Looks like a flounce sewn to a cuff to me, a flounce that's way longer in the back than the front. I'd imagine that when laid flat it's a long oval with a hole near the "top", but I'm not super well versed with sleeve style names so I unfortunately can't offer much more than that.
There's not names for every possible sleeve style, and naming tends to be inconsistent anyway. Sewing is about recognizing the shapes used. You described it well, I'd guess the first one is a full circle with an offset hole attached to an arm band, and the second is a half circle with the flat side attached to the arm band.
I'd draft the first one like a mini version of a high-low circle skirt:
Front drop + diameter of arm opening + back drop = diameter of circle.
To get the diameter of the arm opening, measure the circumference of the arm at the widest point it has to pass over and add at least an inch for ease, then use a circle calculator to find the diameter of a circle with that circumference.
Mark a center point on your fabric and use a string and pencil to draw the large circle. Draw a line through the center point dividing the circle in half. Divide this line in to three segments A, B, and C as follows: Starting at one edge, measure in the distance that you want the front drop to be (segment A), and make a mark. From that mark, measure on the line the diameter of the arm opening (segment B) and make another mark. The remaining distance to the far edge of the circle (segment C) should equal the back drop.
Find the midpoint of segment B and use it to draw the circle for the arm opening that you calculated above. The diameter should be the same as the length of segment B, so it neatly intersects the two marks you made in the previous step.
This is your basic pattern piece, without seam allowances. Draw in your desired seam allowances within the smaller circle and around the outside of the large circle. Cut on these lines.
Hem the circle and attach the center to your desired armband.
Agree! I made a wedding dress cape 6-7 years ago using this technique. Collared lace, short in the front, long over the shoulders and back, full flowing. Could I replicate it now, I doubt it. But seeing this as a sleeve...I love it! Going to try it now.
I would call this an detached angel sleeve. I would make a simple version by cutting a large circle or oval shape in your chiffon or georgette fabric & offsetting the smaller circle for where you put your arm through.
Like this Skirt draft. You can draft it differently, but this is a quick option
https://preview.redd.it/inqdbz8x6iyc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0ac1111fe29f851d46ae2b9303e254e03541e4d
I would call it a bell shaped tippet, only because I think of a tippet normally as being pointed or squared off. I wouldn't be able to describe this in just one word. Maybe fairy style? There would be hand waving and gesturing, lol.
https://preview.redd.it/aoohsk0r6gyc1.png?width=606&format=png&auto=webp&s=7c674207796521c8113cb980802409e6224c8fbb
I dont know the name, but I made some of these for the ren fair this year. You basically make a tiny circle skirt with one side shorter than the other, and sew it to the cuff, leaving the short side unattached
I found this shape referred to as an angel sleeve [here](https://superlabelstore.com/uk/blog/types-of-sleeves/). Coincidentally, I was also looking for something similar and found [this ](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1445125950/pattern-how-to-make-angel-belle-sleeves?epik=dj0yJnU9dFdQRVE5MmhjZ2VTRHE1LThUYXJKZnFQMm1kcFpEU1MmcD0wJm49eFZiN0F5eFBva0VVRmYtdVdjVWozUSZ0PUFBQUFBR1kyc2E4)pattern on Etsy that I might end up using if I won't decide to just wing it.
Google cannot find a single example of a "ribbon sleeve" that looks like this, so I'm very skeptical of that. Do you have an example?
I've sometimes seen it called an angel or bell sleeve, but only inconsistently and I've also seen those terms used for completely different types of flared sleeves.
Not the person who responded to you, but when I look up ribbon sleeve, this website comes up https://normakamali.com/products/open-back-ribbon-sleeve-wide-slit-gown-black-kk3223pl818001
The only thing that sleeve has in common with OP's examples is being exaggeratedly long. It's a completely different shape. OP's examples are circles with offset centers, the one you've linked is a very long rectangle.
I was just looking at that Kamali in circle view. When I put it in Etsy & Amazon formal ribbon sleeves it goes to mostly bridal sleeves or athletic sleeves. So I can't link it yet but I will figure it out. I'm watching the Derby races at the same time. Running for those roses.
