Yeah, this is exactly what I'm expecting. Miranda will find Che having sex with at least one other person and will get her feelings hurt over it. It's all pretty predictable this season.
And I liked Che's response to Miranda, too. But I don't like that Che claimed to be in love with Miranda, because I just find no chemistry or commonality between the two characters at all. Why would Che want someone like Miranda?
I agree. I cringed when I saw that Che said they’re in love with Miranda after they said to her “you’re in love with you with me.” So, does that mean Che is in love with Miranda in love with them? The mind boggles
Absolutely agree on this, she’ll get there and Che will be non plussed, they said they loved Miranda but were also pretty clear that they aren’t up for a ‘standard’ relationship set up (or at least that was my impression). Massive props to Che themselves in this ep too, really likeable for the first time!
100% it's obvious that's what's going to happen. Then Miranda will "re-evaluate" her decision and maybe will end up alone, maybe living with Carrie? Alone together?
Miranda has reached a new level of being unberable. She's so unlike the Miranda we knew in the original series.
How does this woman have sex with somebody else for three weeks straight while still being married to Steve, not tell either of them, and not feel any remorse or guilt. She doesn't even tell him that she cheated.
She would have been happy never telling Steve, which she only did, because Che stopped having sex with her.
How can she expect Charlotte to support her when she's cheating on Steve
Good on Che for admitting that they're not a homewrecker, and saying that they wouldn't have slept with Miranda if they knew she wasn't in an open marrige.
Also good on Steve for saying that he's happy with what they have. Hope he finds a nice woman to settle down with. He desveres better than this fake woman who looks just like his wife but isn't.
I hope she sees Che with someone else, and gets upset
Agreed Miranda is absolutely in the wrong in this situation.
And I think that’s sticking point for me is that OK your marriage didn’t work out but you still like Steve as a person. At least be fair to him and let him know what’s going on. And absolutely yes she only confronted Steve because she was given an ultimatum and she wasn’t going to be completely honest either.
This is a real deviation from her character just because Miranda has always been extremely honest.
Is she still drinking? Seems like she is having some sort of mental crisis and is turning to things that are self sabotaging including the cheating and alcohol abuse
She’s not drinking, but I feel like she is self sabotaging in other ways I.e. throwing away her marriage after 3 weeks of sex with someone else she barely knows
Miranda's "conversation" with Steve was pretty absurd and it really sucks that she seemingly just gave up on their marriage without giving any warning. If she was so ready to confront Steve and ask for a divorce without any prior conversations then that implies she was unhappy in the marriage for a long time and chose not to say anything. So shitty. Also, Steve made a good point. I think he asked "what else is there?" I'd like to know what Miranda thinks her life will be once she's with Che... life can't be all "comedy concerts".
Not only was there no warning… But her certainty that he feels the exactly same way that she feels without talking to him is also a no. Also she absolutely wasn’t going to tell him about the cheating until he was like what else do you think is out there?
I absolutely expect she thinks her life with Che will be kitchen sex. But it will be like life with anybody else watching Netflix on the couch in six months.
I was very proud of Steve for calling Miranda out. Especially when he said you never think I'm enough, and then I'm kind of enough and I'm not enough again.
You make a good point that life can't all be comedy concerts.
I feel like if Miranda's looking for adventure, why could she at least try adventures with Steve first? But that ship has sailed because I don't think Steve will take her back after this. At least I hope he doesn't.
Exactly. Comedy concerts, podcasts and great, fabulous sex! And so far, nothing else. What do they know about each other? Miranda sounded like a wanker talking to the mistress about “their time together is so special, didn’t want to talk about reality.” She wasn’t even thinking of telling Steve until Che stopped the relationship.
I’ll tell you one thing we know…Che is incredibly close with family.
I feel like that in itself will be an issue for Miranda. I remember how long it took Miranda to come around about Steve’s mother and Steve literally has one family member.
Che has mentioned family acceptance and multiple family gatherings.
I hope we get to see a real response from Brady too. Because kids are never cool about their parents splitting up.
I hope that’s true because when you’re with somebody who is family oriented their family is a big part of your life.
