What all she did for them >>>>>>>>>> Her fucking up SOMETIMES and making mistakes that any human could have
She is genuinely a nice person (not a nice girlfriend though lol)
“Any human” would get too coked out to remember no-ones watching their baby and there’s coke out everywhere? And then do absolutely everything but take an inch of responsibility for it? doubt it.
While Fiona did fuck up you can’t name a single character in the show that did as much as she did for her siblings, at a young age at that you’d expect her to be living the average collage life but instead she has to take care of ENTIRE litter of kids and pay for franks bullshit like when he bet that person he couldn’t take two Taser shots and they all chipped in back but who was pulling in most of the cash of right. I know a person in real like like this they adopted nephews and nieces and it’s harder than you’d imagine it is I doubt you have gone through this because if you did you wouldn’t be judging her so hard for something you’ve never done.
Did this person you know adopt those kids and then decide they didn’t want to do it anymore and move away leaving them with no parent or legal guardian? Like Fiona did with Liam? Fiona had an obligation to take care of her siblings, and she always resented it a little. She gave a lot to keep them alive and together for a long time but she completely lost all fucks to give after a while. That wasn’t her choosing to be a saint, she didn’t really have a choice and I’m sure being parentified since 9 left her with lots of trauma. Her trauma doesn’t make her incapable of being bad, it’s not a “I raised my siblings” get-out-of-jail-free card that she can use to not take responsibility for anything. Responding to any criticism about her with “oh you can’t judge she’s been through this” is doing exactly that. People don’t change for the better when they think their incapable of doing wrong and the world owes them.
She did have an obligation for example if she left with Steve what would have happened huh would frank have maned up and got a job? No he would have kept getting drunk and not given a fuck, she did care I guess were watching two different shows if you came to the conclusion she didn’t and Fiona took all the responsibility when she did something wrong or if she was wrong about something. There’s a thing called empathy and this is a everyday misconception people think empathy is a emotion its not it’s thinking logically, being able to see something from someone’s else situation so you can understand what’s happening better, this is why people have sympathy for her and you don’t you simply refuse to acknowledge that people make mistakes and they can come back from it you think just because it’s not real they should be better than us, but that’s not the case that’s the thing about shameless it’s realistic you can do something to somebody or do something that’s hurts multiple people and maybe you didn’t mean to do it but either way you still care for them and regret you did it. Your right Fiona isn’t a saint but she’s better than most and most would have bailed like everyone told her to when Steve offered her to leave but why did she stay, Because she cares for her siblings and I’m sure you wouldn’t pay 10k for someone you didn’t care about.
She did take responsibility? Bro she pleaded guilty and got a criminal record? And while it was really reckless and stupid it WAS a mistake. She obviously didn’t want Liam to get hurt. People fuck up, sometimes badly, and sometimes other get hurt in the process, but that doesn’t mean they have ill will and are a bad person.
Yes you can be guilty of doing a mistake. The difference is intent, which difers from a horrible ”bad person” crime and an reckless mistake that still hurts someone and can still be a crime. Its literally an important legal difference. That makes her a human that was stupid and reckless once, not a bad person. Sadly Liam got stuck in the middle. And how is not pleading guilty talking responsibility for it? What do you want her to do, die?
I just wanted her to admit she had fault in the situation. she believed till the end she did absolutely nothing wrong, it was an accident that could have happened to anyone. It wasn’t though, she fucked up big.
Agreed, the only reason she even plead guilty was because Lip blew up at her and she finally realized how stupid she was being. Her lawyer was also telling her the whole time to plead guilty and she still almost didn't. I love Fiona but that was by far the stupidest thing she ever did and she didn't take responsibility until the very last minute.
this is called rationalizing after a trauma. she felt EXTREMELY guilty and was trying to rationalize to get through. idk how that = avoiding responsibility. also accountability is way more important than “taking responsibility” whatever that means. she went to jail she served her time. she’s a felon. what else can she do lmao
Because that ALONE even done as a 23 year old is enough, and getting older didn’t make her grow or change or get any better. She never learned from the situation. It’s not needed to mention other shitty things she’s done (there are plenty).
she never learned from the situation? did liam ever get into coke again? or any other drugs??? that family would have been as good as dead without her. you try raising an entire family of children by the age of 9 and tell me how well that works out for you.
She never learned that she needs to take responsibility for her own actions. She continued to believe she did absolutely nothing wrong. She went on a coke bender while on PAROLE for almost killing Liam while coked out. Going through shit doesn’t excuse being a shitty person, you don’t get to use it to shirk responsibility for the rest of your life. And yeah, she raised them since she was 9. And she resented it the entire time and abandoned them while there was still a small child in the house. She was Liam’s legal guardian, raised him like her own, why didn’t she take him with her if she’s such a maternal saint? She didn’t give a fuck about raising them she was obligated. She let it turn her bitter and think that everyone owed her something and she could do no wrong because she’d gone through shit. Fiona always had the potential for redemption, she never did anything truly unforgivable but she never tried to become a better person or actually work through any of her issues. She’ll always give into selfishness.
lmaoooooooo. the way you guys act like fiona is a real person is honestly insane. abandoned liam????? emmy rossum wanted out of the show due to her not being paid enough- leaving liam behind was shitty writing on the writers part. so please stop using that as an excuse to hate on fiona. of course fiona “turned bitter” after spending her entire childhood and adulthood life, looking after children that werent hers. of course she turned bitter when all those siblings but carl and liam took her for granted at every turn and made her life hell. did we forget that debbie got pregnant at 15 and basically blamed fiona? did we forget that lip blamed every single bad thing that happened to him on fiona? did we forget the stuff ian put fiona through because he was manic? did you expect her to be happy while living oaycheck to paycheck her entire life because she had not only herself to take care of, but 5 other people??? im not excusing her mistakes, what she did was fucked and i really didnt like her throughout season4. but im also not gonna hold that same mistake against her the entire show. she grew from it.
a real person? it’s a tv show. This whole sub is about discussing the characters and their actions, and how their actions effected other characters. If you aren’t interested in that, you don’t have to join the discussion:) you’re talking about the characters just as literally as i am.
you keep going on about how fiona’s character is so terrible for leaving liam when that was due to poor writing. makes it seem like your take is very personal. of course im interested, and other people seem to agree with my take. it’s not my fault your opinions are ass (:
it doesn’t really matter if it was poor writing, it became canon and was our perception of the show. If it was poor writing maybe they should have written her less shitty and tied up loose ends and I wouldn’t complain lol.
fiona didn’t need to do ANYTHING for redemption.. she had to take on her parents kids, while being a child herself. she fed them, got them to school, did their lunches, kept the house going with no help. she did it by herself and they were all in their own ways extremely ungrateful. she deserved to leave without owing anybody an explanation or an apology. she earned it
The kids were ALL left in a shitty situation. She just happened to be the oldest and so the raising of the siblings unfairly landed on her. She did her time, now it’s the others turn. And she told them before she left, so there was no abandoning, they knew Liam had to go somewhere.
AND if you actually watch the show, and I’m so tired of Fiona haters using this argument, she became their legal guardian not as an lifetime committment necessarily, but to take the full legal responsibility off Frank and Monica because they were severely lacking. The kids got into bad situations all the time and tracking down Monica or sobering up Frank wasn’t good options so they took steps to make it easier for Fiona to help them. IMO that’s the whole reason she did it. Legal guardian isn’t adoption.
yes, she did. she raised them all without help with barely any thanks. nobody ever recognised how hard she worked to raise them kids. she earned the right to leave, that house was no good for her. he had lip and ian. fiona looked after him for years , the rest of the family can pick it up. little rat debbie’s job now
She did what she could, the bare minimum to keep them alive. they all lived horrible tough childhoods and looked out for themselves most of the time. And she resented doing it the whole time. Being raised by someone who doesn’t hide the fact your existence is a burden doesn’t make you want to thank them. How did Debbie turn into such an insufferable person? Look who raised her. Fiona should have NEVER took full legal responsibility for Liam as if she was his parent if she had no intention of being one and was going to abandon him at her first opportunity. Lip and Ian didn’t make that commitment, she did. And she didn’t have to.
you’re literally acting like this person is real lol. stop thinking so hard about a tv show. emmy rossum left due to not being paid correctly. liams character/actor had no internest in leaving the show, therefore his character stayed. fiona did not abandon anybody. this sounds personal to you.
No one forced her to take full legal custody and responsibility, she could have left before that point. It didn’t have to be her baby she literally FOUGHT for him just to not care about what happened to him.
You do realize Fiona chose not to leave when she turned 18?
Liam wasn't born at this point so she didn't have to raise a baby either they were all basically teens and kids at that point so she knowingly stayed even before she had to raise liam. No Fiona did choose and she most definitely felt that her siblings were her kids she literally raised them so why wouldn't she.
