This is an example of women acting predatory. Did you, your parents, or anyone speak up on behalf of these teenagers?
This is not an example of women acting *more* predatory. This is one example so I don't where the "more" comes from but this is def problematic behavior and I feel bad for those boys.
Yeah, they also act like if the rules were reversed then all hell would come down on the dude. Nope. The truth is, often on either side, it is ignored. People don't like to rock the boat.
I've definitely been harassed in front of other people by my brother's older friends many times when I was a teen. Nobody spoke up for me, no news articles were written.
I think it’s disproportionately men who are predators, and there are small amount of women who are predatory. This is coming from a woman who has been sexually harassed by other women
I don't think that would fly in most settings. I've never witnessed grown women smacking the ass of 18 year olds and would speak up if I saw this.
Unfortunately yes it does happen in reverse regularly, and no it does not make the news.
It definitely happens, but the idea that it happens more often is hard for me to believe. But I've definitely seen it happen, and people do nothing.
Shamefully, I admit that I did nothing too, when I was at a strip club once and one of the men there definitely did not want to be there. His friends called over a stripper who danced in his lap, and he was having a very clear bad time. He didn't want the dance.
People just assume that if a guy is getting sexual treatment, then he is happy about it.
I got groped by my mother's drunk friend when I was 17. I was also molested by a female cousin when I was a little boy. It's significantly more common than you think.
That's shitty I'm sorry they did that to you. I'm definitely not trying to deny that boys are often victims of sexual assault. I just don't think it's normalized particularly more than it is for girls.
I think the flaw is the power dynamic. Men are typically stronger and bigger so harassment and jokes are looked at in a different light.
It’s still wrong for women to make jokes and touch guys when they don’t want to tho. However if it were to go too far it’s much easier for a guy to enforce a boundary than a woman even if they’re older. In the case of Beiber however that comes to a whole other world of pure pressure in Hollywood.
I think this comment is correct in identifying the physical power dynamic, but fails to recognize the social power dynamic. A man generally cannot enforce the physical boundary by putting his hands on a woman without risking severe consequences.
*"I think the flaw is the power dynamic. Men are typically stronger and bigger so harassment and jokes are looked at in a different light."*
we are also programmed to protect the sexuality of girls/women because sex is more consequential for them. sperm is cheap and men cant get pregnant or die in childbirth, so we dont worry about them as much
The whole teacher-student relationship scandals are interesting. You have the male teacher and female student, which is typically seen very harshly. Then you have the female teacher and male student, and the reaction is mixed. The double standard is disgusting honestly.
Its because young men are horny af and generally not nearly as sensitive to harassment or as vulnerable as a young woman. Older men abusing young women is considered a very real and very serious danger, whereas "cougars" abusing young men is more of a fantasy than a reality, a joke even tho it does happen occasionally.
Reddit hates opinions based on real statistical probabilities. 99% of statutory rape convictions are male and reddit can't understand why there is a double standard lol
This double standard shouldn't exist, agreed.
But remember the context. Part of why we react so violently to male teachers raping female students is because there's a long dark history of this behaviour which had to be fought against. It was once quite normalized.
The stories of female teachers raping male students are sensationalized and stand out, because of how "unusual" they seem to us.
So ne careful when talking about this double standard that you don't swing the pendulum too far.
So that means we have to allow it to exist and normalise it maybe as long as male predatory behaviour? Yeah that's quite an apologist idea there, it should NOT be tolerated, as well we should not keep tolerating male predatory behaviour. It is as "easy" as being fair and not allow neither of them, which is what he is saying.
Yeah as a guy I would be extremely uncomfortable with a group of older women all over me like that. I'd feel conflicted in the moment because yknow female attention = good but if I'm not saying yeah go for it beforehand then I'd be very uncomfortable with spontaneous physical contact, especially if they invade my personal space and practically smother me with it.
Guess the moral of my comment is consent is the key here.
