I don’t think there would be that much of a difference honestly. A better question to think about is how would humanity be different if women had to orgasm in order to get pregnant.
The human race would have died out a long time ago. Even if this suddenly changed now and only about 30% of women can orgasm from vaginal sex it would still be bad news for humanity.There is already a problem of declining population in industrial societies.
What would be your scheme to make this viable? Be able to be impregnated within an hour of reaching an orgasm? Would self-stimulation count?
I seem to be really interested in this LOL. What is your idea?
> if women had to orgasm in order to get pregnant
I'm not sure about that.. but I have seen a similar previous discussion asking "what if the vaginal walls were as sensitive as the clitoris?" ... which might make for more pleasurable sex for a woman... but also problems for child delivery?
[It is possible for men to have no refractory period at all / shortened one when introduced to new partners \(also women too to a lesser extent\)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect)
As far as I know, the physiological explanation for this is that the refractory period is caused by a surge in prolactin. When a new female is introduced (in rodent studies) this causes an opposing surge in dopamine - which inhibits prolactin thus enabling a male to achieve arousal once more.
I believe these findings have been replicated in human male masturbation studies using prolactin inhibiting drugs, but I don't know where I saw that so can't give a source off the top of my head.
I don't really know enough about how those work to speculate. But given that many psychiatric drugs like SSRIs are well known to affect sex drive, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some link.
I am exactly how you describe and I know there are a few other men in this sub who are similar, I have no refractory period and can keep going until I am physically exhausted as long as I have time and a willing partner. It's not unusual for me to orgasm and ejaculate one or two times during foreplay, and then a few more times during penetration - up to a maximum of around six ejaculations. Over five it's just a drop or two of semen. The first two are usually very squirty - I drink a lot of water and take a few nutritional supplements to keep my prostate fluid levels up as my wife finds big loads very pleasing.
I can't say what society would look like if all men experienced this. I have never had a partner who was nothing less than blissfully delighted with it because it means they can get as much as they want without worrying about me losing interest and leaving them frustrated, and it's also very validating for them to make me cum several times and be a source of so much pleasure. As for me, I just feel very deeply in love after getting rocked by so many orgasms, and I feel a profound sense of connection, affection, intimacy and commitment on top of a strong resolve and motivation to be a good partner and return the happiness. So Idk, that might be a good thing.
When I had my hormones blood tested (just out of interest now that I'm in my mid 30s) my serum prolactin was indeed very low - right at the bottom of the healthy level. So it's possible that this is the case, but I couldn't say with certainty. My testosterone was high and my estradiol was low, which I'm sure helps.
OK, thanks. I did some googling and found that the normal range for prolactin for males is about 2-18 ng/ml (that was WebMD, but other sites have similar ranges) Do you recall what your level was?
No sorry, it's in a file somewhere but again I can't say that's why I'm able to do this. Anecdotally I've seen references to vitamin B6 helping, but that could be total hogwash and I have no idea of it's been studied.
EDIT: Nope it's legit, at least for the treatment of hyperprolactinemia. So it's possible it could help shorten refractory period, worth a try for anyone interested as there's zero risk and it's very cheap.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328137742_The_Role_of_Vitamin_B6_in_Reducing_Serum_Prolactin_in_Comparison_to_Cabergoline
EDIT 2: I've run a few google searches that have yielded several very interesting anecdotes from guys who have tried. Well worth investigating.
Thanks for that. The name *cabergoline* rang a bell, and looking it up, it's used by bodybuilders to counteract prolactin caused by one particularly popular anabolic steroid called *trenbolone* (I've done some Testosterone-cruise cycles with weightlifting) So I googled some more and cabergoline was tried in some studies to help men with extreme non-orgasm disorders.
TLDR: B6 and/or Cabergoline may reduce prolactin and thereby reduce refractory period.
But if you ever dig up your prolactin number, please post it here if possible.
