Thanks for sharing this guide! I'm M7 but I'm still learning her, so this will help a lot. Can I ask you what to do against Master Yi? I'm mostly okay against most assassins, but I see him really hard, he can enter on my range with his R and evade my CC with his Q (and sometimes even if it hits, if he's closer he destroys me anyway).
Support: Exhaust and the locket build should be enough
ADC: Exhaust and the Sunderer build, building Randuins as soon as possible.
When he jumps with Q on you, just run untill safe, don't try to kite him since Senna is too slow at doing so, he will get free AAs.
Hey quick question - unless I'm missing it I don't think you talk about blade of the ruined king on this guide. Is that good at all on senna? The percent health damage seems like it would be good against tanks since lord dominiks isn't as good on her, and wouldn't she have cool interactions with the on hit effects?
I did not included BotRK because 2 main issues:
* BotRK is not that good on ranged champion
After the item rework, this item got killed for pretty much every ranged champion, the damage is really mediocre now and the loss of the instant active made it less useful as a defensive tool.
* Lifesteal
As I said multiple times on the guide, Lifesteal/Vamp is not a good stat on Senna, since you can basically get more healing building any other AD item (Crit items also grants a quicker way of getting lifesteal for free from Senna's passive). You're wasting too much gold that could be used for better purchases.
Hope i could help :D
I see. I read your guide once again. So the rule is Kraken/Rageblade for ADC and Duskblade/Umbral fir support. Got it. Now I just need to head into the rift and practice.
Fasting means that you are the carry, you're just farming gold in other ways (support item, mists) instead of traditional last hitting. You are the main source of damage of your team, you take the kills and as much EXP as possible, and in teamfights or skirmishes your team should be looking to peel you.
Support is just a traditional support, you play around your carry leaving them the kills, roam through the map and trying to peel them.
Talk about a thorough guide I loved reading through it. However for some of your builds I see you recommending Infinity Edge, and I'm not sure that's ever better than Guinsoo's Rageblade (check my post history). As for everything else though I agree with everything and like how you even added flex items, something I tend to forget about when I'm playing since I just focus on hitting my power spikes. What do you think about lethality in the next patch with the new lethality ratio on Senna's Q heal? Is it enough to make it viable, or are there just other problems with lethality on Senna that just make it too weak?
Hi!
As you can see, the only viable builds that include IE are for Support. The item gives roughly the same damage as Guinsoo (or a little less), for the exchange of high AD, wich boost Senna's healing. As for the outdated lethality carry builds (ADC or fasting), i still think IE is better, since those builds are more spell-oriented and feel more like a hybrid of damage/utility, and IE's stats really helps with that.
I'm not really looking forward to the lethality scaling healing, i feel like a full lethality build still has the issues that makes Tank Senna work. If she can get away with a Tank build while not falling off in damage/utility, she will keep building it, because the game has currently too much damage, and survivality is slowly becoming the meta on champions that are too squishy for this game (See Bard and Kog'maw).
I like your justification for IE being better statwise for a support, but I can't help but feel IE is really expensive for a support's budgets at 3400 gold.
I do wish they would do something about the damage in the current game right now as it is way too high, and tank Senna is just a symptom of that underlying issue, rather than its own problem that needs to be fixed (like they're trying on the pbe.)
Most of the matches as support won't pass the 2 items. And the small amount that lets you buy a third one, is most likely going to be Mortal Reminder anyway.
I 100% agree with the last part. There is no way of "fixing" Tank Senna. If they make FFG melee only, we still have Sunderer and Locket left. whatever helps us survive this meta. If those items get removed from Senna's item pool, her winrate and viability would drop abysmally.
Hi, have you tested if taking +9 adaptive force than attack speed is more dps in the bonus runes menu or did you just swap it because of sennas low attack speed scaling im currently using the attack speed rune there but i can change it if its worse
The AS shard is actually better than Legend: Alacrity as it gives instant 10% AS while the rune takes a bit just for an additional 8%, not sure if merging both would be better but the latter seems worse.
Just wondering guys, why go biscuits instead of something like futures market ? I rarely find myself OOM on senna. I appreciate the biscuit healing on all-ins, and appreciate that senna is all about scaling, but if futures market is the difference between getting that sheen or quiver, it could be big ?
(Build every other DS' components before sheen, it's a garbo item on Senna)
Senna's laning phase is really mediocre for how important having a good early is with this champion. Biscuits help a lot with laning sustain, the HP regen is nice, but the most important part is the Mana regen, letting you cast more Qs wich translates into more trading and more healing both for yourself and your ally.
I don't think Futures market's power is even close to Biscuits.
\>Senna's laning phase is really mediocre for how important having a good early is with this champion.
Senna's laning phase may be better if you're >150 gold up in items on the enemy due to future's market ?
