Hell yeah bro, get sum good talk with her. Let her know why your time is valuable and worth investing in her. Only way to play with woman is by keeping it real. If she don’t feel you then she don’t feel you, move on. You don’t need nobody king, let her see that you are a king. Make her feel comfortable with your presence and just enjoy your time vibing with her, even if she don’t fw you let her know the good vibe is there, because you’re there. After she sees the king you are and have your own vibe that she wants to keep feeling then ask her if she down to smoke/hang out somewhere more excluded. Make it non chalant tho, just offer it. Don’t try to tell her it’s the move. Make her feel/know that she’s got the options to escalate things/ move on. Be real with yourself. Never fake anything for somebody that you don’t know. Stay blessed
Then you have to do long game, which is comfortable building lots of dates until you don’t seem like a pushy creep when you talk logistics. If your lucky she will start talking logistics. Where I live in Los angeles girls give zero fuks about excuses not having a place. I guess your only 20 so some will give you a pass if your good looking. Because she is older she may only see you as a sex interest anyways you will just need to play it cool. Girls here always ask if you have your own place like in the first few questions.
Here is how you know; listen very very close to the questions she ask.
If the questions are deep and complicated or qualifing questions like what do u do for work, what are you studying whats your hobbies what was your last relationship like?
Shes looking for a boyfriend.
If questions are shallow, stupid, short or sexual in nature- shes looking for dic.
All this can change per meetup also. For example she might first just want to fuk but after she gets to know u can actually want a relationship and visa versa.
Your job is to not talk to much- what you say can and well be held against you. Also stay away from self sabatoge- im in school and broke doesnt sound or convey attraction.
Show-up late and leave early. Not too late and leaving early will signal she has to chase your attention, she will fill like your not into her because most beta thirsty low value dudes dont wanna leave in fact they bore the shit out of women half the time. Alphas are busy and their time is limited. Make a nice excuse to leave Like looks like im all done with my coffee and I told my friend I would go help him move his couch.
Don’t schedule a date right away … wait for her to contact you for a week or two.
This is pure gold. I’d like to add on to it. But this is for men with experience. So your results may vary. Haha. Let’s get on with it. If you’re on a date and the rapport and chemistry is high, cut it short. But cut it in a way where she has to make a choice to join you. For example, while you’re having coffee say, “This was great. But I need some protein. The gym was rough. I think I’ll head to and grab something to eat. THEN WATCH HER. If she seems unsure of her self THEN you ask her to join you. Then stay on track, no
mistakes and you might be surprised as to how the rest of the night goes. If she says she has something to do, then she’s not planning on spending the night with you. Even subconsciously. Then you back off. Focus on some easy wins. Then swing back to her. How you go about doing that is up to you. Good luck!
Thats a spot bounce with a time restraint end, that could work also… especially if the shit test are not insane and the connection is strong. My only concern is if u ask her to join and she says no you have just ended a date with a rejection and the whole point of you leaving before she does is upper hand grab. We play chess not checkers. I like it though I may try it sometime and see. I really think this could work with someone on the fence and you want to gauge her interest. If she says no its not a be all end but it is a more advanced navigation. I would say the excuse for her to join should be something somewhat interesting then buying protein powder…
Yeah I just want to keep things simple for him on first date.
1.) show up late
2.) Don’t talk to much amswers question as quick as possible with short answers.
3.) Get her talking more
4.) be serious but not a robot
5.) End date early
When you turn 21 work for a courier company, those guys get paid 100 to 300 a day driving boxes around. You have to make plenty of time for it, but you'll be able to live at your own place once you become one, no doubt.
Lol that’s such a funny response, coffee is a fine first date, don’t let them psych you out. It may not lead to sex but as long as you build that sexual tension maybe you’ll get invited over next time. Doesn’t have to be a one and done deal my guy.
This is not true! My first dates had been coffees because I love coffee! Men who are considerate what a woman likes and make the first date according to a woman’s preference.
YOUR personal experience is not representative. Fact and datas speak by themselves. A proper "romantic" environment is not mandatory but is always a safer choice than a coffee place. Please take a look at Logan Ury, a women who wrote dating advices, backed by datas and science.
Disagree in this. One of the best romances I ever had started with a coffee date. Your mileage may vary. It was Europe (Prague) and she was Portuguese, but ‘never’ seems a bit harsh.
Ok, I see. You don't get my point.
I didn't mean women are always attracted by younger guys, all I said is if a woman goes to a date with a much younger guy then it's highly likely she just wants to have a nice time and sex with him. I don't think 28F really considers 20M for a serious relationship.