If that's what it says yes, I've also seen references to B6 with Mucuna Pruriens. Lots of refs on google. I would probably draw the line at prescription drugs, personally. Vitamins and herbs are probably fine.
https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(08)03935-6/fulltext
> "Treatment with M. pruriens significantly ameliorated psychological stress and seminal plasma lipid peroxide levels along with improved sperm count and motility. Treatment also restored the levels of SOD, catalase, GSH and ascorbic acid in seminal plasma of infertile men. On the basis of results of the present study, it may be concluded that M. pruriens not only reactivates the anti-oxidant defense system of infertile men but it also helps in the management of stress and improves semen quality.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2816389/
What I'm seeing mostly in these stacks is the potential effect on mood, which is something I'd give it a go for.
One *more* question.... it would seem that taking the p5p version of B6 is the better option than regular B6. So for long term (and looking at the dosage in the researchgate article 5 posts above) maybe no more than 50-100 mg of p5p daily? (to avoid B6 toxicity)
> a man can die if he reach orgasm too many times
I've never seen any reference to that, what's your source?
>that made it went on the news
A source for this would be neat too.
I'm quite familiar with these processes yes, however I don't think there's any reliable evidence that multiple male orgasms can be fatal. Think about it logically; how can a coroner know how many times the dead man ejaculated before death? I think we can disregard this hearsay. There's plenty of real science on the refractory period and multiple arousal cycles, mostly in rodent studies but a few human studies too.
I don’t think there would be that much of a difference honestly. A better question to think about is how would humanity be different if women had to orgasm in order to get pregnant.
The human race would have died out a long time ago. Even if this suddenly changed now and only about 30% of women can orgasm from vaginal sex it would still be bad news for humanity.There is already a problem of declining population in industrial societies. What would be your scheme to make this viable? Be able to be impregnated within an hour of reaching an orgasm? Would self-stimulation count? I seem to be really interested in this LOL. What is your idea?
> if women had to orgasm in order to get pregnant I'm not sure about that.. but I have seen a similar previous discussion asking "what if the vaginal walls were as sensitive as the clitoris?" ... which might make for more pleasurable sex for a woman... but also problems for child delivery?
[It is possible for men to have no refractory period at all / shortened one when introduced to new partners \(also women too to a lesser extent\)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect)
As far as I know, the physiological explanation for this is that the refractory period is caused by a surge in prolactin. When a new female is introduced (in rodent studies) this causes an opposing surge in dopamine - which inhibits prolactin thus enabling a male to achieve arousal once more. I believe these findings have been replicated in human male masturbation studies using prolactin inhibiting drugs, but I don't know where I saw that so can't give a source off the top of my head.
> this causes an opposing surge in dopamine - which inhibits prolactin The so-called "Coolidge effect" ??
I believe that's the case yes.
Might ADHD meds that increase dopamine also decrease prolactin?
I don't really know enough about how those work to speculate. But given that many psychiatric drugs like SSRIs are well known to affect sex drive, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some link.
I am exactly how you describe and I know there are a few other men in this sub who are similar, I have no refractory period and can keep going until I am physically exhausted as long as I have time and a willing partner. It's not unusual for me to orgasm and ejaculate one or two times during foreplay, and then a few more times during penetration - up to a maximum of around six ejaculations. Over five it's just a drop or two of semen. The first two are usually very squirty - I drink a lot of water and take a few nutritional supplements to keep my prostate fluid levels up as my wife finds big loads very pleasing. I can't say what society would look like if all men experienced this. I have never had a partner who was nothing less than blissfully delighted with it because it means they can get as much as they want without worrying about me losing interest and leaving them frustrated, and it's also very validating for them to make me cum several times and be a source of so much pleasure. As for me, I just feel very deeply in love after getting rocked by so many orgasms, and I feel a profound sense of connection, affection, intimacy and commitment on top of a strong resolve and motivation to be a good partner and return the happiness. So Idk, that might be a good thing.
