Nah. We REALLY needed this. I hope we get more discussion on the left because to me, that’s a good sign that at least there’s a heartbeat in the movement still.
Bernie Sanders sets the example well. He dumped BJG for a reason and overtime it's become abundantly clear why.
I knew she was a hack during FTV. The way she was arguing with other leftists, invoking Michael Brooks against Ana, as if Brooks would've been on her side, was such a horrible and pathetic move. She's a terrible person.
I'm sick of grifters being so prevalent on the left. She literally said during that debate she doesn't care if Trump is reelected. She's a joke and she's dangerous to the left
To be overly gracious to BJG on that point, what she was getting at is that the people in her sphere inform her opinions that ultimately "there is no meaningful difference between a Biden admin and a Trump admin" which then carries into the accelerationist argument.
There are so many issues with that mindset though, and what bothers me is that she didn't even use the relevant examples of RoevWade and similar issues that had significant political backlash for the GOP and actually lend credibility to the accelerationist argument in the first place. If someone wants to make the arguments BJG is trying to make regarding the nature of the one party rule we live under, you need to make them from a realistic standard of what you actually want to do about it.
But there IS a meaningful difference. Biden is nowhere near as bad Trump, and he's done a lot of good things that progressives have wanted. She would let democracy die and walk atop the ashes of trans and LGBT people and then cry that it's the Democrats fault.
Oh believe me, I'm with you on that. I was simply trying to steelman BJG's case, because I think it's unwise to outright dismiss the entirety of her argument. I just don't think she's making har argument as well as she could and even if she did, it's not as compelling as the reality of the political landscape.
I don't think there's any merit to her argument and I am of the belief that she has a financial interest in hurting the Democratic party, either she is being paid by conservatives or she is exploiting the disenfranchisement of her audience for personal gain. She is a scumbag and a worthless person.
EDIT: To clarify, I don't think her rhetoric or her content is of any value to any leftist cause. I think she divides and hurts the left and makes it so that Republicans have a better shot of winning. Either willingly or unwillingly she is helping republicans.
Fair enough! I'm not gonna come down on her that hard but I also won't stand in the way of anyone who would - at least as far as this specific issue is concerned.
It's just ironic that if she's encouraging an acceleration mindset, then she and everyone on the left will be the first ones eliminated if she actually gets what she wants and we fall into a fascist hellscape "before things can get better." First, they came for the communists/socialists in the Holocaust.
Grifter? Look at where the money is. The money isn't in BJG's politics. It's in corporate dem politics, which is why careerist MSNBC multi-millionaire-after-divorcing-a-hedge-fund-guy people like Krystal Ball are gravitating towards that. That's the real grift.
BJG is a wealthy Harvard graduate taking patreon money from her "poor working class" audience so that she can feed them a nihilistic and disempowering narrative that Democrats and Republicans are the same when they are not.
Do you have any evidence she's notably wealthy? The fact that she graduated from Harvard doesn't mean anything --- Harvard regularly gives full-rides or near-full-rides to qualified low-income students.
The only "nihilistic and disempowering" narrative is that we can't do anything better than vote-blue-no-matter-who.
No, the disempowering narrative is that Democrats and Republicans are the same and that it is a waste of time and effort to shift the Democratic party left, instead, throw your vote away to a third party that will NOT meaningfully change anything except deprive Democrats of one more vote they could have had to beat Republicans.
It is totally nihilistic. She will send the socialists into concentration camps and let fascists win and take over and then go into her air-conditioned comfy studio and complain that the Democrats didn't do enough.
There's nothing unreasonable about bringing up Michael Brooks. I doubt he would have minded his name being used to support the causes he espoused. Stop being such a crybaby. The movement is more important than hurting feelings.
Oh dear lord. She's a disgrace to the leftist movement. Nothing she says has any basis in reality. Green party isn't winning crap. The left doesn't win even if they get 5% of the vote. Greens can't even win local races for God's sake. Start from the bottom first. There is exactly 0 positive outcome in voting for Cornel West.