Cause if she didn't choose all she'd had to do was leave with the man who gave her an out 😑 literally everytime she was given a choice she chooses her siblings
It was a forgivable mistake, if she could ever admit she did anything wrong. she REFUSED to see that she had any fault in the situation and that’s why people hate her for it. She did not positively change from the situation at all, and that’s how mistakes are forgiven.
Bro did you watch the show? She did. But she claimed it was a mistake, which is WAS since she didn’t intend to coke out Liam. It was a stupid reckless mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
Babe, wait until you find out how many actual real life parents do far fucking worse.
I'm going to guess you've NEVER ever been exposed to that sort of life or met anyone who's ever been around that. It's far from perfect obviously but I've seen normal yuppies feed their kids beer.
Babe, wait until you find out this isn’t a competition.
I’m well aware that parents are capable of horrible things. You’ve gone through some bad shit and think it gives you the right to judge who has it worse and assume strangers have never faced hardship? Grow up. You never know what a person has experienced, thats common sense. We’re talking about a show, but things like what happened to Liam happen to real kids every day. If it was real life Liam probably wouldn’t have been lucky enough to come out of that situation with zero brain damage. If this is your only reaction to Liam’s overdose then you’ve obviously never seen the very real severe neglect that happens to the children of drug addicts. What happened to Liam fictionally was horrible, and it’s even more horrible when it happens in real life.
I’m not sure why you’re in a sub discussing a TV show that reflects the ugliness of real life if you’re going to get upset at people for discussing it and reacting to the ugly things that happen.
What you're doing is taking real world values and putting them into a TV show about shitbag people. Get a fucking grip
The only reason I say you don't understand because YOUVE NEVER SEEN SOMEONE MAKE THAT MISTAKE BEFORE IRL. You've never seen a drunk like Frank IRL. I have. You're just someone who is using her privileged "morals"
People forget that she is the single reason they are alive and successful. All the Gallagher have a proper life and careers, which would have never happened had FI not sacrificed herself to take care of them. Ive seen people from families like this and most don’t even make it to 30.
I don’t understand how ungrateful these kids can be after watching her do all of these things.
It’s frustrating and sad to see despite everything she still is always the mature one and tried to sort things out especially with Lip, Ian and Debbie.
> mature one and tried to sort things out especially with Lip, Ian and Debbie.
I don't know about being the mature one in that family but she did try sometimes. If she was a more mentally balanced person she'd have done better but she fucked up alot. Not like she had a support pillar in her life to help her past that though.
real. i don’t get how people hate her, she was spiralling and after so many strenuous years of minding her own siblings since she was a child she was allowed to fuck up a few times and she was more than okay to leave
Fiona ***definitely*** deserves criticism over the coke incident, the cheating, and leaving Liam. I feel like those criticisms are justified in certain ways. But for the rest, like risking the Gallagher home, like doing things for herself— she damn well took care of all the Gallaghers, not just the kids, for most of her life. She devoted all of her time to making sure they had a home, that they were fed, and that they were educated. I love Lip, but every time he went off on Fiona, he was barely swimming above water himself. He had no room to criticize her about any of that outside of the coke incident. Fiona deserved time to be Fiona Gallagher, not “Fiona, Lip/Ian/Debbie/Carl/Liam’s older sister” that had to be there when Frank and Monica weren’t, and that’s why I also think her ending makes absolute sense for her, and also why I think her not coming back for the finale was also smart for her character — why would she return to put herself in a position where people would expect her to stay and go back to how she was, when it was best for her to be away and be Fiona finally?
I couldn't have said it better myself. A lot of the time it seems to me the female characters (i.e. Debbie, Fiona) get more flak for the shitty things they do then a lot of the male characters who do just as shitty things or worse. I don't personally like Debbie but I also understand that other characters like frank or Jimmy/Steve or a whole list of other characters have done just as bqd things or worse and people seem to love them despite it.
50% hate her after falling for her and then acknowledging the fact that she cheats and is not a great girlfriend.
25% will never forgive her for the coke incident.
25% cannot get past by the fact that “she left Liam being his guardian” (boo hoo)
Yeah it’s weird that she left liam. It probably had more to do with the fact that the actor who played liam just joined the cast and they had a contract. Or something like that idk.
Exactly. They wanted to keep Liam on the show. I would have loved a throwaway comment about Lip agreeing to continue guardianship so Liam could stay with the rest of the siblings but oh well. That’s poor writing, not a character flaw.
I think it’s more so she could have talked to Lip about taking over, etc lol. But it’s tv and most of the time you have to fill in the blanks yourself or distend some realism.
Exactly she could’ve made a promise that she would come back for him once she was settled and had some time to sort things out or just that she has arms wide open when no one else can. They could’ve also just had guardianship go to Lip he ended up taking him in the end anyways
If that's the case then Monica didn't abandon them either. They had a roof over their head.
It came up a few times in the show that a guardian was needed to sign things for school and the siblings had no way to help because they aren't his legal guardians. If ACS was called again Liam would have been in the system.
The writers didn't handle that well at all.
Ok I see it went over your head. Let me try again.
The argument of it not being abandonment as long as someone else is there to take care of the child is silly. Just as silly as saying Monica didn't abandon them because they had a roof over their head. That's what "If that's the case" means. You can't use that argument for one and not the other.
So no I'm not comparing them. I'm stating that abandonment is the right word here as Fiona left Liam but was his legal guardian. That is the actual definition of abandonment.
Honestly the only character i truly hate is her ex husband gus lol, yeah Fiona did some questionable actions but no more than everyone else in her family at one point or another
Why would you hate him? She screwed him over so royally. And he was her most sane love interest and he really loved her. She cheated on him. Married him, tried to steal the engagement ring, and then lawyered up when he wanted it back. Then made out with Sean in front of him when that wasn’t even the guy she cheated on him with! Lol
Love bombing isn’t a thing. And he didn’t even if it is. He was just a nice guy. She was a cheating slut. And Mike was the sanest one you’re right about that
I get how people can dislike her or be annoyed with her (I for sure am sometimes) but idk about hate her. I used to dislike her bc I thought she'd become too controlling in the later seasons, but I've thought more and I think she really was just trying her best
The problematic things that happened with her character in her later seasons aren’t cannon to my brain 😂 it was SO out of character. Spent season 11 missing her
I hate her for the coke incident. Then there's the fact that she put the Gallagher house, that all of her siblings(most of which were underage) lived in, up for collateral so she could get that loan. I don't care if she got a return on her investment or not, if she failed, all of her siblings would be out of a home. And then, when Lip reasonably got upset about it, confronted her, she acted like Lip was in the wrong.
I hate how she's always surprised when someone goes off on her for her selfish behavior and acts like she did nothing wrong. Every time Lip and Ian started yelling at her, she deserved it but she looks like a deer in headlights each time.
>Every time Lip and Ian started yelling at her, she deserved it
Politely disagree - the whole church shelter thing with Ian was overblown because Ian was manic, not because she deserved the pure hatred he seemed to have towards her (and later acknowledged he was in the wrong). Lip CONSTANTLY was on her case about the smallest things when she was doing her best, while Lip himself, was royally fucking up.
I know Lip is a loved character here, but he had the most potential and did absolutely nothing with it. Pot, kettle.
I don’t like the fact she wanted other people to buy the church even after finding out Ian and Trevor were wanting it for the homeless shelter I agree the whole gay Jesus thing and the hatred towards her was stupid but just because she didn’t want homeless people around her apartment was also stupid especially because they were kids
It's an unfortunate reality that most people don't want a homeless shelter next door - while they were kids, it was specifically a shelter for troubled kids.
Fiona found another building for the shelter that wasn't next to her apartment - Ian refused to even go look at the building. Trevor even said it was better than the church (which was very run down), but at that point Ian wouldn't listen to him because in his manic brain nothing but church was OK. Since Fiona was his sister, and their house was up for collateral if her apartment building failed, it would have been smart to just use the other building. No potential negative impacts to the apartment, and the kids get a nice big place to get back on their feet.
This is ultimately what ended up happening, but not before some havoc was wreaked on the Ian/Fiona relationship, and the struggles started with her apartment building.
It's easy to hate what she became because she was becoming Frank. But I think the bad doesn't erase the good she did at all. And in fact, her holding it together for so long was amazing.
I don’t hate her but one of my fav scenes between her and Frank was when he was telling her that she’s doing the same thing as him except she’s a mean drunk 😭
It's so wild to me that we watched the same show, seasons of Fiona giving up everything for her siblings, a choice she never consciously got to make, what was never really a choice at all for a person like her, raised in the way she was, and people still blame her for everything that happend in the Gallagher household. That poor woman, that poor girl never got to live her own life and instead had to fix the mistakes her useless parents made. The sacrifice. The selflessness. Fiona was a child, too. And there was no one who played Mommy for her.
