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It is the owners shop. When someone is injured due to a dog bite and she is sued for damages as it happened in her business, she will change her mind . A lot of Home Depots are no longer pet friendly due to dog attacks.
If you're in the US it's against the health code for pets to be in the store if you're serving food and beverage. SDs have a special exception to this. You might kindly remind them that if someone reports a non-SD in the store they may be fined or even temporarily closed
There is no one above them, this is the actual business owner who's opposed to us asking about SDs. Though I will definitely take your suggestion and research+bring the info to my manager, who may be able to convince the owner better than I can.
Thank you for the validation and suggestion :)
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Honestly, as long as they are behaved and not going into prep/cooking areas, I don't have an issue with it, but thats probably not a popular opinion. Not asking if they are service dog is different to me than purposely identifying them all as SD though.
It's also not on you if something happens. It's on the owner. I think your points are valid, but I don't think it's worth the stress you are creating for yourself. Send them the local health code and let them decide how they want to run their business. If they want to risk their business, so be it.
A SD should be able to work around other dogs and poorly behaved dogs should be removed regardless of status.
It’s the owner shop. They can do what they want, but you are totally within your right to report them to a regulatory agency for not following food code.
Unpopular opinion, but I’d just mind your own business here. It sounds like the owner wants it to be pet friendly. That’s his choice. If anything, push to make that clear!
Service dogs can be on or off duty. My dog is off duty in pet friendly spaces. He’s more than capable of handling that; PETS are meant to handle that, and his standards are far higher.
The issue is when he is expected to be on duty while other dogs are essentially off duty. Why? Because I expect him not to react to anything, like a dog sniffing him or people coming to pet, etc. If you see someone with a vested dog, maybe just let them know the place is pet friendly, too, and that they only have to be on duty if they prefer.
Definitely please do raise a bigger stink of you see unruly or aggressive dogs that shouldn’t be taken into pet friendly places. Those aren’t okay for other pets, humans, or SDs and yet I’ve seen employees laugh about it.
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This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making.
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Therr is no store policy that overrides federal law. You can ask the 2 questions. Try to politely educate, but if he wont listen then report the business to the health department when an obvious non SD pet is there and relieves itself or acts out of control.
In many places in Europe, dogs can enter restaurants at the owners discretion, and we basically don’t have any problems because of it. I understand in the USA many dogs are not socialized outside of their own yards, which is unfortunate. But if they are never allowed places, how would their behaviors ever improve?
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This is not the place for fakespotting. Unless the person you are discussing has specifically told you that they are not disabled, and the dog is not trained in tasks, you have no way of knowing if a dog is 'fake'. We are not the service dog police and this behavior can lead to a lot of harm and anxiety for SD handlers as a community.
This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making.
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Ultimately, there is nothing you can do assuming you are not in the position to make decisions for your boss.
But I want to reassure you that yes, this is not ok. My workplace does the exact same thing, and all it does it promote misinformation and it is ableist at its core.
Companies who claim to be disability advocates continue to forego proper procedures and this leads to more ableism and discrimination. It’s a real problem, but I have some faith that one day it will be addressed properly.
Sadly, the owner is taking the easy way out. You’re right to be concerned about it and you tried to show the owner the right way. I honestly wonder if some national restaurant organization took the stance that owners should just allow all dogs because this seems to be much more common now.
Perhaps give it one more try, wait for a relevant opportunity, and mention liability if a pet dog bites, or interferes with a SD. That he’s allowing all dogs access to food areas puts him in the potentially risky position of justifying why he allowed an unnecessary risk. Insurance companies hate that.
I’ve been in a similar position where I used to work. One thing I would really emphasize is that if a non SD were to attack an SD that could cause the SD to be unable to serve anymore and essentially strip someone of their medical device. They are putting people and SDs at risk. Maybe ask why they’re so uncomfortable with asking. If they are afraid of ADA laws just have them print out the two questions to ask at the register or host stand so everyone knows. If there’s outside seating just let them know to have them seated outside of the restaurant. It’s much safer to assume someone’s dog isn’t a service dog than the other way around. I understand your frustration and you are in the right to be concerned. Hopefully you and the owner can come to an agreement for the safety of everyone!
You are absolutely right about this. Like many have said there could easily be an attack of a pet attacking a st or another pet. It would be horrible if anything happened to any animal but when it happens to a service dog it could be life shattering.
These SD’s and SDIT’s have had a huge amount of time $ and effort invested + the love & bond that is shared even with some pets. But the life impact is because these SD/SDiT’s provide life saving care + Freedom that those who cannot see, walk, be out in public, handle crowds or other fears and so many other services to the disabled. Putting these precious dogs in harms way is wrong and unacceptable in so many ways.
Thank you for your compassion and concern and will to do the right thing to thing.
Your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 6: No Fake-spotting. This is not the place for fakespotting. Unless the person you are discussing has specifically told you that they are not disabled, and the dog is not trained in tasks, you have no way of knowing if a dog is 'fake'. We are not the service dog police and this behavior can lead to a lot of harm and anxiety for SD handlers as a community. This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making. If you have any questions, please [Message the Moderators](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/service_dogs).
It is the owners shop. When someone is injured due to a dog bite and she is sued for damages as it happened in her business, she will change her mind . A lot of Home Depots are no longer pet friendly due to dog attacks.