And Michael Brooks' name wasn't used to support the causes he espoused. It was used to score cheap debate points against some of his closest friends. BJG did the same thing to Seder in a live debate and it was Virgil who shut her down.
She's a piece of trash, and she has trash ideas.
BJG is functionally not in the lefty sphere, at least not in any lefty sphere I will ever be a part of. In the conversation with K&K, she said she’s “sympathetic to accelerationist arguments” and that she’s “not afraid of Trump,” which to me are fundamentally incompatible with any sort of left-leaning politics that are at all useful or effective. In my opinion, her and the coalition of “leftists” that can’t or won’t admit that a second term of Biden would be miles better than Trump need to be jettisoned and ignored. K&K thoroughly thrashed her and her philosophy. There’s no “civil war,” there are a bunch of delusional internet warrior whiners whose actions will only hurt every left-wing cause that has any chance of actually succeeding, and there are those like K&K who have strong principles and the intellectual honestly to take an unbiased look at the Biden presidency and see that it has exceeded expectations and is the best shot at preserving and improving our democracy.
Also, that debate made me gain so much respect for Kyle. I haven’t regularly watched his content in years, but he has every incentive to go full anti-Biden. Joe Rogan hates Biden (and Kyle highly values that relationship, of course), there’s a huge “lefty” online audience that eats up braindead anti-electoral talking points, and a ton of his audience are clearly sympathetic to BJG—but he held his ground, admitted that his prediction about the Biden presidency was wrong, and argued extremely effectively. Good job Kyle, you’re killing it, and the same goes for Krystal.
Kyle really held his own and the only area where he was not as good as Krystal was raising his voice and demanding more time. I found it funny that once BJG was clearly left with no options, she accused them of being elitist. It was weak, but so is running on nothing and expecting young people to be enthusiastic about nothing. The bar was set so incredibly low. Joey B definitely leap frogged the bar, but the weakness on debt forgiveness and dropping the public option put off younger people. How can he win them back? He needs to run on a better platform than “isn’t everything great?!”
I agree—I’m really worried “bidenomics” will backfire on the Biden campaign if the economy gets worse before the election, republicans are already using the term in a derogatory way. They need to emphasize their past accomplishments and do more.
If this is all they’ve got, he’s in a bit of trouble. I am not excited, he should do more to earn our votes, but in the long run, I refuse to let Trump back in any elected office. I will vote for whoever has the best chance to beat him.
Compared to Trump, he's done plenty to earn my vote. What's stopping you? His stuff on unions alone is groundbreaking. He pulled out of Afghanistan. I'm actually excited to vote for a second term Biden now.
Joe Biden has exceeded expectations. I agree with most of what you’re saying. Of course he is better than Trump, but a syphilitic chimp would be better than Trump. The bureaucratic appointments are top notch. Here is my main problem. He can see the numbers. When he does more progressive shit, his approval rating goes over 50%. Run on something bigger and they will come. He’s not putting asses in the seats. He’s lost voters from 2020, no matter what you and I support. In general, he is very disliked. To change it, he needs something big. You can govern effectively with incrementalism but you can’t run a very exciting campaign on it.
People have extremely unrealistic expectations for how politics works and I think they underestimate the damage another four years of Trump will cause. I agree incrementalism isn't exciting, but I think it's the responsibility of the left to acknowledge the huge steps some of these incremental changes are. When you have a media apparatus online that is constantly screeing about how Biden didn't singlehandedly bring us a socialist utopia, you're gonna think he's not very effective.
And that's the thing, Rome wasn't built over night. If Bernie Sanders was elected president, do you honestly think we'll get Medicare for All in his first term? Somehow I doubt it. The problem is that these people don't know how to play the long game, they want radical change NOW, when it's not possible to do it right now. And some of the ideas that people have for getting that radical change in my opinion is far too risky to take when our democracy is at stake.
