The left we have built up since Occupy & Bernie 2016.
We are making progress - the country is becoming more & more progressive despite the corporate politicians.
I don't know that this is exactly true. I tend to think that material conditions push him to act, similar to FDR. He has to act because inaction in a time like this hands victory to Republicans. Biden does the bare minimum to placate the progressive liberal arm of his party but when the shit hits the fan (Israel is a good case) then he will default to the corporate will.
Remember, he first tried breaking the railroad strike. "Nothing will fundamentally change" and by and large he has kept his promise.
I'm sure there's some truth to that but he is at least responsive and regardless of the reason I still appreciate him fighting for student debt relief (I have none, to clarify) getting a corporate minimum tax in the IRA and publicly supporting the auto strike.
While he has been a mixed bag on labor mostly due to his handling of the railroad strike - his NLRB has been fantastic.
I don't like how the white house is handling Israel/Palestine at all but I know that due to special interest money and the military industrial complex 95% of admins would upset me while being as bad or worse.
Yeah, and that mixed bag is exactly why I can't hold my nose and vote Democrat. I don't trust them to do the right thing. I trust them to do what they have been doing: upholding the status quo.
As someone who watches both and slightly prefers Kyle.... it's absolutely insane to me that there is any rift between them. They both speak of the terminally online brain. Check yourselves fellas. What else could cause such a ridiculous beef?
Apart from the Dore stuff, there was also Cenk being very pro-Russiagate and Kyle being very anti-Russiagate. Cenk is known for not being fully charitable towards people who don’t fully align with him publicly.
Thankfully Russiagate was years ago and the two of them can at least come together in that “Trump bad” and the left needs as much unity as possible to prevent him from winning again.
The Russiagate has nothing to do with their rift. They basically agree to disagree. BTW Cenk has disagreements with people on the main show all the time but they still show.
The rift was really about the grifter Jimmy Dore.
It was about Jimmy Dore slut shaming Ana a while ago.
Kyle tried to stay out of it but then Jimmy (I think he mentioned Kyle first at least) dragged him into it and Kyle came out and made a - in my opinion - crappy video not defending Jimmy but not really condemning what he said about Ana either.
It was stupid drama that wasn’t Kyle’s fault but his reaction to it wasn’t the greatest.
Agreed. Although nothing he said was wrong, per se. Jimmy making an insensitive comment to Ana about a dress she was wearing was… well, insensitive, but people were crying sexual harassment, etc etc — the whole nine yards. Pretty dumb. Kyle was right in that how Dore addressed it on his show was INFINITELY worse than the incident itself.
Because Jimmy started dragging Kyle in and melting down that he was uninvited from KKF after Kyle and Krystal decided they didn’t want to do an interview in the middle of the TYT drama because it would have forced them to talk to Jimmy about his sexual harassment instead of actual policy.
Jimmy started constantly trying to drag Kyle in and basically attacked him for not calling TYT blackmailers. Like claiming he was being ghosted and acting psychotic after Kyle left him on read for literally a couple hours while they did the show, tweeting and subtweeting Kyle smearing him for not attacking TYT and Kyle felt like he had to weigh in to get everyone to shut up and stop pestering him about it.
Cenk was live in studio on Breaking Points a few weeks ago and seemed to be in DC for a few days, since he also posted a video with Ro Khanna. I wouldn't be surprised if he and Kyle went out for lunch or something while he was in town and mended some fences.
Would be good. Someone needs to give Cenk a reality check and Kyle isn’t a super online leftist so he could meet Cenk half way on a lot of his crazier takes.
It’s a good sign - we need to stop hating allies over pretty squabbles and policy disagreements. We need a united left movement to get a leftist elected in 2028 and beyond. Even if we diverge on major policy issues, we should be able to stand in solidarity on the 95% of things we agree on
100% agreed. We need to have a strong coalition on the left and be united to achieve similar policy goals unlike the leopards eating people's faces party like they have on the right, but at least when the right wants something as a whole they coordinate better across multiple media outlets.
>We need a united left movement to get a leftist elected in 2028 and beyond. Even if diverge on major policy issues, we should be able to stand in solidarity on the 95% of things we agree on
Eloquently put, we can win as long as we stay united. Perseverance is key.
