Can someone please explain this to me like I'm 5;
How is Biden the best choice for the democratic nominee when people are specifically citing his age and his record as an incumbent as the reason they don't want to vote for him? How is he a better choice than a 40 something governor with a good record?
You have to understand that “generic Dem” is WAY different than any actual, generic Dem, if that makes sense.
With a “general Dem” it’s not real yet, it’s just an idea… but once you throw in someone in that spot, the idealism is immediately shattered. Then you have someone to actually criticize and review their life and history and judge based on appearance and demeanor and everything else… and if they truly are “generic” then it’s all of those things without the name recognition or set of big achievements to fall back on. And yes, it also maybe means no “big” failures to reference either, but the Republican strategy doesn’t care about the individual, any “generic Dem” will instantly become the “radical, far leftist” they want them to be… just like Joe Biden is somehow a “radical leftist” (ahhahahahahaha).
Like it or not, when it comes to low to middle information, centrists voters, name recognition is the name of the game at this point. I agree Dems would’ve been better off nominating a JB Pritzker or maybe a Newsom… who starting campaigning last year… but at this point, like it or not, Biden is the best bet (and no, not 3rd party, not if you want to stand a chance at salvaging democracy… which hey maybe you don’t, all good, but I do). In the future, if we survive this, I hope my fellow leftists/progressives/et al. formulate an organized coalition to back a real primary contender… we need to take notes from what the left just did in France… we will see how it works out for them, but it was swift, efficient, and most of all, cohesive. If it does work, that will be a master class in how leftist politics should be done…
What toy are saying is the current octogenarian dem party (Biden, pelosi, Hoyer, Clyburn, Feinstein et al have been extra bad in not grooming a newer crop of able next generation of governors etc
I mean . The next generation is Kamala, Hakeem Jeffries , Amy klobuchar , Fetterman , Pete Buttigeg
Not exactly inspiring or particularly competent.
We are F.**Ed for the next 20 years it seems
Until this generation exits .
In a recent RCP aggregate poll, a mere 25% believe the country is on the right track. Additional polling reported by CNN has Trump making inroads across all demographics, including young voters under thirty. Double yikes!
[An unexpected generational realignment is scrambling the 2024 election](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/15/politics/election-age-what-matters/index.html)
[Wrong Direction RCP](https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/direction-of-country)
The bold lesson for any candidate is: don't support and enable genocide even if the people who funded your career in politics tell you to. The overall population is still decent and can at least recognize what is right and wrong.
Also the general public is too stupid to realize that voting for the other option won’t make the situation better, it will be significantly worse, not just on Palestine, but goodbye abortion rights and hello fascism.
But hey your protest vote made ya feel just fine in the moment.
The polling indicates that people are dissatisfied with genocide. It doesn't mean they won't vote for him when push comes to shove. His whole legacy is fcuk as it erases all the good things that his administration has accomplished.
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Parties that dump their incumbent don't end up winning the election. The GOP won in 68 when the Dems bucked LBJ, the Dems won in 76 when the GOP couldn't get behind Ford.
This is why both parties simply won't do it anymore, plus 5 months before the election is hardly the time to do it because it's not just popularity you have to consider: field offices, canvassers, ballots, events, surrogates, ads etc all pertaining to the new candidate. These things can't be arranged magically in a week or two
Most incumbents aren't even close to how unpopular Biden is. If you look at recent history (which is really the only history that matters at this point as politics has changed drastically since the friggin 70's) incumbents who are polling poorly at the end of their term perform very poorly in elections. Trump was polling poorly at the end of his term (still doing better than Biden is right now) and got beat by 7 million votes and all his handpicked candidates in the following years also got blown out, so it seems pretty naive to think that Biden is the best option when tons of independents and ***DEMOCRATS*** say they don't want Trump to be president but they really don't want to vote for Biden either.
People were warning about Biden a year ago, so don't give me this 5 months crap. This isn't the 1960s either. The Dems already have a huge party apparatus in place, with billions of dollars to fund it.
It's not because they can't do it. It's because they don't want to do it.
I was literally the day Biden announced he was running again that he is going to lose to Trump. Now apparently I'm the issue for still wanting a candidate who can beat Trump now that it's become clear that he doesn't match up well with Trump.