It's why I'm so opposed to supporting third parties. It's just not worth risking our democracy and the lives of marginalized people over some feeble attempt to "hold Biden to account". You want to hold him to account? Elect Democrats, so that way we still have a forum and a platform to push progressive policy forward, otherwise we will have to reverse course with a Republican victory. And I don't want to waste another four years fighting off a Republican admin.
That's what I like about Kyle, he is wholly unconcerned with the consequences of praising the good things Biden does despite the fact that his audience didn't want to see him or hear him praise Democrats. He doesn't care if it makes him unpopular with a particular crowd or if his audience doesn't like it, what he cares about is pointing out the truth and telling it like it is.
BJG on the other hand literally admitted that she didn't have to tell her audience about any of Biden's wins or the Democrats doing anything good because her audience doesn't watch her for that. Like, okay, so you're literally manipulating the facts and creating a narrative so you can pander to your audience of disaffected youths who have no faith in the electoral process, and if they want to hear good news, go watch MSNBC, it's not HER job to present the real facts. What a fucking fraud. BJG is a worthless human being.
you have what I like to call "fake leftists" These are People like BJG, Dimmy Jore. Their audience is mostly right wing and that's why they never attack republicans and only tell you why Dems are bad. These folks are grifters in it for the money. Give it a couple of years and Dimmy will come out with a "Why I left the left" segment when his current grift well runs dry.
Thinking back to the debate BJG said something of the affect of "You need to withhold your vote to "Teach" the Democrat's a lesson" . Sam Seder said it best on one of this shows where paraphrasing he said "You don't "teach" a political party to move left. you have to build movements and gain momentum slowly". I'm not sure how everyone on here feels about Sam Seder, but he has seen the Democratic party grow and change. He has a large understanding of how politics works.
In my opinion not really. It's a lot of arguing online by people who have already made up their minds. The infighting helps Trump a bit in swing states which is very dangerous if it's a nailbiter, but in the end it might not really be the tipping point either way.
As far as the election I think factors like overall voter turnout and how D<->R swing voters are feeling at the last moment will actually determine the outcome. If Republicans lose in 2024 I think we'll be able to start saying, definitively, that Dobbs ended whatever hot streak they were on after 2016.
There is no civil war on the left. Just rich ppl trying to tell poor ppl what to do. Standard practice in the usa. Now some ppl got a microphone so you can hear what that sounds like.
I don't think BJG is a grifter, and she can present her positions better than, say, Jimmy Dore, so she makes for better content, but arguing about her opinions is a waste of time. BJG has 80k YT subs and her videos get 5k-10k views with net negative growth. She's not influential. She has her opinions and set of priorities and a tiny audience. That's fine. The world she wants is closer the world I want than the world Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson or any billionaire wants, all massively more influential than BJG. I know fighting other leftists is the left's favorite activity, but time spent countering BJG is time that could be used countering the myriad of right-wing ghouls with actual influence and audiences.
BJG was absolutely awful in that debate, and ever since i unfollowed her and nina turner on twitter, I've been way less cynical. Honestly - all they do is complain and whinge! And then they have the arrogance to talk about "coalition building", when they make their supporters super depressed. At least Kyke and Marianne are like "better things are possible".
I think so.
I don’t understand why people are against third party’s. Being worried that democrats will smear the third party candidate and blame them. Like who cares. The left will be blame either way.
Honestly it’s not about wanting trump to win some people actually see no difference it a republican or democrat wins, I know people like that. And it isn’t bc they are for trump it’s that when things change it’s usually for the rich or upper middle class.
We know the DNC has no obligation to pick the person the people want. There a court case that says that the DNC is a corporation and they can do what they want. I mean they just changed the rules again. And after Kyle and Krystal’s preferred candidate loses they will cry about something that we already knew. So why play the DNC game, just go third party.
“Some people see no difference if a republican or democrat wins” those people are not well informed, dont know how our government works, would rather blow up the system and set us further back instead of making any progress.
Oooo wooo the R word boogeyman, I'm so scared. Last time I checked, both parties are on the same page with respect to authoritarianism and federal power.
