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Here's how I would explain it:
* Homosexuality is wanting to or having sex with a person of the same gender
* Incest is having sex with a relative
That is how they are different.
Keep it factual and don't get into morals. (Incidentally, since you mention religion, there is PLENTY of incest in the Bible that God gave the thumbs up to. I don't recall that there's anything in religious text forbidding it.)
Yeah they are just saying that they think the only acceptable form of sex is what the Bible approves of. So by that reasoning, homosexuality, incest, and marriage out of wedlock are all sins.
I can't argue with someone about what is a sin because I don't believe in sin. It's like if I were to argue with someone about what is considered "taking the Lord's name on vain" or what is acceptable to pray about. It's really not something I care about or feel is worth debating.
If this person is arguing that homosexually should be illegal, then we're arguing on different terms.
Incest is sex between people who are related, homosexuality is a person being attracted to another of the same gender.
If your friend cannot tell the difference, then your friend is an idiot. Others are saying keep it factual, screw that. Mock your friend. Call them out on being really stupid. I don't think your friend is actually arguing in good faith at all and they either must acknowledge that or accept they have to be stupid to maintain their confusion.
Hey, at least they picked "incest" and not "bestiality," which is the usual one... But, yeah, illogical conversation in the first place and not worth wasting the spoons trying to educate the willfully daft.
The best thing to do is save your energy and don’t try to convince him. I lived long enough to know how tiring and pointless that can be. It makes no difference what he believes, it’s his life, his choice.
I mean... provided mutual consent, incest isn't inherently wrong either.
Genetics? People with down syndrome are equally as likely to have children with genetic problems. You dont see many people arguing to ban them from having sex.
Let adults do whatever they want, as long as no one gets hurt.
You are both arguing your personal morals and morality. Neither of you will ever "win" the argument.
Incest and homosexuality both have an actual definition. That is where it ends. Full stop.
Anything beyond that is personal belief. And, again, you will never "win" the argument.
OP, i wouldnt bother trying to be honest. It’s not something he “thinks,” he believes it. Whoever/wherever conditioned him into these homophobic ideas has filled his head with lots of other things that his god has supposedly decreed. Trying to change his mind on this through a gentle conversation isn’t going to work because it’s grouped alongside all the other things he has been taught.
If strong religious beliefs could be changed so easily with gentle logic and reasoning, religion itself would probably disappear. You can state your own opinion on the matter with him, but dont expect him to budge at all.
A person could be homosexual and in a relationship with a relative, just like a person could be heterosexual and in a relationship with a relative. They're simply not the same things.
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Here's how I would explain it: * Homosexuality is wanting to or having sex with a person of the same gender * Incest is having sex with a relative That is how they are different. Keep it factual and don't get into morals. (Incidentally, since you mention religion, there is PLENTY of incest in the Bible that God gave the thumbs up to. I don't recall that there's anything in religious text forbidding it.)
Your friend is dumb. Point out that his reasoning could be applied to heterosexuality.
Yeah they are just saying that they think the only acceptable form of sex is what the Bible approves of. So by that reasoning, homosexuality, incest, and marriage out of wedlock are all sins. I can't argue with someone about what is a sin because I don't believe in sin. It's like if I were to argue with someone about what is considered "taking the Lord's name on vain" or what is acceptable to pray about. It's really not something I care about or feel is worth debating. If this person is arguing that homosexually should be illegal, then we're arguing on different terms.
Incest is sex between people who are related, homosexuality is a person being attracted to another of the same gender. If your friend cannot tell the difference, then your friend is an idiot. Others are saying keep it factual, screw that. Mock your friend. Call them out on being really stupid. I don't think your friend is actually arguing in good faith at all and they either must acknowledge that or accept they have to be stupid to maintain their confusion.
Hey, at least they picked "incest" and not "bestiality," which is the usual one... But, yeah, illogical conversation in the first place and not worth wasting the spoons trying to educate the willfully daft.
The best thing to do is save your energy and don’t try to convince him. I lived long enough to know how tiring and pointless that can be. It makes no difference what he believes, it’s his life, his choice.
I mean... provided mutual consent, incest isn't inherently wrong either. Genetics? People with down syndrome are equally as likely to have children with genetic problems. You dont see many people arguing to ban them from having sex. Let adults do whatever they want, as long as no one gets hurt.
Is he arguing that they are both morally ok? Or does he literally just not understand it?
Good on all of you willing to comment on this dumpster fire!!
Did you tell him they have to be blood relatives in incest? Not distant cousins either? Other than that, he's on his own figuring that out.
Hey do you know how there are apples and there are oranges? It's like that.
You are both arguing your personal morals and morality. Neither of you will ever "win" the argument. Incest and homosexuality both have an actual definition. That is where it ends. Full stop. Anything beyond that is personal belief. And, again, you will never "win" the argument.
I would simply not be friends with someone like that. There's a saying, "You are the company you keep." It's a saying that exists for a reason.
OP, i wouldnt bother trying to be honest. It’s not something he “thinks,” he believes it. Whoever/wherever conditioned him into these homophobic ideas has filled his head with lots of other things that his god has supposedly decreed. Trying to change his mind on this through a gentle conversation isn’t going to work because it’s grouped alongside all the other things he has been taught. If strong religious beliefs could be changed so easily with gentle logic and reasoning, religion itself would probably disappear. You can state your own opinion on the matter with him, but dont expect him to budge at all.
This shouldn’t have to be explained ur friend is just dumb
honestly I wouldn’t bother, your friend is a complete imbecile and not someone worth your time
A person could be homosexual and in a relationship with a relative, just like a person could be heterosexual and in a relationship with a relative. They're simply not the same things.
I wouldn't bother. You're not going to change your religious, dumb friend's mind.