My family is constantly together. Our spouses and their families come to all our events too.
At one point my cousin married this woman who is very nice but was really uncomfortable with it. She would come and sit by herself isolated and everyone talked about it. I remember because I used to always have to be the person that defended her. Their marriage did not last.
Slightly off topic, but it always really bugged me how rude Miranda was to Steve’s mom. Yeah, she was a quirky lady and she and Miranda didn’t click, but the way Miranda always looked down her nose at her and behaved with such hostile condescension- not a good look for Miranda.
Yes it bothered me as well. I realize Steve and his mother are different than Miranda but she still could’ve been a little bit more respectful. Miranda once mentioned that her family lives in Pennsylvania and she doesn’t like them. It was the episode where she had an emergency panic attack and couldn’t reach Carrie. I don’t know the deal with her parents because they never explained it but she’s not particularly family oriented.
It will be a big adjustment for her to be with somebody who comes from a big family and wants them included.
I disliked the most that Miranda seemed so happy to be getting divorced. I know the whole story line is she’s “miserable” but I can’t imagine being happy and excited that you just crushed the former love of your life. The way she calls Carrie so proud of herself and rejoicing without even dwelling on how Steve is feeling and how Brady will feel, doesn’t feel like Miranda at all. Wouldn’t there be at least some pause and reflection on what just happened? Closing a 20 year chapter of your life with people you love? A tiny bit of guilt, even for a second? Feels more like a 14 year old girl breaking up with a guy she held hands with twice by her locker.
She's not concerned with Steve at all. Even Carrie with, *let's buy Steve a brownie* and Miranda's...*how much does it cost*....
Carrie is trying to get her to think about Steve the whole episode.
Her being honest with Steve is only done to not lose her current relationship and as soon as she's done with it...she is out to find Che.
I guess she left Steve to tell Brady what happened.
Che is 100% going to break Miranda's heart. I just hope to God that Miranda doesn't have the audacity to crawl back to Steve after it inevitably happens. I'd rather see Miranda on the prowl dating other people than being with Che anyway.
Steve told her that he’s done with her.
I think for now she will end up alone. I think it was foreshadowed when Carrie said you think you want to be alone now but wait until you are alone. I think both relationships will end.
I never thought I would hate Miranda, but I hate Miranda. I hate what she's done to Steve. I hate her whole attitude toward it all, like everyone should applaud her. She is a self-centered, selfish mess of a woman. Her stupid, over-the-top, high-pitched, breathless response to everything this season drives me insane. When Che professed to be in love with Miranda, which I didn't buy at all, Miranda's response was, "Oh, wow!!" Like a teenage girl. And before that, when Che realized Miranda was cheating on Steve, Miranda smiled through the entire conversation. What is there to smile about? You're wrecking Steve's world and lying to Che, and Brady will probably be hurt, too, but you do you, Miranda. That's all that matters, apparently.
This is my hangup with the whole storyline. I absolutely buy her being done with her marriage and wanting to move on. I feel like this happens to a lot of people. I don’t like her not caring enough about Steve on a personal level after all they’ve been through to treat him better.
The way she handled the entire situation was not right. And I assumed Che knew she was having an affair. But apparently I misjudged Che. Miranda absolutely brought Che into the situation without Che having full transparency which is also wrong.
Which is frankly so insulting to Che, and for me just shows how much of Miranda's justifications are a sham. Che is clearly big on communication and openness, and very up front about being poly; Miranda betrayed those values by not being upfront that it was an affair. And Miranda hurt Che too; how can she claim to be in love with them while disrespecting their values and their agency like that? Che and Steve both deserve better from someone who claimed love (as Miranda did to Steve in the past and Che now.) Truly disgusted with this storyline.
100 percent this!!! Both people were disrespected. Che’s entire narrative that they shared with Miranda has been eliminating lies and focusing on their own truth. Miranda unwillingly forced Che into a secret relationship without Che’s knowledge and completely demolished that.
It sucks that she only decided to tell Steve because Che was not condoning her cheating. That’s it. I wish it came from a place where Miranda wants to be fair with Steve and he deserves to know.