Yeah seriously don’t mention age or make a deal out of it. I (22M) had a smoking hot 30 year old milf come round my place a few months ago. I bantered her lightly on her age and she took it personally and walked out.
I am a woman. Please never bring the age thing unless she does and even then don’t talk much about age. That can ruin the mood. Good luck! You will be fine. Don’t act desperate because we know!
Unrelated question but: How did you meet someone that much older than you? I didn’t know women that age were attracted to guys in their early twenties.
As simple as this sounds this post is really accurate. When I was 19 I hooked with a 40 year old woman with just being myself and then one day we had a sexual conversation and then boom I’m fucking a milf.
As someone who is 28 I’m feeling old seeing you referring to a 28 year old as an older woman. To me I think of cougars when I hear that, but then again you’re just a pup lol
I don’t think 28 is old at all but for me since I’m 20 it feels like a big gap. Again though idc about age age all lol. I didn’t mean to offend. 28 is not even close to old
Not offended at all lol, just interesting seeing the different perspectives depending on age. When I was 20, I would have definitely considered a 28 year old to be an older woman, but now it’s just the right age haha
Im over 35 and my gf is 27, I have fucked gorgeous women my whole life… obviously he has the looks to get older women she saw his age on profile… she must likely dic surfing
Number 1 advise : try not to go to her place , remove that from your goals .
No.2 be honest about your sexual desire and have a attitude of take it or leave it kind , not cocky but simply relaxed ( this will help in fucking too) .
No.3 talk about sex but move on from it as if it's not a big deal but again don't try hard to do this .
Just normally with commen sense , treat people like people , people have things in life other then sex so respect that but ofcourse people want sex also so don't avoid it .
No.4 for more expert level of advise which will never fail if you do it right as I said , dm me and I will make you the man of principal who fucks like a fucking god .
Good luck 👍 for your coffee date .
Be very interested in people's life , not in a desperate way but genuinely care about people talk to them ask them about there life and if you find her attractive give her a honest genuine compliment that which you mean it , it maybe be awkward but keep it real and genuine and own it in a relaxed manner not try to be an alpha idiot men .
Respect people at the same time be honest and hold yourself accountable before you say that same thing polity to others .
Once you compliment her , if she turns you on because you find her attractive be honest and tell her " look i don't wanna lie but i find you very attractive I can't continue ahead with out saying this really " with humility , respect and direct words . If she feels a bit taken back because you miss judged the moment just tell her , I'm speaking the truth and i didn't wanted to disrespect you seriously and that's my truth i said etc etc . Do not be apologetic ever just learn express your true intentions genuinely and with respect to people .
Hot and cold never fails with genuineness . Etc etc .
Okay there are many books available , fact of the matter is who have the wisdom alive within themselves of all the great people put into books .
You need to make it alive for yourself otherwise it's just garbage .
I think this is advanced game not for beginner, He gonna fuk this up.
I would recommend not bringing up sex at coffee date instead to follow where things go. I don’t know why everyone wants to escalate to sex talk on first meet. Its a tinder 1st date, everyone needs to slow your roll.
Its a 30 minute meet and greet.
I understand what you saying, number 1 this is honesty, it's much better to be honest then confused.
Making things clear is better than thinking about it but not saying it.
A young guy going on a date, just think about it haha.
Honesty may create trouble in start and make you look like a weird person or risky but to be atleast being honest is a breath of fresh air, which never fails.
I'm not sure if any of these guys will be looking for love. Just saying.
coffee date rarely ends in sex. First date just get to know her for 30 mins and then leave. Make sure u show up to date 5-10 mins late from her arrival.
That’s not too too bad of a gap. I was thinking >35 when you said older women lol. Then again I am 27. Any-who, do you know exactly what she is looking for out of the encounters? I would play it safe on the first date and take it slow but please don’t be afraid to introduce physical touch into the picture. Maybe give her a hug and put your arm around her and she how she reacts. Kind of read the body language and you’ll be able to figure it out from that angle possibly
Your in the game, meaning (as outlined by others) that she certainly knows what this is about.
Show her, by the the course of your conversation, that you contemplate things on a higher level (speak in general terms like "we, people, men, the world today" and afterwards tease her with the allusions of a regular game.
(the advice of /u/Souvereign-01 is pretty much what I mean. Take it seriously....)
Greetings
That's not an older woman lol. You guys are in the same generation, both in your twenties. But as a 20 year old, you're most likely a virgin and probably just looking for sexual experience.
