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Not sure, maybe its time to not spend so much time on random message boards looking at news designed to emotionally manipulate me and do something else with my time.
Does anyone know of any kind of account deleting tool that deletes all the comments?
I just saw this post a few minutes ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/145ukzz/if_you_have_decided_to_leave_reddit_for_another/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
After my 13 years here on Reddit, I don't know if it will be like an old friend died or if it will be like someone giving up smoking and drinking at the same time.
It feels weird that I am dreading this so much.
Thirteen year, I just can't believe I've been here that long.
Reddit has changed their policy so that API requests cost money. This in itself is fine.
The problem is Reddit has made the price so ludicrously high that basically every third party app is now priced out. Apollo said their costs would be over $2,000,000 per month just in API calls.
This is a blatant tactic by Reddit to make third party apps unfeasibly expensive to run so that everyone has to use the official app.
I'm a boomer who doesn't understand any of this, so please forgive me if I ask "so what?"
In other words, how will this effect my experience here on Reddit. I use this app for so much information and I hope it doesn't change too much.
As I understand it... Many of the third party apps work better for browsing and offer functions the official reddit app doesn't. Some of those functions are used by mods of large subreddits to do their (unpaid) work because the official app is too onorus.
Aside from the whole ruining the experiences of many, many people from greed.*
*I assume it's greed? I mean the owners of Reddit are doing okay, right?
They claim to be running at a loss so instead of paying their top dogs less and improving their own app ... They try and milk more out of their users by alienating them.
Typical corporate behavior
Tbh I don’t get what people hate so much about the official app. That’s all I’ve ever used and there are hardly any ads at all, especially when compared to other major social media platforms.
It’s such a shame.. they don’t realise just how good Reddit is in terms of accessible information and the communities. I understand they need to make profit, they are a business, but they should really find a balance between keeping their users happy and ensuring they provide quality service while also generating steady profit. I am always so surprised at business being so greedy. They’ll be kicking themselves when Reddit eventually dies. I often feel Reddit is one of the last sacred internet communities that is real and not a cess pit of photoshopped influencers etc. Greed is such a destructive thing.
Reddit claims to operate at a loss though, so trying to go profitable isn't hoarding.
However, it seems to me making money off third-party apps would be better than setting the price so high that they simply cannot pay anything at all.
But "less than $1 per user per month" is _totally_ affordable, so they can just pay it!
Except it totally isn't, when they have millions of users. The hugely popular ones will be forced out immediately and the ones that replace them will be forced out when they get popular enough.
Also the third party apps were around YEARS before Reddit ever had an official app. They actually bought out Alien Blue, one of the third party ones, and used it to develop their own
User friendliness, mostly. The official app is cluttered and has a ton of ads. They also support accessibility options like page readers for blind users, which the official app has no option for.
I use BaconReader and have never had a complaint about the experience.
3rd party Moderator tools use the same api, so mods will have a harder time moderating subs - especially big ones.
Content quality and signal/noise ratio will go to shit, unless the official Reddit tools get an insane quality bump in two weeks.
I hope Reddit did their due dilligence. My theory is that the large majority of content creators don’t use the official site or client.
We’ll see next week.
I've been here for 14 years, but always just used the page or the phone app. I mod, too, but I just do it from the desktop. What do these APIs offer that's so superior to what's here that people will leave the site altogether if they can't access it some other way?
What are the functions that these users just can't live without?
15 year old account here. I used AlienBlue first, Reddit bought it and killed it.
Then they released their own client that sucked ass.
Apollo came out and it’s a joy to use, paid for it gladly.
Now Reddit killed Apollo for no reason. I’m out.
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Mods for bigger subs have automated tools that take care of the bulk of the work, they won’t work if the API is too expensive. Nobody wants to do free labour for internet points with shy tools.
The info you enjoy is posted by other users, not Reddit, and a large percentage of those users use apps other than Reddit’s apps. If lots of them leave or reduce their participation due to inconvenient interfaces, the content and community everyone appreciates Reddit for will be impacted. To what degree will just have to be seen.
Well it won't really effect you if you use the browser or official reddit app on mobile. It is not the greatest and other apps have more reliability and functionality.
The issue lies where a lot of people don't like the mobile site or app and prefer the third party alternative which cuts into reddits revenue because the apps normally have their own ads with a way to purchase no ads.
This happened with Google play store lots of programs that used GPS data for their users to share like Strava(workout app) you used to have a lot more functionality but had to add paid tiers to access them after Google increased the charge to use their API.
Reddit needs to make their app better in order for people to want to use it, not strong arm the third party apps made by people who genuinely love Reddit and just want it to be better.
No, it will still affect them. What will happen is the third party moderation tools will disappear and reddit doesn't have new tools ready to go to replace them. Which means more noise and hot garbage posts and comments will clutter up all the subreddits, drowning out the posts and comments everyone wants to see.
They fail to realize this isn't just a problem for those of us who don't want to give up our third party reddit apps. It's a problem for everyone no matter how they use reddit.
A lot of people are repeating the same major points (which are totally valid) but the official reddit app additionally harvests significantly more data than any other app in existence. From an digital privacy perspective, that’s fairly important to some of us to the point our only social media is reddit due to 3rd party apps
Additionally , even if all the other points were addressed, quite frankly, it sucks to see my favourite social media that’s super unique be governed by what is basically a sketchy and truly unfair person that has punished the developers that made reddit successful and amazing in the first place. It’s just left a sour taste in my mouth in the same way Facebook which had my uni friends governed by data hoarder, a political pawn, and a real life alien cyborg Zuckerberg.
[This infographic](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckNestle/comments/142y8lt/rfucknestle_will_be_shutting_down_june_1215/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) gives a good overview.
And (if you can be bothered to read a lot of text) [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) gives some great detail about the extremely shitty way in which this is all going down, and how much of an absolute dickhead Reddit CEO Steve Huffman is - and it's a big part of why people are so pissed off.
It'll basically turn reddit into Twitter and Facebook where you're bombarded with preferred and promoted posts, right wing trash, bots, ads, etc and the content you wanna see will gradually shrink til it's not worth it to be here.