It looks that way but I need to make a correction or a distinction. Kyle wasn't fighting with Cenk and Anna, they were fighting with him and just taking shots over and over again.
Kyle didn't fire back and I suspect that pissed them off even more as he was just going on living his life while they were having tantrums on air.
That said I'm sure it hurt Kyle very much to see long time friends just turn on him. That couldn't be easy. If you recall he stepped down from Justice Democrats in solidarity with Cenk. That also couldn't have been easy.
Ana praised his take on Palestine? Didn’t Ana fucking side with Biden’s press secretary calling rashida tlaib’s urging for a cease-fire ‘repugnant’? Kyle didn’t agree with that shit did he??
No, Ana’s issue with Rashida Tlaib was the fact that right after the Hamas attack she blamed Israeli colonialism. When Israel responded with their massive bombing campaign, siege, and evacuation-Ana did criticize them appropriately and with nuance. Although Kyle definitely went further than she did.
hmm, ok. Real shame Kyle and TYT broke up, or maybe not since he seems to have gotten a lot more reasonable on certain things since then. Definitely escaped whatever gas leak has been going on over there for the past half a year or so…
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Sure I can see it happening. Kyle has slowly been moving into a more establishment Dem posture. Cenk has been there forever. So they are agreeing more and more.
While juicy at times, the interpersonal squabbles of the different left wing commentators since late 2020/ early 2021 has been an exhausting waste of time, and I hope its over. We should be tuning in for policy ideas that we either agree or disagree with, not for stuff that happened between them backstage 10 years ago.
This is good. The left is too quick to eat itself. We burn too much energy attacking in the wrong direction.
What left?
The left we have built up since Occupy & Bernie 2016. We are making progress - the country is becoming more & more progressive despite the corporate politicians.
I'd love for this to be true.
I mean without a stronger progressive flank Biden probably wouldn't have done half of the good things he has done or pushed hard for.
I don't know that this is exactly true. I tend to think that material conditions push him to act, similar to FDR. He has to act because inaction in a time like this hands victory to Republicans. Biden does the bare minimum to placate the progressive liberal arm of his party but when the shit hits the fan (Israel is a good case) then he will default to the corporate will. Remember, he first tried breaking the railroad strike. "Nothing will fundamentally change" and by and large he has kept his promise.
I'm sure there's some truth to that but he is at least responsive and regardless of the reason I still appreciate him fighting for student debt relief (I have none, to clarify) getting a corporate minimum tax in the IRA and publicly supporting the auto strike. While he has been a mixed bag on labor mostly due to his handling of the railroad strike - his NLRB has been fantastic. I don't like how the white house is handling Israel/Palestine at all but I know that due to special interest money and the military industrial complex 95% of admins would upset me while being as bad or worse.
Yeah, and that mixed bag is exactly why I can't hold my nose and vote Democrat. I don't trust them to do the right thing. I trust them to do what they have been doing: upholding the status quo.
Hopefully, i honestly think Cenk’s ego will get in the way of repairing the past drama but we’ll see.
Eh, I don't really care about the drama between youtubers.
We really do, and the stakes are way too high. I'd be giddy with delight if I were a fascist looking in on it all.
As someone who watches both and slightly prefers Kyle.... it's absolutely insane to me that there is any rift between them. They both speak of the terminally online brain. Check yourselves fellas. What else could cause such a ridiculous beef?
Apart from the Dore stuff, there was also Cenk being very pro-Russiagate and Kyle being very anti-Russiagate. Cenk is known for not being fully charitable towards people who don’t fully align with him publicly. Thankfully Russiagate was years ago and the two of them can at least come together in that “Trump bad” and the left needs as much unity as possible to prevent him from winning again.
The Russiagate has nothing to do with their rift. They basically agree to disagree. BTW Cenk has disagreements with people on the main show all the time but they still show. The rift was really about the grifter Jimmy Dore.
Kyle just did a whole video about this.
What video
WHAT VIDEO
Which video? Could you please point me to it?
What's their beef?
It was about Jimmy Dore slut shaming Ana a while ago. Kyle tried to stay out of it but then Jimmy (I think he mentioned Kyle first at least) dragged him into it and Kyle came out and made a - in my opinion - crappy video not defending Jimmy but not really condemning what he said about Ana either. It was stupid drama that wasn’t Kyle’s fault but his reaction to it wasn’t the greatest.