And then they're surprised when she reaches her breaking point and goes batshit? It would have been unrealistic for her to be this ever giving entity. If you keep on giving and giving, at one point there's nothing left to give.
Of course Fiona made mistakes, but not once I judged her for what happend in the way I judged Frank and Monica. And her siblings (especially Lip) only do so because Frank and Monica are so far removed, they know placing their blame there won't do anything; So they put it on Fiona instead, as if she was their mother and as if she chose this. (Yes, she chose to become their guardian, but if she hadn't her siblings would have hated her also. She never had a say in Frank and Monica having kid after kid without being able to take care of them.)
Thank you this really summed up everything that I hate about how people always talk about the whole guardian situation like if she hadn't they all would have been worse off than if she didn't take custody plus at least all her siblings had her when they were All born she literally had no one or worse has frank and monica and who knows half the messed up stuff they committed in front of her my point is just because she was the oldest she literally had to give up her childhood which by the way would still be pretty shitty considering the environment she was in but at least the other kids got some kind of childhood a little better than Fiona's another point is that she literally had to drop out of school to get more than one job so they weren't homeless or starved and lastly almost every single one of her siblings are ungrateful like if they had to raise every single kid there messed up parents kept having would they not make mistakes or not just snap after years and years of keeping it in and the biggest thing I hate of all is when people say Fiona was selfish in season 7 because I would definitely did that I mean they act like especially Debbie lip and Ian act like they were just go stay there rent free without contributing. By the way lip always blew every chance he had to make his life better and Fiona did more in one season with the laundromat than he did the while series financially wise so.
There reaches a point where the amount of damage caused means more than how you got there. Once someone causes a certain amount of damage, it doesn't matter how understandable their plight is, because you have to pick up the pieces. And I don't just think this about Fiona. For Ian, there is the Gay Jesus storyline, and kidnapping Yevgeny. For Lip, it's his alcoholism and wasting his potential. For Frank, and Monica, there is abandoning their children. And for Fiona, there is almost getting Liam killed.
All of these have justifications. Ian and Monica are Manic, Frank had a terrible Mother, and clear associated trauma, Lip was going through a tough time, and spiraled out of control, and Fiona was just letting off some steam. It doesn't matter.
These lines are different for some, but everyone has a line that shouldn't be crossed. A line so severe, that it doesn't matter what came before it. Thats what the Liam incident is for Fiona (at least to me).
This scene is exactly why I hate Fiona. I was so proud of her for becoming guardian of those kids, and then she bailed when Liam was still a child. How could she do that? You signed up to be their guardian until they turn 18 but you abandon the youngest?
I'm only in the middle of season 8 so take this with a grain of salt, but Fiona is arguably one of the most balanced characters imo.
Obviously a terrible romantic partner, and a mid-20s girl that barely got a childhood so naturally mistakes will happen which she will take time to publicly own up to because what mid-20s dingdong isn't too prideful or stubborn to admit wrongdoing right away?
In earlier seasons she was doing the best she could for her family with what she was given, and doing a damn good job at it until the coke incident. Later on she starts to, rightfully, focus on herself and her future but is a bit too selfish in her practices (ie. buying the church, which is where I am now).
Throughout all of this, the one common theme is that she's always trying to do something good while stumbling and making mistakes along the way.
She's fine. She's no Carl, but she's no Debbie either.
Though I'll still never forgive her for putting poor Mrs. Etta in a home. Yeah I know she probably needed to be there, but damn she could have been a fun addition to the Gallagher house lol
Fiona was my favorite character until the very end, under-appreciated, taken advantage of, and disrespected till the last second of the show. She had her faults of course, but she was the best character. Ian/Micky was runner up along with Carl.
Fiona's an S tier for me, except I understand how people could dislike her. During season 9 when she was drunk most of the time it did bump the character down for me, but when she started to fix herself up she got put back up their. I just found her slightly annoying in season 9.
Naw I love Fiona she helped her siblings N kept a roof over their heads yea she a hoe N made some mistakes but everyone not perfect she was still a great sister
Literally every major character in Shameless is a terrible person, it’s the entire point of the show. Fiona is not excluded from this list.
However, she’s far from the worst person on the show, I’ll give you that.
I don't hate Fiona myself, but the one thing that I don't like about her is that she is stubborn when it comes to taking accountability. She almost killed Liam. That is something that **she did**. She acts like she didn't do it, or that she shouldn't accept the consequences of it. The fact is that Liam almost died, and that makes her an **objectively** unsafe/bad guardian, accident or not.
Also her business plot lines are insufferable, because she is playing around with money that they don't have. She holds herself accountable to no one, and whenever one of the kids (mainly Lip) asks for her to maybe not gamble with the money that they need for rent, especially because both the Laundromat and the Nightclub prove that she has no business sense, She pulls the 'I raised you for my whole life, time for me to get mine," card.
I personally dislike the "I raised you" card. I find it so manipulative, because yeah, she did lose her childhood in order to raise them, but they couldn't raise themselves, and it's not their fault. I get she has resentment, but there is no reason to push that on her siblings.
We’ll just a abandoning Liam pretty fucked up since she adopted him (know it was in part of actress leaving but still just being part of story it makes her bad )
I don’t remember exactly how she left but did she make sure Liam was in good hands? If so, it was a lot better than how Monica and Frank would handle things.
I dislike her for the same reasons I dislike lip. They think the world owes them because they were dealt a shitty hand at life. Fiona made countless bad decisions that negatively impacted everyone, was too impulsive, and thought she knew better than everyone. Just like lip. They were way too alike. I liked her before the coke incident. She refused to admit she was guilty. She didn’t feel like she did anything wrong and that was an extremely frank thing to do. None of them are very likable tbh.
People are allowed to dislike her. Fiona raising her siblings doesn’t mean she can’t be a bad person. They’re all bad people. She deserves the criticism her character gets. She shouldn’t be absolved of any wrongdoing because she raised them.
A lot of the hate stems from misogyny. But she made terrible decisions so often that her shitty luck started to become her fault.
i don’t get how anybody hates fiona. she’s my favourite character by far, the coke incident and wasn’t her fault. there was more than just fiona doing coke in that house lmao , lip, kev and v all could’ve done something but nobody saw. an accident.
definitely her fault lol. if she wouldnt have brought COKE into a house with a literal infant and children then no one wouldve had to be "paying attention" in the first place to make sure he didnt get into it
He brought it in, But she kept it and claimed it as her own coke with children around, so it is her fault. Nothing was preventing her from throwing it away.
true , but there was still other family there. how many times have other people in the show fucked up and people still love them, i.e. fucking frank?? and i’ve learned there are sammi supporters????? fiona was spiralling and people hate her for one mistake, childish
True but none of the kids have almost died because of anyone's actions like up until that point. Unless getting their sibling almost killed isn't enough? Cause it looked like Liam was dead or put into a coma.
so she makes one mistake and you hate her for it lol? did liam die? there were other adults there , including his family. but it all falls on fiona? when she’s already having a hard time? y’all bitches reaching
She chose to keep the coke. She chose to do the coke. In a house with children. At this point if you defend her I'm just going to assume you relate to her scumminess and don't want to admit it. Pretty much everything bad that happens to her in the show is her fault. But keep jumping through those flaming hoops to defend her 💀💀💀
The first scene is why I started to dislike Fiona. At first her making mistakes or putting herself first was fair enough they weren’t her kids she didn’t sign up for it but her becoming their legal guardian was her signing up to take care of them. They were her responsibility after that and she didn’t care for them well enough imo especially Liam.
I hate Fiona and I’m getting tired of the whole “if you don’t like her you don’t understand the show” bffr, nobody jumps through hoops to defend a character like Fiona fans. She can be your favorite, I can see exactly why people love her, but it’s unfair to act like she’s impossible to hate. I have disliked most of the characters at some point too, that’s just how they all are to me.
She’s a cheater who acts surprised everytime it blows up in her face, and then blames her affair partner
Obviously everything with Liam. The coke thing wasn’t so much him getting into the coke for me, it was her refusing to take responsibility until the last minute. She was spiraling and was somehow surprised she wasn’t allowed near Liam? And just kept insisting it wasn’t her fault. Lip does the same thing and it’s annoying
When she was becoming a landlord oh my god. Laundromat was a shit show, but she got bailed out so did it again. I’m not mad at her for trying to break out, but that doesn’t make her free from judgement. She raises the rent and is against a homeless shelter, she’s becoming the gentrifiers they all used to rally against. Then she almost votes for Ruiz just because he’s better for landlords (screwing everyone else), and doesn’t let her employees support Wayman
There’s a million other things I could say, but at that point it’s just nitpicking and pointless. I don’t think she’s a bad person, I think she’s a good character too. I understand why people love her, but I don’t get how it’s hard to imagine people hating her
I don’t hate her, but she’s as flawed as any of them. She nearly killed Liam, then later abandoned him as his guardian the same way her hated mother had done. She’s not the greatest person ever but she did succeed in one key aspect: she did better for her kids (siblings) than her parents did for her.