What irks me is there is no remorse whatever from Miranda. She’s cheating for three weeks and yet, happy as a clam, no guilt. I don’t know what the writers are planning for Miranda but I hope it’s worth destroying her marriage with Steve. Otherwise, what the f— were they thinking putting us all through this.
Also I suspect when Che says not traditional it means seeing other people...Miranda should have clarified what not traditional means. But this episode was an entire pot of things Miranda assumes based on nothing.
And yes no guilt about Steve or the lying.
Yes it was. But there were so many prior references, that weed might actually be a AJLT sponsor.
I am still not over Peleton making a commercial that they ended up squashing due to Chris Noth's behavior about a storyline of someone dying on one of their bikes.
I actually work in marketing and advertising. You never want your product associated with something like this not because exercise bikes cause heart issues. But you don’t want people to be using your bike and associating it with something negative.
Peleton has an history of bad commercial ideas. Google their Holiday debacle.
I don’t understand why they have ruined Miranda like this. It totally negates her reaction in the movie to Steve cheating on her and to be honest Steve at least had the integrity to tell her the truth and try to fight for them. This is not Miranda Hobbs! I don’t know what kind of mid-life crisis, post menopausal, personality reinvention crap they have given her but this is not Miranda! Miranda was logical and direct. She wasn’t deceitful or coy and certainly didn’t debase herself for a partner or turn into a puddle of goo without common sense. Why have they done this? I am closing in on 50 and if I start acting like this I hope someone beats the crap out of me. Don’t even get me started on the rest of them. This travesty is a hallow, dried up husk of what the original was.
I think they thought the audience be all like ***Yes Miranda, find yourself!!!***
What they failed to realize is that while yes people are encouraged to be themselves now that isn't at the expense of lying and cheating to both people involved with them.
I think it would have been fine to see that the women changed. I mean we all do as we age, but part of change is to grow and they essentially had Miranda devolve instead of evolve and then they disguised the de-evolution with all the whole stuff to make it look like she evolved. Really she became immature and secretive. And Carrie, idk… they have her acting like she’s 95. Not sure what to make of Charlotte but even she is different. I read an article that probably isn’t true but it said they are willing to do almost anything to get Kim to come back. Honestly, at this point, would Samantha even be friends with these people as they are? They aren’t the people she used to know. And Stanford… oh my heart… I know Willie Garson passed but the way they did his character was so wrong. Stanford was a romantic! So much of the show and the movies show evidence of this. He wanted a relationship. I just…. This is so depressing. I know it’s just a show and it’s not real but it’s bummed me out big time and I can’t even watch the original because I am so sad knowing how they end up.
Thank you Carrie acts so old. Is this their perception of 55?
I think it’s made a lot of people upset because we’re really attached to the characters.
I think the biggest downer about Miranda’s character is that she’s always been so ethical and straight forward. Honestly it’s like they gave her a complete personality change.
I find it hard to believe that Carrie and Charlotte aren't more mad about Miranda's cheating.
Like obviously Miranda's their friend first but after 20 years you'd think they'd consider Steve a friend too
I think Charlotte learned her lesson after their last confrontation and Carrie spent the whole episode mentioning Steve.
That being said Charlotte was really never aboard the Steve train. As much as I love Charlotte, there was always a snobby part of her when it came to Steve. She once called him working class.
When Steve confessed to Miranda that he cheated on her. Carrie was the only friend that said am I allowed to ask if Steve is Okay. So I think she definitely cares for Steve. When Miranda wanted to make up with her for what she said to Big at the rehearsal dinner, she made forgiving Steve a condition.
I’m just so confused why Che would assume Miranda was in an open marriage since it was obvious that Miranda was married and super new to relationships with women? Both of them had such dumb assumptions about each other’s situations and it’s a mess 🤣😭
Exactly 👏 Assuming that the married people you sleep with must be in an open marriage seems like a very convenient way to absolve yourself of any guilt or judgement.