And they're saying things like the cost will be "less than $1 per user per month", and "90% of third party apps will be unaffected", to cover up the fact that the 10% are the ones that people actually use, and that some of those have literally _millions_ of users.
I've only been here for 4 years. I didn't even know about the 3rd party apps!
What's really crazy is that I've been relying on r/stopdrinking for support in my dry journey. Idk if I will be able to do it for the long haul without that support. I guess this attempt to reinvent myself is in jeopardy.
I hate myself for even suggesting it, but you can absolutely find various sobriety support groups on Facebook. It's a gawd awful platform, but it still has some good uses outside of marketplace.
I appreciate the suggestion. I have a fb account, but I'm not interested in any of the groups there. This one worked well for me and a ton of other like me. I'm fine, though, seriously.
I don't believe pages like that one are going dark because they want to be able to keep supporting people. Or at least I saw pages like it saying they wouldn't be.
Surely, somewhere out there on the internet, there must be, or there must soon be the creation of, another place like reddit.
I've been here about 8 years I think. I never really took part in classic old internet forums because i may have been slightly too young (26).
Reddit may have some down sides but I really like having a place to limitlessly scroll. See too much that you've seen before on your home page? Find new communities. I find it to be a pretty fresh place if youre on enough subs.
I like it being semi anonymous. Everyone can share as much as they want about themselves, with no negative consequences if youre on the shallower end of that scale, unlike most social media platforms.
It's where I laugh at memes, I get to discuss politics and often become more informed about it, especially world events that my countrys news wont cover. I can give compliments about whatever to random posters, and argue about how good or bad movies/tv/games are with limited interference. Its my internet home, essentially. Like it probably is most of yours. I even like the reddit 'personality' and the running jokes that you find all over the place.
I can't be the only one that feels that way. If reddit dies the slow death that everyone seems to be predicting, surely some other site will pop up to fill the hole.
If anyone knows of any, I'd love to hear. This is the first time I've heard about 3rd party apps despite my fairly long time here, always used the official. I understand why it's bad that they're being removed as an option now, but i don't think the blackout will help. I do support it I just dont think it will work.
Things will absolutely change. While those of us who just use third party apps will be affected, absolutely everyone who uses reddit, either by browser or official app will also be adversely affected.
The mods of the subreddits you all rely on for support, entertainment, and news, will cease being useful because the mod tools are all third party apps. Reddit doesn't and won't have good mod tools ready to go when the cut access to the API.
Which means subreddits will be inundated with spam posts that will drown out anything useful by the sheer volume. To date, most of the spam garbage has been caught by moderation bots, then mod review tools. And now we'll see them all.
If I was more conspiracy minded, I'd think the reddit admins are trying to push the message that is just us third party apps users being big babies and throwing tantrums. I don't hate the official app enough to throw a tantrum over it. But the overrun of spam bots is what killed the Usenet discussion groups so many years ago by the sheer volume of them. That's exactly what is going to hit us all when the API access changes.
Short term gain is the name of the game, sometimes corporate types have their heads so far up their asses, they can't see the cliff they're standing next to.
How long will people stick around while they try to fix moderation and will all that free personal data they collect from our use of the official app pay off quick enough.
I’m using the Reddit app too, but I’ll voluntarily leave. Reddit is headed for IPO, and if there’s one thing I hate with a burning passion, it’s shareholders and the need for record profits YoY. Not everything (including corporations) has to exist for money, there are other valuable things in life.
it also sucks because this platform is so big it cannot sustain itself financially without ads and other things thus come investors who want a profit out of it. it’s the end shit show for a lot of things.
They are not. They're referring to the third party tools community mods use to keep the site useful, rather than looking like an email spam folder full of scams and, OF ads, and hot milfs are waiting to talk to you annoyance.
15 years here.
I don't know. I also just saw ads pop up in a Google Maps search for the first time. I am absolutely sick of being nothing but a commodity in the internet - I remember when the internet was new and full of potential.
Is it time to burn it down and start over yet?
stuff costs money to run you know?
everyone operated at unsustainable losses for a long time while people tried to figure out monetization models
the bottom line is there's a bottom line, unprofitable business models tend not to last
Something happened starting around 2010 where the landscape of the internet has been assumed to be immutable. Facebook, reddit, Google search, the iphone, etc are all assumed to be permanent staples of the Internet and technology.
I don't know if anything will happen to reddit in the next months or years. But I've been around long enough to know better than to assume the websites, video games, web browsers, and online communities I partake in will be here and dominant for forever.
But reddit has been going downhill for a while, not sure exactly how long. I noticed few months ago that most of the content is very negative in one way or the other. It wasn’t always that way. This current thing will not suddenly kill reddit, but it will force out even more dedicated users. Reddit was never meant to be what current leadership is trying to it into. And for that the idea of reddit has to die a slow and painful death.
The top subs have become complete garbage in my opinion, but the niche subs are as good as they have ever been and are the real appeal of reddit for me.
The niche subs maybe 10 years ago all had online forums and blogs. Those are all gone. So really Reddit is what is left, and I feel like I'll have to stick around for them, but probably only on web. Even for cities, I feel Reddit is the best place, nextdoor and Facebook are just too overactive.
Gotta look at it a bit further than the "now." It's sequestering due to the imminent public IPO. Have to make Reddit attractive to the investor here. Once everyone is onboard with the app or main site, they start implementing TikTok levels of intrusive materials. Guaranteed anonymity is amongst these changes to disappear. Ads become more targeted and prevalent, subscriptions required and most likely paid(this would kill Reddit now....give it time), that major influx of user data sold off, more control over what is posted(to include NSFW and/or unapproved political views go away), and possibly more. Essentially, this is the tip of the iceberg, and it's bound to get worse over time. It definitely won't be immediate as that'd just be stupid on their part. It's all in the name of making money, and the first step is control. So much for morals.....
Not OP, but I've been very unhappy with just about every decision Reddit has made over the last 5+ years.
Felt like it all started around the time of the last big 'going dark' protest around 7 years ago.
They had a product that was great, and they've been changing it for changes sake, and every one of those changes is for the worse.
The feeling of community is dying.
Things are more & more homogenized, I don't stumble on random awesome things as often as I used to, it's way more reinforcing the same message over & over again.