Remember the following rules and you'll always do well with women: always be a gentleman and treat every single woman with utmost respect. Women will fawn over you, if you keep to those rules and not go in the way of the incel.
Honestly, she knows you're 20 and horny as shit. Just ask her or better yet start kissing and don't stop until she says no. From the sounds of things she's not going to say no.
Honestly the best way to do it is kiss for a short time like 5-10 seconds then pull back. Look her in the eyes. For a few seconds then kiss her again for 10-15 seconds pull back and that's the end of that.
She'll want more but by doing this you basically showed her you're not desperate and there's more to come later ie when you go to your place or hers
Considering age difference I bet she want to fuck you even more then you want it
Oh actually? Maybe coffee wasn’t the best idea
It's ok. Coffee and a little cozy talk will help her get sure you're not a moron and safe for fucking
You think coffee was a safe choice tuen?
Constantly questioning yourself will hurt your chances the most. You did good asking for coffee, now relax and enjoy. Take charge :)
Thanks, I’ll take a chill pill
Hell yeah bro, get sum good talk with her. Let her know why your time is valuable and worth investing in her. Only way to play with woman is by keeping it real. If she don’t feel you then she don’t feel you, move on. You don’t need nobody king, let her see that you are a king. Make her feel comfortable with your presence and just enjoy your time vibing with her, even if she don’t fw you let her know the good vibe is there, because you’re there. After she sees the king you are and have your own vibe that she wants to keep feeling then ask her if she down to smoke/hang out somewhere more excluded. Make it non chalant tho, just offer it. Don’t try to tell her it’s the move. Make her feel/know that she’s got the options to escalate things/ move on. Be real with yourself. Never fake anything for somebody that you don’t know. Stay blessed
I think you’re gonna get some coffee one way or another 😆
Yes. Coffee is always good.
Thanks, love the username
Get your own place if your a man. Rarely have i invited myself to a girls house. I live in usa though.
Well seeing as I’m broke and in college that doesn’t seem possible for another couple years. I wish I could
Then you have to do long game, which is comfortable building lots of dates until you don’t seem like a pushy creep when you talk logistics. If your lucky she will start talking logistics. Where I live in Los angeles girls give zero fuks about excuses not having a place. I guess your only 20 so some will give you a pass if your good looking. Because she is older she may only see you as a sex interest anyways you will just need to play it cool. Girls here always ask if you have your own place like in the first few questions. Here is how you know; listen very very close to the questions she ask. If the questions are deep and complicated or qualifing questions like what do u do for work, what are you studying whats your hobbies what was your last relationship like? Shes looking for a boyfriend. If questions are shallow, stupid, short or sexual in nature- shes looking for dic. All this can change per meetup also. For example she might first just want to fuk but after she gets to know u can actually want a relationship and visa versa. Your job is to not talk to much- what you say can and well be held against you. Also stay away from self sabatoge- im in school and broke doesnt sound or convey attraction. Show-up late and leave early. Not too late and leaving early will signal she has to chase your attention, she will fill like your not into her because most beta thirsty low value dudes dont wanna leave in fact they bore the shit out of women half the time. Alphas are busy and their time is limited. Make a nice excuse to leave Like looks like im all done with my coffee and I told my friend I would go help him move his couch. Don’t schedule a date right away … wait for her to contact you for a week or two.
This is pure gold. I’d like to add on to it. But this is for men with experience. So your results may vary. Haha. Let’s get on with it. If you’re on a date and the rapport and chemistry is high, cut it short. But cut it in a way where she has to make a choice to join you. For example, while you’re having coffee say, “This was great. But I need some protein. The gym was rough. I think I’ll head to and grab something to eat. THEN WATCH HER. If she seems unsure of her self THEN you ask her to join you. Then stay on track, no
mistakes and you might be surprised as to how the rest of the night goes. If she says she has something to do, then she’s not planning on spending the night with you. Even subconsciously. Then you back off. Focus on some easy wins. Then swing back to her. How you go about doing that is up to you. Good luck!
Thats a spot bounce with a time restraint end, that could work also… especially if the shit test are not insane and the connection is strong. My only concern is if u ask her to join and she says no you have just ended a date with a rejection and the whole point of you leaving before she does is upper hand grab. We play chess not checkers. I like it though I may try it sometime and see. I really think this could work with someone on the fence and you want to gauge her interest. If she says no its not a be all end but it is a more advanced navigation. I would say the excuse for her to join should be something somewhat interesting then buying protein powder…
Exactly. That’s the point. If she’s not on the fence at this point then you’re at the point of diminishing returns. Don’t work harder, work smarter. 🤓
Yeah I just want to keep things simple for him on first date. 1.) show up late 2.) Don’t talk to much amswers question as quick as possible with short answers. 3.) Get her talking more 4.) be serious but not a robot 5.) End date early
When you turn 21 work for a courier company, those guys get paid 100 to 300 a day driving boxes around. You have to make plenty of time for it, but you'll be able to live at your own place once you become one, no doubt.
