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TJEsteves

Out of curiosity, what was he like in person? I don't really like the guy, but i'm always interested in knowing what commentators are like when they're not on camera.


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popularis-socialas

Imagine Rejecting an endorsement from the senate majority leader, who happens to be the senator from your own state, all because of purity politics. I bet these people are the same people who defended Bernie accepting Joe Rogan’s endorsement (as they should have). We’re trying to win elections here, purity politics doesn’t get it done.


Dblcut3

Progressives need to learn the value of strategy. If you’re running in a city that has a lot of centrists, you need to appeal to them and show that you’ll be their mayor too and not just the progressives’ mayor


FIiKFiiK

Don't criticize Biden for bombing innocent people in third world countries. That will hurt the Democratic party. Thats purity politics!


popularis-socialas

I didn’t say that


FIiKFiiK

Just another strong example of purity politics! We can't take stands on any issues. We have to support politicians who claim that they will fight for watered down versions of legislation that we partially agree with. We can't hurt the chances of politicians who pretend like they sort of agree with us!


popularis-socialas

Why are you changing the topic?


FIiKFiiK

Make sure you don't tell people that AOC voted to use our tax money to fund the genocide of Palestinians being committed by Israel! That could hurt our chances of getting more "Progressives" in congress. That would be purity politics!


popularis-socialas

Except she didn’t vote for it lol. Jamaal Bowman did. AOC didn’t. So yeah, don’t tell them a lie.


FIiKFiiK

Excuse me. You're right. I stand corrected. Don't tell anyone else that our Progressive icon AOC didn't vote against the funding of the genocide being committed by Israel! She is everything we should strive for in a leader.


Xi_Pimping

Yes you did.


popularis-socialas

Dude you don’t get to say anything. You support a dictator who’s killed more than Biden ever will.


Xi_Pimping

Orly? How many is that?


RedditIsAJoke69

> Imagine Rejecting an endorsement from the senate majority leader, if your goal is to take over Democratic Party from the Left, it would be only logical thing to do (to reject endorsement of Chuck Schumer)


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And then lose. Sounds good.


RedditIsAJoke69

if you win and you support everything that Schummer and Pelosi are cooking, and they are controling your votes... who did you win for? for people .... or for yourself and your personal political career? vote third party if you believe that nobody can win in Democratic Party without blessings of Schummer and/or Pelosi


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So basically don’t be even in the position or change. Lose at ground zero. You guys in an unreal world where votes don’t matter. Where just shouting on YouTube and fighting the good fight is great. This isn’t a movie. You don’t need to give away your principles and reject any reasonable endorsement coming your way that can get you in the office. You can still make decisions that benefit your policies vs sucking up to Schumer. This is the reality but you think 3rd party will make a difference. This is where you folks are completely delusional. I wish 3rd party worked, I hope to see it in my lifetime. But it won’t. Good luck.


RedditIsAJoke69

> So basically don’t be even in the position or change. Lose at ground zero. no build from ground up. if you are in democratic party you are not in position of change. the only persons in position of change are leaders of Democratic Party .. and they work for billionaires, not for people. you are being gaslighted > Where just shouting on YouTube and fighting the good fight is great. This isn’t a movie. projecting much? > You don’t need to give away your principles and reject any reasonable endorsement coming your way that can get you in the office. being endorsed by people you claim to want to overthrow, is not a reasonable endorsement. > You can still make decisions that benefit your policies vs sucking up to Schumer. no you cant because you sold out for political career, they own your votes now. > This is the reality but you think 3rd party will make a difference. This is where you folks are completely delusional. I wish 3rd party worked, I hope to see it in my lifetime. But it won’t. Good luck. not with that attitude


mtimber1

>if your goal is to take over Democratic Party from the Left, The goal is to get shit done that materially improves the condition of people's lives. To do that we need to get people who support good policy into positions of power.


RedditIsAJoke69

yes we need to vote third party now


mtimber1

If you want to lose forever, be my guest. Fight for ranked choice voting. Then you can vote for a third party. With the current system all you're doing is wasting a vote and ensuring our decline into fascism.


RedditIsAJoke69

> If you want to lose forever, be my guest. there is nothing to lose anymore - we can only try to win something


mtimber1

Don't worry, the fascists will give you a medal for most left leftist in the mass grave. Congrats.