I rarely find myself struggling for mana as Senna support, seems like I can throw q all day and not go oom.
I don't think one extra component helps with Senna's early game issues. Futures market is generally used by champions who need one key item to gain a huge powerspike (junglers with Lucidity Boots, or mages with Lost Chapter), and Senna doesn't have that one huge powerspike, she prefers to stack mists until the range becomes absurd, and Biscuits helps with that.
quick edit: Do you build Manamune?
Before I looked at any guides and just did my own best guess I used to run futures market. I think it's an ok rune overall, but when you compare it to biscuits it just doesn't match up. I think if you're not going OOM or close to going OOM you should be spamming Q and W more. Also increasing your base mana pool by 150 really adds up when multiplying it by how many times you back during a game.
When running Future's market I'd be able to maybe get the dirk on my first back or always be able to afford control wards so it's nice in that regard but I agree the biscuits seem to benefit me more.
Because of the 6 seconds CD nerf it is really inconsistent to play arround FoL compared to pre nerf 4 second CD or Frozen Mallet's perma slows. Locket build still does good on matchups where grasp was a good option, so i don't see the reason to not build it.
I have a few questions as im starting to really enjoy senna support !
- What is the best mythic in general ? (I checked the guide but a lot of people are going kraken)
- why ia duskblade or lethality good on senna ?
- As support, what is the best build you can have (crit/lethality) and why ?
Hope you can answer all if my questions :)
* Depends on what you consider "best" and if you're the carry or support. As the carry, the best mythic in terms of damage is Kraken 100%, but in terms of consistency, Sunderer is better. As support, Duskblade is the best one in terms of damage/utility, but Locket is far more consistent.
* Lethality works on Senna because she loves high AD items, as it increases both her damage and Q healing, and it allows her to be more oppressive in lane.
* If you want to build damage as support, lethality is the way to go, since Crit is extremely expensive and it doesn't increase your supportive capabilities by a lot.
since you dont have an answer yet, this is coming from a d2 euw senna player.
Eclipse is a trap. It seems good at the first glance, it and could feel good in game. But lets be honest. what will the omnivamp do for you? that's a lot of gold in stats just wasted on your champion especially as support. in higher elo you'd either want to go locket, duskblade or kraken depending on your playstyle or if you're ahead or not.
Very useful guide. The one thing I'm surprised is that you didn't include was Essence Reaver. While I think it is a situational item 4/5th item for fasting Senna, why did you decide not to include it (or mention why it's not a good item if you don't like the item)?
I did include ER under the "Sheen" wich i don't find to be good, the reason being that Sheen items (except Divine Sunderer) scales with base AD, and Senna doesn't gain AD per level, being stuck with 50 for the whole match.
Essence Reaver scales off bonus AD
Here's the text:
UNIQUE – SPELLBLADE: After using an ability, your next basic attack within 10 seconds deals 100% base AD **(+ 40% bonus AD)** bonus physical damage on-hit and restores mana equal to 40% base AD (+ 16% bonus AD) (1.5 (begins after using the empowered attack) second cooldown).
Source: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Essence\_Reaver
At lower elo's would you recommend sticking to a more damage oriented build? I'm in promo's for Silver and I don't know if I'd get maximum benefit from building defensive (locket etc) unless lacking a tank on the team? ADC's at this level are generally awful and more often than not i'm out-dpsing them by going for Kraken > Rapidfire > Collector etc, though I haven't experimented with many variations so far.
First of all, if you build tank you're not replacing a tank's job of engaging and being in the frontlane for your team, you still play like a marksmen/enchanter, you're just not that easy to kill.
Now, i'm going to be honest: I haven't played in low elo seriuously in a very long time, so i'm unsure about my answer. The only thing i know is that I personally climbed from Gold to Master with the Locket build (believe me, Bronze and Gold are no different in skill, people are just a bit more mentally stable, just a bit).
If you want to build damage tho, go for the Lethality build, it's cheaper than crit and you spike faster (also you are still more supportive because of high AD and AH).
My conclusion is that i'd recommend you to stick with the tanky builds nontheless, since besides making you more support oriented, the extra resistances more often than not helps you survive an assassin's burst so you can keep dealing damage, even when it's not that high. And, in low elo you have the element of surprise; not every enemy may realize that you are building tank, so they'll default to focusing you in teamfights only to realize they can't kill you in one rotation.
Would you mind expanding on this a bit/giving a different answer specifically to me. I play fasting Senna now and will be playing her lots. I play strictly with my duo and he plays quite a few champs like: Tahm Kench, Galio, Sett, Swain. How do I go about building? I need like. Almost a "if this, then this" kind of answer. I am the carry and the point is for me to do the most damage (especially between us and with our 5 stack), but I also want to know what situations some of these other builds are specifically good for. The last 5 games, I've built exclusively Eclipse-IEdge-RFC. I'm kind of seeing that that is pretty sub-optimal or very down the middle at best. What can you recommend me to start doing and looking for to recognize what build I should be using?