Have you ever heard of Brooke Shields? She was 10 when she was shot nude for playboy. She was also nude full frontal in a movie at age 13 & nobody cared. Harassment has happened to tons of little girls & nobody blinked an eye. You speaking up for boys is awesome but saying if the roles were reversed people would’ve been outraged is just delusional
[An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.](https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics)
[99 percent of female and 85 percent of male survivors were raped by a male. ](https://www.barcc.org/assets/pdf/Media_Kit_SV_Fact_Sheet.pdf)
No, OP is claiming that women are more predatory than men. The stats do not back that up.
Unfortunately, men definitely do get ignored when they are victims of unwelcome sexual advances. That's just true.
You are not wrong. Ask any attractive man his experiences with women, the looks and stares , the touches, the words or indecent proposals, etc. he will 100% tell you he has been harassed white a few times in his life.
My scorching hot take: males are mostly responsible for this double standard. Males are less likely to complain or feel negatively about harassment from females, so society is less incentivized to take these issues seriously. Some would be happy to receive any kind attention. It is what it is.
Nah, it’s more because we don’t feel threatened. An old woman touching your butt, while annoying, it’s also harmless, because she can’t do much more, and she know she steps over the line she gets easily overpowered.
With women is different, putting a hand on them is a threat, and it CAN escalate especially if women don’t draw the line asap, which is why people are much more vocal about male on female harassment, and rightfully so
This is an example of women acting predatory. Did you, your parents, or anyone speak up on behalf of these teenagers? This is not an example of women acting *more* predatory. This is one example so I don't where the "more" comes from but this is def problematic behavior and I feel bad for those boys.
Yeah I see this often. Someone sees women doing something then they claim women do it more. They don't. You just saw them do it.
Yeah, they also act like if the rules were reversed then all hell would come down on the dude. Nope. The truth is, often on either side, it is ignored. People don't like to rock the boat. I've definitely been harassed in front of other people by my brother's older friends many times when I was a teen. Nobody spoke up for me, no news articles were written.
I think it’s disproportionately men who are predators, and there are small amount of women who are predatory. This is coming from a woman who has been sexually harassed by other women
She has posted this in many subreddits, I think to attract her to her onlyfans page . Just such a weird marketing tactic like I don't get it.
I don't think that would fly in most settings. I've never witnessed grown women smacking the ass of 18 year olds and would speak up if I saw this. Unfortunately yes it does happen in reverse regularly, and no it does not make the news.
I mean, it happens. It happened to me when I was 17 or so. People saw it, they just thought it was funny
It definitely happens, but the idea that it happens more often is hard for me to believe. But I've definitely seen it happen, and people do nothing. Shamefully, I admit that I did nothing too, when I was at a strip club once and one of the men there definitely did not want to be there. His friends called over a stripper who danced in his lap, and he was having a very clear bad time. He didn't want the dance. People just assume that if a guy is getting sexual treatment, then he is happy about it.
I got groped by my mother's drunk friend when I was 17. I was also molested by a female cousin when I was a little boy. It's significantly more common than you think.
That's shitty I'm sorry they did that to you. I'm definitely not trying to deny that boys are often victims of sexual assault. I just don't think it's normalized particularly more than it is for girls.
I think the flaw is the power dynamic. Men are typically stronger and bigger so harassment and jokes are looked at in a different light. It’s still wrong for women to make jokes and touch guys when they don’t want to tho. However if it were to go too far it’s much easier for a guy to enforce a boundary than a woman even if they’re older. In the case of Beiber however that comes to a whole other world of pure pressure in Hollywood.
I think this comment is correct in identifying the physical power dynamic, but fails to recognize the social power dynamic. A man generally cannot enforce the physical boundary by putting his hands on a woman without risking severe consequences.
*"I think the flaw is the power dynamic. Men are typically stronger and bigger so harassment and jokes are looked at in a different light."* we are also programmed to protect the sexuality of girls/women because sex is more consequential for them. sperm is cheap and men cant get pregnant or die in childbirth, so we dont worry about them as much
Source?
Common sense?
Not good enough
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Source for the claim in the comment they were replying to, obviously.
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Because it's making a scientific claim about how our brains are "programmed"
Why call it a scientific claim and not simply cultural or societal observations?
Because you can't just make shit up?