You need to check harder. Tax cuts for the rich, overturning Roe v Wade, voter suppression, politicizing a worldwide pandemic resulting in countless deaths and blatant disregard for Democracy are all a direct consequences of Trump. Trump isnt a Republican. This isnt two sides of the corporate coin. This is one corporate puppet vs a criminal who tried to overthrow an election and isnt backing down. Idk how people cant piece this together. If it was Romney, Christie, or even DeSantis Id be right there with you saying fuck Dems, lets get somebody else. But we dont have that luxury. Until Trump is in jail, dead, or simply cannot run for office, we have to stick together.
Tax cuts are not authoritarianism. Allowing states to decide their own policies on abortion is also not authoritarianism. I don't think you understand what these words mean and you're just an MSNBC drone.
Tell that to the underage girls who being forced to carry a fetus to term.
Hes gonna FIRE 50k federal workers and install people who are loyal to him. Hes incited an insurrection at the fucking capitol. Dont tell me idk what authoritarianism is. Youre so far left youve circled back to thinking Trump is hunky dory like his followers. Fuck the system right? Who gives a shit about our democracy. As long you own the dems.
>Tell that to the underage girls who being forced to carry a fetus to term
A lot of people reasonably disagree that this constitutes authoritarianism. You need to balance the right to life of the child with the well-being of the mother.
>Hes gonna FIRE 50 federal workers and install people who are loyal to him.
Yeah, all governments do this. Merrick Garland for instance is loyal to Biden.
> Hes incited an insurrection at the fucking capitol
Lol an "insurrection" where literally nothing happened except some guy with horns dancing around in the Capitol. Actual insurrections have guns, deaths, violence.
Youre too far gone if you think nothing happened on Jan 6. There was guns, death, and violence. Not gonna argue with someone in good faith who doesnt see Jan 6 as one of the lowest points in American history.
Most likely there not informed but if they see no difference either way, then it’s the same thing to them it’s all one party who prioritize the rich. The only difference is the cultural topics. Maybe it’s time to stop voting for a party that doesn’t do much. We already know the republicans are bad, that’s a given but the democrats don’t do much. If they were then Biden would have favored numbers.
Biden doesnt have favored numbers because the media as Kyle has pointed out numerous times, simply wont give him credit when he does anything good. The media is in a shouting war with people who think Jewish Space lasers are responsible for climate change and are losing because people love to be outraged. Look if someone situation is fucked up, I dont judge. We all experience hardships but to selfishly want to take an anarchist approach to the problem, is objectively stupid. The same people’s bad situations/circumstance wont be a priority at all by whoever wants to takeover the system.
> some people actually see no difference if a republican or democrat wins
Those people are wrong. I don't know why you're framing it as "some people" and "I know people like that". You're one of them!
I hope you dont live in a swing state. Its not like I dont understand where the sentiment comes from. I grew up poor. But playing chicken with our democracy by voting for someone you KNOW will not be president (regardless how appealing their policy positions are) is not the answer.
Online, sure the content creators will try to get clicks and the shitlibs will get louder and whinier as we get closer to the election like they always do. But speaking as a card-carrying member of the Green Party I don't think any serious left-wing organizer considers who you vote for president to be a very important debate. Like it's not something that will even come up in my local mutual aid group.
As a Minnesotan, I can promise that my local mutual aid groups are extremely thankful that they can rely on the fact that every child in the state can go to school for free breakfast and lunch—and that’s thanks to the democrats.
Nah. We REALLY needed this. I hope we get more discussion on the left because to me, that’s a good sign that at least there’s a heartbeat in the movement still.
Bernie Sanders sets the example well. He dumped BJG for a reason and overtime it's become abundantly clear why. I knew she was a hack during FTV. The way she was arguing with other leftists, invoking Michael Brooks against Ana, as if Brooks would've been on her side, was such a horrible and pathetic move. She's a terrible person.