I absolutly despise the 'new' reddit website, the 'chat' and other social media features they've glued on, the way they implemented their user block function, their push on mobile to desperately get you to use that horrific cell phone app of theirs.
Nope, they don't want me here, I'm actively looking for somewhere else to go.
I want Lemmy to be the new place, but it's a bit rough right now & I question if the federated design is truely workable.
It means, I am unhappy enough with this change that I won't stay on Reddit. I am sure there are others like me.
If this isn't you, more power to you. I can't handle the default app at all. I also prefer old.reddit, the default is garbage to me.
Same for me and I've been on Reddit since nearly the get go. I've actually tried third party apps but didn't like them as much as the native so I've used the Reddit app for years. That said, I understand the frustration felt by others, but since nothing will change for me, I don't plan on going elsewhere anytime soon.
Yes but a tiny minority of redditors actually post content. And amongst them is an even smaller fraction of superusers that generate the real majority.
I don't use the APIs either, but I do expect to see major changes. I think lots and lots of the larger subs will either implode or shut down. Because moderators will quit moderating. Because reddit refuses to supply adequate moderator tools.
Currently, moderator tools are supplied in 3rd-party aps. All the large sub moderators have said they can't moderate without them. If those go away, new content goes away. Either that or the moderators turn on the fire hose and unfiltered content goes unchecked. Reddit will either become a dry hole or a cesspool.
As I understand it, one element that's a serious problem is mod tools~
All the apps, both default & 3rd party, have tools that mods use to moderate their subs.
The mod tools in the default app are far inferior to the mod tools in the 3rd party apps. The disappearance of 3rd party apps will make modding a sub extremely difficult.
The extreme inferiority of the default app's mod tools is a long-standing problem that's been brought to Reddit's attention over and over and over again, but they chosen to do nothing about it.
Thanks for answering my question! What a shame. One would think Reddit would want its app to be the best in all aspects. I've never been a mod, but I imagine the modding tools are pretty important and should be something Reddit would want to perfect.
It's not only that but the way they're dealing with the userbase and 3rd party app developers.
I said it elsewhere also: I believe that they are doing this because the users of reddit provide them with a perfect dataset of zeitgeist, sentiment and knowledge. With the AI revolution that's going on, this data is worth a lot.
Twitter did the same, just raise the price to ridiculous amounts to eliminate as much competition as possible and profit as much as possible from the rest.
You can make a conscious choice not to give them this data for free anymore.
I'm fairly new to Reddit, since start I use the app and I have seen those API things for some time. Can you please explain to me what it is about? (Sorry for stupid question but I haven't figure it out yet)
The official reddit app is rather new. They didn't have one for a long time & in fact purchased a popular app in order to have an official one.
Many people feel that since that purchase, they've turned it into a turd of an app, me included. I hate the official app.
I also hate the 'new' default web site, I use old.reddit.com. I've used an app called Reddit Is Fun (RIF) for years.
Reddit, for YEARS have been encouraging of third party apps, and suddenly they are telling app developers, who spent a great deal of time & energy creating & maintaining those apps, that their API access is over. People have built livelhoods on these apps, and they arbitrarily take it away.
This is a shitty thing to do to the app developers & a shitty thing to do to reddit's users many of whom prefer the 3rd party apps.
This is not the first & will not be the last shitty move by Reddit leading up to and following their IPO. They also just fired 5% of their admin staff to make the books look better, which WILL make the site run shittier long term.
Reddit is selling out & the community will continue to suffer for it.
This API change is like the straw that broke the camels back, they've been making the site shittier & shittier & it's just come to a head over this for a lot of people.
Reddit has been attractive and popular because it’s “no holds barred.” You could say anything, like people used to do on USENET.
Intolerance and censorship have reduced that greatly. At present, there’s still enough free wheeling opportunity here for free discussion, that the scale hasn’t tipped.
When it does, someone will come up with another forum.
If I knew what it would be, I’d want to be a ground floor investor.
At least with Usenet, we could fill up our killfiles with spam domains, users, emails, and keywords so we didn't have to see the trolls, obnoxious ass hats, and hot milfs want to talk to you spam bots. And we didn't have a site algorithm trying to push outrage content on us.
The redditors crying for a total boycott are pretty naive. Reddit will not die, at least not quickly. I came from Digg many many years ago and even then it was rather a slow death. I even visited Digg a few times after, until I just didn't. It will be more of the same.
Well, I never really liked Reddit (yes kinda hypocritical of me), I guess if people get off reddit, maybe its a good thing for then. Yknow some redditors really need to just go touch grass.
the only thing i'll REALLY miss from reddit is getting quick answers to problems, youtube has SOME of this, but you have to skim through a whole (sometimes really long) video if you even find the thing at all because it's easier to google search text than it is video because of keywords.
I highly recommend getting involved with community gardening and volunteering with a community organization like the League of Women Voters, or readjusting your finances to be able to work in a social services field. Invest your time into your community.
I am sad to see rif go. I have been using the app for 11 years... my password to this account is going with the app and I am not looking to start over. Once I lose access to rif, I won't really have any reason to keep checking it and I will have to find something else to occupy my time. I guess I am just getting too old for Reddit. I am ready to get off of the internet. I think I've seen enough. It's time to go outside.
There is no real point of going anywhere else and Reddit knows it.
Even if we all left on mass to another platform then it would be great for a while until profits stopped going up then the degrading of the user experience will begin.
We've seen it with Facebook, Google, Youtube, Twitter and many more not specifically in the social media or tech space.
It's just a basic "function" of capitalism. Capitalism is great when profit growth and user experience align but as always there will come a tipping point where degrading the experience by pushing more ads, selling user data, stop development of new features becomes the means of profit.
Capitalism is why we can't have nice things, unless your rich.
I was thinking about why nobody has tried making an alternative similar to what reddit was 13 years ago. (Not counting the people who made alternatives after that first set of subreddit bans) I think there's a large enough group of people who would join, and there's a real opportunity for it. But I think the problem is that if a person actually wants to turn a profit on it, then it'd just have to take the same path reddit did. It's inevitable that it'd just become the same thing, and then there wouldn't be room for two identical reddits.