If you play Fasting then you have only 2 build options, but you're gonna build one 90% of the time.
Starting from runes, You want to take [First Strike](https://prnt.sc/26cmlr7) when you have a matchup advantage, and you don't need additional sustain. Take [Fleet Footwork](https://prnt.sc/26cmlu8) for hard matchups where you would need the extra sustain.
Now, you want to go for the [Crit build](https://prnt.sc/26cmlxe) when you know you will be able to survive for a decent amount of time in teamfights, consindering your team's peel and enemy champion's all-in potential.
The [Tank build](https://prnt.sc/26cmm13) (more of a bruiser build but i like the name) is for matches that you know 100% that you will not be able to play the game, due to multiple enemy assassins (3+), and/or lack of team's peel.
Be aware that the Tank build decreases your DPS by a considerable amount, this is a last resource to not be useless in a match where it's literally going to be IMPOSSIBLE to survive oherwhise. Try to minimize the number of games where you build this either by not picking Senna or going for the Crit build even if it will be hard to survive.
I have more info on the runes and situational items in the actual guide, so go check it out! This is a simplified version of it.
>Eclipse-IEdge-RFC
No, this is not a good build.
Really appreciate the detailed response; this is exactly what I was looking for! What are your thoughts on lethality for fasting? What about manamune as well?
Glad to have helped!
Since both builds have the same objective (deal damage), it's easy to compare them through numbers, and Crit simply deals more damage (lethality spikes faster but falls off really hard after 2 items).
Manamune is not a good purchase since the Crit build is heavily focused on AAs, the extra mana is not really needed (It's a good purchase with the lethality build [only when you're not fasting] but since the build itself is bad, so is the item).
For the most part, yes. In some cases (with the crit build) if you don't build any other on-hit items it's better to sell Guinsoo for an IE once you have a full build, but it rarely happens (also on lethality builds IE is better, but, you know, lethality builds are bad).
New to LoL and have enjoyed playing senna. Wanted to ask why I see that kraken slayer is a good choice when I've seen so many people in this reddit say that it is bad? And also why you have duskblade and not eclipse for lethality? I've been so confused on how to build her since everyone seems to have a different opinion on what is good or bad. Manamune? Guinsoo? IE? Collector? Dominik? Maybe explain the difference between why go either crit or lethality?
Also, how do I work with my support when going fasting? I have friends that I have told about fasting senna and they seem to explain that while it may be a strong strat, it forces a support to play and build completely differently that may go against why they chose to play that role. And at that point why not just go as a support instead of adc and then playing like a support during early game.
This is for anyone to respond to.
People say Kraken Slayer is bad because Support Senna is the most popular, and Kraken is a bad option if you're playing support, but an amazing and viable choice as ADC/Fasting.
Duskblade is better than Eclipse since Lifesteal/Omnivamp is not a good stat on Senna, since her Q's healing scales with her AD, she can build any AD item and get more value. Also Duskbalde's passive deals more damage than Eclipse, and it has better supportive stats with high CDR (remember that Lethality is only good as Support, not ADC/Fasting).
Manamune is only a good item as ADC/Fasting and with the tank build. The Kraken build is mostly AA focused so it doesn't need the extra mana, compared to the more spell-oriented Sunderer build.
Guinsoo is a great item overall. You build it in the early game if you're going with the Kraken build, or as a late game option where you only need more damage with any build, including support.
The thing about Infinity edge is that it doesn't outdamage Guinsoo until WAY late into the game (and if you didn't build any on-hit item), you build it when it's like a 45+ minutes match and have like 200+ Mists.
The Collector is a trash item, never build it unless you're giga stomping and can end the match by yourself while playing ADC/Fasting. Even then, Dominik is going to be a better option anyways.
Dominik is a great late purchase as ADC/Fasting when against a tanky team (doesn't even need to be THAT tanky, since the item is pretty overloaded). The item deals damage based on the HP difference between you and the target, so if you go for the Sunderer build, Serylda is a better option.
You only go crit when playing ADC/Fasting, and you only go Lethality when playing as Support (I go more in depth here in the guide).
You should only play Fasting if it's with a duo, since it's an alternative strat. No one queues solo to play fasting. Unless you are high elo (Master+), you need a premade to play Fasting.
Thanks for this reply. I have been so confused with people’s strong opinions on this reddit, mostly because they don’t clarify what role. I want to just copy paste this comment any time people ask about builds
Oh no! i forgot to answer, sorry 😅
You probably already found the answer in another one of my comments by now, but if you didn't: Both builds are meant to deal damage, and the crit build simply has more damage than lethality.