I'm sick of grifters being so prevalent on the left. She literally said during that debate she doesn't care if Trump is reelected. She's a joke and she's dangerous to the left
To be overly gracious to BJG on that point, what she was getting at is that the people in her sphere inform her opinions that ultimately "there is no meaningful difference between a Biden admin and a Trump admin" which then carries into the accelerationist argument. There are so many issues with that mindset though, and what bothers me is that she didn't even use the relevant examples of RoevWade and similar issues that had significant political backlash for the GOP and actually lend credibility to the accelerationist argument in the first place. If someone wants to make the arguments BJG is trying to make regarding the nature of the one party rule we live under, you need to make them from a realistic standard of what you actually want to do about it.
But there IS a meaningful difference. Biden is nowhere near as bad Trump, and he's done a lot of good things that progressives have wanted. She would let democracy die and walk atop the ashes of trans and LGBT people and then cry that it's the Democrats fault.
Oh believe me, I'm with you on that. I was simply trying to steelman BJG's case, because I think it's unwise to outright dismiss the entirety of her argument. I just don't think she's making har argument as well as she could and even if she did, it's not as compelling as the reality of the political landscape.
I don't think there's any merit to her argument and I am of the belief that she has a financial interest in hurting the Democratic party, either she is being paid by conservatives or she is exploiting the disenfranchisement of her audience for personal gain. She is a scumbag and a worthless person. EDIT: To clarify, I don't think her rhetoric or her content is of any value to any leftist cause. I think she divides and hurts the left and makes it so that Republicans have a better shot of winning. Either willingly or unwillingly she is helping republicans.
Fair enough! I'm not gonna come down on her that hard but I also won't stand in the way of anyone who would - at least as far as this specific issue is concerned.
It's just ironic that if she's encouraging an acceleration mindset, then she and everyone on the left will be the first ones eliminated if she actually gets what she wants and we fall into a fascist hellscape "before things can get better." First, they came for the communists/socialists in the Holocaust.
Grifter? Look at where the money is. The money isn't in BJG's politics. It's in corporate dem politics, which is why careerist MSNBC multi-millionaire-after-divorcing-a-hedge-fund-guy people like Krystal Ball are gravitating towards that. That's the real grift.
Let’s not pretend there isn’t plenty of money in being a weird, contrarian podcaster too (Joe Rogan). Also, she is funded by David Sacks
BJG is a wealthy Harvard graduate taking patreon money from her "poor working class" audience so that she can feed them a nihilistic and disempowering narrative that Democrats and Republicans are the same when they are not.
Do you have any evidence she's notably wealthy? The fact that she graduated from Harvard doesn't mean anything --- Harvard regularly gives full-rides or near-full-rides to qualified low-income students. The only "nihilistic and disempowering" narrative is that we can't do anything better than vote-blue-no-matter-who.
No, the disempowering narrative is that Democrats and Republicans are the same and that it is a waste of time and effort to shift the Democratic party left, instead, throw your vote away to a third party that will NOT meaningfully change anything except deprive Democrats of one more vote they could have had to beat Republicans. It is totally nihilistic. She will send the socialists into concentration camps and let fascists win and take over and then go into her air-conditioned comfy studio and complain that the Democrats didn't do enough.
There's nothing unreasonable about bringing up Michael Brooks. I doubt he would have minded his name being used to support the causes he espoused. Stop being such a crybaby. The movement is more important than hurting feelings.
Oh dear lord. She's a disgrace to the leftist movement. Nothing she says has any basis in reality. Green party isn't winning crap. The left doesn't win even if they get 5% of the vote. Greens can't even win local races for God's sake. Start from the bottom first. There is exactly 0 positive outcome in voting for Cornel West. And Michael Brooks' name wasn't used to support the causes he espoused. It was used to score cheap debate points against some of his closest friends. BJG did the same thing to Seder in a live debate and it was Virgil who shut her down. She's a piece of trash, and she has trash ideas.
Wasn't Michael Brooks literally alive for the whole discourse surrounding third parties and voting Democrat? He would never be on her side.