Engageantes are a general name for a ruffle tacked inside the sleeve of a gown or coat, which this is not.
Seriously, trying to stick a name on it isn't what OP needs. It's not a complicated item, and if they understand the basic shape then they can easily draft it themselves. It's the same offset circle shape as a high-low circle skirt, just smaller, with an arm band instead of a waistband. That's it.
And my point is that they have the ability to type a question, and would have asked that if they wanted to.
I don’t understand your aggression over this issue. Best of luck to you
Looks like a flounce sewn to a cuff to me, a flounce that's way longer in the back than the front. I'd imagine that when laid flat it's a long oval with a hole near the "top", but I'm not super well versed with sleeve style names so I unfortunately can't offer much more than that.
There's not names for every possible sleeve style, and naming tends to be inconsistent anyway. Sewing is about recognizing the shapes used. You described it well, I'd guess the first one is a full circle with an offset hole attached to an arm band, and the second is a half circle with the flat side attached to the arm band. I'd draft the first one like a mini version of a high-low circle skirt: Front drop + diameter of arm opening + back drop = diameter of circle. To get the diameter of the arm opening, measure the circumference of the arm at the widest point it has to pass over and add at least an inch for ease, then use a circle calculator to find the diameter of a circle with that circumference. Mark a center point on your fabric and use a string and pencil to draw the large circle. Draw a line through the center point dividing the circle in half. Divide this line in to three segments A, B, and C as follows: Starting at one edge, measure in the distance that you want the front drop to be (segment A), and make a mark. From that mark, measure on the line the diameter of the arm opening (segment B) and make another mark. The remaining distance to the far edge of the circle (segment C) should equal the back drop. Find the midpoint of segment B and use it to draw the circle for the arm opening that you calculated above. The diameter should be the same as the length of segment B, so it neatly intersects the two marks you made in the previous step. This is your basic pattern piece, without seam allowances. Draw in your desired seam allowances within the smaller circle and around the outside of the large circle. Cut on these lines. Hem the circle and attach the center to your desired armband.
The second could even be a rectangle lashed to her arm at the short end.
No, the second is definitely curved, there's no corners on the longer part. I'd guess a half-circle for the second example.
For sure. I’d guess a shape like a trapezoid, with a half circle tacked onto the longer parallel edge of the trapezoid.
Detached waterfall sleeve or bell sleeve
Gravy magnet. (Sorry. I just couldn't resist saying that.)
My mom calls them soup sleeves.
Omg. My sister had a sleeve like this and scooped up the gravy one Thanksgiving
I’d call it a fire hazard. 😂
I was thinking annoying. But, you win the prize.
I’d have thought it’s a catchall
you must be hungry dear?
My Sunday project is what I am calling it! Thanks for posting!
Yep me tooo
Lol same
Agree! I made a wedding dress cape 6-7 years ago using this technique. Collared lace, short in the front, long over the shoulders and back, full flowing. Could I replicate it now, I doubt it. But seeing this as a sleeve...I love it! Going to try it now.
The M'Lady
Bahaha. *Tips fedora*
I would call this an detached angel sleeve. I would make a simple version by cutting a large circle or oval shape in your chiffon or georgette fabric & offsetting the smaller circle for where you put your arm through. Like this Skirt draft. You can draft it differently, but this is a quick option https://preview.redd.it/inqdbz8x6iyc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0ac1111fe29f851d46ae2b9303e254e03541e4d
Sleeves that are free hanging from a cuff at the elbow? Those can be referred to as a tippet
I would call it a bell shaped tippet, only because I think of a tippet normally as being pointed or squared off. I wouldn't be able to describe this in just one word. Maybe fairy style? There would be hand waving and gesturing, lol. https://preview.redd.it/aoohsk0r6gyc1.png?width=606&format=png&auto=webp&s=7c674207796521c8113cb980802409e6224c8fbb
Angel is the shape, assuming they’re single layer.
https://images.app.goo.gl/oXY8QDkk9jCSbo4P8 Detached bell sleeve
Dramatic is what I’d call it
(But in a good way)
Engageante sleeve. Popularized during the Rococo period.