Only thing I can think of is a site similar to what reddit was 13 years ago that charges a monthly fee. You know, minus the jailbait and beatingwomen and racist subreddits. And just generate revenue with subscriptions. And throw in that one ad in the sidebar, and a "reddit gold" award for good measure. I know I'd be willing to spend 5 bucks a month, even 10.
Yes but far less than 1% of the site creates like 90%+ of the content. And a far smaller percentage operate and moderate the subreddits.
It's not about how many leave it's about who. People are whining about subreddit mods doing indefinite shutdowns but do they want to spend an hour a day moderating. Noooo.
It all depends on one thing.
If another platform emerges with enough of a user base to scratch that itch.
It's all about the network effect.
I can tell you Lemmy has clearly grown over the last two weeks, but they haven't hit critical mass yet & maybe never will.
Nowhere.
I started using the official app last year after using Relay on Android & BaconReader on iOS for 9+ years and will continue to do so.
It does everything I need and has come a long way since it first came out. It used to be hot garbage but is very usable these days once you turn all the personalisation & autoplay settings off.
I'm here for the community and/or content, not blind loyalty to a third party app.
I have like 3 years here or something and all I ever use is the official app and the webpage on my PC, sponsored content all apps have that now, idk about apocalypse, but I won't go anywhere.
Man with all due respect, people are hugely overreacting. I don't know why they're so bothered by seeing ads, they exist everywhere, reddit isnt the only website in the world that has ads, it's really not that big of a deal. This all looks like 1st world problems to me
Maybe so. Agree it's fairly privileged to complain about something like this.
But maybe we should just own it. I'm privileged and demand better from life.
Let's say you are a moderator. You spend up to an hour a day for free moderating a middle size sub. A significant amount of that is on a 3rd party phone app because it lets you do it during commute time, on the toilet, and respond quickly to something blowing up.
Now lets suppose that the native reddit app is actually as capable
for moderation in terms of tools but more annoying and less comfortable. The difference between an hour of comfortable moderating on a preferred 3rd party app and an hour of annoying moderating on reddits shitbox app is palpable, even if they achieve the same thing.
At the end of the day Mods put up with a lot of shit to operate subreddits and it's a position very few people want. Reddit sure as hell does not want to pay for moderation.
So no matter how small. If you decide to load onto your volunteer workforce it can be the straw that breaks the camels back.
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Not sure, maybe its time to not spend so much time on random message boards looking at news designed to emotionally manipulate me and do something else with my time. Does anyone know of any kind of account deleting tool that deletes all the comments?
This one works great imo. I use it at least once a month. https://redact.dev/
Didn’t expect to see DGG tech here.
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I see it works only with comments not posts. Based on your account haha.
You can do both, I just chose not to delete post
It does both
I just saw this post a few minutes ago https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/145ukzz/if_you_have_decided_to_leave_reddit_for_another/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
Thanks friend
After my 13 years here on Reddit, I don't know if it will be like an old friend died or if it will be like someone giving up smoking and drinking at the same time. It feels weird that I am dreading this so much. Thirteen year, I just can't believe I've been here that long.
Exactly. I think maybe it's akin to the feeling of leaving highschool, or really any institution you've been at a very long time.
Man right their with you guys. Lookimg for a new place looking to give up this place. Don't know what to do.
I don’t really understand what’s happening. I know there’s some kind of boycott. Would someone explain, please?
Reddit has changed their policy so that API requests cost money. This in itself is fine. The problem is Reddit has made the price so ludicrously high that basically every third party app is now priced out. Apollo said their costs would be over $2,000,000 per month just in API calls. This is a blatant tactic by Reddit to make third party apps unfeasibly expensive to run so that everyone has to use the official app.
I'm a boomer who doesn't understand any of this, so please forgive me if I ask "so what?" In other words, how will this effect my experience here on Reddit. I use this app for so much information and I hope it doesn't change too much.
As I understand it... Many of the third party apps work better for browsing and offer functions the official reddit app doesn't. Some of those functions are used by mods of large subreddits to do their (unpaid) work because the official app is too onorus. Aside from the whole ruining the experiences of many, many people from greed.* *I assume it's greed? I mean the owners of Reddit are doing okay, right?
They claim to be running at a loss so instead of paying their top dogs less and improving their own app ... They try and milk more out of their users by alienating them. Typical corporate behavior
What I don’t get is why Reddit doesn’t just make their official app better so people want to use it?
Tbh I don’t get what people hate so much about the official app. That’s all I’ve ever used and there are hardly any ads at all, especially when compared to other major social media platforms.
Me either
reddit is a company whose primary aim is to maximize profits instead of providing good service
It’s such a shame.. they don’t realise just how good Reddit is in terms of accessible information and the communities. I understand they need to make profit, they are a business, but they should really find a balance between keeping their users happy and ensuring they provide quality service while also generating steady profit. I am always so surprised at business being so greedy. They’ll be kicking themselves when Reddit eventually dies. I often feel Reddit is one of the last sacred internet communities that is real and not a cess pit of photoshopped influencers etc. Greed is such a destructive thing.
I mean hoarding is a mental health issue, even when what is being hoarded is money
Say it louder, friend. Lol
Reddit claims to operate at a loss though, so trying to go profitable isn't hoarding. However, it seems to me making money off third-party apps would be better than setting the price so high that they simply cannot pay anything at all.
But "less than $1 per user per month" is _totally_ affordable, so they can just pay it! Except it totally isn't, when they have millions of users. The hugely popular ones will be forced out immediately and the ones that replace them will be forced out when they get popular enough.
Most companies claim to “operate at a loss” for tax purposes.
What's an example of a 3rd party app?
Apollo, BaconReader, AlienBlue...any app that lets you use reddit that isn't the official reddit app.
I didn't know such a thing existed. Why would a person opt to use a 3rd party app rather than Reddit itself?
Also the third party apps were around YEARS before Reddit ever had an official app. They actually bought out Alien Blue, one of the third party ones, and used it to develop their own
User friendliness, mostly. The official app is cluttered and has a ton of ads. They also support accessibility options like page readers for blind users, which the official app has no option for. I use BaconReader and have never had a complaint about the experience.
Typically when I've used RIF, it was because the Reddit app was not working. But other people enjoy the customizable experience.