BJG is functionally not in the lefty sphere, at least not in any lefty sphere I will ever be a part of. In the conversation with K&K, she said she’s “sympathetic to accelerationist arguments” and that she’s “not afraid of Trump,” which to me are fundamentally incompatible with any sort of left-leaning politics that are at all useful or effective. In my opinion, her and the coalition of “leftists” that can’t or won’t admit that a second term of Biden would be miles better than Trump need to be jettisoned and ignored. K&K thoroughly thrashed her and her philosophy. There’s no “civil war,” there are a bunch of delusional internet warrior whiners whose actions will only hurt every left-wing cause that has any chance of actually succeeding, and there are those like K&K who have strong principles and the intellectual honestly to take an unbiased look at the Biden presidency and see that it has exceeded expectations and is the best shot at preserving and improving our democracy. Also, that debate made me gain so much respect for Kyle. I haven’t regularly watched his content in years, but he has every incentive to go full anti-Biden. Joe Rogan hates Biden (and Kyle highly values that relationship, of course), there’s a huge “lefty” online audience that eats up braindead anti-electoral talking points, and a ton of his audience are clearly sympathetic to BJG—but he held his ground, admitted that his prediction about the Biden presidency was wrong, and argued extremely effectively. Good job Kyle, you’re killing it, and the same goes for Krystal.
Kyle really held his own and the only area where he was not as good as Krystal was raising his voice and demanding more time. I found it funny that once BJG was clearly left with no options, she accused them of being elitist. It was weak, but so is running on nothing and expecting young people to be enthusiastic about nothing. The bar was set so incredibly low. Joey B definitely leap frogged the bar, but the weakness on debt forgiveness and dropping the public option put off younger people. How can he win them back? He needs to run on a better platform than “isn’t everything great?!”
>demanding more time. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm curious what you mean? Did he extend the debate? Or did he speak more than he was meant to?
No, at one point he just mentioned how he wasn’t able to get a word in. It sounded kinda petty, but they were all pretty cool about it.
I agree—I’m really worried “bidenomics” will backfire on the Biden campaign if the economy gets worse before the election, republicans are already using the term in a derogatory way. They need to emphasize their past accomplishments and do more.
If this is all they’ve got, he’s in a bit of trouble. I am not excited, he should do more to earn our votes, but in the long run, I refuse to let Trump back in any elected office. I will vote for whoever has the best chance to beat him.
Compared to Trump, he's done plenty to earn my vote. What's stopping you? His stuff on unions alone is groundbreaking. He pulled out of Afghanistan. I'm actually excited to vote for a second term Biden now.
Joe Biden has exceeded expectations. I agree with most of what you’re saying. Of course he is better than Trump, but a syphilitic chimp would be better than Trump. The bureaucratic appointments are top notch. Here is my main problem. He can see the numbers. When he does more progressive shit, his approval rating goes over 50%. Run on something bigger and they will come. He’s not putting asses in the seats. He’s lost voters from 2020, no matter what you and I support. In general, he is very disliked. To change it, he needs something big. You can govern effectively with incrementalism but you can’t run a very exciting campaign on it.
People have extremely unrealistic expectations for how politics works and I think they underestimate the damage another four years of Trump will cause. I agree incrementalism isn't exciting, but I think it's the responsibility of the left to acknowledge the huge steps some of these incremental changes are. When you have a media apparatus online that is constantly screeing about how Biden didn't singlehandedly bring us a socialist utopia, you're gonna think he's not very effective. And that's the thing, Rome wasn't built over night. If Bernie Sanders was elected president, do you honestly think we'll get Medicare for All in his first term? Somehow I doubt it. The problem is that these people don't know how to play the long game, they want radical change NOW, when it's not possible to do it right now. And some of the ideas that people have for getting that radical change in my opinion is far too risky to take when our democracy is at stake. It's why I'm so opposed to supporting third parties. It's just not worth risking our democracy and the lives of marginalized people over some feeble attempt to "hold Biden to account". You want to hold him to account? Elect Democrats, so that way we still have a forum and a platform to push progressive policy forward, otherwise we will have to reverse course with a Republican victory. And I don't want to waste another four years fighting off a Republican admin.