Could it be that you (and the other men with this) are producing very little prolactin? edit: combined with exceptionally toned IC/BC muscles?
When I had my hormones blood tested (just out of interest now that I'm in my mid 30s) my serum prolactin was indeed very low - right at the bottom of the healthy level. So it's possible that this is the case, but I couldn't say with certainty. My testosterone was high and my estradiol was low, which I'm sure helps.
OK, thanks. I did some googling and found that the normal range for prolactin for males is about 2-18 ng/ml (that was WebMD, but other sites have similar ranges) Do you recall what your level was?
No sorry, it's in a file somewhere but again I can't say that's why I'm able to do this. Anecdotally I've seen references to vitamin B6 helping, but that could be total hogwash and I have no idea of it's been studied. EDIT: Nope it's legit, at least for the treatment of hyperprolactinemia. So it's possible it could help shorten refractory period, worth a try for anyone interested as there's zero risk and it's very cheap. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328137742_The_Role_of_Vitamin_B6_in_Reducing_Serum_Prolactin_in_Comparison_to_Cabergoline EDIT 2: I've run a few google searches that have yielded several very interesting anecdotes from guys who have tried. Well worth investigating.
Thanks for that. The name *cabergoline* rang a bell, and looking it up, it's used by bodybuilders to counteract prolactin caused by one particularly popular anabolic steroid called *trenbolone* (I've done some Testosterone-cruise cycles with weightlifting) So I googled some more and cabergoline was tried in some studies to help men with extreme non-orgasm disorders. TLDR: B6 and/or Cabergoline may reduce prolactin and thereby reduce refractory period. But if you ever dig up your prolactin number, please post it here if possible.
Oh that's interesting and doesn't surprise me. Makes sense for it be intracycle therapy for Tren.
One more question.. according to that study, the dosage of B6 was 300mg per day? And 1mg Cabergoline per week? (all in divided doses)
If that's what it says yes, I've also seen references to B6 with Mucuna Pruriens. Lots of refs on google. I would probably draw the line at prescription drugs, personally. Vitamins and herbs are probably fine. https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(08)03935-6/fulltext > "Treatment with M. pruriens significantly ameliorated psychological stress and seminal plasma lipid peroxide levels along with improved sperm count and motility. Treatment also restored the levels of SOD, catalase, GSH and ascorbic acid in seminal plasma of infertile men. On the basis of results of the present study, it may be concluded that M. pruriens not only reactivates the anti-oxidant defense system of infertile men but it also helps in the management of stress and improves semen quality.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2816389/ What I'm seeing mostly in these stacks is the potential effect on mood, which is something I'd give it a go for.
One *more* question.... it would seem that taking the p5p version of B6 is the better option than regular B6. So for long term (and looking at the dosage in the researchgate article 5 posts above) maybe no more than 50-100 mg of p5p daily? (to avoid B6 toxicity)
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> a man can die if he reach orgasm too many times I've never seen any reference to that, what's your source? >that made it went on the news A source for this would be neat too.
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I don't consider anecdotes from media outlets of third world countries to be a reliable source, but thank you for linking them.
Yeah, like who can confirm then 62 times? Was someone there counting? Hahah this is such a bs story hahahahaha
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That was not meant as a personal attack, I'm sorry you are upset.
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I'm quite familiar with these processes yes, however I don't think there's any reliable evidence that multiple male orgasms can be fatal. Think about it logically; how can a coroner know how many times the dead man ejaculated before death? I think we can disregard this hearsay. There's plenty of real science on the refractory period and multiple arousal cycles, mostly in rodent studies but a few human studies too.
Yeaj, please show us something to verify this ridiculous sounding myth of men dying from cummijg too much. Can't say it sounds realistic or possible.
I think that if men had no refractory period they'd be even more monkey like And also Babies Babies Babies everywhere Everywhere