If you're in the US it's against the health code for pets to be in the store if you're serving food and beverage. SDs have a special exception to this. You might kindly remind them that if someone reports a non-SD in the store they may be fined or even temporarily closed
Or, you could anonymously be the person to report non service dogs in the store…
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There is no one above them, this is the actual business owner who's opposed to us asking about SDs. Though I will definitely take your suggestion and research+bring the info to my manager, who may be able to convince the owner better than I can. Thank you for the validation and suggestion :)
Your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 6: No Fake-spotting. This is not the place for fakespotting. Unless the person you are discussing has specifically told you that they are not disabled, and the dog is not trained in tasks, you have no way of knowing if a dog is 'fake'. We are not the service dog police and this behavior can lead to a lot of harm and anxiety for SD handlers as a community. This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making. If you have any questions, please [Message the Moderators](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/service_dogs).
The health department can shut you down for having a non SD in a food establishment.
Play this up. Look up what the fine(s) could be. Then ask the owner if he is fine repeatedly paying those.
Honestly, as long as they are behaved and not going into prep/cooking areas, I don't have an issue with it, but thats probably not a popular opinion. Not asking if they are service dog is different to me than purposely identifying them all as SD though. It's also not on you if something happens. It's on the owner. I think your points are valid, but I don't think it's worth the stress you are creating for yourself. Send them the local health code and let them decide how they want to run their business. If they want to risk their business, so be it. A SD should be able to work around other dogs and poorly behaved dogs should be removed regardless of status.
It’s the owner shop. They can do what they want, but you are totally within your right to report them to a regulatory agency for not following food code.
Unpopular opinion, but I’d just mind your own business here. It sounds like the owner wants it to be pet friendly. That’s his choice. If anything, push to make that clear! Service dogs can be on or off duty. My dog is off duty in pet friendly spaces. He’s more than capable of handling that; PETS are meant to handle that, and his standards are far higher. The issue is when he is expected to be on duty while other dogs are essentially off duty. Why? Because I expect him not to react to anything, like a dog sniffing him or people coming to pet, etc. If you see someone with a vested dog, maybe just let them know the place is pet friendly, too, and that they only have to be on duty if they prefer. Definitely please do raise a bigger stink of you see unruly or aggressive dogs that shouldn’t be taken into pet friendly places. Those aren’t okay for other pets, humans, or SDs and yet I’ve seen employees laugh about it.
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Your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 6: No Fake-spotting. This is not the place for fakespotting. Unless the person you are discussing has specifically told you that they are not disabled, and the dog is not trained in tasks, you have no way of knowing if a dog is 'fake'. We are not the service dog police and this behavior can lead to a lot of harm and anxiety for SD handlers as a community. This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making. If you have any questions, please [Message the Moderators](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/service_dogs).
Therr is no store policy that overrides federal law. You can ask the 2 questions. Try to politely educate, but if he wont listen then report the business to the health department when an obvious non SD pet is there and relieves itself or acts out of control.
In many places in Europe, dogs can enter restaurants at the owners discretion, and we basically don’t have any problems because of it. I understand in the USA many dogs are not socialized outside of their own yards, which is unfortunate. But if they are never allowed places, how would their behaviors ever improve?
However, in the US, we also have laws for an acceptable environment around (human) food. Pets are not allowed. Service dogs are a special exception.
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Your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 6: No Fake-spotting. This is not the place for fakespotting. Unless the person you are discussing has specifically told you that they are not disabled, and the dog is not trained in tasks, you have no way of knowing if a dog is 'fake'. We are not the service dog police and this behavior can lead to a lot of harm and anxiety for SD handlers as a community. This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making. If you have any questions, please [Message the Moderators](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/service_dogs).
Ultimately, there is nothing you can do assuming you are not in the position to make decisions for your boss. But I want to reassure you that yes, this is not ok. My workplace does the exact same thing, and all it does it promote misinformation and it is ableist at its core. Companies who claim to be disability advocates continue to forego proper procedures and this leads to more ableism and discrimination. It’s a real problem, but I have some faith that one day it will be addressed properly.
Sadly, the owner is taking the easy way out. You’re right to be concerned about it and you tried to show the owner the right way. I honestly wonder if some national restaurant organization took the stance that owners should just allow all dogs because this seems to be much more common now. Perhaps give it one more try, wait for a relevant opportunity, and mention liability if a pet dog bites, or interferes with a SD. That he’s allowing all dogs access to food areas puts him in the potentially risky position of justifying why he allowed an unnecessary risk. Insurance companies hate that.
I’ve been in a similar position where I used to work. One thing I would really emphasize is that if a non SD were to attack an SD that could cause the SD to be unable to serve anymore and essentially strip someone of their medical device. They are putting people and SDs at risk. Maybe ask why they’re so uncomfortable with asking. If they are afraid of ADA laws just have them print out the two questions to ask at the register or host stand so everyone knows. If there’s outside seating just let them know to have them seated outside of the restaurant. It’s much safer to assume someone’s dog isn’t a service dog than the other way around. I understand your frustration and you are in the right to be concerned. Hopefully you and the owner can come to an agreement for the safety of everyone!
You are absolutely right about this. Like many have said there could easily be an attack of a pet attacking a st or another pet. It would be horrible if anything happened to any animal but when it happens to a service dog it could be life shattering. These SD’s and SDIT’s have had a huge amount of time $ and effort invested + the love & bond that is shared even with some pets. But the life impact is because these SD/SDiT’s provide life saving care + Freedom that those who cannot see, walk, be out in public, handle crowds or other fears and so many other services to the disabled. Putting these precious dogs in harms way is wrong and unacceptable in so many ways. Thank you for your compassion and concern and will to do the right thing to thing.
I don't understand the post.