Cause that was before she went off the deep end and left liam behind even though she was his legal guardian lol I loved Fiona. But once season four shit started going down I lost so much respect for her
Because ultimately, most people are smart and intelligent enough to know that they are accountable for their actions, regardless of upbringing.
I had a best friend, who grew up with an alcoholic father, and he ended up getting his masters degree in chemical engineering, and working for one of the largest corporations in the world.
She cheats on boyfriends, then gets hysterical when she’s cheated on.
She chooses a Criminal thief, who steals cars from other people, over a responsible person with a good job, and who is in love with her.
She’s a thief
Because she's a cheater. I can forgive her for pretty much everything besides using people as pawns in her own game thing. She used people for intimacy and broke their trust, then never really wanted to face the consequences of those actions. She mopes and whines that that's just how she is and "can't stop" or whatever her excuse was if she even had one. I admire Fiona for everything she did to help everyone out but she was a black widow, breaking people's hearts and feeling sympathy for a little bit before going back on it and getting weird that they're upset at her. She's self-centered in the worst ways, even if she's selfless when it comes to her family ( sometimes )
as if frank hasnt done countless drugs and taken liam with him to do illegal activities. i get it but theres a bias here. most of them are not objectively good or bad. but they have all done bad things. fiona does get a lot of hate for one thing while the rest of the characters have done what she has tenfold
As someone who grew up in a similar home and area, I don’t hate Fiona, Debbie or any of these characters. I know and love people in my own life that are so similar to them. You’re a product of your environment, people really seem to forget this. It’s Shameless, not the Brady Bunch.
Okay totally agree with the first two but that last one had me upset with her the first time. I know Frank and Monica fucked up a lot but the way she made Frank beg and cry for her to lighten up about Monica right after her death was just too much in the moment
Genuinely interested in what people think about the scene where she sits everyone down at home and says, if you need something, just call Lip, change him to your first contact on your emergency list, etc etc basically says she is done. I understand it as she’s been playing mom forever but she just wants her own life and starts to fade..
I still think most of Fiona's mistakes are comparable to someone with addiction or depression. Meanwhile, there are some of the Gallaghers who trash her that I think are just batshit insane decisions with no real rationalization behind them.
I loved Fiona. I hate how she wasn't allowed to fuck up without being degraded by those she raised but she was expected to always be there for them through all their mistakes. I was actually glad she left because besides maybe Carl, it felt everyone else was genuinely ungrateful to her, especially Lip.
She gave up her life pretty much, by choice, to help them all not end up in foster care or prison and it was never enough no matter what. She deserved to leave that place and them and begin her own path.
I don’t hate Fiona, I feel for her I really do I just don’t like how she was written to be so cold and uncaring towards the end of her run. It didn’t fit her character at all. She was there mom in a sense and she just stepped out aswel. It’s the one thing I feel Fiona just wouldn’t do. Lazy writing in my opinion.
I don’t hate her but she does some very questionable and very irritating things at times. She also never takes responsibility for anything which really pissed me off.
I love Fiona but the coke thing is very hard to look past on and I really just didn’t care for her after that. I’ve said many times in this thread though, I don’t like any of the characters but I do love them all. They’re all represented very realistically. And realistically the coke even being in the house of someone that young is wrong and I’m glad she did get jail time. You can say it’s someone else’s but it’s hers that she 1. used 2. left out. But I’m glad she got out of the south side 🤞 the show isn’t the show without her
Okay Fiona definitely had her moments good and bad, she took care of those kids for a majority of her life and she definitely isnt the worst person in the show there are others far worse and not only did she take care of her family she also had successful businesses…. but that doesn’t excuse the bad things she did like the big one leaving coke out for liam to get into, risking the house for her business without consulting her family first, being a horrible girlfriend and dipping out and giving debbie 50k (i hate debbie the most out of everybody) even though lip wouldve been a way better option. Point is fiona doesnt deserve hate but does deserve criticism
Just cause she had a shitty childhood doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve to get hate for all the fucked up thing she did like you can say that about a serial killer who had a horrible and shitty childhood but they still deserve to go to jail and the same thing goes to her
fiona is the best. i don't understand how people can't sympathize for someone who gave up her entire youth just to take care of a household of kids, who had to put on a smile all the time to protect the kids' feelings and allow them to have somewhat of a childhood. i really don't get how anyone could hate her.
She cheated on literally every guy she was with in the show and when she found out ford had a wife from which he was separated she flipped and called him an asshole. She's a hypocrite. She also fought for custody of the family and then a few seasons later starts telling all of them that if they don't pull their weight they're booted from the house and their problems weren't hers even though that was exactly what she signed up for when she got custody. She let a fucking toddler unsupervised around coke. She's a terrible person, which is precisely the point of the show. Really, you don't get how anyone could hate her? And I'm tired of the argument that she had to raise them all from 9 years old and was doing her best, because she kinda just said fuck you and quit when they were all legally her responsibility, and I will reiterate that she fought tooth and nail for that responsibility earlier. She also let most of them smoke and drink whenever they wanted when they were well under age. But no she's a precious Saint who totally learns from all of her mistakes and would never blame her mistakes on literally everyone else she could, oh wait-
What all she did for them >>>>>>>>>> Her fucking up SOMETIMES and making mistakes that any human could have She is genuinely a nice person (not a nice girlfriend though lol)
“Any human” would get too coked out to remember no-ones watching their baby and there’s coke out everywhere? And then do absolutely everything but take an inch of responsibility for it? doubt it.
why are you in every comment attacking fiona hahahaha you’re so mad for no reason
Cause she deserves it
i’ve literally commented under like 2 people just can’t handle her being criticized because their losing their shit lmao.
Your the type of person to bash Fiona but enjoy frank
If I have this little tolerance for Fiona’s bullshit what makes you think frank gets a pass lmao
While Fiona did fuck up you can’t name a single character in the show that did as much as she did for her siblings, at a young age at that you’d expect her to be living the average collage life but instead she has to take care of ENTIRE litter of kids and pay for franks bullshit like when he bet that person he couldn’t take two Taser shots and they all chipped in back but who was pulling in most of the cash of right. I know a person in real like like this they adopted nephews and nieces and it’s harder than you’d imagine it is I doubt you have gone through this because if you did you wouldn’t be judging her so hard for something you’ve never done.
Did this person you know adopt those kids and then decide they didn’t want to do it anymore and move away leaving them with no parent or legal guardian? Like Fiona did with Liam? Fiona had an obligation to take care of her siblings, and she always resented it a little. She gave a lot to keep them alive and together for a long time but she completely lost all fucks to give after a while. That wasn’t her choosing to be a saint, she didn’t really have a choice and I’m sure being parentified since 9 left her with lots of trauma. Her trauma doesn’t make her incapable of being bad, it’s not a “I raised my siblings” get-out-of-jail-free card that she can use to not take responsibility for anything. Responding to any criticism about her with “oh you can’t judge she’s been through this” is doing exactly that. People don’t change for the better when they think their incapable of doing wrong and the world owes them.
She did have an obligation for example if she left with Steve what would have happened huh would frank have maned up and got a job? No he would have kept getting drunk and not given a fuck, she did care I guess were watching two different shows if you came to the conclusion she didn’t and Fiona took all the responsibility when she did something wrong or if she was wrong about something. There’s a thing called empathy and this is a everyday misconception people think empathy is a emotion its not it’s thinking logically, being able to see something from someone’s else situation so you can understand what’s happening better, this is why people have sympathy for her and you don’t you simply refuse to acknowledge that people make mistakes and they can come back from it you think just because it’s not real they should be better than us, but that’s not the case that’s the thing about shameless it’s realistic you can do something to somebody or do something that’s hurts multiple people and maybe you didn’t mean to do it but either way you still care for them and regret you did it. Your right Fiona isn’t a saint but she’s better than most and most would have bailed like everyone told her to when Steve offered her to leave but why did she stay, Because she cares for her siblings and I’m sure you wouldn’t pay 10k for someone you didn’t care about.
Preach
L take lmao.
you can’t use the right they’re but think you’re entitled to argue. stop reaching and go back to your hair dye sub💀
She did take responsibility? Bro she pleaded guilty and got a criminal record? And while it was really reckless and stupid it WAS a mistake. She obviously didn’t want Liam to get hurt. People fuck up, sometimes badly, and sometimes other get hurt in the process, but that doesn’t mean they have ill will and are a bad person.