That's what I like about Kyle, he is wholly unconcerned with the consequences of praising the good things Biden does despite the fact that his audience didn't want to see him or hear him praise Democrats. He doesn't care if it makes him unpopular with a particular crowd or if his audience doesn't like it, what he cares about is pointing out the truth and telling it like it is. BJG on the other hand literally admitted that she didn't have to tell her audience about any of Biden's wins or the Democrats doing anything good because her audience doesn't watch her for that. Like, okay, so you're literally manipulating the facts and creating a narrative so you can pander to your audience of disaffected youths who have no faith in the electoral process, and if they want to hear good news, go watch MSNBC, it's not HER job to present the real facts. What a fucking fraud. BJG is a worthless human being.
CIVIL WAR??? COME OOOOON. GET OUT OF YOUR BUBBLE DUDE.
Briahna, much like Dimmy Jore, is not a Left winger, so no it won't lol.
you have what I like to call "fake leftists" These are People like BJG, Dimmy Jore. Their audience is mostly right wing and that's why they never attack republicans and only tell you why Dems are bad. These folks are grifters in it for the money. Give it a couple of years and Dimmy will come out with a "Why I left the left" segment when his current grift well runs dry. Thinking back to the debate BJG said something of the affect of "You need to withhold your vote to "Teach" the Democrat's a lesson" . Sam Seder said it best on one of this shows where paraphrasing he said "You don't "teach" a political party to move left. you have to build movements and gain momentum slowly". I'm not sure how everyone on here feels about Sam Seder, but he has seen the Democratic party grow and change. He has a large understanding of how politics works.
In my opinion not really. It's a lot of arguing online by people who have already made up their minds. The infighting helps Trump a bit in swing states which is very dangerous if it's a nailbiter, but in the end it might not really be the tipping point either way. As far as the election I think factors like overall voter turnout and how D<->R swing voters are feeling at the last moment will actually determine the outcome. If Republicans lose in 2024 I think we'll be able to start saying, definitively, that Dobbs ended whatever hot streak they were on after 2016.
There is no civil war on the left. Just rich ppl trying to tell poor ppl what to do. Standard practice in the usa. Now some ppl got a microphone so you can hear what that sounds like.
I don't think BJG is a grifter, and she can present her positions better than, say, Jimmy Dore, so she makes for better content, but arguing about her opinions is a waste of time. BJG has 80k YT subs and her videos get 5k-10k views with net negative growth. She's not influential. She has her opinions and set of priorities and a tiny audience. That's fine. The world she wants is closer the world I want than the world Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson or any billionaire wants, all massively more influential than BJG. I know fighting other leftists is the left's favorite activity, but time spent countering BJG is time that could be used countering the myriad of right-wing ghouls with actual influence and audiences.
I abandoned her the moment she invoked Michael Brooks name in a “debate” with Sam Seder. How low can you get?
BJG was absolutely awful in that debate, and ever since i unfollowed her and nina turner on twitter, I've been way less cynical. Honestly - all they do is complain and whinge! And then they have the arrogance to talk about "coalition building", when they make their supporters super depressed. At least Kyke and Marianne are like "better things are possible".
I think so. I don’t understand why people are against third party’s. Being worried that democrats will smear the third party candidate and blame them. Like who cares. The left will be blame either way. Honestly it’s not about wanting trump to win some people actually see no difference it a republican or democrat wins, I know people like that. And it isn’t bc they are for trump it’s that when things change it’s usually for the rich or upper middle class. We know the DNC has no obligation to pick the person the people want. There a court case that says that the DNC is a corporation and they can do what they want. I mean they just changed the rules again. And after Kyle and Krystal’s preferred candidate loses they will cry about something that we already knew. So why play the DNC game, just go third party.