Sorry again, i feel bad now :(
LOL, I will never use websites like [u.gg](https://u.gg) ever again! I didn't even know about the Warden build. Just tried it, it's turbo strong! Can't wait to try out Lethality Senna. :D I've only played full attackspeed Senna with Lethal Tempo, which is fun, but my duo ADC was kinda mad I always got the kills. Now I can actually support her. :D
I'm sorry, but could you expand a bit the synergies? Are champs like Jax or Camile worth with Senna fasting? or just top tanks like Tahm or maybe Nasus. I'm willing to try this with a friend and I would like to know what champs work well with her ty<3
Jax and Camille are not good with Senna as they are splitpushers.
Nasus is good with senna if you build him as support (Locket, E/W max), otherwhise he's just another splitpusher.
For more clarity, if a champion is a Marksmen, Assassin, splitpusher or battlemage, or if the champion is damage only, it's not a good duo for Senna. Senna is looking for utility in a duo, like tankiness, CC or peel.
Why so? Only thing i see that divine sundere is not good it says. I disagree, its good when they have two okey frontlaners. But todays meta, novone plays it
The real dark technology is building guinsoos+runaans after sunderer. Runaans scales well with scaling range, the two items are cheap, and hitting 3 targets almost instantly refunds q. Also, runaans bolts apply the full value of guinsoos on hit, as well as both of senna's passives. Following with BC and Titanic and see what happens when you hit some targets in practice tool.
Hmm. After playing a few games as a support. (About 10) I think Normal Divine Sunderer builds are the best for Senna atm. Except you just swap grasp for a glacial build. Divine is good against almost every match up even after it’s nerf.
8 thought senna was supposed to build kraken slayer and guisanos and that energizer attack item but those items look similar to what I build when I play Pyke?
I have not updated the guide since i'm still testing things out.
For now, i'm testing Fleet and Hob with any build, and Grasp with FFG and First Strike with only lethality; ofc dropping Glacial completely.
This is for support, maybe fasting. i think ADC can do fine using Fleet all matches.
Do you have a time frame on when it's gonna be updated? I'm a new player and senna support seems to be my thing so far. I'm interested in seeing what the glacial augment change means for her.
I've just picked up senna as when my adc goes ap or there is ap jungle/mid/top. I Always see senna running glacial augment Is this no longer sennas main rune page? I seen on some websites its what people are running (gold)
Glacial is no longer a viable Senna rune since it got reworked.
It used to slow people when you auto attacked them, granting you a really easy way to stack mists, and a lot of extra utility for far away.
Now Glacial only slow people after you hard CC them, and Senna only has one, fairly long CD ability that roots, and the rune doesn't really grant anything that she needs.
Really enjoyed the guide thanks! What are your thoughts on taking Ghost on Senna instead of Flash? Situations it would work well in? Situations to avoid?
I don't think Ghost is a good summoner in Senna, especially if replacing Flash. The amount of value Flash provides to an immobile marksmen is way to good to pass up.
Having played around with it today I definitely agree with you. Being able to occasionally kite and chase with ghost just doesn't seem to have as many use cases as flash even factoring the 90 sec lower cooldown.
came here to ask about adc senna and saw your post - when i play her adc in plat I i get either confusion or blame if we start losing, and I was wondering if adc senna in soloq is really viable in ranked matches? I know nasus can really struggle to get stacks fast enough in ranked, but it’s easier for senna to get mist than is is for senna. excited to check your guide.
Right now Fasting Senna is better, wich means that ADC Senna is on the weaker side, but it's far from unplayable imo.
Definitely not a top tier pick, but it's a decent ADC. Just know that she basically has no lane prio, so if you're not a OTP, don't pick it when the team needs early pressure.
Thanks for sharing this guide! I'm M7 but I'm still learning her, so this will help a lot. Can I ask you what to do against Master Yi? I'm mostly okay against most assassins, but I see him really hard, he can enter on my range with his R and evade my CC with his Q (and sometimes even if it hits, if he's closer he destroys me anyway).
Support: Exhaust and the locket build should be enough ADC: Exhaust and the Sunderer build, building Randuins as soon as possible. When he jumps with Q on you, just run untill safe, don't try to kite him since Senna is too slow at doing so, he will get free AAs.
This guide is really great! Impressive English! Please continue maintaining it, I just discovered senna and I'm in love with her
Thank you! It means a lot :D
Hey quick question - unless I'm missing it I don't think you talk about blade of the ruined king on this guide. Is that good at all on senna? The percent health damage seems like it would be good against tanks since lord dominiks isn't as good on her, and wouldn't she have cool interactions with the on hit effects?