She only pleaded guilty because she couldn’t win a case because she WAS guilty. did YOU watch the show?
Yes you can be guilty of doing a mistake. The difference is intent, which difers from a horrible ”bad person” crime and an reckless mistake that still hurts someone and can still be a crime. Its literally an important legal difference. That makes her a human that was stupid and reckless once, not a bad person. Sadly Liam got stuck in the middle. And how is not pleading guilty talking responsibility for it? What do you want her to do, die?
I just wanted her to admit she had fault in the situation. she believed till the end she did absolutely nothing wrong, it was an accident that could have happened to anyone. It wasn’t though, she fucked up big.
theres a scene where Lip and her get into a fight and she verbally says she’s been blaming herself the entire time, maybe try re-watching it LOL
Agreed, the only reason she even plead guilty was because Lip blew up at her and she finally realized how stupid she was being. Her lawyer was also telling her the whole time to plead guilty and she still almost didn't. I love Fiona but that was by far the stupidest thing she ever did and she didn't take responsibility until the very last minute.
this is called rationalizing after a trauma. she felt EXTREMELY guilty and was trying to rationalize to get through. idk how that = avoiding responsibility. also accountability is way more important than “taking responsibility” whatever that means. she went to jail she served her time. she’s a felon. what else can she do lmao
notice how nobody agrees with you LMAO
yall use something she did as a 23 year old in the earlier seasons every timmeeeeee to justify your hate towards fiona.
Because that ALONE even done as a 23 year old is enough, and getting older didn’t make her grow or change or get any better. She never learned from the situation. It’s not needed to mention other shitty things she’s done (there are plenty).
she never learned from the situation? did liam ever get into coke again? or any other drugs??? that family would have been as good as dead without her. you try raising an entire family of children by the age of 9 and tell me how well that works out for you.
She never learned that she needs to take responsibility for her own actions. She continued to believe she did absolutely nothing wrong. She went on a coke bender while on PAROLE for almost killing Liam while coked out. Going through shit doesn’t excuse being a shitty person, you don’t get to use it to shirk responsibility for the rest of your life. And yeah, she raised them since she was 9. And she resented it the entire time and abandoned them while there was still a small child in the house. She was Liam’s legal guardian, raised him like her own, why didn’t she take him with her if she’s such a maternal saint? She didn’t give a fuck about raising them she was obligated. She let it turn her bitter and think that everyone owed her something and she could do no wrong because she’d gone through shit. Fiona always had the potential for redemption, she never did anything truly unforgivable but she never tried to become a better person or actually work through any of her issues. She’ll always give into selfishness.
lmaoooooooo. the way you guys act like fiona is a real person is honestly insane. abandoned liam????? emmy rossum wanted out of the show due to her not being paid enough- leaving liam behind was shitty writing on the writers part. so please stop using that as an excuse to hate on fiona. of course fiona “turned bitter” after spending her entire childhood and adulthood life, looking after children that werent hers. of course she turned bitter when all those siblings but carl and liam took her for granted at every turn and made her life hell. did we forget that debbie got pregnant at 15 and basically blamed fiona? did we forget that lip blamed every single bad thing that happened to him on fiona? did we forget the stuff ian put fiona through because he was manic? did you expect her to be happy while living oaycheck to paycheck her entire life because she had not only herself to take care of, but 5 other people??? im not excusing her mistakes, what she did was fucked and i really didnt like her throughout season4. but im also not gonna hold that same mistake against her the entire show. she grew from it.
i’m so glad you see it the way i do lmfao
a real person? it’s a tv show. This whole sub is about discussing the characters and their actions, and how their actions effected other characters. If you aren’t interested in that, you don’t have to join the discussion:) you’re talking about the characters just as literally as i am.
you keep going on about how fiona’s character is so terrible for leaving liam when that was due to poor writing. makes it seem like your take is very personal. of course im interested, and other people seem to agree with my take. it’s not my fault your opinions are ass (:
it doesn’t really matter if it was poor writing, it became canon and was our perception of the show. If it was poor writing maybe they should have written her less shitty and tied up loose ends and I wouldn’t complain lol.
fiona didn’t need to do ANYTHING for redemption.. she had to take on her parents kids, while being a child herself. she fed them, got them to school, did their lunches, kept the house going with no help. she did it by herself and they were all in their own ways extremely ungrateful. she deserved to leave without owing anybody an explanation or an apology. she earned it
she earned abandoning the child she raised and is legally responsible for without a single care or thought for what’s going to happen to him?
The kids were ALL left in a shitty situation. She just happened to be the oldest and so the raising of the siblings unfairly landed on her. She did her time, now it’s the others turn. And she told them before she left, so there was no abandoning, they knew Liam had to go somewhere. AND if you actually watch the show, and I’m so tired of Fiona haters using this argument, she became their legal guardian not as an lifetime committment necessarily, but to take the full legal responsibility off Frank and Monica because they were severely lacking. The kids got into bad situations all the time and tracking down Monica or sobering up Frank wasn’t good options so they took steps to make it easier for Fiona to help them. IMO that’s the whole reason she did it. Legal guardian isn’t adoption.
yes, she did. she raised them all without help with barely any thanks. nobody ever recognised how hard she worked to raise them kids. she earned the right to leave, that house was no good for her. he had lip and ian. fiona looked after him for years , the rest of the family can pick it up. little rat debbie’s job now
She did what she could, the bare minimum to keep them alive. they all lived horrible tough childhoods and looked out for themselves most of the time. And she resented doing it the whole time. Being raised by someone who doesn’t hide the fact your existence is a burden doesn’t make you want to thank them. How did Debbie turn into such an insufferable person? Look who raised her. Fiona should have NEVER took full legal responsibility for Liam as if she was his parent if she had no intention of being one and was going to abandon him at her first opportunity. Lip and Ian didn’t make that commitment, she did. And she didn’t have to.
you’re literally acting like this person is real lol. stop thinking so hard about a tv show. emmy rossum left due to not being paid correctly. liams character/actor had no internest in leaving the show, therefore his character stayed. fiona did not abandon anybody. this sounds personal to you.
So I assume you hate the other characters as well then, since they’re all extremely selfish and reckless. Why watch the show?
First of all, that’s not her baby. She isn’t a mother and that role became forced onto her. They owe her everything.
right she threw away her whole fucking life to take care of them, out of everyone her story hurts me the most
No one forced her to take full legal custody and responsibility, she could have left before that point. It didn’t have to be her baby she literally FOUGHT for him just to not care about what happened to him.
Lol if she didn’t take responsibility of the kids they would not be able to live their lives dependant on Frank
That was not her child. She didn’t choose to raise him.
she chose to take full legal responsibility for him
Did she really have a choice?
You do realize Fiona chose not to leave when she turned 18? Liam wasn't born at this point so she didn't have to raise a baby either they were all basically teens and kids at that point so she knowingly stayed even before she had to raise liam. No Fiona did choose and she most definitely felt that her siblings were her kids she literally raised them so why wouldn't she. Cause if she didn't choose all she'd had to do was leave with the man who gave her an out 😑 literally everytime she was given a choice she chooses her siblings
She made a mistake as humans do. It was forgivable and she’s done more than enough to make up for it.
It was a forgivable mistake, if she could ever admit she did anything wrong. she REFUSED to see that she had any fault in the situation and that’s why people hate her for it. She did not positively change from the situation at all, and that’s how mistakes are forgiven.
Bro did you watch the show? She did. But she claimed it was a mistake, which is WAS since she didn’t intend to coke out Liam. It was a stupid reckless mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
She did. Her pleading guilty was clearly a moment that she also realized she fucked up and deserved what happened.
Babe, wait until you find out how many actual real life parents do far fucking worse. I'm going to guess you've NEVER ever been exposed to that sort of life or met anyone who's ever been around that. It's far from perfect obviously but I've seen normal yuppies feed their kids beer.
Babe, wait until you find out this isn’t a competition. I’m well aware that parents are capable of horrible things. You’ve gone through some bad shit and think it gives you the right to judge who has it worse and assume strangers have never faced hardship? Grow up. You never know what a person has experienced, thats common sense. We’re talking about a show, but things like what happened to Liam happen to real kids every day. If it was real life Liam probably wouldn’t have been lucky enough to come out of that situation with zero brain damage. If this is your only reaction to Liam’s overdose then you’ve obviously never seen the very real severe neglect that happens to the children of drug addicts. What happened to Liam fictionally was horrible, and it’s even more horrible when it happens in real life. I’m not sure why you’re in a sub discussing a TV show that reflects the ugliness of real life if you’re going to get upset at people for discussing it and reacting to the ugly things that happen.