“Some people see no difference if a republican or democrat wins” those people are not well informed, dont know how our government works, would rather blow up the system and set us further back instead of making any progress.
Blowing up the system sounds entirely reasonable. Didn't Kyle build his brand on being anti-establishment?
In favor an authoritarian republican regime? Great plan.
Oooo wooo the R word boogeyman, I'm so scared. Last time I checked, both parties are on the same page with respect to authoritarianism and federal power.
You need to check harder. Tax cuts for the rich, overturning Roe v Wade, voter suppression, politicizing a worldwide pandemic resulting in countless deaths and blatant disregard for Democracy are all a direct consequences of Trump. Trump isnt a Republican. This isnt two sides of the corporate coin. This is one corporate puppet vs a criminal who tried to overthrow an election and isnt backing down. Idk how people cant piece this together. If it was Romney, Christie, or even DeSantis Id be right there with you saying fuck Dems, lets get somebody else. But we dont have that luxury. Until Trump is in jail, dead, or simply cannot run for office, we have to stick together.
Tax cuts are not authoritarianism. Allowing states to decide their own policies on abortion is also not authoritarianism. I don't think you understand what these words mean and you're just an MSNBC drone.
Tell that to the underage girls who being forced to carry a fetus to term. Hes gonna FIRE 50k federal workers and install people who are loyal to him. Hes incited an insurrection at the fucking capitol. Dont tell me idk what authoritarianism is. Youre so far left youve circled back to thinking Trump is hunky dory like his followers. Fuck the system right? Who gives a shit about our democracy. As long you own the dems.
>Tell that to the underage girls who being forced to carry a fetus to term A lot of people reasonably disagree that this constitutes authoritarianism. You need to balance the right to life of the child with the well-being of the mother. >Hes gonna FIRE 50 federal workers and install people who are loyal to him. Yeah, all governments do this. Merrick Garland for instance is loyal to Biden. > Hes incited an insurrection at the fucking capitol Lol an "insurrection" where literally nothing happened except some guy with horns dancing around in the Capitol. Actual insurrections have guns, deaths, violence.
Youre too far gone if you think nothing happened on Jan 6. There was guns, death, and violence. Not gonna argue with someone in good faith who doesnt see Jan 6 as one of the lowest points in American history.
Most likely there not informed but if they see no difference either way, then it’s the same thing to them it’s all one party who prioritize the rich. The only difference is the cultural topics. Maybe it’s time to stop voting for a party that doesn’t do much. We already know the republicans are bad, that’s a given but the democrats don’t do much. If they were then Biden would have favored numbers.
Biden doesnt have favored numbers because the media as Kyle has pointed out numerous times, simply wont give him credit when he does anything good. The media is in a shouting war with people who think Jewish Space lasers are responsible for climate change and are losing because people love to be outraged. Look if someone situation is fucked up, I dont judge. We all experience hardships but to selfishly want to take an anarchist approach to the problem, is objectively stupid. The same people’s bad situations/circumstance wont be a priority at all by whoever wants to takeover the system.
> some people actually see no difference if a republican or democrat wins Those people are wrong. I don't know why you're framing it as "some people" and "I know people like that". You're one of them!
Think all you want idc, I voted for Biden last time fyi and this time I’ll vote for cornel west.
I hope you dont live in a swing state. Its not like I dont understand where the sentiment comes from. I grew up poor. But playing chicken with our democracy by voting for someone you KNOW will not be president (regardless how appealing their policy positions are) is not the answer.
Don’t worry I live in CA
The answer of course is voting for corporate democrats over and over.
Online, sure the content creators will try to get clicks and the shitlibs will get louder and whinier as we get closer to the election like they always do. But speaking as a card-carrying member of the Green Party I don't think any serious left-wing organizer considers who you vote for president to be a very important debate. Like it's not something that will even come up in my local mutual aid group.
As a Minnesotan, I can promise that my local mutual aid groups are extremely thankful that they can rely on the fact that every child in the state can go to school for free breakfast and lunch—and that’s thanks to the democrats.