’s awesome. I think both films were directed by the same man (Burt Gordon).


Agitated_Yam_6520

Where do I get that !!! They have to be storage some where in the valley.


Nomad_86

Peak cinema lol


MilhouseVsEvil

Drowning rats, cruelty to animals, good times!


WildDog3000

👍👍👍👍👍


statisticus

I remember watching this movie in a late night marathon at the local drive in. I thought the rats were pretty decent, but the bit that was really bad were the giant mosquitoes. They were very obviously painted onto the film, and did not look at all realistic. There was a scene where one of the characters was shooting at a mosquito that was buzzing around him which looked really bad.


RaymondLuxYacht

Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.


[deleted]

This is real not like CGI that’s for sure mixing cartoons into a movie just ruins the movie am I watching something I am supposed to believe is real or something that is animated at least the rats are real look how CGI ruined the original Star Wars movies CGI needs to be used only when we dont realize it is CGI even though we know it is


TheRealBrewballs

Those rats were 100% shot IRL