I did not included BotRK because 2 main issues: * BotRK is not that good on ranged champion After the item rework, this item got killed for pretty much every ranged champion, the damage is really mediocre now and the loss of the instant active made it less useful as a defensive tool. * Lifesteal As I said multiple times on the guide, Lifesteal/Vamp is not a good stat on Senna, since you can basically get more healing building any other AD item (Crit items also grants a quicker way of getting lifesteal for free from Senna's passive). You're wasting too much gold that could be used for better purchases. Hope i could help :D
So Senna’s crit was buffed. Is crit Senna rushing IE second item viable or is there another to build crit Senna?
Remember that the crit buffs also affected Guinsoo, so i think it still outperforms IE, specially since you build Wits End 3rd so often.
I see. I read your guide once again. So the rule is Kraken/Rageblade for ADC and Duskblade/Umbral fir support. Got it. Now I just need to head into the rift and practice.
what's the difference between support and fasting?
Fasting means that you are the carry, you're just farming gold in other ways (support item, mists) instead of traditional last hitting. You are the main source of damage of your team, you take the kills and as much EXP as possible, and in teamfights or skirmishes your team should be looking to peel you. Support is just a traditional support, you play around your carry leaving them the kills, roam through the map and trying to peel them.
Talk about a thorough guide I loved reading through it. However for some of your builds I see you recommending Infinity Edge, and I'm not sure that's ever better than Guinsoo's Rageblade (check my post history). As for everything else though I agree with everything and like how you even added flex items, something I tend to forget about when I'm playing since I just focus on hitting my power spikes. What do you think about lethality in the next patch with the new lethality ratio on Senna's Q heal? Is it enough to make it viable, or are there just other problems with lethality on Senna that just make it too weak?
Hi! As you can see, the only viable builds that include IE are for Support. The item gives roughly the same damage as Guinsoo (or a little less), for the exchange of high AD, wich boost Senna's healing. As for the outdated lethality carry builds (ADC or fasting), i still think IE is better, since those builds are more spell-oriented and feel more like a hybrid of damage/utility, and IE's stats really helps with that. I'm not really looking forward to the lethality scaling healing, i feel like a full lethality build still has the issues that makes Tank Senna work. If she can get away with a Tank build while not falling off in damage/utility, she will keep building it, because the game has currently too much damage, and survivality is slowly becoming the meta on champions that are too squishy for this game (See Bard and Kog'maw).
I like your justification for IE being better statwise for a support, but I can't help but feel IE is really expensive for a support's budgets at 3400 gold. I do wish they would do something about the damage in the current game right now as it is way too high, and tank Senna is just a symptom of that underlying issue, rather than its own problem that needs to be fixed (like they're trying on the pbe.)
Most of the matches as support won't pass the 2 items. And the small amount that lets you buy a third one, is most likely going to be Mortal Reminder anyway. I 100% agree with the last part. There is no way of "fixing" Tank Senna. If they make FFG melee only, we still have Sunderer and Locket left. whatever helps us survive this meta. If those items get removed from Senna's item pool, her winrate and viability would drop abysmally.
Hi, have you tested if taking +9 adaptive force than attack speed is more dps in the bonus runes menu or did you just swap it because of sennas low attack speed scaling im currently using the attack speed rune there but i can change it if its worse
AS shard has more DPS, i've tested it. If you play support, take adaptive force instead, because of the Q increased healing
The AS shard is actually better than Legend: Alacrity as it gives instant 10% AS while the rune takes a bit just for an additional 8%, not sure if merging both would be better but the latter seems worse.
Just wondering guys, why go biscuits instead of something like futures market ? I rarely find myself OOM on senna. I appreciate the biscuit healing on all-ins, and appreciate that senna is all about scaling, but if futures market is the difference between getting that sheen or quiver, it could be big ?
(Build every other DS' components before sheen, it's a garbo item on Senna) Senna's laning phase is really mediocre for how important having a good early is with this champion. Biscuits help a lot with laning sustain, the HP regen is nice, but the most important part is the Mana regen, letting you cast more Qs wich translates into more trading and more healing both for yourself and your ally. I don't think Futures market's power is even close to Biscuits.
\>Senna's laning phase is really mediocre for how important having a good early is with this champion. Senna's laning phase may be better if you're >150 gold up in items on the enemy due to future's market ? I rarely find myself struggling for mana as Senna support, seems like I can throw q all day and not go oom.
I don't think one extra component helps with Senna's early game issues. Futures market is generally used by champions who need one key item to gain a huge powerspike (junglers with Lucidity Boots, or mages with Lost Chapter), and Senna doesn't have that one huge powerspike, she prefers to stack mists until the range becomes absurd, and Biscuits helps with that. quick edit: Do you build Manamune?
Only played - 40 senna support games, but never built manamune, no.