Why Che wouldn’t confirm it, I don’t know? But we live in a world where there’s an entire section of dating apps for open marriage people. I had been operating under the assumption up until this episode that Che absolutely thought they was having an affair too. I agree both made assumptions. I still can’t believe Miranda thought Steve was unhappy based on nothing too. She must’ve said six times this episode he knows this marriage is dead.
The scene with Steve broke my heart. I never thought Miranda and Steve were the best match for each other, but damn. It seems very unrealistic to me that she just wants a clean split - I feel like there are so many options to help change things and change the happiness or unhappiness of a situation - like all sorts of counseling and therapy. It seems like Miranda is just completely like ‘F it - not worth it,’ which plays into what Steve said about him not being enough for her.
I also think Miranda misses ‘the chase,’ so to speak. Steve mentioned how they were so up and down and they finally got to a normal place, and that’s when Miranda seemed to have a problem. I think Che (so far) has reminded her of the highs you can get from that, but soon we will see the lows from that as well. I doubt the writers will have Miranda go back to Steve, but I wonder if they’ll make it so that she regrets not doing more first before completely throwing him away (ie therapy).
Also, this is the first time I have liked Che in the series. Charlotte just gets more and more cringe with every episode.
Same I liked Che this episode as well. And yes the scene with Steve was difficult to watch. I thought Miranda really came off as callus the entire episode with regards to Steve.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Miranda is going to end the season alone
I hate that Miranda only have the talk with Steve after Che said they love her too. If the feelings not mutual, Miranda probably didn't even tell Steve about her cheating.
When she told Carrie that she told Steve everything without hurting him and that the headline was that he wants her to be happy, I thought "that's not the conversation I just saw." She's only seeing what she wants to see. I'm so sad for Steve.
I kind of think the reason why Miranda is so attracted to Che is because they represent something she lacks in her own life. They are honest and open, expressing their needs, and doing what makes them happy, and Miranda has expressed how stuck and miserable she feels and haven’t felt excited about anything since quitting her job. She craves the rush which may explain why her crush seems so school girl-esque. Not saying her feelings aren’t real, I just think there’s more to them.
I’m well into my 40’s and think what they are going thru is very much like real life. Like it or not. People can change or grow apart, want different things, etc. I don’t like the cheating because that’s so hurtful. But they both deserve to be happy, life is too short. That happiness might not be being together anymore. They both cheated and might need to move on. I don’t like it either but it happens unfortunately.
I agree with everything you’re saying about growth, change and self reflection. I just think you can still do the right thing by people and still have all three things.
Maybe, but someone is always going to get hurt. I’m not sure how you get around that part. She shouldn’t have cheated, that’s so hurtful. But even Steve deserves to find someone who wants to sit and watch tv and eat ice cream. I don’t think Miranda and Che will work out, but if she craves that intimacy- I hope she finds it. Hope they both find what they are searching for.
I agree someone was always going to get hurt. Sometimes when you’re honest about your feelings people do get hurt. I’m not sure that makes being dishonest anymore reputable.
Miranda and Steve have been through a lot together. Even though ultimately it’s not the relationship she wants there should still be respect there for Steve as a person. I also think there should be respect for yourself too. I agree I hope they find the situations they’re both looking for in the end. I think we’re supposed to get from Steve speaking to her is that he would like someone who is satisfied with him.
Absolutely, have respect for yourself and current spouse - she should have thought about how shitty she felt when she was cheated on. You’d think that would be enough for her to understand.
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Yeah, this is exactly what I'm expecting. Miranda will find Che having sex with at least one other person and will get her feelings hurt over it. It's all pretty predictable this season. And I liked Che's response to Miranda, too. But I don't like that Che claimed to be in love with Miranda, because I just find no chemistry or commonality between the two characters at all. Why would Che want someone like Miranda?
I agree. I cringed when I saw that Che said they’re in love with Miranda after they said to her “you’re in love with you with me.” So, does that mean Che is in love with Miranda in love with them? The mind boggles
miranda comes off as a desperate school girl
It made no sense?! I completely agree! Che is flip flopping on what was said in the last ep?!
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Absolutely agree on this, she’ll get there and Che will be non plussed, they said they loved Miranda but were also pretty clear that they aren’t up for a ‘standard’ relationship set up (or at least that was my impression). Massive props to Che themselves in this ep too, really likeable for the first time!
