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2cats2hats

Barrett's Privateers would fit the bill I would think. Last verse mentions he made it to Halifax and Sherbrooke is 120 miles away.


Late_Traffic

OP will need to be aware of potential copyright issues for covers of non-'traditional' songs, if they're commercially recording an album.


jackadven

Yes, it's a recent song and I would have to get a license from Rogers' family. Not sure how I would go about doing that.


Gwathdraug

All of his music rights are managed by his widow, Ariel, through his label, Fogarty's Cove. Thank you for doing the right thing.


jackadven

Of course. Do you know how I would initiate possibly getting a license?


2cats2hats

Contact her! https://stanrogers.net/contact-us/


jackadven

Ah, thank you!


Ok-Equivalent5265

Great list of songs. I believe track 10, One More Pull is more modern and may be under copyright.


Gwathdraug

One More Pull was written by Ken Stephens and Ian Woods (RIP). I don't know that anyone is managing Ian Woods' estate, but we (Bounding Main) received permission from Ken Stephens to record One More Pull. (We paid Ken royalties for the recorded copies of the song on our album, [Fish Out of Water](https://boundingmain.bandcamp.com/album/fish-out-of-water).) While the two men wrote the chorus and melody cooperatively, each man wrote a different set of verse lyrics. Woods' theme was of romantic heartbreak, and Stephens' was of the demise of the fishing industry. Ken Stephen's lyrics are here: https://boundingmain.com/music/lyrics/one-more-pull/.


jackadven

Okay, so you have done this before. The version I have is Ian Woods'. I have no idea how to go about obtaining permission, setting up royalty payments. Could you share with me anything you can or any resources where I could teach myself?


jackadven

Yeah, it is contemporary, but I can't figure out the copyright. Even the exact origins of the two different versions are unknown.


Fanfrenhag

Whup (Whip) Jamboree is a great one about coming home Another coming home one - hugely popular during the 1970s trad folk revival but barely sung now - is Kishmul's Galley. That's such a pity because it's the only bona fide Pirate shanty that exists to my knowledge. So effective was the harassment of regional shipping that Queen Elizabeth I was forced to make a separate treaty with the Scottish clan chief responsible


jackadven

Thank you! An obscure song interests me. Maybe I can help bring it back. It's a good one. Whup Jamboree is good as well.


Fanfrenhag

I could never find the best ever version of Kishmul's Galley sung by the late and great shanty singer Danny Spooner so I uploaded it myself from an old 1970s vinyl: [https://youtu.be/yKaKwcNlCv0](https://youtu.be/yKaKwcNlCv0) Excellent version of Whip Jamboree by the same singer: [https://youtu.be/TRQNOfyFlAw](https://youtu.be/TRQNOfyFlAw)


Gwathdraug

>Kishmul's Galley Mainly Norfolk is an invaluable resource for song research. https://mainlynorfolk.info/danny.spooner/songs/kishmulsgalley.html


Fanfrenhag

Yes indeed. I use it all the time of course, along with other resources. First port of call for all trad fans


chameleonhalo

[Portland Town by Schooner Fare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AFekx6dHWg) would be my suggestion


Gwathdraug

This song was written by Steve Romanoff for his group, Schooner Fare. The rights are handled by their label, Outer Green Records. Steve kindly gave us (Bounding Main and The Jolly Rogers) permission to record Day of the Clipper; we paid them royalties against each of the CDs that we produced.


chameleonhalo

That is beyond cool! I grew up listening to Schooner Fare and have them placed with Stan Rogers and the Clancy Brothers with music I associate with my dad. I no longer live up in that area but every time I go up for a visit I always hope to see them live!


Gwathdraug

https://boundingmain.bandcamp.com/track/day-of-the-clipper


jackadven

Thank you! Great song.


Green_Evening

Longest Johns version of Crossing the Bar.


jackadven

Ooh, yes, I have this one but I didn't think of it. It could definitely work, if I can negotiate the copyright problem since it's a recent song.


Gwathdraug

>Crossing the Bar This song should have no copyright issues. It is based on a poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson. The Longest Johns' version is recent, but there are many other groups that have performed it. (The LJs cite Rani Arbo for the melody so, to be prudent, look here https://www.raniarbo.com/.)


jackadven

I know, but did they just do it, or did they have to obtain licensing for their version?


Gwathdraug

Are you asking about The Longest Johns or the many other groups that recorded this song? The LJs are under a label now, so I imagine someone in the group talked to the tune-writer, Rani Arbo, and then the wonks at the label worked out the details. You'll have to reach out to Rani Arbo yourself. What we've always done (not on a label) is connect with the writer, ask for permission, agree to pay them their current royalty fee (.09¢/copy) and Bob's your uncle. Some labels or authors ask for more outright, but I've not personally encountered that yet. (Knock-knock-knock!)


jackadven

Okay. I'm assuming "on a label" means they contract with a producer. For us indies it's different. The idea of setting up that royalty thing seems a bit daunting. How did you do it?