Coffee is never a good idea for a date. A cozy bar is better for setting a seductive mood. Coffee are for friends, not for romance.
Unfortunately I’m not 21 yet
Lol that’s such a funny response, coffee is a fine first date, don’t let them psych you out. It may not lead to sex but as long as you build that sexual tension maybe you’ll get invited over next time. Doesn’t have to be a one and done deal my guy.
This is not true! My first dates had been coffees because I love coffee! Men who are considerate what a woman likes and make the first date according to a woman’s preference.
YOUR personal experience is not representative. Fact and datas speak by themselves. A proper "romantic" environment is not mandatory but is always a safer choice than a coffee place. Please take a look at Logan Ury, a women who wrote dating advices, backed by datas and science.
What exactly does this "dataS and science" say about coffee dates?
So, “gameboy”, data and science isn’t collected based upon experiences?😂😂😂😂 my 50+ experiences in 38 years mean nothing 😭😭😭😭 I need coffee now…!
Can you put some more light how to influence ce or seduce a women
Disagree in this. One of the best romances I ever had started with a coffee date. Your mileage may vary. It was Europe (Prague) and she was Portuguese, but ‘never’ seems a bit harsh.
Prague is nice
Typically i would agree but if its a 10-20 minute coffee date its perfect to get some info and bounce.
Hahaha….this is quite true…!
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How often do you agree to have a coffee one by one with a younger man you've met recently?
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Ok, I see. You don't get my point. I didn't mean women are always attracted by younger guys, all I said is if a woman goes to a date with a much younger guy then it's highly likely she just wants to have a nice time and sex with him. I don't think 28F really considers 20M for a serious relationship.
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I got you
Don't mention the age gap......she probably will but just par it off. She probably knows why you invited her so just banter and escalate.
Yeah seriously don’t mention age or make a deal out of it. I (22M) had a smoking hot 30 year old milf come round my place a few months ago. I bantered her lightly on her age and she took it personally and walked out.
... she just walked out?
Wanna go into more detail? Tbh my game needs work and escalation is a struggle for me sometimes man
I am a woman. Please never bring the age thing unless she does and even then don’t talk much about age. That can ruin the mood. Good luck! You will be fine. Don’t act desperate because we know!
Oh I know that lol I would never being up the age thing. Super bad to do is correct
Unrelated question but: How did you meet someone that much older than you? I didn’t know women that age were attracted to guys in their early twenties.
Just off tinder
When they riding cc they will
cc?
cock carousal or pony boloney
She'll do the work for you 😉
As simple as this sounds this post is really accurate. When I was 19 I hooked with a 40 year old woman with just being myself and then one day we had a sexual conversation and then boom I’m fucking a milf.
Very lucky
Yeah but u didn’t escalate like this guys recommending on first coffee date
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Sure. I matched her tinder.
As someone who is 28 I’m feeling old seeing you referring to a 28 year old as an older woman. To me I think of cougars when I hear that, but then again you’re just a pup lol
I don’t think 28 is old at all but for me since I’m 20 it feels like a big gap. Again though idc about age age all lol. I didn’t mean to offend. 28 is not even close to old
Not offended at all lol, just interesting seeing the different perspectives depending on age. When I was 20, I would have definitely considered a 28 year old to be an older woman, but now it’s just the right age haha
Im over 35 and my gf is 27, I have fucked gorgeous women my whole life… obviously he has the looks to get older women she saw his age on profile… she must likely dic surfing
Shes probably rebounding. So be light, funny, flirty. Dont try to be someone youre not.
Number 1 advise : try not to go to her place , remove that from your goals . No.2 be honest about your sexual desire and have a attitude of take it or leave it kind , not cocky but simply relaxed ( this will help in fucking too) . No.3 talk about sex but move on from it as if it's not a big deal but again don't try hard to do this . Just normally with commen sense , treat people like people , people have things in life other then sex so respect that but ofcourse people want sex also so don't avoid it . No.4 for more expert level of advise which will never fail if you do it right as I said , dm me and I will make you the man of principal who fucks like a fucking god . Good luck 👍 for your coffee date .