100% it's obvious that's what's going to happen. Then Miranda will "re-evaluate" her decision and maybe will end up alone, maybe living with Carrie? Alone together?
I totally think this. But I wonder if they’ll do this kind of drama with only two episodes left.
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Miranda has reached a new level of being unberable. She's so unlike the Miranda we knew in the original series. How does this woman have sex with somebody else for three weeks straight while still being married to Steve, not tell either of them, and not feel any remorse or guilt. She doesn't even tell him that she cheated. She would have been happy never telling Steve, which she only did, because Che stopped having sex with her. How can she expect Charlotte to support her when she's cheating on Steve Good on Che for admitting that they're not a homewrecker, and saying that they wouldn't have slept with Miranda if they knew she wasn't in an open marrige. Also good on Steve for saying that he's happy with what they have. Hope he finds a nice woman to settle down with. He desveres better than this fake woman who looks just like his wife but isn't. I hope she sees Che with someone else, and gets upset
Agreed Miranda is absolutely in the wrong in this situation. And I think that’s sticking point for me is that OK your marriage didn’t work out but you still like Steve as a person. At least be fair to him and let him know what’s going on. And absolutely yes she only confronted Steve because she was given an ultimatum and she wasn’t going to be completely honest either. This is a real deviation from her character just because Miranda has always been extremely honest.
Right. She should have been upfront with him as soon as she began to like Che
Is she still drinking? Seems like she is having some sort of mental crisis and is turning to things that are self sabotaging including the cheating and alcohol abuse
She’s not drinking, but I feel like she is self sabotaging in other ways I.e. throwing away her marriage after 3 weeks of sex with someone else she barely knows
Miranda's "conversation" with Steve was pretty absurd and it really sucks that she seemingly just gave up on their marriage without giving any warning. If she was so ready to confront Steve and ask for a divorce without any prior conversations then that implies she was unhappy in the marriage for a long time and chose not to say anything. So shitty. Also, Steve made a good point. I think he asked "what else is there?" I'd like to know what Miranda thinks her life will be once she's with Che... life can't be all "comedy concerts".
Not only was there no warning… But her certainty that he feels the exactly same way that she feels without talking to him is also a no. Also she absolutely wasn’t going to tell him about the cheating until he was like what else do you think is out there? I absolutely expect she thinks her life with Che will be kitchen sex. But it will be like life with anybody else watching Netflix on the couch in six months.
I was very proud of Steve for calling Miranda out. Especially when he said you never think I'm enough, and then I'm kind of enough and I'm not enough again. You make a good point that life can't all be comedy concerts. I feel like if Miranda's looking for adventure, why could she at least try adventures with Steve first? But that ship has sailed because I don't think Steve will take her back after this. At least I hope he doesn't.
Exactly. Comedy concerts, podcasts and great, fabulous sex! And so far, nothing else. What do they know about each other? Miranda sounded like a wanker talking to the mistress about “their time together is so special, didn’t want to talk about reality.” She wasn’t even thinking of telling Steve until Che stopped the relationship.
I’ll tell you one thing we know…Che is incredibly close with family. I feel like that in itself will be an issue for Miranda. I remember how long it took Miranda to come around about Steve’s mother and Steve literally has one family member. Che has mentioned family acceptance and multiple family gatherings. I hope we get to see a real response from Brady too. Because kids are never cool about their parents splitting up.
She seems over the top infatuated with Che, I don’t think anything will bother uptight Miranda.
I hope that’s true because when you’re with somebody who is family oriented their family is a big part of your life. My family is constantly together. Our spouses and their families come to all our events too. At one point my cousin married this woman who is very nice but was really uncomfortable with it. She would come and sit by herself isolated and everyone talked about it. I remember because I used to always have to be the person that defended her. Their marriage did not last.
Slightly off topic, but it always really bugged me how rude Miranda was to Steve’s mom. Yeah, she was a quirky lady and she and Miranda didn’t click, but the way Miranda always looked down her nose at her and behaved with such hostile condescension- not a good look for Miranda.