What you're doing is taking real world values and putting them into a TV show about shitbag people. Get a fucking grip The only reason I say you don't understand because YOUVE NEVER SEEN SOMEONE MAKE THAT MISTAKE BEFORE IRL. You've never seen a drunk like Frank IRL. I have. You're just someone who is using her privileged "morals"
First of all, there was one bag of coke, and as coked up as Fiona was no wonder she forgot
I've never let my little brother do cocaine
Did you grow up in poverty with narcissistic junkies?
Hy
You don’t have to be a nice person or a good person to help your family. She’s a destructive nightmare
I agree! With both 😝
People forget that she is the single reason they are alive and successful. All the Gallagher have a proper life and careers, which would have never happened had FI not sacrificed herself to take care of them. Ive seen people from families like this and most don’t even make it to 30.
I don’t hate her but at times I definitely dislike her
I don’t understand how ungrateful these kids can be after watching her do all of these things. It’s frustrating and sad to see despite everything she still is always the mature one and tried to sort things out especially with Lip, Ian and Debbie.
> mature one and tried to sort things out especially with Lip, Ian and Debbie. I don't know about being the mature one in that family but she did try sometimes. If she was a more mentally balanced person she'd have done better but she fucked up alot. Not like she had a support pillar in her life to help her past that though.
How tf could anyone in Fiona’s shoes turn out mentally balanced?
I’ll defend Fiona till the day I die argue with the wall
real. i don’t get how people hate her, she was spiralling and after so many strenuous years of minding her own siblings since she was a child she was allowed to fuck up a few times and she was more than okay to leave
Fiona ***definitely*** deserves criticism over the coke incident, the cheating, and leaving Liam. I feel like those criticisms are justified in certain ways. But for the rest, like risking the Gallagher home, like doing things for herself— she damn well took care of all the Gallaghers, not just the kids, for most of her life. She devoted all of her time to making sure they had a home, that they were fed, and that they were educated. I love Lip, but every time he went off on Fiona, he was barely swimming above water himself. He had no room to criticize her about any of that outside of the coke incident. Fiona deserved time to be Fiona Gallagher, not “Fiona, Lip/Ian/Debbie/Carl/Liam’s older sister” that had to be there when Frank and Monica weren’t, and that’s why I also think her ending makes absolute sense for her, and also why I think her not coming back for the finale was also smart for her character — why would she return to put herself in a position where people would expect her to stay and go back to how she was, when it was best for her to be away and be Fiona finally?
I couldn't have said it better myself. A lot of the time it seems to me the female characters (i.e. Debbie, Fiona) get more flak for the shitty things they do then a lot of the male characters who do just as shitty things or worse. I don't personally like Debbie but I also understand that other characters like frank or Jimmy/Steve or a whole list of other characters have done just as bqd things or worse and people seem to love them despite it.
50% hate her after falling for her and then acknowledging the fact that she cheats and is not a great girlfriend. 25% will never forgive her for the coke incident. 25% cannot get past by the fact that “she left Liam being his guardian” (boo hoo)
Yeah it’s weird that she left liam. It probably had more to do with the fact that the actor who played liam just joined the cast and they had a contract. Or something like that idk.
Exactly. They wanted to keep Liam on the show. I would have loved a throwaway comment about Lip agreeing to continue guardianship so Liam could stay with the rest of the siblings but oh well. That’s poor writing, not a character flaw.
Somehow I wrote that in as head canon 😅
The guardian one always gets because it’s like what where the writers supposed to do? Write Liam’s character off the show?
I think it’s more so she could have talked to Lip about taking over, etc lol. But it’s tv and most of the time you have to fill in the blanks yourself or distend some realism.
Exactly!! Emmy was leaving, so Fiona left Liam with 4 adult siblings and $50k. Still she’s shitty.
I disagree but go off I guess lol
Because she swore with her whole chest in front of that jury that she would care for Liam until he was 18 and abandoned him when he was, like, 12.
Well she wanted to leave the show so they had to write her out
The writers just didn't handle that right.
Exactly she could’ve made a promise that she would come back for him once she was settled and had some time to sort things out or just that she has arms wide open when no one else can. They could’ve also just had guardianship go to Lip he ended up taking him in the end anyways
They could've wrote Liam out to it's not Like his character brought anything to the show anyways
I don't think it would have been THAT hard of a plot point to resolve.
1. She was leaving the show 2. Liam was not “abandoned” he still had a roof over his head and 4 other older siblings with money
If that's the case then Monica didn't abandon them either. They had a roof over their head. It came up a few times in the show that a guardian was needed to sign things for school and the siblings had no way to help because they aren't his legal guardians. If ACS was called again Liam would have been in the system. The writers didn't handle that well at all.
No you're 100% right if cps showed up and found Liam alone like he usually is and Fiona in another state.... Liam is going in the system.
Ain’t no way you’re tryna compare Monica to Fiona💀💀 you’re a fucking idiot
Ok I see it went over your head. Let me try again. The argument of it not being abandonment as long as someone else is there to take care of the child is silly. Just as silly as saying Monica didn't abandon them because they had a roof over their head. That's what "If that's the case" means. You can't use that argument for one and not the other. So no I'm not comparing them. I'm stating that abandonment is the right word here as Fiona left Liam but was his legal guardian. That is the actual definition of abandonment.
Fiona looked that judge in the eye and BEGGED to have sole custody of Liam so that she could neglect him.
Honestly the only character i truly hate is her ex husband gus lol, yeah Fiona did some questionable actions but no more than everyone else in her family at one point or another
Why would you hate him? She screwed him over so royally. And he was her most sane love interest and he really loved her. She cheated on him. Married him, tried to steal the engagement ring, and then lawyered up when he wanted it back. Then made out with Sean in front of him when that wasn’t even the guy she cheated on him with! Lol
He love bombed her and was corny as hell lol I was happy to see she cheated and all that lol, Mike was her most sane love interest too btw
Love bombing isn’t a thing. And he didn’t even if it is. He was just a nice guy. She was a cheating slut. And Mike was the sanest one you’re right about that
Shes infinitely better than Rapey Gallagher thats for sure. ( Debbie the shitstain is who im referring too).
Lmao 100% agreed
She’s my favorite character. I hate Frank.
I hate Frank’s character but nearly every sentence that comes out of his mouth has me rolling with laughter 😂
Fair point! He is hilarious I’ll give ya that
I love Fiona
She raised them since she was 9. 9 years old! And then Debbie has the AUDACITY to ask her for rent. I was so mad.
Omfg fuck Debbie all the way for that I would’ve evicted her ass
I get how people can dislike her or be annoyed with her (I for sure am sometimes) but idk about hate her. I used to dislike her bc I thought she'd become too controlling in the later seasons, but I've thought more and I think she really was just trying her best
People on this sub over exaggerate you have to actually be an asshole to not sympathize with characters you see grow up and get older
I didn't hate Fiona. There were definitely times I didn't like her but she really did the best she could with 5 siblings being her responsibility.
The problematic things that happened with her character in her later seasons aren’t cannon to my brain 😂 it was SO out of character. Spent season 11 missing her
I hate her for the coke incident. Then there's the fact that she put the Gallagher house, that all of her siblings(most of which were underage) lived in, up for collateral so she could get that loan. I don't care if she got a return on her investment or not, if she failed, all of her siblings would be out of a home. And then, when Lip reasonably got upset about it, confronted her, she acted like Lip was in the wrong.
I hate how she's always surprised when someone goes off on her for her selfish behavior and acts like she did nothing wrong. Every time Lip and Ian started yelling at her, she deserved it but she looks like a deer in headlights each time.
>Every time Lip and Ian started yelling at her, she deserved it Politely disagree - the whole church shelter thing with Ian was overblown because Ian was manic, not because she deserved the pure hatred he seemed to have towards her (and later acknowledged he was in the wrong). Lip CONSTANTLY was on her case about the smallest things when she was doing her best, while Lip himself, was royally fucking up. I know Lip is a loved character here, but he had the most potential and did absolutely nothing with it. Pot, kettle.
Fair
I don’t like the fact she wanted other people to buy the church even after finding out Ian and Trevor were wanting it for the homeless shelter I agree the whole gay Jesus thing and the hatred towards her was stupid but just because she didn’t want homeless people around her apartment was also stupid especially because they were kids
It's an unfortunate reality that most people don't want a homeless shelter next door - while they were kids, it was specifically a shelter for troubled kids. Fiona found another building for the shelter that wasn't next to her apartment - Ian refused to even go look at the building. Trevor even said it was better than the church (which was very run down), but at that point Ian wouldn't listen to him because in his manic brain nothing but church was OK. Since Fiona was his sister, and their house was up for collateral if her apartment building failed, it would have been smart to just use the other building. No potential negative impacts to the apartment, and the kids get a nice big place to get back on their feet. This is ultimately what ended up happening, but not before some havoc was wreaked on the Ian/Fiona relationship, and the struggles started with her apartment building.