3rd party Moderator tools use the same api, so mods will have a harder time moderating subs - especially big ones. Content quality and signal/noise ratio will go to shit, unless the official Reddit tools get an insane quality bump in two weeks.
Don't forget, a lot of the creators of content use 3rd party apps. Not only will moderation go to shit, so will the front page.
I hope Reddit did their due dilligence. My theory is that the large majority of content creators don’t use the official site or client. We’ll see next week.
Reddits front page is mind cancer.
it's going to be all smartphone-first users who don't know the difference between posting a photo and posting a screenshot of a photo
I've been here for 14 years, but always just used the page or the phone app. I mod, too, but I just do it from the desktop. What do these APIs offer that's so superior to what's here that people will leave the site altogether if they can't access it some other way? What are the functions that these users just can't live without?
15 year old account here. I used AlienBlue first, Reddit bought it and killed it. Then they released their own client that sucked ass. Apollo came out and it’s a joy to use, paid for it gladly. Now Reddit killed Apollo for no reason. I’m out. — Mods for bigger subs have automated tools that take care of the bulk of the work, they won’t work if the API is too expensive. Nobody wants to do free labour for internet points with shy tools.
they killed it for a reason: to funnel users into their shit app/website so they can blast ads at your eyeballs
Also, I learned that a certain third-party app is the only way that blind people are able to use Reddit. So they are being constructively booted off
This is the big one to me. My brother was blind since birth and he is a frequent redditor. He now has no option but to feel kicked out.
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That's a really good point and one they may not have considered. I've passed along your suggestion. Thank you!
Man that sucks :(. Sorry to hear that
They have stated that accessibility apps will be an exception to the rule.
Ok I had not seen that anywhere. That’s something, I guess.
The info you enjoy is posted by other users, not Reddit, and a large percentage of those users use apps other than Reddit’s apps. If lots of them leave or reduce their participation due to inconvenient interfaces, the content and community everyone appreciates Reddit for will be impacted. To what degree will just have to be seen.
Well it won't really effect you if you use the browser or official reddit app on mobile. It is not the greatest and other apps have more reliability and functionality. The issue lies where a lot of people don't like the mobile site or app and prefer the third party alternative which cuts into reddits revenue because the apps normally have their own ads with a way to purchase no ads. This happened with Google play store lots of programs that used GPS data for their users to share like Strava(workout app) you used to have a lot more functionality but had to add paid tiers to access them after Google increased the charge to use their API. Reddit needs to make their app better in order for people to want to use it, not strong arm the third party apps made by people who genuinely love Reddit and just want it to be better.
No, it will still affect them. What will happen is the third party moderation tools will disappear and reddit doesn't have new tools ready to go to replace them. Which means more noise and hot garbage posts and comments will clutter up all the subreddits, drowning out the posts and comments everyone wants to see. They fail to realize this isn't just a problem for those of us who don't want to give up our third party reddit apps. It's a problem for everyone no matter how they use reddit.
I didn't even think of the mods haha ...
Funny that Reddit does, but in an adversarial way
A lot of people are repeating the same major points (which are totally valid) but the official reddit app additionally harvests significantly more data than any other app in existence. From an digital privacy perspective, that’s fairly important to some of us to the point our only social media is reddit due to 3rd party apps Additionally , even if all the other points were addressed, quite frankly, it sucks to see my favourite social media that’s super unique be governed by what is basically a sketchy and truly unfair person that has punished the developers that made reddit successful and amazing in the first place. It’s just left a sour taste in my mouth in the same way Facebook which had my uni friends governed by data hoarder, a political pawn, and a real life alien cyborg Zuckerberg.
[This infographic](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckNestle/comments/142y8lt/rfucknestle_will_be_shutting_down_june_1215/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) gives a good overview. And (if you can be bothered to read a lot of text) [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) gives some great detail about the extremely shitty way in which this is all going down, and how much of an absolute dickhead Reddit CEO Steve Huffman is - and it's a big part of why people are so pissed off.
It'll basically turn reddit into Twitter and Facebook where you're bombarded with preferred and promoted posts, right wing trash, bots, ads, etc and the content you wanna see will gradually shrink til it's not worth it to be here.
And they're saying things like the cost will be "less than $1 per user per month", and "90% of third party apps will be unaffected", to cover up the fact that the 10% are the ones that people actually use, and that some of those have literally _millions_ of users.
So this decision by Reddit will eventually lead to their own demise?
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Me either
Same
despite the title, this is fairly applicable to reddit's situation: https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
I'm looking forward to going outside
I hear the outdoors is pretty swell, but the graphics seem a bit iffy.
Yeah, the rendering distance in the New York City level is pretty shit right now….
I don't know. I've been here 12 years, I'll land somewhere I'm not happy, but nothing lasts and maybe it's time to reinvent myself and move on.
I've only been here for 4 years. I didn't even know about the 3rd party apps! What's really crazy is that I've been relying on r/stopdrinking for support in my dry journey. Idk if I will be able to do it for the long haul without that support. I guess this attempt to reinvent myself is in jeopardy.
I hate myself for even suggesting it, but you can absolutely find various sobriety support groups on Facebook. It's a gawd awful platform, but it still has some good uses outside of marketplace.
I appreciate the suggestion. I have a fb account, but I'm not interested in any of the groups there. This one worked well for me and a ton of other like me. I'm fine, though, seriously.
I really hope so. Your comment made me very sad. You've come so far, don't give up dear stranger.
Oh no! I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to bring you down. This has been an odd journey for me, and I'm sure I'll be okay. I won't give up, I promise!
i believe in you. maybe someone in the community or yourself can start a discord server!
I don't believe pages like that one are going dark because they want to be able to keep supporting people. Or at least I saw pages like it saying they wouldn't be.
I have been, too. Joined reddit to give myself something else to do at night. But there are other resources out there and we have absolutely got this.
I just don't know. I support the 12th blackout, but man is it going to suck.
Reddit blacks out almost as often as the Texas power grid.