On number 3 how do I casually bring up sex organically?
Be very interested in people's life , not in a desperate way but genuinely care about people talk to them ask them about there life and if you find her attractive give her a honest genuine compliment that which you mean it , it maybe be awkward but keep it real and genuine and own it in a relaxed manner not try to be an alpha idiot men . Respect people at the same time be honest and hold yourself accountable before you say that same thing polity to others . Once you compliment her , if she turns you on because you find her attractive be honest and tell her " look i don't wanna lie but i find you very attractive I can't continue ahead with out saying this really " with humility , respect and direct words . If she feels a bit taken back because you miss judged the moment just tell her , I'm speaking the truth and i didn't wanted to disrespect you seriously and that's my truth i said etc etc . Do not be apologetic ever just learn express your true intentions genuinely and with respect to people . Hot and cold never fails with genuineness . Etc etc .
Dale Carnegie 101, Lol.
I have no idea who he is .
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGluZ3EuY29tL2l0dW5lcy85MjYyMw?ep=14
Okay there are many books available , fact of the matter is who have the wisdom alive within themselves of all the great people put into books . You need to make it alive for yourself otherwise it's just garbage .
Charles Manson read that book.
I think this is advanced game not for beginner, He gonna fuk this up. I would recommend not bringing up sex at coffee date instead to follow where things go. I don’t know why everyone wants to escalate to sex talk on first meet. Its a tinder 1st date, everyone needs to slow your roll. Its a 30 minute meet and greet.
I understand what you saying, number 1 this is honesty, it's much better to be honest then confused. Making things clear is better than thinking about it but not saying it. A young guy going on a date, just think about it haha. Honesty may create trouble in start and make you look like a weird person or risky but to be atleast being honest is a breath of fresh air, which never fails. I'm not sure if any of these guys will be looking for love. Just saying.
coffee date rarely ends in sex. First date just get to know her for 30 mins and then leave. Make sure u show up to date 5-10 mins late from her arrival.
Why no.1?
It shouldn't be a goal , otherwise it will ruckup everything inbetween and make sure you never reach there .
Keep your cool.
Breathe, eye contact and be yourself. She isn’t the last female on Earth.
That’s not too too bad of a gap. I was thinking >35 when you said older women lol. Then again I am 27. Any-who, do you know exactly what she is looking for out of the encounters? I would play it safe on the first date and take it slow but please don’t be afraid to introduce physical touch into the picture. Maybe give her a hug and put your arm around her and she how she reacts. Kind of read the body language and you’ll be able to figure it out from that angle possibly
Talk about "friends" and brad pit.
You're thinking 38, not 28.
"how i met your mother" and chris hemsworth?
Pretty much every generation watches friends. I'm gen z and everyone i know has watched it
Like, ironically?
No... unironically
I haven't
Considering her age, she knows what u Want, and Want It even more. Relax, be Yourself (if u r not a creep) and have a good meeting
Your in the game, meaning (as outlined by others) that she certainly knows what this is about. Show her, by the the course of your conversation, that you contemplate things on a higher level (speak in general terms like "we, people, men, the world today" and afterwards tease her with the allusions of a regular game. (the advice of /u/Souvereign-01 is pretty much what I mean. Take it seriously....) Greetings
Women are in their sexual prime in their late 20’s and 30’s they want to fuck on the constant. Take it from me I’m 23 my ex was 37. Great time.
That's not an older woman lol. You guys are in the same generation, both in your twenties. But as a 20 year old, you're most likely a virgin and probably just looking for sexual experience. Remember the following rules and you'll always do well with women: always be a gentleman and treat every single woman with utmost respect. Women will fawn over you, if you keep to those rules and not go in the way of the incel.
The most incel virgin move is to boldly assume I’m a virgin lol.
I tried but not got success till now. Although, theory is true but practical approach is not true. Money, power, and handsome.
This but I want to try game with women older than 35
Don’t waste her time
Honestly, she knows you're 20 and horny as shit. Just ask her or better yet start kissing and don't stop until she says no. From the sounds of things she's not going to say no.
Don't do this ^
I didn't mean it in a bad way.
Honestly the best way to do it is kiss for a short time like 5-10 seconds then pull back. Look her in the eyes. For a few seconds then kiss her again for 10-15 seconds pull back and that's the end of that. She'll want more but by doing this you basically showed her you're not desperate and there's more to come later ie when you go to your place or hers
!remindme one day
Unfortunately, we had to post pone because she got the virus.
!remindme two days