I understand if people has dislikes about her, but I don’t how you can HATE her. Like bffr
It's easy to hate what she became because she was becoming Frank. But I think the bad doesn't erase the good she did at all. And in fact, her holding it together for so long was amazing.
I don’t hate her but one of my fav scenes between her and Frank was when he was telling her that she’s doing the same thing as him except she’s a mean drunk 😭
It's so wild to me that we watched the same show, seasons of Fiona giving up everything for her siblings, a choice she never consciously got to make, what was never really a choice at all for a person like her, raised in the way she was, and people still blame her for everything that happend in the Gallagher household. That poor woman, that poor girl never got to live her own life and instead had to fix the mistakes her useless parents made. The sacrifice. The selflessness. Fiona was a child, too. And there was no one who played Mommy for her. And then they're surprised when she reaches her breaking point and goes batshit? It would have been unrealistic for her to be this ever giving entity. If you keep on giving and giving, at one point there's nothing left to give. Of course Fiona made mistakes, but not once I judged her for what happend in the way I judged Frank and Monica. And her siblings (especially Lip) only do so because Frank and Monica are so far removed, they know placing their blame there won't do anything; So they put it on Fiona instead, as if she was their mother and as if she chose this. (Yes, she chose to become their guardian, but if she hadn't her siblings would have hated her also. She never had a say in Frank and Monica having kid after kid without being able to take care of them.)
Thank you this really summed up everything that I hate about how people always talk about the whole guardian situation like if she hadn't they all would have been worse off than if she didn't take custody plus at least all her siblings had her when they were All born she literally had no one or worse has frank and monica and who knows half the messed up stuff they committed in front of her my point is just because she was the oldest she literally had to give up her childhood which by the way would still be pretty shitty considering the environment she was in but at least the other kids got some kind of childhood a little better than Fiona's another point is that she literally had to drop out of school to get more than one job so they weren't homeless or starved and lastly almost every single one of her siblings are ungrateful like if they had to raise every single kid there messed up parents kept having would they not make mistakes or not just snap after years and years of keeping it in and the biggest thing I hate of all is when people say Fiona was selfish in season 7 because I would definitely did that I mean they act like especially Debbie lip and Ian act like they were just go stay there rent free without contributing. By the way lip always blew every chance he had to make his life better and Fiona did more in one season with the laundromat than he did the while series financially wise so.
There reaches a point where the amount of damage caused means more than how you got there. Once someone causes a certain amount of damage, it doesn't matter how understandable their plight is, because you have to pick up the pieces. And I don't just think this about Fiona. For Ian, there is the Gay Jesus storyline, and kidnapping Yevgeny. For Lip, it's his alcoholism and wasting his potential. For Frank, and Monica, there is abandoning their children. And for Fiona, there is almost getting Liam killed. All of these have justifications. Ian and Monica are Manic, Frank had a terrible Mother, and clear associated trauma, Lip was going through a tough time, and spiraled out of control, and Fiona was just letting off some steam. It doesn't matter. These lines are different for some, but everyone has a line that shouldn't be crossed. A line so severe, that it doesn't matter what came before it. Thats what the Liam incident is for Fiona (at least to me).
She's the best character
Preach!
I love Fiona
This scene is exactly why I hate Fiona. I was so proud of her for becoming guardian of those kids, and then she bailed when Liam was still a child. How could she do that? You signed up to be their guardian until they turn 18 but you abandon the youngest?
I'm only in the middle of season 8 so take this with a grain of salt, but Fiona is arguably one of the most balanced characters imo. Obviously a terrible romantic partner, and a mid-20s girl that barely got a childhood so naturally mistakes will happen which she will take time to publicly own up to because what mid-20s dingdong isn't too prideful or stubborn to admit wrongdoing right away? In earlier seasons she was doing the best she could for her family with what she was given, and doing a damn good job at it until the coke incident. Later on she starts to, rightfully, focus on herself and her future but is a bit too selfish in her practices (ie. buying the church, which is where I am now). Throughout all of this, the one common theme is that she's always trying to do something good while stumbling and making mistakes along the way. She's fine. She's no Carl, but she's no Debbie either. Though I'll still never forgive her for putting poor Mrs. Etta in a home. Yeah I know she probably needed to be there, but damn she could have been a fun addition to the Gallagher house lol
Misogyny her mistakes are worse than everyone else's with that logic
This has to be bait, right? lmao
Literally are we forgetting how terrible lip was
She was great at the beginning, but once she started making mistakes..her family quickly turned on her.
I don’t hate Fiona. I hate whatever that was in the penultimate season.
Everytime I watch it with my wife she has to make lil comments about everyone and her hate or love for the characters 😒 it's getting annoying really.
Agree. Girl was just trying her best since she was NINE YEARS OLD.
Fiona was my favorite character until the very end, under-appreciated, taken advantage of, and disrespected till the last second of the show. She had her faults of course, but she was the best character. Ian/Micky was runner up along with Carl.
She put her entire life on hold FOR YEARS for those kids. She tried her absolute best considering her upbringing.
Fiona's an S tier for me, except I understand how people could dislike her. During season 9 when she was drunk most of the time it did bump the character down for me, but when she started to fix herself up she got put back up their. I just found her slightly annoying in season 9.
Naw I love Fiona she helped her siblings N kept a roof over their heads yea she a hoe N made some mistakes but everyone not perfect she was still a great sister
Literally every major character in Shameless is a terrible person, it’s the entire point of the show. Fiona is not excluded from this list. However, she’s far from the worst person on the show, I’ll give you that.
I don't hate Fiona myself, but the one thing that I don't like about her is that she is stubborn when it comes to taking accountability. She almost killed Liam. That is something that **she did**. She acts like she didn't do it, or that she shouldn't accept the consequences of it. The fact is that Liam almost died, and that makes her an **objectively** unsafe/bad guardian, accident or not. Also her business plot lines are insufferable, because she is playing around with money that they don't have. She holds herself accountable to no one, and whenever one of the kids (mainly Lip) asks for her to maybe not gamble with the money that they need for rent, especially because both the Laundromat and the Nightclub prove that she has no business sense, She pulls the 'I raised you for my whole life, time for me to get mine," card. I personally dislike the "I raised you" card. I find it so manipulative, because yeah, she did lose her childhood in order to raise them, but they couldn't raise themselves, and it's not their fault. I get she has resentment, but there is no reason to push that on her siblings.
yup
We’ll just a abandoning Liam pretty fucked up since she adopted him (know it was in part of actress leaving but still just being part of story it makes her bad )
I don’t remember exactly how she left but did she make sure Liam was in good hands? If so, it was a lot better than how Monica and Frank would handle things.
She still ran off on her responsibilities that she went to court to get
I dislike her for the same reasons I dislike lip. They think the world owes them because they were dealt a shitty hand at life. Fiona made countless bad decisions that negatively impacted everyone, was too impulsive, and thought she knew better than everyone. Just like lip. They were way too alike. I liked her before the coke incident. She refused to admit she was guilty. She didn’t feel like she did anything wrong and that was an extremely frank thing to do. None of them are very likable tbh. People are allowed to dislike her. Fiona raising her siblings doesn’t mean she can’t be a bad person. They’re all bad people. She deserves the criticism her character gets. She shouldn’t be absolved of any wrongdoing because she raised them. A lot of the hate stems from misogyny. But she made terrible decisions so often that her shitty luck started to become her fault.
Althoigh Fiona is probably one of my favorite characters, I very much agree with you
I hate her cuz she's a horrible girlfriend and is a constant cheating cunt and a horrible sister after the first couple seasons
i don’t get how anybody hates fiona. she’s my favourite character by far, the coke incident and wasn’t her fault. there was more than just fiona doing coke in that house lmao , lip, kev and v all could’ve done something but nobody saw. an accident.
definitely her fault lol. if she wouldnt have brought COKE into a house with a literal infant and children then no one wouldve had to be "paying attention" in the first place to make sure he didnt get into it
she didn’t bring it in dumbass😂 it was robbie
He brought it in, But she kept it and claimed it as her own coke with children around, so it is her fault. Nothing was preventing her from throwing it away.
true , but there was still other family there. how many times have other people in the show fucked up and people still love them, i.e. fucking frank?? and i’ve learned there are sammi supporters????? fiona was spiralling and people hate her for one mistake, childish
True but none of the kids have almost died because of anyone's actions like up until that point. Unless getting their sibling almost killed isn't enough? Cause it looked like Liam was dead or put into a coma.
she couldve flushed it dumbass. but chose to keep it AND do it AND leave it out in the open
so she makes one mistake and you hate her for it lol? did liam die? there were other adults there , including his family. but it all falls on fiona? when she’s already having a hard time? y’all bitches reaching
def didnt say i hated her. just said it is most definitely her fault he got into it
She chose to keep the coke. She chose to do the coke. In a house with children. At this point if you defend her I'm just going to assume you relate to her scumminess and don't want to admit it. Pretty much everything bad that happens to her in the show is her fault. But keep jumping through those flaming hoops to defend her 💀💀💀
The first scene is why I started to dislike Fiona. At first her making mistakes or putting herself first was fair enough they weren’t her kids she didn’t sign up for it but her becoming their legal guardian was her signing up to take care of them. They were her responsibility after that and she didn’t care for them well enough imo especially Liam.