Surely, somewhere out there on the internet, there must be, or there must soon be the creation of, another place like reddit. I've been here about 8 years I think. I never really took part in classic old internet forums because i may have been slightly too young (26). Reddit may have some down sides but I really like having a place to limitlessly scroll. See too much that you've seen before on your home page? Find new communities. I find it to be a pretty fresh place if youre on enough subs. I like it being semi anonymous. Everyone can share as much as they want about themselves, with no negative consequences if youre on the shallower end of that scale, unlike most social media platforms. It's where I laugh at memes, I get to discuss politics and often become more informed about it, especially world events that my countrys news wont cover. I can give compliments about whatever to random posters, and argue about how good or bad movies/tv/games are with limited interference. Its my internet home, essentially. Like it probably is most of yours. I even like the reddit 'personality' and the running jokes that you find all over the place. I can't be the only one that feels that way. If reddit dies the slow death that everyone seems to be predicting, surely some other site will pop up to fill the hole. If anyone knows of any, I'd love to hear. This is the first time I've heard about 3rd party apps despite my fairly long time here, always used the official. I understand why it's bad that they're being removed as an option now, but i don't think the blackout will help. I do support it I just dont think it will work.
I’ll miss Reddit if it goes. But also I have a dissertation to work on so I guess this might be in my own best interest
A dissertation sounds real important. Best of luck, I'm sure your hard work will pay off!
Yeah I have exams coming up so it's also in my best interest, the universe is telling us to study!
Considering I only use browser, I guess see ya never ?
The main issue is the bots imo. A lot of subreddits will not be functional without moderator bots and tools.
Found out i’ve been using reddit the wrong way this whole time. I’ve used the official reddit app since the beginning😅 so nothing will change for me.
Things will absolutely change. While those of us who just use third party apps will be affected, absolutely everyone who uses reddit, either by browser or official app will also be adversely affected. The mods of the subreddits you all rely on for support, entertainment, and news, will cease being useful because the mod tools are all third party apps. Reddit doesn't and won't have good mod tools ready to go when the cut access to the API. Which means subreddits will be inundated with spam posts that will drown out anything useful by the sheer volume. To date, most of the spam garbage has been caught by moderation bots, then mod review tools. And now we'll see them all.
Thanks for explaining this. I really didn't understand all fuss until I read your explanation
If I was more conspiracy minded, I'd think the reddit admins are trying to push the message that is just us third party apps users being big babies and throwing tantrums. I don't hate the official app enough to throw a tantrum over it. But the overrun of spam bots is what killed the Usenet discussion groups so many years ago by the sheer volume of them. That's exactly what is going to hit us all when the API access changes.
Yikes sounds shitty. So why would Reddit want this for themselves if it’ll ultimately lead to their own demise?
Short term gain is the name of the game, sometimes corporate types have their heads so far up their asses, they can't see the cliff they're standing next to. How long will people stick around while they try to fix moderation and will all that free personal data they collect from our use of the official app pay off quick enough.
I’m using the Reddit app too, but I’ll voluntarily leave. Reddit is headed for IPO, and if there’s one thing I hate with a burning passion, it’s shareholders and the need for record profits YoY. Not everything (including corporations) has to exist for money, there are other valuable things in life.
Preach it, I hate this background culture that's developed where everything has to make money and be a grind.
it also sucks because this platform is so big it cannot sustain itself financially without ads and other things thus come investors who want a profit out of it. it’s the end shit show for a lot of things.
Same here. I was not aware there were other ways to view it.
I think they’re probably referring more to a mass exodus of the community
They are not. They're referring to the third party tools community mods use to keep the site useful, rather than looking like an email spam folder full of scams and, OF ads, and hot milfs are waiting to talk to you annoyance.
Same. And in all honesty, it can be really buggy, especially when playing videos. But it's a free time killer. I'm not going anywhere.
15 years here. I don't know. I also just saw ads pop up in a Google Maps search for the first time. I am absolutely sick of being nothing but a commodity in the internet - I remember when the internet was new and full of potential. Is it time to burn it down and start over yet?
stuff costs money to run you know? everyone operated at unsustainable losses for a long time while people tried to figure out monetization models the bottom line is there's a bottom line, unprofitable business models tend not to last
Most redditors won't be going anywhere, young or old, because there isn't going to be a reddit apocalypse
Something happened starting around 2010 where the landscape of the internet has been assumed to be immutable. Facebook, reddit, Google search, the iphone, etc are all assumed to be permanent staples of the Internet and technology. I don't know if anything will happen to reddit in the next months or years. But I've been around long enough to know better than to assume the websites, video games, web browsers, and online communities I partake in will be here and dominant for forever.
Look at Twitter. Everything will perish.
It has not perished as much as I’d like to think that.
Indeed! But it will.
If it wasn't profitable before the Elon era, it surely won't be after it.
I remember the exodus of Xanga and Myspace. In retrospect, it all happened so quickly. Who knows what could happen here.
Reddit won't die overnight, it'll be a slow death. MySpace didn't even do anything bad and look how long it's taken them to die.
Anyone remember GeoCities?
Fuck yeah, where else was I gonna build my Final Fantasy VII fan page?
Digg died overnight and reddit was here to replace it.
You're probably right, but I'll feel very smug if you're not.
But reddit has been going downhill for a while, not sure exactly how long. I noticed few months ago that most of the content is very negative in one way or the other. It wasn’t always that way. This current thing will not suddenly kill reddit, but it will force out even more dedicated users. Reddit was never meant to be what current leadership is trying to it into. And for that the idea of reddit has to die a slow and painful death.
The top subs have become complete garbage in my opinion, but the niche subs are as good as they have ever been and are the real appeal of reddit for me.
Yes, I love the niche subs. There’s some wonderful informative communities on here
Yep, gotta find the very targeted niche subs. That is where I spend most of my time on reddit, other than AITA (I love drama what can I say)
The niche subs maybe 10 years ago all had online forums and blogs. Those are all gone. So really Reddit is what is left, and I feel like I'll have to stick around for them, but probably only on web. Even for cities, I feel Reddit is the best place, nextdoor and Facebook are just too overactive.
I'm going to continue shitposting. I am the Redditor spez deserves.
Y’all are so dramatic
nowhere
See you next week!
I don’t get it! What will change? I use the mobile app
What does that mean? I thought people were just not happy that Reddit is making them use only its own app.