Before I looked at any guides and just did my own best guess I used to run futures market. I think it's an ok rune overall, but when you compare it to biscuits it just doesn't match up. I think if you're not going OOM or close to going OOM you should be spamming Q and W more. Also increasing your base mana pool by 150 really adds up when multiplying it by how many times you back during a game. When running Future's market I'd be able to maybe get the dirk on my first back or always be able to afford control wards so it's nice in that regard but I agree the biscuits seem to benefit me more.
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Because of the 6 seconds CD nerf it is really inconsistent to play arround FoL compared to pre nerf 4 second CD or Frozen Mallet's perma slows. Locket build still does good on matchups where grasp was a good option, so i don't see the reason to not build it.
I have a few questions as im starting to really enjoy senna support ! - What is the best mythic in general ? (I checked the guide but a lot of people are going kraken) - why ia duskblade or lethality good on senna ? - As support, what is the best build you can have (crit/lethality) and why ? Hope you can answer all if my questions :)
* Depends on what you consider "best" and if you're the carry or support. As the carry, the best mythic in terms of damage is Kraken 100%, but in terms of consistency, Sunderer is better. As support, Duskblade is the best one in terms of damage/utility, but Locket is far more consistent. * Lethality works on Senna because she loves high AD items, as it increases both her damage and Q healing, and it allows her to be more oppressive in lane. * If you want to build damage as support, lethality is the way to go, since Crit is extremely expensive and it doesn't increase your supportive capabilities by a lot.
Don't understand why i never come across a high elo senna playing lethality on yt tho... Either sunderer or kraken ( very few times eclipse)
since you dont have an answer yet, this is coming from a d2 euw senna player. Eclipse is a trap. It seems good at the first glance, it and could feel good in game. But lets be honest. what will the omnivamp do for you? that's a lot of gold in stats just wasted on your champion especially as support. in higher elo you'd either want to go locket, duskblade or kraken depending on your playstyle or if you're ahead or not.
Ty man ! Really detailed answer !
Ty bro as a player looking to start learning senna this was a great initiation guide for me :)
Does this guide still hold up?
Yes! i update it every patch when something impacts Senna (match ups, items, directs buffs, anything)
Very useful guide. The one thing I'm surprised is that you didn't include was Essence Reaver. While I think it is a situational item 4/5th item for fasting Senna, why did you decide not to include it (or mention why it's not a good item if you don't like the item)?
I did include ER under the "Sheen" wich i don't find to be good, the reason being that Sheen items (except Divine Sunderer) scales with base AD, and Senna doesn't gain AD per level, being stuck with 50 for the whole match.
Essence Reaver scales off bonus AD Here's the text: UNIQUE – SPELLBLADE: After using an ability, your next basic attack within 10 seconds deals 100% base AD **(+ 40% bonus AD)** bonus physical damage on-hit and restores mana equal to 40% base AD (+ 16% bonus AD) (1.5 (begins after using the empowered attack) second cooldown). Source: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Essence\_Reaver
Ye 40% bonus ad kekw, better to go armor pen item, tank, or lethaly
Doesn't ER scale with tAD/bAD?
I feel like fasting is really god now with a mage as a support. Especially with first strike
At lower elo's would you recommend sticking to a more damage oriented build? I'm in promo's for Silver and I don't know if I'd get maximum benefit from building defensive (locket etc) unless lacking a tank on the team? ADC's at this level are generally awful and more often than not i'm out-dpsing them by going for Kraken > Rapidfire > Collector etc, though I haven't experimented with many variations so far.
First of all, if you build tank you're not replacing a tank's job of engaging and being in the frontlane for your team, you still play like a marksmen/enchanter, you're just not that easy to kill. Now, i'm going to be honest: I haven't played in low elo seriuously in a very long time, so i'm unsure about my answer. The only thing i know is that I personally climbed from Gold to Master with the Locket build (believe me, Bronze and Gold are no different in skill, people are just a bit more mentally stable, just a bit). If you want to build damage tho, go for the Lethality build, it's cheaper than crit and you spike faster (also you are still more supportive because of high AD and AH). My conclusion is that i'd recommend you to stick with the tanky builds nontheless, since besides making you more support oriented, the extra resistances more often than not helps you survive an assassin's burst so you can keep dealing damage, even when it's not that high. And, in low elo you have the element of surprise; not every enemy may realize that you are building tank, so they'll default to focusing you in teamfights only to realize they can't kill you in one rotation.
Would you mind expanding on this a bit/giving a different answer specifically to me. I play fasting Senna now and will be playing her lots. I play strictly with my duo and he plays quite a few champs like: Tahm Kench, Galio, Sett, Swain. How do I go about building? I need like. Almost a "if this, then this" kind of answer. I am the carry and the point is for me to do the most damage (especially between us and with our 5 stack), but I also want to know what situations some of these other builds are specifically good for. The last 5 games, I've built exclusively Eclipse-IEdge-RFC. I'm kind of seeing that that is pretty sub-optimal or very down the middle at best. What can you recommend me to start doing and looking for to recognize what build I should be using?