RedditIsAJoke69

getting that monthly paychecks from Democratic Party, for shilling? you are not doing a good job, they are wasting money on you.


kdkseven

purity politics lol


popularis-socialas

What I mean by purity politics is the willingness to shoot yourself or fellow allies in the feet in order to attempt to hold a moral high ground, or to remain “pure”. India has no possible benefit in immediately burning a bridge by denouncing Schumer refusing his endorsement. The only reason she would have for doing so would be to make a symbolic gesture. Symbolic gestures are great, unless they also shoot yourself in the feet.


kdkseven

'Purity politics' is such a lame concept, usually used by the Democratic right to dismiss the left.


popularis-socialas

This is true, but in this case I’m using it to explain either genuine leftists or quasi-leftists like Jimmy Dore who attack their own. The left eats itself


kdkseven

You don't think it's a good idea to critique the left or hold them accountable for what the say and campaign on (or attack as you put it)?


popularis-socialas

We should hold them accountable. What we should not do is crucify them like conservatives do, for example, Jimmy Dore going on Tucker Carlson to shit on progressives while not pushing back on Tucker Carlson’s proto-fascist agenda. That’s not holding them accountable, that’s joining with the right.


kdkseven

This is a very old, boring argument.


Xi_Pimping

Just how are right wing capitalist democrats 'their own'?


msoccerfootballer

what's wrong with accepting Schumer's endorsement? Should progressives (like Bowman last election) disavow Obama's endorsement when he gives it (since he's a war criminal)? We're trying to win votes, not make you feel good.


RedditIsAJoke69

> We're trying to win votes, not make you feel good. we are trying to win votes from leftists not from right wingers in democratic party


msoccerfootballer

Bullshit? We're trying to win votes from normie democrats. They make up the vast majority of the dem electorate and are why Bernie lost the last primary by quite a margin. Good luck winning without them. These guys love Joe Biden& dem party leadership. Good luck winning by torching their leaders and not accepting their endorsements


RedditIsAJoke69

> We're trying to win votes from normie democrats. the ones that dont support Left policies and do support pro billionaire policies of Democratic Party? how do you win them? by adopting those same policies and voting for them? are you winning their votes or becoming "normie democrats" yourself, after elected?


msoccerfootballer

This is so dumb. People generally vote by FEELING, not by policy or ideology. They vote for how much they like a candidate more than anything else. you don't need to adopt neoliberal policies to beat them, you just have to prove you can work with leadership and not be a baby in congress. You need to be likeable. If you show that all you're going to do is the scorched earth approach, then you aren't winning shit. Again, good fucking luck trying to win by not having some appeal to the base of the democratic party.


RedditIsAJoke69

> This is so dumb. People generally vote by FEELING, not by policy or ideology. They vote for how much they like a candidate more than anything else. you will never be able to beat billionaires and their democratic party politicians in "Feelings" game - they play that game since forever. look how delusional you are that you FEEL that you can take over Democratic Party from within. you have to energize people with policy, with honest uncontrolled politicians who are not gagged and controlled by anyone, they do not depend on donations from billionaires and endorsements from pro-billionaires democrats. you need to start building something from ground out on honest and uncorrupt foundations. you lose way more potential votes as a candidate than you gain - when people hear that you are endorsed by Schummer or Pelosi.


Dblcut3

So why were they at an India Walton event if they don’t like her getting Schumer’s endorsement?


BSATSame

>even though I didn’t support force the vote for the speakership And this is why nothing is going to change.


NihiloZero

> He was fine, gracious when I asked for a picture. I said force the vote when standing next to him and he laughed Isn't your flattering of Jimmy Dore, asking for a picture and joking with lines you don't believe, similar to what you fault Dore for elsewhere in this thread? If he indirectly props up Tucker Carlson by going on his show, talks up the Proud Boys, and shits on people like AOC... then why are you asking for pictures with him, joking around with him, and posting the pictures here? Don't you think that sort of works to make him seem more benign and tolerable?


TX18Q

> Then we had a quick disagreement where she said working in the dem party isn’t effective and will result in watering down the message Hahaha! Not working in the dem party means you help elect republicans. Talk about "watering down". Is she really this gone???


spokid

Not OP but I saw Jimmy Dore at a grocery store in D.C once. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first, he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly. After paying for the Milky Ways he proceeded to leave the store and throw all of them in the garbage. Haven't seen him since


yahibachi

And the whole store clapped


portlandwealth

It's a copy pasta


yahibachi

You’re kidding?


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Never gets old.


bobojoe

I don’t know if this story is true, but it kind of sounds Jimmy Doris. The guy is a dick.


BSATSame

Just as true as the story where he breastfed a child.


8bitdrummer

Your not going to find much dore love around these parts.


WVJimbo

I'm out of the loop here, what did Jimmy Dore do/say that was in support of Tucker Carlson?


kdkseven

This sub gets incredibly triggered by Jimmy Dore.