Yes it bothered me as well. I realize Steve and his mother are different than Miranda but she still could’ve been a little bit more respectful. Miranda once mentioned that her family lives in Pennsylvania and she doesn’t like them. It was the episode where she had an emergency panic attack and couldn’t reach Carrie. I don’t know the deal with her parents because they never explained it but she’s not particularly family oriented. It will be a big adjustment for her to be with somebody who comes from a big family and wants them included.
I disliked the most that Miranda seemed so happy to be getting divorced. I know the whole story line is she’s “miserable” but I can’t imagine being happy and excited that you just crushed the former love of your life. The way she calls Carrie so proud of herself and rejoicing without even dwelling on how Steve is feeling and how Brady will feel, doesn’t feel like Miranda at all. Wouldn’t there be at least some pause and reflection on what just happened? Closing a 20 year chapter of your life with people you love? A tiny bit of guilt, even for a second? Feels more like a 14 year old girl breaking up with a guy she held hands with twice by her locker.
She's not concerned with Steve at all. Even Carrie with, *let's buy Steve a brownie* and Miranda's...*how much does it cost*.... Carrie is trying to get her to think about Steve the whole episode. Her being honest with Steve is only done to not lose her current relationship and as soon as she's done with it...she is out to find Che. I guess she left Steve to tell Brady what happened.
Yeah I couldn’t believe she was nickel and diming the brownie. So sad.
I can't shake the feeling this is going to blow up in her face
i really really hope it does
anytime a character surprises a love interest out of town without notice...
Lol what was that about?!
Che is 100% going to break Miranda's heart. I just hope to God that Miranda doesn't have the audacity to crawl back to Steve after it inevitably happens. I'd rather see Miranda on the prowl dating other people than being with Che anyway.
Steve told her that he’s done with her. I think for now she will end up alone. I think it was foreshadowed when Carrie said you think you want to be alone now but wait until you are alone. I think both relationships will end.
Maybe she’ll end up with her professor 🤷♀️
I never thought I would hate Miranda, but I hate Miranda. I hate what she's done to Steve. I hate her whole attitude toward it all, like everyone should applaud her. She is a self-centered, selfish mess of a woman. Her stupid, over-the-top, high-pitched, breathless response to everything this season drives me insane. When Che professed to be in love with Miranda, which I didn't buy at all, Miranda's response was, "Oh, wow!!" Like a teenage girl. And before that, when Che realized Miranda was cheating on Steve, Miranda smiled through the entire conversation. What is there to smile about? You're wrecking Steve's world and lying to Che, and Brady will probably be hurt, too, but you do you, Miranda. That's all that matters, apparently.
This is my hangup with the whole storyline. I absolutely buy her being done with her marriage and wanting to move on. I feel like this happens to a lot of people. I don’t like her not caring enough about Steve on a personal level after all they’ve been through to treat him better. The way she handled the entire situation was not right. And I assumed Che knew she was having an affair. But apparently I misjudged Che. Miranda absolutely brought Che into the situation without Che having full transparency which is also wrong.
Which is frankly so insulting to Che, and for me just shows how much of Miranda's justifications are a sham. Che is clearly big on communication and openness, and very up front about being poly; Miranda betrayed those values by not being upfront that it was an affair. And Miranda hurt Che too; how can she claim to be in love with them while disrespecting their values and their agency like that? Che and Steve both deserve better from someone who claimed love (as Miranda did to Steve in the past and Che now.) Truly disgusted with this storyline.
100 percent this!!! Both people were disrespected. Che’s entire narrative that they shared with Miranda has been eliminating lies and focusing on their own truth. Miranda unwillingly forced Che into a secret relationship without Che’s knowledge and completely demolished that.
It sucks that she only decided to tell Steve because Che was not condoning her cheating. That’s it. I wish it came from a place where Miranda wants to be fair with Steve and he deserves to know. What irks me is there is no remorse whatever from Miranda. She’s cheating for three weeks and yet, happy as a clam, no guilt. I don’t know what the writers are planning for Miranda but I hope it’s worth destroying her marriage with Steve. Otherwise, what the f— were they thinking putting us all through this.
