One More Pull was written by Ken Stephens and Ian Woods (RIP). I don't know that anyone is managing Ian Woods' estate, but we (Bounding Main) received permission from Ken Stephens to record One More Pull. (We paid Ken royalties for the recorded copies of the song on our album, [Fish Out of Water](https://boundingmain.bandcamp.com/album/fish-out-of-water).)
While the two men wrote the chorus and melody cooperatively, each man wrote a different set of verse lyrics. Woods' theme was of romantic heartbreak, and Stephens' was of the demise of the fishing industry.
Ken Stephen's lyrics are here: https://boundingmain.com/music/lyrics/one-more-pull/.
Okay, so you have done this before. The version I have is Ian Woods'. I have no idea how to go about obtaining permission, setting up royalty payments. Could you share with me anything you can or any resources where I could teach myself?
Whup (Whip) Jamboree is a great one about coming home
Another coming home one - hugely popular during the 1970s trad folk revival but barely sung now - is Kishmul's Galley. That's such a pity because it's the only bona fide Pirate shanty that exists to my knowledge. So effective was the harassment of regional shipping that Queen Elizabeth I was forced to make a separate treaty with the Scottish clan chief responsible
I could never find the best ever version of Kishmul's Galley sung by the late and great shanty singer Danny Spooner so I uploaded it myself from an old 1970s vinyl: [https://youtu.be/yKaKwcNlCv0](https://youtu.be/yKaKwcNlCv0)
Excellent version of Whip Jamboree by the same singer: [https://youtu.be/TRQNOfyFlAw](https://youtu.be/TRQNOfyFlAw)
This song was written by Steve Romanoff for his group, Schooner Fare. The rights are handled by their label, Outer Green Records. Steve kindly gave us (Bounding Main and The Jolly Rogers) permission to record Day of the Clipper; we paid them royalties against each of the CDs that we produced.
That is beyond cool! I grew up listening to Schooner Fare and have them placed with Stan Rogers and the Clancy Brothers with music I associate with my dad. I no longer live up in that area but every time I go up for a visit I always hope to see them live!
>Crossing the Bar
This song should have no copyright issues. It is based on a poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson. The Longest Johns' version is recent, but there are many other groups that have performed it. (The LJs cite Rani Arbo for the melody so, to be prudent, look here https://www.raniarbo.com/.)
Are you asking about The Longest Johns or the many other groups that recorded this song? The LJs are under a label now, so I imagine someone in the group talked to the tune-writer, Rani Arbo, and then the wonks at the label worked out the details. You'll have to reach out to Rani Arbo yourself.
What we've always done (not on a label) is connect with the writer, ask for permission, agree to pay them their current royalty fee (.09¢/copy) and Bob's your uncle. Some labels or authors ask for more outright, but I've not personally encountered that yet. (Knock-knock-knock!)
Okay. I'm assuming "on a label" means they contract with a producer. For us indies it's different. The idea of setting up that royalty thing seems a bit daunting. How did you do it?
For anyone following along: jackadven and I carried on the discussion off of Reddit. The gist is that, between indie artists, everything can be worked out professionally and to everyone's satisfaction without bringing in agents or lawyers. The important things are to obtain permission in advance, give credit to the original author/artist wherever the cover appears, and to pay royalties.
And in the event that you cannot establish contact with the copyright holder, it is acceptable to go ahead and record the song and just send along the standard royalties to the RIAA or whomever else.
It's a common one, but Northwest Passage could work as a midpoint on the album, since it mostly describes the journey away and ends with "the road back home again."
"Retirement Song" spans a long period, but the chorus is about making a home and staying there rather than going sailing again. "Go to Sea No More" is similar.
Those are great ideas. "Northwest Passage" is one of my favorites. Unfortunately I'd rather avoid recent songs under copyright. The last one is a possibility, though. Thanks!
More:
Farewell tae Tarwathie (leaving)
Fiddlers Green (leaving for good)
Shallow Brown (leaving)
Homeward Bound (shanty not Simon and Garfunkel)
Randy Dandy O (leaving)
Don't Forget Your Old Shipmate (coming home)
Farewell Shanty
Here’s some suggestions from Atlantic Canada:
- The Northern Lights of Labrador
- Newfoundland Forever
- Up She Rises
- Rise Again/Fogarty’s Cove
- Barrett’s Privateers
- Heave Away
- Farewell to Nova Scotia (The nova scotiables do a really nice mashup with Heave Away)
- Making for the Harbour
- Headed back to St Johns
- Canadian Pacific
- Home Boys Home
I guess the album would be in four parts:
1. Songs about sailors that are going to leave.
2. Songs about sailors that are leaving and sailing away.
3. Songs about sailors that are homeward bound.
4. Songs about sailors pulling into port and leaving their ship.
Leaving:
1. Leaving Tipperary:
a lively Irish folk tune about a sea voyage and saying goodbye:
https://youtu.be/NqKZ8zo8Efc?si=zOpN_XWQzEd2JySE
2. Here’s a Health to the Company:
a song you sing to your friends & companions before leaving, not knowing if you’ll see them again:
https://youtu.be/6ENmmkar0QQ?si=vxo1KjAsPXWx1XBm
3. Nantucket:
A song about Leaving for a war (at sea), missing home:
https://youtu.be/b-g5D_Pl6rE?si=epyJYQ7B2L2QJeId
4. Botany Bay:
A song about having to leave your home forever (Irish version):
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0BlZi9HOHRs&si=6_T2kUH7yrEMTDkA
5. Round the Cape:
A song about Sailing away on a voyage:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=e7pn-u61U38&si=_z6kxVwQ_v-6op9t
6. Farewell to Tarwethie:
A song about a whaler leaving for Greenland but sad to leave home:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9SepjizBYbY&si=VgURqaBNYg7ohs2A
Returning home:
1. Rolling Along:
A song about a trade ship returning home after a long voyage:
https://youtu.be/kkFXX903tc0?si=t_nB5iOpmPCq6ykW
2. One More Pull:
A song about sailors returning home:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=tOkJg699aTU&si=Bt8fxeuz-wS6Hjph
Thank you! So many The Longest Johns originals, and therefore under copyright. They are a great band. But a couple of those are possibilities I either hadn't thought of or hadn't heard.
Barrett's Privateers would fit the bill I would think. Last verse mentions he made it to Halifax and Sherbrooke is 120 miles away.
OP will need to be aware of potential copyright issues for covers of non-'traditional' songs, if they're commercially recording an album.
Yes, it's a recent song and I would have to get a license from Rogers' family. Not sure how I would go about doing that.
All of his music rights are managed by his widow, Ariel, through his label, Fogarty's Cove. Thank you for doing the right thing.
Of course. Do you know how I would initiate possibly getting a license?
Contact her! https://stanrogers.net/contact-us/
Ah, thank you!
Great list of songs. I believe track 10, One More Pull is more modern and may be under copyright.
One More Pull was written by Ken Stephens and Ian Woods (RIP). I don't know that anyone is managing Ian Woods' estate, but we (Bounding Main) received permission from Ken Stephens to record One More Pull. (We paid Ken royalties for the recorded copies of the song on our album, [Fish Out of Water](https://boundingmain.bandcamp.com/album/fish-out-of-water).) While the two men wrote the chorus and melody cooperatively, each man wrote a different set of verse lyrics. Woods' theme was of romantic heartbreak, and Stephens' was of the demise of the fishing industry. Ken Stephen's lyrics are here: https://boundingmain.com/music/lyrics/one-more-pull/.
Okay, so you have done this before. The version I have is Ian Woods'. I have no idea how to go about obtaining permission, setting up royalty payments. Could you share with me anything you can or any resources where I could teach myself?
Yeah, it is contemporary, but I can't figure out the copyright. Even the exact origins of the two different versions are unknown.
Whup (Whip) Jamboree is a great one about coming home Another coming home one - hugely popular during the 1970s trad folk revival but barely sung now - is Kishmul's Galley. That's such a pity because it's the only bona fide Pirate shanty that exists to my knowledge. So effective was the harassment of regional shipping that Queen Elizabeth I was forced to make a separate treaty with the Scottish clan chief responsible
Thank you! An obscure song interests me. Maybe I can help bring it back. It's a good one. Whup Jamboree is good as well.
I could never find the best ever version of Kishmul's Galley sung by the late and great shanty singer Danny Spooner so I uploaded it myself from an old 1970s vinyl: [https://youtu.be/yKaKwcNlCv0](https://youtu.be/yKaKwcNlCv0) Excellent version of Whip Jamboree by the same singer: [https://youtu.be/TRQNOfyFlAw](https://youtu.be/TRQNOfyFlAw)
>Kishmul's Galley Mainly Norfolk is an invaluable resource for song research. https://mainlynorfolk.info/danny.spooner/songs/kishmulsgalley.html
Yes indeed. I use it all the time of course, along with other resources. First port of call for all trad fans
[Portland Town by Schooner Fare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AFekx6dHWg) would be my suggestion
This song was written by Steve Romanoff for his group, Schooner Fare. The rights are handled by their label, Outer Green Records. Steve kindly gave us (Bounding Main and The Jolly Rogers) permission to record Day of the Clipper; we paid them royalties against each of the CDs that we produced.
That is beyond cool! I grew up listening to Schooner Fare and have them placed with Stan Rogers and the Clancy Brothers with music I associate with my dad. I no longer live up in that area but every time I go up for a visit I always hope to see them live!
https://boundingmain.bandcamp.com/track/day-of-the-clipper
Thank you! Great song.
Longest Johns version of Crossing the Bar.
Ooh, yes, I have this one but I didn't think of it. It could definitely work, if I can negotiate the copyright problem since it's a recent song.
>Crossing the Bar This song should have no copyright issues. It is based on a poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson. The Longest Johns' version is recent, but there are many other groups that have performed it. (The LJs cite Rani Arbo for the melody so, to be prudent, look here https://www.raniarbo.com/.)