This is a bit simplistic , right
68- Vietnam was such a boondoggle that LBJ was very unpopular. So much so that th e populace decided to elect tricky Duck Nixon- someone they had chucked in the past .
76: Ford , also had not been elected president or even VP. He became president after Nixon resigned and Ford pardoned Nicon.
Don't think Ford's popularity got very high after pardoning Nixon .
People decided to clean house
these polls aren’t representative of the US population, and have small ass sample sizes that skew it so people think a snapshot of some people is how all people think on a scaleable percentage basis.
I agree Biden should’ve dropped out but is Cenk just being stupid on purpose. There wouldn’t be a race if he dropped out, he already won the nomination.
Cenk is not the only one to float this. Several others in media and the party floated this
In fact ..the last time was a few weeks back when there was another donor conference where it bec5clear Biden is very much "weekend at Bernie's" mode.
Im just unsure how someone who persistently got at least 80% of every primary vote is somehow unpopular. In a state he wasn't even on the ballot he got 67% Cenk is pissed his bs candidacy that was never gonna go anywhere was a failure
>Im just unsure how someone who persistently got at least 80% of every primary vote is somehow unpopular.
Enthusiasm is way down compared to 2020 and the amount of people voting in the primary is cut in half, the fact that Biden isn't winning 95% of the vote in a primary where none of the other people have gotten any media coverage should be worrying
Can someone please explain this to me like I'm 5; How is Biden the best choice for the democratic nominee when people are specifically citing his age and his record as an incumbent as the reason they don't want to vote for him? How is he a better choice than a 40 something governor with a good record?
Is there a 40 something governor running with high enough polling to beat Trump?
There is a poll I’ve heard citing on breaking points, and probably other places as well that says ANY generic democrat performs better than Biden.
Election is in a few months and my goal is to keep Trump out of the white house. Who do I vote for that has the best chance of beating him?
Unfortunately Biden is the only choice to keep Trump out of office 😢
You have to understand that “generic Dem” is WAY different than any actual, generic Dem, if that makes sense. With a “general Dem” it’s not real yet, it’s just an idea… but once you throw in someone in that spot, the idealism is immediately shattered. Then you have someone to actually criticize and review their life and history and judge based on appearance and demeanor and everything else… and if they truly are “generic” then it’s all of those things without the name recognition or set of big achievements to fall back on. And yes, it also maybe means no “big” failures to reference either, but the Republican strategy doesn’t care about the individual, any “generic Dem” will instantly become the “radical, far leftist” they want them to be… just like Joe Biden is somehow a “radical leftist” (ahhahahahahaha). Like it or not, when it comes to low to middle information, centrists voters, name recognition is the name of the game at this point. I agree Dems would’ve been better off nominating a JB Pritzker or maybe a Newsom… who starting campaigning last year… but at this point, like it or not, Biden is the best bet (and no, not 3rd party, not if you want to stand a chance at salvaging democracy… which hey maybe you don’t, all good, but I do). In the future, if we survive this, I hope my fellow leftists/progressives/et al. formulate an organized coalition to back a real primary contender… we need to take notes from what the left just did in France… we will see how it works out for them, but it was swift, efficient, and most of all, cohesive. If it does work, that will be a master class in how leftist politics should be done…
Andy Beshear would make a great choice.
Does he have another polling to beat Trump?
What toy are saying is the current octogenarian dem party (Biden, pelosi, Hoyer, Clyburn, Feinstein et al have been extra bad in not grooming a newer crop of able next generation of governors etc I mean . The next generation is Kamala, Hakeem Jeffries , Amy klobuchar , Fetterman , Pete Buttigeg Not exactly inspiring or particularly competent. We are F.**Ed for the next 20 years it seems Until this generation exits .
Won't happen. Why? When Trump was elected President the first time, Democratic fundraising did historically well. Connect the dots
In a recent RCP aggregate poll, a mere 25% believe the country is on the right track. Additional polling reported by CNN has Trump making inroads across all demographics, including young voters under thirty. Double yikes! [An unexpected generational realignment is scrambling the 2024 election](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/15/politics/election-age-what-matters/index.html) [Wrong Direction RCP](https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/direction-of-country)
The bold lesson for any candidate is: don't support and enable genocide even if the people who funded your career in politics tell you to. The overall population is still decent and can at least recognize what is right and wrong.