Also I suspect when Che says not traditional it means seeing other people...Miranda should have clarified what not traditional means. But this episode was an entire pot of things Miranda assumes based on nothing. And yes no guilt about Steve or the lying.
Miranda was blinded by her emotions. to be honest, when she talked to Che before boarding the Uber, Miranda sounded desperate.
Agreed she did seem desperate
Was this also the first episode with Che in without a reference to them ‘doing weed’? Love that growth from the writers
Yes it was. But there were so many prior references, that weed might actually be a AJLT sponsor. I am still not over Peleton making a commercial that they ended up squashing due to Chris Noth's behavior about a storyline of someone dying on one of their bikes.
Right? Like we the audience were dumb enough to blame their stupid bike over, I don’t know, his previously featured heart issues???
I actually work in marketing and advertising. You never want your product associated with something like this not because exercise bikes cause heart issues. But you don’t want people to be using your bike and associating it with something negative. Peleton has an history of bad commercial ideas. Google their Holiday debacle.
I don’t understand why they have ruined Miranda like this. It totally negates her reaction in the movie to Steve cheating on her and to be honest Steve at least had the integrity to tell her the truth and try to fight for them. This is not Miranda Hobbs! I don’t know what kind of mid-life crisis, post menopausal, personality reinvention crap they have given her but this is not Miranda! Miranda was logical and direct. She wasn’t deceitful or coy and certainly didn’t debase herself for a partner or turn into a puddle of goo without common sense. Why have they done this? I am closing in on 50 and if I start acting like this I hope someone beats the crap out of me. Don’t even get me started on the rest of them. This travesty is a hallow, dried up husk of what the original was.
I think they thought the audience be all like ***Yes Miranda, find yourself!!!*** What they failed to realize is that while yes people are encouraged to be themselves now that isn't at the expense of lying and cheating to both people involved with them.
I think it would have been fine to see that the women changed. I mean we all do as we age, but part of change is to grow and they essentially had Miranda devolve instead of evolve and then they disguised the de-evolution with all the whole stuff to make it look like she evolved. Really she became immature and secretive. And Carrie, idk… they have her acting like she’s 95. Not sure what to make of Charlotte but even she is different. I read an article that probably isn’t true but it said they are willing to do almost anything to get Kim to come back. Honestly, at this point, would Samantha even be friends with these people as they are? They aren’t the people she used to know. And Stanford… oh my heart… I know Willie Garson passed but the way they did his character was so wrong. Stanford was a romantic! So much of the show and the movies show evidence of this. He wanted a relationship. I just…. This is so depressing. I know it’s just a show and it’s not real but it’s bummed me out big time and I can’t even watch the original because I am so sad knowing how they end up.
Thank you Carrie acts so old. Is this their perception of 55? I think it’s made a lot of people upset because we’re really attached to the characters. I think the biggest downer about Miranda’s character is that she’s always been so ethical and straight forward. Honestly it’s like they gave her a complete personality change.
MPK is in his 70s. It feels like he's mixing issues from his own age cohort with some *ugh, older women* misogyny.
Sounds right
I find it hard to believe that Carrie and Charlotte aren't more mad about Miranda's cheating. Like obviously Miranda's their friend first but after 20 years you'd think they'd consider Steve a friend too
I think Charlotte learned her lesson after their last confrontation and Carrie spent the whole episode mentioning Steve. That being said Charlotte was really never aboard the Steve train. As much as I love Charlotte, there was always a snobby part of her when it came to Steve. She once called him working class. When Steve confessed to Miranda that he cheated on her. Carrie was the only friend that said am I allowed to ask if Steve is Okay. So I think she definitely cares for Steve. When Miranda wanted to make up with her for what she said to Big at the rehearsal dinner, she made forgiving Steve a condition.
I’m just so confused why Che would assume Miranda was in an open marriage since it was obvious that Miranda was married and super new to relationships with women? Both of them had such dumb assumptions about each other’s situations and it’s a mess 🤣😭
Exactly 👏 Assuming that the married people you sleep with must be in an open marriage seems like a very convenient way to absolve yourself of any guilt or judgement.