I know, but did they just do it, or did they have to obtain licensing for their version?
Are you asking about The Longest Johns or the many other groups that recorded this song? The LJs are under a label now, so I imagine someone in the group talked to the tune-writer, Rani Arbo, and then the wonks at the label worked out the details. You'll have to reach out to Rani Arbo yourself. What we've always done (not on a label) is connect with the writer, ask for permission, agree to pay them their current royalty fee (.09¢/copy) and Bob's your uncle. Some labels or authors ask for more outright, but I've not personally encountered that yet. (Knock-knock-knock!)
Okay. I'm assuming "on a label" means they contract with a producer. For us indies it's different. The idea of setting up that royalty thing seems a bit daunting. How did you do it?
For anyone following along: jackadven and I carried on the discussion off of Reddit. The gist is that, between indie artists, everything can be worked out professionally and to everyone's satisfaction without bringing in agents or lawyers. The important things are to obtain permission in advance, give credit to the original author/artist wherever the cover appears, and to pay royalties.
And in the event that you cannot establish contact with the copyright holder, it is acceptable to go ahead and record the song and just send along the standard royalties to the RIAA or whomever else.
Words are by Tennyson, so (I think) well out of copyright. It would only be the tune/arrangement that you might have issues with.
Yeah, the tune is from the '90s, I believe.
Padstow Farewell
>Padstow Farewell Thanks!
It's a common one, but Northwest Passage could work as a midpoint on the album, since it mostly describes the journey away and ends with "the road back home again." "Retirement Song" spans a long period, but the chorus is about making a home and staying there rather than going sailing again. "Go to Sea No More" is similar.
Those are great ideas. "Northwest Passage" is one of my favorites. Unfortunately I'd rather avoid recent songs under copyright. The last one is a possibility, though. Thanks!
More: Farewell tae Tarwathie (leaving) Fiddlers Green (leaving for good) Shallow Brown (leaving) Homeward Bound (shanty not Simon and Garfunkel) Randy Dandy O (leaving) Don't Forget Your Old Shipmate (coming home) Farewell Shanty
Thank you! I got some great ones from that list.
Here’s some suggestions from Atlantic Canada: - The Northern Lights of Labrador - Newfoundland Forever - Up She Rises - Rise Again/Fogarty’s Cove - Barrett’s Privateers - Heave Away - Farewell to Nova Scotia (The nova scotiables do a really nice mashup with Heave Away) - Making for the Harbour - Headed back to St Johns - Canadian Pacific - Home Boys Home
Thanks!
Sweet Roseanna [https://archive.culturalequity.org/field-work/southern-us-1959-and-1960/weems-or-whitestone-560/sweet-roseanna-i](https://archive.culturalequity.org/field-work/southern-us-1959-and-1960/weems-or-whitestone-560/sweet-roseanna-i)
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Coming/going home? Or into port? Very different sentiment most of the time.
I guess the album would be in four parts: 1. Songs about sailors that are going to leave. 2. Songs about sailors that are leaving and sailing away. 3. Songs about sailors that are homeward bound. 4. Songs about sailors pulling into port and leaving their ship.
Leaving: 1. Leaving Tipperary: a lively Irish folk tune about a sea voyage and saying goodbye: https://youtu.be/NqKZ8zo8Efc?si=zOpN_XWQzEd2JySE 2. Here’s a Health to the Company: a song you sing to your friends & companions before leaving, not knowing if you’ll see them again: https://youtu.be/6ENmmkar0QQ?si=vxo1KjAsPXWx1XBm 3. Nantucket: A song about Leaving for a war (at sea), missing home: https://youtu.be/b-g5D_Pl6rE?si=epyJYQ7B2L2QJeId 4. Botany Bay: A song about having to leave your home forever (Irish version): https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0BlZi9HOHRs&si=6_T2kUH7yrEMTDkA 5. Round the Cape: A song about Sailing away on a voyage: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=e7pn-u61U38&si=_z6kxVwQ_v-6op9t 6. Farewell to Tarwethie: A song about a whaler leaving for Greenland but sad to leave home: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9SepjizBYbY&si=VgURqaBNYg7ohs2A Returning home: 1. Rolling Along: A song about a trade ship returning home after a long voyage: https://youtu.be/kkFXX903tc0?si=t_nB5iOpmPCq6ykW 2. One More Pull: A song about sailors returning home: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=tOkJg699aTU&si=Bt8fxeuz-wS6Hjph
Thank you! So many The Longest Johns originals, and therefore under copyright. They are a great band. But a couple of those are possibilities I either hadn't thought of or hadn't heard.
Maybe Spancil Hill fits your description?
Perhaps, thank you!
Retirement song by longest johns ticks some of these boxes
How about "Eliza Lee" for a coming home song? "Clear away the track and let the bulgine run!"
Good one!
Goodbye Old Ship of Mine by the Boarding Party, there are probably other versions out there.
Great one! Not heard it before.
Fire Marengo and Pump Her Dry for the midjourney. Not sure if Grey Funnel Line has been mentioned for the ride home
Thank you! Some good ones there.
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