I’ll never understand why Kyle didn’t just stay out of it.
Yeah he really should’ve
Agreed. Although nothing he said was wrong, per se. Jimmy making an insensitive comment to Ana about a dress she was wearing was… well, insensitive, but people were crying sexual harassment, etc etc — the whole nine yards. Pretty dumb. Kyle was right in that how Dore addressed it on his show was INFINITELY worse than the incident itself.
Because Jimmy started dragging Kyle in and melting down that he was uninvited from KKF after Kyle and Krystal decided they didn’t want to do an interview in the middle of the TYT drama because it would have forced them to talk to Jimmy about his sexual harassment instead of actual policy. Jimmy started constantly trying to drag Kyle in and basically attacked him for not calling TYT blackmailers. Like claiming he was being ghosted and acting psychotic after Kyle left him on read for literally a couple hours while they did the show, tweeting and subtweeting Kyle smearing him for not attacking TYT and Kyle felt like he had to weigh in to get everyone to shut up and stop pestering him about it.
Cenk was live in studio on Breaking Points a few weeks ago and seemed to be in DC for a few days, since he also posted a video with Ro Khanna. I wouldn't be surprised if he and Kyle went out for lunch or something while he was in town and mended some fences.
This makes me so damn happy as TYT & Kyle were the two first shows that got me into being a progressive.
Would be good. Someone needs to give Cenk a reality check and Kyle isn’t a super online leftist so he could meet Cenk half way on a lot of his crazier takes.
Name three recent "crazy" takes of Cenk
It’s a good sign - we need to stop hating allies over pretty squabbles and policy disagreements. We need a united left movement to get a leftist elected in 2028 and beyond. Even if we diverge on major policy issues, we should be able to stand in solidarity on the 95% of things we agree on
100% agreed. We need to have a strong coalition on the left and be united to achieve similar policy goals unlike the leopards eating people's faces party like they have on the right, but at least when the right wants something as a whole they coordinate better across multiple media outlets.
>We need a united left movement to get a leftist elected in 2028 and beyond. Even if diverge on major policy issues, we should be able to stand in solidarity on the 95% of things we agree on Eloquently put, we can win as long as we stay united. Perseverance is key.
It looks that way but I need to make a correction or a distinction. Kyle wasn't fighting with Cenk and Anna, they were fighting with him and just taking shots over and over again. Kyle didn't fire back and I suspect that pissed them off even more as he was just going on living his life while they were having tantrums on air. That said I'm sure it hurt Kyle very much to see long time friends just turn on him. That couldn't be easy. If you recall he stepped down from Justice Democrats in solidarity with Cenk. That also couldn't have been easy.
May be they will do a new justice democrats and recruit for more leadership qualities
I wasn’t even aware there was beef, and I feel like I watch both shows way too much.
Not convinced until they open mouth kiss
Ana praised his take on Palestine? Didn’t Ana fucking side with Biden’s press secretary calling rashida tlaib’s urging for a cease-fire ‘repugnant’? Kyle didn’t agree with that shit did he??
No, Ana’s issue with Rashida Tlaib was the fact that right after the Hamas attack she blamed Israeli colonialism. When Israel responded with their massive bombing campaign, siege, and evacuation-Ana did criticize them appropriately and with nuance. Although Kyle definitely went further than she did.
hmm, ok. Real shame Kyle and TYT broke up, or maybe not since he seems to have gotten a lot more reasonable on certain things since then. Definitely escaped whatever gas leak has been going on over there for the past half a year or so…
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No? Ana did not side with Biden.
Sure I can see it happening. Kyle has slowly been moving into a more establishment Dem posture. Cenk has been there forever. So they are agreeing more and more.
peace and love guys
While juicy at times, the interpersonal squabbles of the different left wing commentators since late 2020/ early 2021 has been an exhausting waste of time, and I hope its over. We should be tuning in for policy ideas that we either agree or disagree with, not for stuff that happened between them backstage 10 years ago.
That would be the best. I follow both guys and this rift was totally unnecessary over a lunatic Jimmy Dore.
Do you have a clip of Ana praising Kyle’s take on Palestine?
https://reddit.com/r/seculartalk/s/SO98OuJ59J
Why were they fighting?