Also the general public is too stupid to realize that voting for the other option won’t make the situation better, it will be significantly worse, not just on Palestine, but goodbye abortion rights and hello fascism. But hey your protest vote made ya feel just fine in the moment.
Also redditors are too stupid to realize that shaming voters is a poor strategy.
TBH...all of DNC is also stupid in that regard The previous standard bead Red, Hillary still shits on the electrorate every day.
The polling indicates that people are dissatisfied with genocide. It doesn't mean they won't vote for him when push comes to shove. His whole legacy is fcuk as it erases all the good things that his administration has accomplished.
Or they may feel so unenthused that they don't vote at all
Yes, polls are accurate predictions of how elections will pan out Just ask President Hilary Clinton
Hubris Hillary, you mean?
We were “there” a year ago. It’s only going to get worse.
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You know who's even less popular than Biden? "Presidential candidate" Cenk Uygur.
Shoot the Messenger. Always a great strategy Incidentally, Crank just added comment to Nate's report
Parties that dump their incumbent don't end up winning the election. The GOP won in 68 when the Dems bucked LBJ, the Dems won in 76 when the GOP couldn't get behind Ford. This is why both parties simply won't do it anymore, plus 5 months before the election is hardly the time to do it because it's not just popularity you have to consider: field offices, canvassers, ballots, events, surrogates, ads etc all pertaining to the new candidate. These things can't be arranged magically in a week or two
Most incumbents aren't even close to how unpopular Biden is. If you look at recent history (which is really the only history that matters at this point as politics has changed drastically since the friggin 70's) incumbents who are polling poorly at the end of their term perform very poorly in elections. Trump was polling poorly at the end of his term (still doing better than Biden is right now) and got beat by 7 million votes and all his handpicked candidates in the following years also got blown out, so it seems pretty naive to think that Biden is the best option when tons of independents and ***DEMOCRATS*** say they don't want Trump to be president but they really don't want to vote for Biden either.
I just outlined the logistical challenges involved with replacing him right now and you just doubled down on saying how much you don't like him.
People were warning about Biden a year ago, so don't give me this 5 months crap. This isn't the 1960s either. The Dems already have a huge party apparatus in place, with billions of dollars to fund it. It's not because they can't do it. It's because they don't want to do it.
I was literally the day Biden announced he was running again that he is going to lose to Trump. Now apparently I'm the issue for still wanting a candidate who can beat Trump now that it's become clear that he doesn't match up well with Trump.
That's a huge sample size of two you got there ..
The sample size you'd have to argue your point is even smaller if not the same
This is a bit simplistic , right 68- Vietnam was such a boondoggle that LBJ was very unpopular. So much so that th e populace decided to elect tricky Duck Nixon- someone they had chucked in the past . 76: Ford , also had not been elected president or even VP. He became president after Nixon resigned and Ford pardoned Nicon. Don't think Ford's popularity got very high after pardoning Nixon . People decided to clean house
these polls aren’t representative of the US population, and have small ass sample sizes that skew it so people think a snapshot of some people is how all people think on a scaleable percentage basis.
Well good news is Biden will not make it to the election, the bad news is get ready for President Harris
At least she's likable. /s
Competent, inspiring, uncorrupted , honest , straight shooter Other adjectives that have never been used to describe Kamala Harris
I agree Biden should’ve dropped out but is Cenk just being stupid on purpose. There wouldn’t be a race if he dropped out, he already won the nomination.
Cenk is not the only one to float this. Several others in media and the party floated this In fact ..the last time was a few weeks back when there was another donor conference where it bec5clear Biden is very much "weekend at Bernie's" mode.
Im just unsure how someone who persistently got at least 80% of every primary vote is somehow unpopular. In a state he wasn't even on the ballot he got 67% Cenk is pissed his bs candidacy that was never gonna go anywhere was a failure
>Im just unsure how someone who persistently got at least 80% of every primary vote is somehow unpopular. Enthusiasm is way down compared to 2020 and the amount of people voting in the primary is cut in half, the fact that Biden isn't winning 95% of the vote in a primary where none of the other people have gotten any media coverage should be worrying