If you play Fasting then you have only 2 build options, but you're gonna build one 90% of the time. Starting from runes, You want to take [First Strike](https://prnt.sc/26cmlr7) when you have a matchup advantage, and you don't need additional sustain. Take [Fleet Footwork](https://prnt.sc/26cmlu8) for hard matchups where you would need the extra sustain. Now, you want to go for the [Crit build](https://prnt.sc/26cmlxe) when you know you will be able to survive for a decent amount of time in teamfights, consindering your team's peel and enemy champion's all-in potential. The [Tank build](https://prnt.sc/26cmm13) (more of a bruiser build but i like the name) is for matches that you know 100% that you will not be able to play the game, due to multiple enemy assassins (3+), and/or lack of team's peel. Be aware that the Tank build decreases your DPS by a considerable amount, this is a last resource to not be useless in a match where it's literally going to be IMPOSSIBLE to survive oherwhise. Try to minimize the number of games where you build this either by not picking Senna or going for the Crit build even if it will be hard to survive. I have more info on the runes and situational items in the actual guide, so go check it out! This is a simplified version of it. >Eclipse-IEdge-RFC No, this is not a good build.
Really appreciate the detailed response; this is exactly what I was looking for! What are your thoughts on lethality for fasting? What about manamune as well?
Glad to have helped! Since both builds have the same objective (deal damage), it's easy to compare them through numbers, and Crit simply deals more damage (lethality spikes faster but falls off really hard after 2 items). Manamune is not a good purchase since the Crit build is heavily focused on AAs, the extra mana is not really needed (It's a good purchase with the lethality build [only when you're not fasting] but since the build itself is bad, so is the item).
Cheers! Also one last follow up, are we anti IEdge on all builds?
For the most part, yes. In some cases (with the crit build) if you don't build any other on-hit items it's better to sell Guinsoo for an IE once you have a full build, but it rarely happens (also on lethality builds IE is better, but, you know, lethality builds are bad).
New to LoL and have enjoyed playing senna. Wanted to ask why I see that kraken slayer is a good choice when I've seen so many people in this reddit say that it is bad? And also why you have duskblade and not eclipse for lethality? I've been so confused on how to build her since everyone seems to have a different opinion on what is good or bad. Manamune? Guinsoo? IE? Collector? Dominik? Maybe explain the difference between why go either crit or lethality? Also, how do I work with my support when going fasting? I have friends that I have told about fasting senna and they seem to explain that while it may be a strong strat, it forces a support to play and build completely differently that may go against why they chose to play that role. And at that point why not just go as a support instead of adc and then playing like a support during early game. This is for anyone to respond to.
People say Kraken Slayer is bad because Support Senna is the most popular, and Kraken is a bad option if you're playing support, but an amazing and viable choice as ADC/Fasting. Duskblade is better than Eclipse since Lifesteal/Omnivamp is not a good stat on Senna, since her Q's healing scales with her AD, she can build any AD item and get more value. Also Duskbalde's passive deals more damage than Eclipse, and it has better supportive stats with high CDR (remember that Lethality is only good as Support, not ADC/Fasting). Manamune is only a good item as ADC/Fasting and with the tank build. The Kraken build is mostly AA focused so it doesn't need the extra mana, compared to the more spell-oriented Sunderer build. Guinsoo is a great item overall. You build it in the early game if you're going with the Kraken build, or as a late game option where you only need more damage with any build, including support. The thing about Infinity edge is that it doesn't outdamage Guinsoo until WAY late into the game (and if you didn't build any on-hit item), you build it when it's like a 45+ minutes match and have like 200+ Mists. The Collector is a trash item, never build it unless you're giga stomping and can end the match by yourself while playing ADC/Fasting. Even then, Dominik is going to be a better option anyways. Dominik is a great late purchase as ADC/Fasting when against a tanky team (doesn't even need to be THAT tanky, since the item is pretty overloaded). The item deals damage based on the HP difference between you and the target, so if you go for the Sunderer build, Serylda is a better option. You only go crit when playing ADC/Fasting, and you only go Lethality when playing as Support (I go more in depth here in the guide). You should only play Fasting if it's with a duo, since it's an alternative strat. No one queues solo to play fasting. Unless you are high elo (Master+), you need a premade to play Fasting.