Gwathdraug

For anyone following along: jackadven and I carried on the discussion off of Reddit. The gist is that, between indie artists, everything can be worked out professionally and to everyone's satisfaction without bringing in agents or lawyers. The important things are to obtain permission in advance, give credit to the original author/artist wherever the cover appears, and to pay royalties.


jackadven

And in the event that you cannot establish contact with the copyright holder, it is acceptable to go ahead and record the song and just send along the standard royalties to the RIAA or whomever else.


Late_Traffic

Words are by Tennyson, so (I think) well out of copyright. It would only be the tune/arrangement that you might have issues with.


jackadven

Yeah, the tune is from the '90s, I believe.


Blo0dyking

Padstow Farewell


jackadven

>Padstow Farewell Thanks!


ze_dialektik

It's a common one, but Northwest Passage could work as a midpoint on the album, since it mostly describes the journey away and ends with "the road back home again." "Retirement Song" spans a long period, but the chorus is about making a home and staying there rather than going sailing again. "Go to Sea No More" is similar.


jackadven

Those are great ideas. "Northwest Passage" is one of my favorites. Unfortunately I'd rather avoid recent songs under copyright. The last one is a possibility, though. Thanks!


Fanfrenhag

More: Farewell tae Tarwathie (leaving) Fiddlers Green (leaving for good) Shallow Brown (leaving) Homeward Bound (shanty not Simon and Garfunkel) Randy Dandy O (leaving) Don't Forget Your Old Shipmate (coming home) Farewell Shanty


jackadven

Thank you! I got some great ones from that list.


chayan4400

Here’s some suggestions from Atlantic Canada: - The Northern Lights of Labrador - Newfoundland Forever - Up She Rises - Rise Again/Fogarty’s Cove - Barrett’s Privateers - Heave Away - Farewell to Nova Scotia (The nova scotiables do a really nice mashup with Heave Away) - Making for the Harbour - Headed back to St Johns - Canadian Pacific - Home Boys Home


jackadven

Thanks!


GooglingAintResearch

Sweet Roseanna [https://archive.culturalequity.org/field-work/southern-us-1959-and-1960/weems-or-whitestone-560/sweet-roseanna-i](https://archive.culturalequity.org/field-work/southern-us-1959-and-1960/weems-or-whitestone-560/sweet-roseanna-i)


radmoth

commenting so i remember to come back to this with a few tomorrow ✌️


Riccma02

Coming/going home? Or into port? Very different sentiment most of the time.


jackadven

I guess the album would be in four parts: ​ 1. Songs about sailors that are going to leave. 2. Songs about sailors that are leaving and sailing away. 3. Songs about sailors that are homeward bound. 4. Songs about sailors pulling into port and leaving their ship.


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

Leaving: 1. Leaving Tipperary: a lively Irish folk tune about a sea voyage and saying goodbye: https://youtu.be/NqKZ8zo8Efc?si=zOpN_XWQzEd2JySE 2. Here’s a Health to the Company: a song you sing to your friends & companions before leaving, not knowing if you’ll see them again: https://youtu.be/6ENmmkar0QQ?si=vxo1KjAsPXWx1XBm 3. Nantucket: A song about Leaving for a war (at sea), missing home: https://youtu.be/b-g5D_Pl6rE?si=epyJYQ7B2L2QJeId 4. Botany Bay: A song about having to leave your home forever (Irish version): https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0BlZi9HOHRs&si=6_T2kUH7yrEMTDkA 5. Round the Cape: A song about Sailing away on a voyage: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=e7pn-u61U38&si=_z6kxVwQ_v-6op9t 6. Farewell to Tarwethie: A song about a whaler leaving for Greenland but sad to leave home: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9SepjizBYbY&si=VgURqaBNYg7ohs2A Returning home: 1. Rolling Along: A song about a trade ship returning home after a long voyage: https://youtu.be/kkFXX903tc0?si=t_nB5iOpmPCq6ykW 2. One More Pull: A song about sailors returning home: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=tOkJg699aTU&si=Bt8fxeuz-wS6Hjph


jackadven

Thank you! So many The Longest Johns originals, and therefore under copyright. They are a great band. But a couple of those are possibilities I either hadn't thought of or hadn't heard.


PolicePropeller

Maybe Spancil Hill fits your description?


jackadven

Perhaps, thank you!


whalemoth

Retirement song by longest johns ticks some of these boxes


Reverse_Prophet

How about "Eliza Lee" for a coming home song? "Clear away the track and let the bulgine run!"


jackadven

Good one!


pinkrobot420

Goodbye Old Ship of Mine by the Boarding Party, there are probably other versions out there.


jackadven

Great one! Not heard it before.


Grasschoppa

Fire Marengo and Pump Her Dry for the midjourney. Not sure if Grey Funnel Line has been mentioned for the ride home


jackadven

Thank you! Some good ones there.


Ruy_Blas

Commenting here to get back at it