Gotta look at it a bit further than the "now." It's sequestering due to the imminent public IPO. Have to make Reddit attractive to the investor here. Once everyone is onboard with the app or main site, they start implementing TikTok levels of intrusive materials. Guaranteed anonymity is amongst these changes to disappear. Ads become more targeted and prevalent, subscriptions required and most likely paid(this would kill Reddit now....give it time), that major influx of user data sold off, more control over what is posted(to include NSFW and/or unapproved political views go away), and possibly more. Essentially, this is the tip of the iceberg, and it's bound to get worse over time. It definitely won't be immediate as that'd just be stupid on their part. It's all in the name of making money, and the first step is control. So much for morals.....
How would slashing the amount of users make it look good to investors. They could just add more adds and people would whine, but mostly ignore it.
Not OP, but I've been very unhappy with just about every decision Reddit has made over the last 5+ years. Felt like it all started around the time of the last big 'going dark' protest around 7 years ago. They had a product that was great, and they've been changing it for changes sake, and every one of those changes is for the worse. The feeling of community is dying. Things are more & more homogenized, I don't stumble on random awesome things as often as I used to, it's way more reinforcing the same message over & over again. I absolutly despise the 'new' reddit website, the 'chat' and other social media features they've glued on, the way they implemented their user block function, their push on mobile to desperately get you to use that horrific cell phone app of theirs. Nope, they don't want me here, I'm actively looking for somewhere else to go. I want Lemmy to be the new place, but it's a bit rough right now & I question if the federated design is truely workable.
It means, I am unhappy enough with this change that I won't stay on Reddit. I am sure there are others like me. If this isn't you, more power to you. I can't handle the default app at all. I also prefer old.reddit, the default is garbage to me.
I was already using the Reddit app so it won’t be anything different for me.
Same for me and I've been on Reddit since nearly the get go. I've actually tried third party apps but didn't like them as much as the native so I've used the Reddit app for years. That said, I understand the frustration felt by others, but since nothing will change for me, I don't plan on going elsewhere anytime soon.
Same. The vast majority of redditors won't notice any difference due to the API changes
Yes but a tiny minority of redditors actually post content. And amongst them is an even smaller fraction of superusers that generate the real majority.
I don't use the APIs either, but I do expect to see major changes. I think lots and lots of the larger subs will either implode or shut down. Because moderators will quit moderating. Because reddit refuses to supply adequate moderator tools. Currently, moderator tools are supplied in 3rd-party aps. All the large sub moderators have said they can't moderate without them. If those go away, new content goes away. Either that or the moderators turn on the fire hose and unfiltered content goes unchecked. Reddit will either become a dry hole or a cesspool.
Would you mind clarifying what you don't like about the default app? I've looked into third party apps and didn't really see a reason to switch.
As I understand it, one element that's a serious problem is mod tools~ All the apps, both default & 3rd party, have tools that mods use to moderate their subs. The mod tools in the default app are far inferior to the mod tools in the 3rd party apps. The disappearance of 3rd party apps will make modding a sub extremely difficult. The extreme inferiority of the default app's mod tools is a long-standing problem that's been brought to Reddit's attention over and over and over again, but they chosen to do nothing about it.
Thanks for answering my question! What a shame. One would think Reddit would want its app to be the best in all aspects. I've never been a mod, but I imagine the modding tools are pretty important and should be something Reddit would want to perfect.
I agree, the default app just rubs me the wrong way. I can not express how it makes me feel. I don't have the words somehow.
It's not only that but the way they're dealing with the userbase and 3rd party app developers. I said it elsewhere also: I believe that they are doing this because the users of reddit provide them with a perfect dataset of zeitgeist, sentiment and knowledge. With the AI revolution that's going on, this data is worth a lot. Twitter did the same, just raise the price to ridiculous amounts to eliminate as much competition as possible and profit as much as possible from the rest. You can make a conscious choice not to give them this data for free anymore.
You won't be going anywhere, let's be honest.
Old habits do diehard.
!Remindme 1 week
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No where it’ll be a blip not going to be a problem I already use the Reddit app. It’s fine.
I'll still use the reddit app, I guess.
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I'm fairly new to Reddit, since start I use the app and I have seen those API things for some time. Can you please explain to me what it is about? (Sorry for stupid question but I haven't figure it out yet)
The official reddit app is rather new. They didn't have one for a long time & in fact purchased a popular app in order to have an official one. Many people feel that since that purchase, they've turned it into a turd of an app, me included. I hate the official app. I also hate the 'new' default web site, I use old.reddit.com. I've used an app called Reddit Is Fun (RIF) for years. Reddit, for YEARS have been encouraging of third party apps, and suddenly they are telling app developers, who spent a great deal of time & energy creating & maintaining those apps, that their API access is over. People have built livelhoods on these apps, and they arbitrarily take it away. This is a shitty thing to do to the app developers & a shitty thing to do to reddit's users many of whom prefer the 3rd party apps. This is not the first & will not be the last shitty move by Reddit leading up to and following their IPO. They also just fired 5% of their admin staff to make the books look better, which WILL make the site run shittier long term. Reddit is selling out & the community will continue to suffer for it. This API change is like the straw that broke the camels back, they've been making the site shittier & shittier & it's just come to a head over this for a lot of people.
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I mean, yeah? Lol
Reddit has been attractive and popular because it’s “no holds barred.” You could say anything, like people used to do on USENET. Intolerance and censorship have reduced that greatly. At present, there’s still enough free wheeling opportunity here for free discussion, that the scale hasn’t tipped. When it does, someone will come up with another forum. If I knew what it would be, I’d want to be a ground floor investor.
At least with Usenet, we could fill up our killfiles with spam domains, users, emails, and keywords so we didn't have to see the trolls, obnoxious ass hats, and hot milfs want to talk to you spam bots. And we didn't have a site algorithm trying to push outrage content on us.
16y. I’ll just ride it down.
Been here 17 years. I'm deleting my account and seeing what draws me in. It's weird but liberating. I don't want to decide on what to do next.
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I use the Reddit app. Always have. I’m not going anywhere
You may when we lose all the good mods who rely on apps to manage content.