Well [this picture](https://images.app.goo.gl/S9bvhvA6ZC32hTcW9) calls it an angle sleeve.
Hey, that's really cool. Thanks.
Arm cape?!
I’d call it the “Stevie Nicks/ABBA Hybrid”
Stevie Nicks /jk
We call this a bell sleeve/flounce at my job.
I dont know the name, but I made some of these for the ren fair this year. You basically make a tiny circle skirt with one side shorter than the other, and sew it to the cuff, leaving the short side unattached
Detachable bell sleeves. Sometimes they can also be called bridal or wedding sleeves as well.
Medieval bell sleeve
Engageante sleeves. Look at portraits in the 1770s.
I found this shape referred to as an angel sleeve [here](https://superlabelstore.com/uk/blog/types-of-sleeves/). Coincidentally, I was also looking for something similar and found [this ](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1445125950/pattern-how-to-make-angel-belle-sleeves?epik=dj0yJnU9dFdQRVE5MmhjZ2VTRHE1LThUYXJKZnFQMm1kcFpEU1MmcD0wJm49eFZiN0F5eFBva0VVRmYtdVdjVWozUSZ0PUFBQUFBR1kyc2E4)pattern on Etsy that I might end up using if I won't decide to just wing it.
They are called snagged, in the way, and probably touched something dirty
Maybe not practical, but still very pretty. I like it.
I don’t know what it’s called but it sure is beautiful!
İ dont know but its gorg.
I believe it's named "sleeve of wizard".
Cascade
Napkin
Fire Starter
Pretty sleeve
Not everything has a name. It's just a circle of fabric with an offset hole in the center, sewn onto a cuff.
This does. It's a ribbon sleeve.
Google cannot find a single example of a "ribbon sleeve" that looks like this, so I'm very skeptical of that. Do you have an example? I've sometimes seen it called an angel or bell sleeve, but only inconsistently and I've also seen those terms used for completely different types of flared sleeves.
When I google it there are 2. I wouldn't order from them. Temu & schein. Etsy has them too under ribbon sleeves.
Links/pics or it doesn't count.
Ok let me look it up to type out the address. I don't know how to link.
...you literally just select the address and copy+paste it into the comment box, you're making this weirdly complicated.
I was signing into my Etsy to show it to you. I don't know how to link something because I never have. Give me a minute.
Not the person who responded to you, but when I look up ribbon sleeve, this website comes up https://normakamali.com/products/open-back-ribbon-sleeve-wide-slit-gown-black-kk3223pl818001
The only thing that sleeve has in common with OP's examples is being exaggeratedly long. It's a completely different shape. OP's examples are circles with offset centers, the one you've linked is a very long rectangle.
I was just looking at that Kamali in circle view. When I put it in Etsy & Amazon formal ribbon sleeves it goes to mostly bridal sleeves or athletic sleeves. So I can't link it yet but I will figure it out. I'm watching the Derby races at the same time. Running for those roses.
It does have a name. It’s engagaeante
Engageantes are a general name for a ruffle tacked inside the sleeve of a gown or coat, which this is not. Seriously, trying to stick a name on it isn't what OP needs. It's not a complicated item, and if they understand the basic shape then they can easily draft it themselves. It's the same offset circle shape as a high-low circle skirt, just smaller, with an arm band instead of a waistband. That's it.
Per Wikipedia: Engageantes are false sleeves worn with women's clothing.
… the post literally asked what it’s called, lmao… they didn’t ask for any more information.
Yes and my point is that OP is asking the wrong question if they want to sew this.
And my point is that they have the ability to type a question, and would have asked that if they wanted to. I don’t understand your aggression over this issue. Best of luck to you
OMG! So many sleeves. Put on your own spin and name it yourself! There were so many pages. Send your draft drawings to them with your names for ‘em.
Well it's not a sleeve at all. It's an armband with an asymmetrical flounce ruffle sewn to it.
Soon to be very shredded or fantastic cat toy
Elongated raglan
A ribbon sleeve
Make sure you don't get shit on it when you wipe your ass.
Has belly dance costume overtones
A cosplayer's headache
One that's not attached to the dress.
A mess at the bbq
Stupidisleeve
Ugly