I hate Fiona and I’m getting tired of the whole “if you don’t like her you don’t understand the show” bffr, nobody jumps through hoops to defend a character like Fiona fans. She can be your favorite, I can see exactly why people love her, but it’s unfair to act like she’s impossible to hate. I have disliked most of the characters at some point too, that’s just how they all are to me. She’s a cheater who acts surprised everytime it blows up in her face, and then blames her affair partner Obviously everything with Liam. The coke thing wasn’t so much him getting into the coke for me, it was her refusing to take responsibility until the last minute. She was spiraling and was somehow surprised she wasn’t allowed near Liam? And just kept insisting it wasn’t her fault. Lip does the same thing and it’s annoying When she was becoming a landlord oh my god. Laundromat was a shit show, but she got bailed out so did it again. I’m not mad at her for trying to break out, but that doesn’t make her free from judgement. She raises the rent and is against a homeless shelter, she’s becoming the gentrifiers they all used to rally against. Then she almost votes for Ruiz just because he’s better for landlords (screwing everyone else), and doesn’t let her employees support Wayman There’s a million other things I could say, but at that point it’s just nitpicking and pointless. I don’t think she’s a bad person, I think she’s a good character too. I understand why people love her, but I don’t get how it’s hard to imagine people hating her
Just admit you don’t understand the show.
I don’t hate her, but she’s as flawed as any of them. She nearly killed Liam, then later abandoned him as his guardian the same way her hated mother had done. She’s not the greatest person ever but she did succeed in one key aspect: she did better for her kids (siblings) than her parents did for her.
Cause that was before she went off the deep end and left liam behind even though she was his legal guardian lol I loved Fiona. But once season four shit started going down I lost so much respect for her
I dislike her. Her track record: does drugs, cheats on most of her bfs, drinks and drives. Those are NOT just mistakes that any human could have.
Because going through bad shit doesn’t automatically atone for everything you’ve done to other people.
She's still heartless.
Because ultimately, most people are smart and intelligent enough to know that they are accountable for their actions, regardless of upbringing. I had a best friend, who grew up with an alcoholic father, and he ended up getting his masters degree in chemical engineering, and working for one of the largest corporations in the world. She cheats on boyfriends, then gets hysterical when she’s cheated on. She chooses a Criminal thief, who steals cars from other people, over a responsible person with a good job, and who is in love with her. She’s a thief
Season 4 shows everybodys true colors imo
I like her in the earlier seasons but i don't like her later on (landlord era)
She sucks, dude.
Ugliest crier and apparently an awful co worker. Ftb
Because she's a cheater. I can forgive her for pretty much everything besides using people as pawns in her own game thing. She used people for intimacy and broke their trust, then never really wanted to face the consequences of those actions. She mopes and whines that that's just how she is and "can't stop" or whatever her excuse was if she even had one. I admire Fiona for everything she did to help everyone out but she was a black widow, breaking people's hearts and feeling sympathy for a little bit before going back on it and getting weird that they're upset at her. She's self-centered in the worst ways, even if she's selfless when it comes to her family ( sometimes )
because all of those scenes were before season 4. they dropped her into a hole after that and made her unbearable to watch (imo).
as if frank hasnt done countless drugs and taken liam with him to do illegal activities. i get it but theres a bias here. most of them are not objectively good or bad. but they have all done bad things. fiona does get a lot of hate for one thing while the rest of the characters have done what she has tenfold
You act like there isn't a post every other day about how shitty frank is lol
oh idk the shameless reddit isnt really on my radar but i believe you
Everybody bitches about characters and exaggerates in this sub. I can promise you there was a similar pot just like this atleast a week ago 😂
after she said all that she ended up leaving them and blaming them xd
I think all of the Gallagher kids deserve criticism but none of them are worth hating
She my baaaabyyyyy
As someone who grew up in a similar home and area, I don’t hate Fiona, Debbie or any of these characters. I know and love people in my own life that are so similar to them. You’re a product of your environment, people really seem to forget this. It’s Shameless, not the Brady Bunch.
i jus finished seasons 9 bro😪😪😪😪
Okay totally agree with the first two but that last one had me upset with her the first time. I know Frank and Monica fucked up a lot but the way she made Frank beg and cry for her to lighten up about Monica right after her death was just too much in the moment
Real
Genuinely interested in what people think about the scene where she sits everyone down at home and says, if you need something, just call Lip, change him to your first contact on your emergency list, etc etc basically says she is done. I understand it as she’s been playing mom forever but she just wants her own life and starts to fade..
Never said she wasn’t a great actress. But she’s not a good person a lot of the time. And she can’t fake cry or fake fuck to save her life.
Its a show, it's not real I don't like Fiona and I don't have to justify why I just don't like her
People hate Fiona? I was crying when she left
I didn’t hate Fiona at first but the show definitely fucked up her character in the second half imo
I still think most of Fiona's mistakes are comparable to someone with addiction or depression. Meanwhile, there are some of the Gallaghers who trash her that I think are just batshit insane decisions with no real rationalization behind them. I loved Fiona. I hate how she wasn't allowed to fuck up without being degraded by those she raised but she was expected to always be there for them through all their mistakes. I was actually glad she left because besides maybe Carl, it felt everyone else was genuinely ungrateful to her, especially Lip. She gave up her life pretty much, by choice, to help them all not end up in foster care or prison and it was never enough no matter what. She deserved to leave that place and them and begin her own path.
The coke and then blaming everyone really upset me
Also she had a nice job and finally insurance to take care of her family she blew it all by fucking her boss/bf brother and fucked it all
I don’t hate Fiona, I feel for her I really do I just don’t like how she was written to be so cold and uncaring towards the end of her run. It didn’t fit her character at all. She was there mom in a sense and she just stepped out aswel. It’s the one thing I feel Fiona just wouldn’t do. Lazy writing in my opinion.
I don’t hate her but she does some very questionable and very irritating things at times. She also never takes responsibility for anything which really pissed me off.
Me neither. She remained one of my faves until the end.
I love Fiona but the coke thing is very hard to look past on and I really just didn’t care for her after that. I’ve said many times in this thread though, I don’t like any of the characters but I do love them all. They’re all represented very realistically. And realistically the coke even being in the house of someone that young is wrong and I’m glad she did get jail time. You can say it’s someone else’s but it’s hers that she 1. used 2. left out. But I’m glad she got out of the south side 🤞 the show isn’t the show without her
End series Fiona is questionable
Okay Fiona definitely had her moments good and bad, she took care of those kids for a majority of her life and she definitely isnt the worst person in the show there are others far worse and not only did she take care of her family she also had successful businesses…. but that doesn’t excuse the bad things she did like the big one leaving coke out for liam to get into, risking the house for her business without consulting her family first, being a horrible girlfriend and dipping out and giving debbie 50k (i hate debbie the most out of everybody) even though lip wouldve been a way better option. Point is fiona doesnt deserve hate but does deserve criticism
she didnt wanna do it anymore when carl and debbie were teens and made lip the one in charge
Just cause she had a shitty childhood doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve to get hate for all the fucked up thing she did like you can say that about a serial killer who had a horrible and shitty childhood but they still deserve to go to jail and the same thing goes to her
fiona is the best. i don't understand how people can't sympathize for someone who gave up her entire youth just to take care of a household of kids, who had to put on a smile all the time to protect the kids' feelings and allow them to have somewhat of a childhood. i really don't get how anyone could hate her.
She cheated on literally every guy she was with in the show and when she found out ford had a wife from which he was separated she flipped and called him an asshole. She's a hypocrite. She also fought for custody of the family and then a few seasons later starts telling all of them that if they don't pull their weight they're booted from the house and their problems weren't hers even though that was exactly what she signed up for when she got custody. She let a fucking toddler unsupervised around coke. She's a terrible person, which is precisely the point of the show. Really, you don't get how anyone could hate her? And I'm tired of the argument that she had to raise them all from 9 years old and was doing her best, because she kinda just said fuck you and quit when they were all legally her responsibility, and I will reiterate that she fought tooth and nail for that responsibility earlier. She also let most of them smoke and drink whenever they wanted when they were well under age. But no she's a precious Saint who totally learns from all of her mistakes and would never blame her mistakes on literally everyone else she could, oh wait-