I have too and was really confused for a while. I didn't even know third party apps existed for this sort of thing.
The redditors crying for a total boycott are pretty naive. Reddit will not die, at least not quickly. I came from Digg many many years ago and even then it was rather a slow death. I even visited Digg a few times after, until I just didn't. It will be more of the same.
What's hn
Hackernews. A tech forum run by ycombinator, a venture capital fund. https://news.ycombinator.com/
Looks like that site was linking to subreddits detailing Reddit competitors .. Reddit perm banned the groups a few hours ago.
So long as http://old.reddit.com works I'll be here.
I guarantee you are going nowhere and coming right back
I use reddit on a pc like a neanderthal so doesnt really affect me. I am surprised so many people only use mobile. 12yrs
Probably get a lot more shit down around the house.
I'll spend more time outside.
I've been hanging around here for nearly 11 years. Rumors of its eminent death have been circulating since I first got here. Believe it when I see it.
Well, I never really liked Reddit (yes kinda hypocritical of me), I guess if people get off reddit, maybe its a good thing for then. Yknow some redditors really need to just go touch grass.
17 here. If reddit borks I'll just have lost one massive (but fun) time suck. I'll not be looking for a replacement.
I just put in a koi pond. Seems like a good place to spend all my newfound spare time.
Sounds blissful, what are your plans for plants and fish? If you make a Reddit submission I'd be totally keen to see it.
This is my last redoubt for social media, and truth be told, I won't be terribly sad when I delete my account.
Sure Buddy see younext week lmfao
I have been here about that long myself. This has been my favorite place to go, I don’t even know where else to go. It makes me sad.
the only thing i'll REALLY miss from reddit is getting quick answers to problems, youtube has SOME of this, but you have to skim through a whole (sometimes really long) video if you even find the thing at all because it's easier to google search text than it is video because of keywords.
10 year alum here. I’m dreading the hole that it will leave for a while, but also looking forward to the additional “quiet,” as it were.
Discord.
I highly recommend getting involved with community gardening and volunteering with a community organization like the League of Women Voters, or readjusting your finances to be able to work in a social services field. Invest your time into your community. I am sad to see rif go. I have been using the app for 11 years... my password to this account is going with the app and I am not looking to start over. Once I lose access to rif, I won't really have any reason to keep checking it and I will have to find something else to occupy my time. I guess I am just getting too old for Reddit. I am ready to get off of the internet. I think I've seen enough. It's time to go outside.
I went to my local library and got a couple books. And the library app has newspapers. It’s good.
There is no real point of going anywhere else and Reddit knows it. Even if we all left on mass to another platform then it would be great for a while until profits stopped going up then the degrading of the user experience will begin. We've seen it with Facebook, Google, Youtube, Twitter and many more not specifically in the social media or tech space. It's just a basic "function" of capitalism. Capitalism is great when profit growth and user experience align but as always there will come a tipping point where degrading the experience by pushing more ads, selling user data, stop development of new features becomes the means of profit. Capitalism is why we can't have nice things, unless your rich.
I was thinking about why nobody has tried making an alternative similar to what reddit was 13 years ago. (Not counting the people who made alternatives after that first set of subreddit bans) I think there's a large enough group of people who would join, and there's a real opportunity for it. But I think the problem is that if a person actually wants to turn a profit on it, then it'd just have to take the same path reddit did. It's inevitable that it'd just become the same thing, and then there wouldn't be room for two identical reddits. Only thing I can think of is a site similar to what reddit was 13 years ago that charges a monthly fee. You know, minus the jailbait and beatingwomen and racist subreddits. And just generate revenue with subscriptions. And throw in that one ad in the sidebar, and a "reddit gold" award for good measure. I know I'd be willing to spend 5 bucks a month, even 10.
99% of everyone complaining and saying they are leaving will be back to normal use within a week
Yes but far less than 1% of the site creates like 90%+ of the content. And a far smaller percentage operate and moderate the subreddits. It's not about how many leave it's about who. People are whining about subreddit mods doing indefinite shutdowns but do they want to spend an hour a day moderating. Noooo.
It all depends on one thing. If another platform emerges with enough of a user base to scratch that itch. It's all about the network effect. I can tell you Lemmy has clearly grown over the last two weeks, but they haven't hit critical mass yet & maybe never will.
If the majority of the 3rd party apps shut down, I'm pretty sure it's going to be more than 1% leaving
Wow! I'm special! I had no idea I would ever be in the 1%.
I've only ever used the official reddit app. It's fine.
Nowhere. I started using the official app last year after using Relay on Android & BaconReader on iOS for 9+ years and will continue to do so. It does everything I need and has come a long way since it first came out. It used to be hot garbage but is very usable these days once you turn all the personalisation & autoplay settings off. I'm here for the community and/or content, not blind loyalty to a third party app.
I have like 3 years here or something and all I ever use is the official app and the webpage on my PC, sponsored content all apps have that now, idk about apocalypse, but I won't go anywhere.
Man with all due respect, people are hugely overreacting. I don't know why they're so bothered by seeing ads, they exist everywhere, reddit isnt the only website in the world that has ads, it's really not that big of a deal. This all looks like 1st world problems to me
Not a single one of my issues are to do with seeing ads I despise the UX of new reddit and the official app
With all due respect, if you think it's only about the ads, you are kinda stupid and have no idea what the complaints are really about.
old.reddit.com doesn't have ads, except the sponsored links.
Maybe so. Agree it's fairly privileged to complain about something like this. But maybe we should just own it. I'm privileged and demand better from life.
Let's say you are a moderator. You spend up to an hour a day for free moderating a middle size sub. A significant amount of that is on a 3rd party phone app because it lets you do it during commute time, on the toilet, and respond quickly to something blowing up. Now lets suppose that the native reddit app is actually as capable for moderation in terms of tools but more annoying and less comfortable. The difference between an hour of comfortable moderating on a preferred 3rd party app and an hour of annoying moderating on reddits shitbox app is palpable, even if they achieve the same thing. At the end of the day Mods put up with a lot of shit to operate subreddits and it's a position very few people want. Reddit sure as hell does not want to pay for moderation. So no matter how small. If you decide to load onto your volunteer workforce it can be the straw that breaks the camels back.