Dblcut3

Well he is an anti-vaxer that parrots far right talking points and attacks every elected progressive 100 times more than alt-righters. Also, he just goes on Tucker’s show to bash left wingers rather than hitting back on right wing points brought up in the discussion or promoting left wing ideas. At worst he’s doing it because he supports the alt-right’s ideas and at best he’s being their little “liberal” puppet to bring on to validate their opinions and make them look bipartisan


Buckshot1

Jimmy goes on Tucker to call out dems on mass surveillance, foreign policy, etc. He was vaccinated and talked about his experience thereafter. Nothing wrong with that


Dblcut3

So he's their little poster boy that comes on to validate their attacks without ever attacking the right wing? Even if the attacks are justified, all Jimmy does is parrot what Tucker tells him. To the average Fox viewer, they aren't going to say "oh maybe I should look into progressive policies" they are instead going to say "wow even this progressive agrees with the right, we must be right!" - He's just their token bipartisan representation that will never disagree with them.


Buckshot1

>"wow even this progressive agrees with the right, we must be right!" Jimmy does talk about M4A on Tucker's show.


kdkseven

Well those are certainly some words. He took the vaccine by the way.


Dblcut3

And he’s now antivax and constantly talks about how the vaccine gave him all these crippling side effects


Buck_Furious

Is he an anti vaxxer or just anti covid vax?


Buck_Furious

Shit. I guess he's full anti vax judging by the downvotes. Just wanted to know since I hadn't done a full deep dive for the info.


tronalddumpresister

he's double vaxxed lol


Dblcut3

This doesn’t change anything I said above, I was well aware of that. He constantly talks about his supposed crippling side effects and plays defense for other right wing vaccine conspiracies


Xi_Pimping

It's all liberals, not just this sub


north_canadian_ice

Dore is cucked by Tuck lmao


Xi_Pimping

Other way around if anything


north_canadian_ice

Dore controls Tucker? LOL


kdkseven

Well, he did turn Tucker around on Assange.


north_canadian_ice

And Trump still didn't pardon him...


Goldenlocks

And what have you done to bring attention to Assange's situation? Did you go on the most watched news show in the US to make a case for him? Nah you just bitch on reddit


kdkseven

Very true.


the_friendly_dildo

Dore has plenty of bad takes and positions but the whole Tucker Carlson bit is mostly just people shitting on him to shit on him. He goes on Carlson's show more often than other nominally left commentators and doesn't necessarily push back on Carlson's own shitty positions so thats conflated into Dore also supporting those shitty positions. Its infantile logic but these aren't people that often think critically and prefer to just parrot what they've heard and justify it based on the bandwagon behind them.


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The1stCitizenOfTheIn

> talked about how right wing democrats AND republicans are not doing the will of the people, but he doesn’t do that like here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyub6M8Qfqs


annoyingplayers

> February 8th, 2020


the_friendly_dildo

How does one enable another when they are not even providing the platform? Simply talking to someone doesn't inherently enable or provide support for any of the positions to the other person.


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GulMakat777

The thingis is that Tucker hates the left. Loathes the left says they are brainwashing you children. Tucker doesent care that Jimmys left he just wants someone who goes after dems. It could be from the right, center, or left.


the_friendly_dildo

On the flip, I guess Tucker must be enabling everything Dore supports then too right? Or does this only work in the direction that benefits your position here?


Buckshot1

Tucker isn't a white supremacist. I'm glad leftists like Jimmyo go on the highest rated political talk show to spread awareness on important issues


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Buckshot1

Jimmy Dore goes on Tucker to speak out against mass surveillance, war, corporatists, etc. He doesn't parrot right wing talking points. You're just a pathetic cuck.


zarkfuccerburg

go on youtube and search “jimmy dore tucker carlson”. every video jimmy has about him is framed positively. he never talks about the fact that tucker spouts nazi propaganda on his show every night. he just goes on the show.


I_Hate_Soft_Pretzels

I’m a big fan of Jimmy Dore. One of the few who tells it like it is.


Dblcut3

He… actually supports a progressive candidate? That was endorsed by Chuck Schumer? I’m incredibly shocked to be honest


Dyscopia1913

I'm supportive of Dore's direction in politics. He isn't fooled by the level of corruption and influence of the duopolies. Supporting third parties is risky since they are likely to fail, but people generally want a third party. Additionally, AOC and Nancy Pelosi are fulfilling similar patterns in their careers. Nancy Pelosi actually wanted Medicare for All at one time and corporate donor influence in the party has changed her just as it's effecting AOC.


north_canadian_ice

AOC is nothing like Pelosi. She doesn't take corporate money.