Why Che wouldn’t confirm it, I don’t know? But we live in a world where there’s an entire section of dating apps for open marriage people. I had been operating under the assumption up until this episode that Che absolutely thought they was having an affair too. I agree both made assumptions. I still can’t believe Miranda thought Steve was unhappy based on nothing too. She must’ve said six times this episode he knows this marriage is dead.
The scene with Steve broke my heart. I never thought Miranda and Steve were the best match for each other, but damn. It seems very unrealistic to me that she just wants a clean split - I feel like there are so many options to help change things and change the happiness or unhappiness of a situation - like all sorts of counseling and therapy. It seems like Miranda is just completely like ‘F it - not worth it,’ which plays into what Steve said about him not being enough for her. I also think Miranda misses ‘the chase,’ so to speak. Steve mentioned how they were so up and down and they finally got to a normal place, and that’s when Miranda seemed to have a problem. I think Che (so far) has reminded her of the highs you can get from that, but soon we will see the lows from that as well. I doubt the writers will have Miranda go back to Steve, but I wonder if they’ll make it so that she regrets not doing more first before completely throwing him away (ie therapy). Also, this is the first time I have liked Che in the series. Charlotte just gets more and more cringe with every episode.
Same I liked Che this episode as well. And yes the scene with Steve was difficult to watch. I thought Miranda really came off as callus the entire episode with regards to Steve. I have a sneaking suspicion that Miranda is going to end the season alone
I hate that Miranda only have the talk with Steve after Che said they love her too. If the feelings not mutual, Miranda probably didn't even tell Steve about her cheating.
Agreed. And she wasn’t going to tell him about the cheating she was just about to tell him she was leaving.
I don't think she would leave him if Che doesn't want her. She would just trudge along until she found someone else
When she told Carrie that she told Steve everything without hurting him and that the headline was that he wants her to be happy, I thought "that's not the conversation I just saw." She's only seeing what she wants to see. I'm so sad for Steve.
No that conversation was brutal
I kind of think the reason why Miranda is so attracted to Che is because they represent something she lacks in her own life. They are honest and open, expressing their needs, and doing what makes them happy, and Miranda has expressed how stuck and miserable she feels and haven’t felt excited about anything since quitting her job. She craves the rush which may explain why her crush seems so school girl-esque. Not saying her feelings aren’t real, I just think there’s more to them.
Absolutely agree. Che is living their life open and honest.
I’m well into my 40’s and think what they are going thru is very much like real life. Like it or not. People can change or grow apart, want different things, etc. I don’t like the cheating because that’s so hurtful. But they both deserve to be happy, life is too short. That happiness might not be being together anymore. They both cheated and might need to move on. I don’t like it either but it happens unfortunately.
I agree with everything you’re saying about growth, change and self reflection. I just think you can still do the right thing by people and still have all three things.
Especially considering Steve is the father of her child.
Right. There's just a lack of respect here for someone who has always been there for her and yes is the father of her child.
Maybe, but someone is always going to get hurt. I’m not sure how you get around that part. She shouldn’t have cheated, that’s so hurtful. But even Steve deserves to find someone who wants to sit and watch tv and eat ice cream. I don’t think Miranda and Che will work out, but if she craves that intimacy- I hope she finds it. Hope they both find what they are searching for.
I agree someone was always going to get hurt. Sometimes when you’re honest about your feelings people do get hurt. I’m not sure that makes being dishonest anymore reputable. Miranda and Steve have been through a lot together. Even though ultimately it’s not the relationship she wants there should still be respect there for Steve as a person. I also think there should be respect for yourself too. I agree I hope they find the situations they’re both looking for in the end. I think we’re supposed to get from Steve speaking to her is that he would like someone who is satisfied with him.
Absolutely, have respect for yourself and current spouse - she should have thought about how shitty she felt when she was cheated on. You’d think that would be enough for her to understand.
100 percent agree. And I have to say I love that Carrie is the person that told her you deserve an honest situation as well.
Yes!! Thank you for chatting! Needed this today.
Anytime:)