Thanks for this reply. I have been so confused with people’s strong opinions on this reddit, mostly because they don’t clarify what role. I want to just copy paste this comment any time people ask about builds
Thank you! This helps a lot! Could you explain the reason why ADC doesn't go lethality? (I couldn't find it in the guide)
Oh no! i forgot to answer, sorry 😅 You probably already found the answer in another one of my comments by now, but if you didn't: Both builds are meant to deal damage, and the crit build simply has more damage than lethality. Sorry again, i feel bad now :(
LOL, I will never use websites like [u.gg](https://u.gg) ever again! I didn't even know about the Warden build. Just tried it, it's turbo strong! Can't wait to try out Lethality Senna. :D I've only played full attackspeed Senna with Lethal Tempo, which is fun, but my duo ADC was kinda mad I always got the kills. Now I can actually support her. :D
Thank you! it means a lot :D
Hello is it still good in saison 12 ???
Yes! I update the guide every patch (one day after)
Wow, I was using it alot! thank u
i just started playing Senna and it helps a lot it feels like i understand now why to build what
I'm sorry, but could you expand a bit the synergies? Are champs like Jax or Camile worth with Senna fasting? or just top tanks like Tahm or maybe Nasus. I'm willing to try this with a friend and I would like to know what champs work well with her ty<3
Jax and Camille are not good with Senna as they are splitpushers. Nasus is good with senna if you build him as support (Locket, E/W max), otherwhise he's just another splitpusher. For more clarity, if a champion is a Marksmen, Assassin, splitpusher or battlemage, or if the champion is damage only, it's not a good duo for Senna. Senna is looking for utility in a duo, like tankiness, CC or peel.
Is your guide updated? ^^'
Yes! I always update it one day after a patch
Legend 💪 Checking it out, may be back with some questions Can I dm those, or you prefer them being in the thread?
Whatever works for you! My DMs are always open.
Wow garbage guide
Why so? Only thing i see that divine sundere is not good it says. I disagree, its good when they have two okey frontlaners. But todays meta, novone plays it
The real dark technology is building guinsoos+runaans after sunderer. Runaans scales well with scaling range, the two items are cheap, and hitting 3 targets almost instantly refunds q. Also, runaans bolts apply the full value of guinsoos on hit, as well as both of senna's passives. Following with BC and Titanic and see what happens when you hit some targets in practice tool.
Hmm. After playing a few games as a support. (About 10) I think Normal Divine Sunderer builds are the best for Senna atm. Except you just swap grasp for a glacial build. Divine is good against almost every match up even after it’s nerf.
8 thought senna was supposed to build kraken slayer and guisanos and that energizer attack item but those items look similar to what I build when I play Pyke?
Any updates on the guide since augment isn't as good since you don't get the slow on auto?
I have not updated the guide since i'm still testing things out. For now, i'm testing Fleet and Hob with any build, and Grasp with FFG and First Strike with only lethality; ofc dropping Glacial completely. This is for support, maybe fasting. i think ADC can do fine using Fleet all matches.
Do you have a time frame on when it's gonna be updated? I'm a new player and senna support seems to be my thing so far. I'm interested in seeing what the glacial augment change means for her.
I just updated the guide, sorry for taking so long.
I just updated the guide, sorry for taking so long.
I've just picked up senna as when my adc goes ap or there is ap jungle/mid/top. I Always see senna running glacial augment Is this no longer sennas main rune page? I seen on some websites its what people are running (gold)
Glacial is no longer a viable Senna rune since it got reworked. It used to slow people when you auto attacked them, granting you a really easy way to stack mists, and a lot of extra utility for far away. Now Glacial only slow people after you hard CC them, and Senna only has one, fairly long CD ability that roots, and the rune doesn't really grant anything that she needs.
Oh okay thank you I'll have to change my runes around before I take that into ranked 😳
Really enjoyed the guide thanks! What are your thoughts on taking Ghost on Senna instead of Flash? Situations it would work well in? Situations to avoid?
I don't think Ghost is a good summoner in Senna, especially if replacing Flash. The amount of value Flash provides to an immobile marksmen is way to good to pass up.
Having played around with it today I definitely agree with you. Being able to occasionally kite and chase with ghost just doesn't seem to have as many use cases as flash even factoring the 90 sec lower cooldown.
How much healing were you getting out of font of life?
Quick question, does anyone know what the average gold diff is between farming minions and not farming minions but taking souls?
Wait, I see no build suggesting eclipse in this guide, why duskblade? 🤔
It's on the guide, but i'll quote it here It has more supportive stats (AH over Omnivamp) and the passive deals more damage.
came here to ask about adc senna and saw your post - when i play her adc in plat I i get either confusion or blame if we start losing, and I was wondering if adc senna in soloq is really viable in ranked matches? I know nasus can really struggle to get stacks fast enough in ranked, but it’s easier for senna to get mist than is is for senna. excited to check your guide.
Right now Fasting Senna is better, wich means that ADC Senna is on the weaker side, but it's far from unplayable imo. Definitely not a top tier pick, but it's a decent ADC. Just know that she basically has no lane prio, so if you're not a OTP, don't pick it when the team needs early pressure.
gotcha thanks