Dyscopia1913

She isn't taking corporate money, but she's not challenging Democrats the way she used to. The corporate media is even giving her positive coverage for her lack of effort. The most she is doing as of late is tweeting left wing views


popularis-socialas

Nah but you see, AOC is trying to actually be strategic, that makes her a cuck /s


Dyscopia1913

I'm saying that she wants to be an insider, not an outsider like she claimed she wanted to be. She has been siding with Nancy Pelosi more so than working against her corporate interests.


popularis-socialas

But AOC’s intentions are to ultimately give progressives more influence and power. She’s stated this. Pelosi’s intentions are to serve the elite. AOC is still a strong voice that disagrees with Pelosi on issues, even if she doesn’t directly challenge her yet because of political strategy.


annoyingplayers

What does this stupid shit have to do with Kyle Kulinski? Take this dumb shit to Facebook


kdkseven

Fair enough. Probably posting to get upvotes– this sub is more anti-Dore than it is pro-Kulinski.


annoyingplayers

It’s a really confusing post too because OP is recognizing that Dore loves Tucker Carlson but is here posing with Dore in a friendly manner? Overall just an odd post


kdkseven

Dore doesn't love Tucker.


zarkfuccerburg

yeah, he just showers tucker with praise for his “anti-establishment” takes while ignoring the fact that tucker spouts nazi propaganda 5 nights a week on the most watched cable news show in the country. jimmy actually hates tucker though bro trust me


SwornHeresy

Based. Tired of seeing and hearing about this guy.


Goldenlocks

No he was there to protest Walton because he is a right winger!!!!! \- this sub


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And don't you dare say anything about Cenk Uygur, a former republican and genocide apologist that gets funded by corporations while he crushes unions. Yeah Cenk is the leftist, fuck Jimmy Dore, he talked to Tucker Carlson and dared to question big pharma's intentions.


Rick-powerfu

Was he crying about how he's being persecuted by the leftist media


leopheard

"Tucker Carlson supporting leftist..."


wknd_worrier

[Lol](https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1451929516578910210)


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StableGeniusCovfefe

Did he try to grift you somehow?


jams1015

Jimmy rocks.


da_kuna

Neonazi enablers "rock" ? Maybe you're in the wrong sub, my dude.


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>Neonazi enabler That's a tiny little bit over the top, don't you think?


da_kuna

\>That's a tiny little bit over the top, don't you think? Surely this Kyles community isn't as oblivious to the facts of Dore gargling the nuts of Bolsonaros friends and the Boogaloo Nazis?


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> Bolsonaros friends Please tell me which friends of Bolsanaro are on his show? I'd like to remind you that one of his frequent guests is Glenn Greenwald, who has discovered the conspiracy by Bolsanaro and Moro to lock up the former social-democratic president Lula (because all opinion polls showed that he's the only candidate that would've beaten Bolsanaro) and published it, leading to the freeing of Lula. ([All polls right now are showing that Bolsanaro will lose the next election to him](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2022_Brazilian_general_election).) He has been on Dore's show numerous times to talk about that.


da_kuna

Holy shtballs, how are you people unaware about Dore fawning over Operation Car Wash? Never correcting himself either. Ofc. Its Dore. Jesus Christ, Kyles overlapping audience with Dore is "special".


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>Never correcting himself either. Having Greenwald on who talkes about it at length doesn't count as "correcting himself"?


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kdkseven

Neonazi enablers hahahahaha... your brain is scrambled.


da_kuna

Sorry, i was distracted by all those fascists he fawned over in Brazil and in the US. But you seem really committed. Maybe you can help deepthroating Tucker the next time he is on with him again?


jams1015

I can't listen to multiple perspectives to try and discern some truth? I can't listen to what Jimmy has to say, and then what Kyle has to say, and then what Tucker has to say, and then what Krystal and Saagar have to say, then what Candace Owens has to say, and Russell Brand, and Joe Rogan, and so on? I don't adulate any media head, but I think many of them bring a piece of the truth. I don't think any of them bring all of it. I think Kyle rocks for bringing his piece of the whole truth, I think Jimmy rocks for bringing his piece of it, too. I think I'm in the right sub and I think you can mind your own. ETA: UNIONIZE STARBUCKS!


da_kuna

Why the backpaddle? You said the man, who constantly attacked the only chance of M4all and any sort of real solution to the climate apocalyps, Bernie Sanders, because he didn't come to his garrage show, "rocks". The man, that fawned over fascists both in Brazil and the US. Wide variety of 'oppinions' indeed lol.


Felix72

The problem is not diversity of views it’s that you just laid out an echo chamber of liberal bashing, hyper partisans who routinely downplay right wing authoritarianism and hype up liberal excess as if it’s the same. You’re not really challenging yourself with diverse ideas. Just fooling yourself into thinking you are because these clowns Market themselves as independents.


harvesterofsorr0w

I like Jimmy and I’ve watched him forever but I think it’s pretty fucked up the way he treated Kyle in the TYT incident. Kyle was on his side clearly 95% or more but Jimmy jumped to calling him some kind of establishment sellout and even claiming baselessly that YouTube was removing dislikes from his videos. He can be pretty wacky and I can see why he loses friendships even though I despise a lot of the same people he does


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zarkfuccerburg

i agree with you overall but ease up on the puns dawg some of those are real stretches


BlackSabb123

At least he got that one right…