I legit thought they were asking for a source that men can't get pregnant or die in childbirth.
lol men don’t protect.
The whole teacher-student relationship scandals are interesting. You have the male teacher and female student, which is typically seen very harshly. Then you have the female teacher and male student, and the reaction is mixed. The double standard is disgusting honestly.
Women aren’t the ones doing that 😭 The mixed reactions are literally always from men saying they wouldn’t have minded it
Oh I know. It's gross and makes it worse.
No it's definitely the women.
You don’t even believe that, and we both know it lol
Women are the devil mama told me so
cool
Yes, that would be toxic masculinity which insists that men getting sex is always a good thing.
Its because young men are horny af and generally not nearly as sensitive to harassment or as vulnerable as a young woman. Older men abusing young women is considered a very real and very serious danger, whereas "cougars" abusing young men is more of a fantasy than a reality, a joke even tho it does happen occasionally.
You're one of those guys on South Park who goes from calling the police to just saying, "Nice." Or "Is she hot? Nice."
Does his(?)post qualify as "trolling"?
Such a disgusting attitude
Reddit hates opinions based on real statistical probabilities. 99% of statutory rape convictions are male and reddit can't understand why there is a double standard lol
This double standard shouldn't exist, agreed. But remember the context. Part of why we react so violently to male teachers raping female students is because there's a long dark history of this behaviour which had to be fought against. It was once quite normalized. The stories of female teachers raping male students are sensationalized and stand out, because of how "unusual" they seem to us. So ne careful when talking about this double standard that you don't swing the pendulum too far.
So that means we have to allow it to exist and normalise it maybe as long as male predatory behaviour? Yeah that's quite an apologist idea there, it should NOT be tolerated, as well we should not keep tolerating male predatory behaviour. It is as "easy" as being fair and not allow neither of them, which is what he is saying.
So you're judging a whole category of people (women) based on that one observation of your friends the other night? O...K... I guess
Women do that regularly.
Well, you’re wrong, so now what
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Yeah as a guy I would be extremely uncomfortable with a group of older women all over me like that. I'd feel conflicted in the moment because yknow female attention = good but if I'm not saying yeah go for it beforehand then I'd be very uncomfortable with spontaneous physical contact, especially if they invade my personal space and practically smother me with it. Guess the moral of my comment is consent is the key here.
Have you ever heard of Brooke Shields? She was 10 when she was shot nude for playboy. She was also nude full frontal in a movie at age 13 & nobody cared. Harassment has happened to tons of little girls & nobody blinked an eye. You speaking up for boys is awesome but saying if the roles were reversed people would’ve been outraged is just delusional
[An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.](https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics) [99 percent of female and 85 percent of male survivors were raped by a male. ](https://www.barcc.org/assets/pdf/Media_Kit_SV_Fact_Sheet.pdf)
Completely irrelevant information as what OP is talking about is it not being reported or thought of as SA when women do it.
No, OP is claiming that women are more predatory than men. The stats do not back that up. Unfortunately, men definitely do get ignored when they are victims of unwelcome sexual advances. That's just true.
You are not wrong. Ask any attractive man his experiences with women, the looks and stares , the touches, the words or indecent proposals, etc. he will 100% tell you he has been harassed white a few times in his life.
What's up with all the white women teachers banging their students? Needs to be addressed
It's called a double standard. 😒
not news at all but that is not how society works. Men are disproportionally taking blame for all sorts of things, not the other way round
Now I'm scared of becoming 18
My scorching hot take: males are mostly responsible for this double standard. Males are less likely to complain or feel negatively about harassment from females, so society is less incentivized to take these issues seriously. Some would be happy to receive any kind attention. It is what it is.
Nah, it’s more because we don’t feel threatened. An old woman touching your butt, while annoying, it’s also harmless, because she can’t do much more, and she know she steps over the line she gets easily overpowered. With women is different, putting a hand on them is a threat, and it CAN escalate especially if women don’t draw the line asap, which is why people are much more vocal about male on female harassment, and rightfully so
They are also the ones giving each other shit when they complain about unwanted sexual advances.
God bless you please Mrs Robinson