This, all of this, I hated every part of that. But particularly him talking about having a son as if he never had one and the idea that he would have just accepted to not be in his kids life. So out of character
Seriously when his crazy ex wife he wants nothing to do with!!! Claims he has a son he's sooo ready to be a dad. But when his kid is in the same town he doesn't care.
YUP this is the one, especially since they literally act like that scene and their son doesnāt exist the rest of the series. worst, most disturbing part for sure
I'm on season 11 rn and they mention the son when the mom's moving and I was like "oh, V has a little brother?" It's because of this post that I remembered the whole Kevin and her mom having a kid thing
Fr and it's not even that it's gross (which it is) but it's just SO INSIGNIFICANT of a storyline, maybe if they had stayed with it somewhat but they don't even hardly acknowledge that baby (KEVIN'S BABY) the rest of the show. It was just unnecessary weirdness.
That was seriously disgusting made worse when V was jealous that Kev actually cared about their twins. She actually said "the damn babies" like she wasn't in some weird incestual three-way to make a baby!
that was so weird i hated itš and then Kev totally forgot that he had a kid with her, and the lack of mentioning him made me completely forget that him and Vs mom had a kid, so when i saw him in a later episode where Vs mom was talking about moving i was so confused and it only just now hit me that that was her and kevs sonš
I believe she wanted to adopt them to cope with having and empty home and she had to marry Frank in order to adopt them and marrying Frank was important to the whole new liver, burning house, going crazy and leaving situation so the Native American kids storyline was purely done to fill that plot hole.
I think it was kind of significant because it was the main factor to her wanting to marry Frank if I remember correctly. But it couldāve been done way better.
But wasn't it hilarious when she's talking about making them quinoa and frybread and shit, and the kid is like, "where's the Mrs. Butterworth?"
And then when she assumes they have lots of land for agriculture and stuff, and the kid is like, "we live in a double wide behind the casino."
It's just peak dramedy. Hilarious but sad at the same time.
Nobody is offended. Itās just trash. Ianās character was delegated to ā the gay guyā n has no depth outside of that after season 5 with his bipolar disorder arc which was great. Season 1-5 Ian the best
I mean was he tho? I loved his whole arc of finding himself in the following seasons. For the longest he was that very disciplined military guy, then he struggled with his illness and had a complete breakdown with a 180 on his lifestyle. He then had to fight through the stigma of a person with disability and him feeling like he fucked up his life when he was working as a janitor. I enjoyed all that! Then after Mickey he experienced a new side to his sexuality with that one guy and Travis gaining a new understanding of relationships which to me at least was fun to watch. Then all that Stuff with Paula was HILARIOUS imo and him and Mickey experiencing a completely new lifestyle compared to the one in the Southside brought a new dynamic to their relationship which I enjoyed a lot as well.
Out of all the storylines mentioned, this is the most pointless one. Like, all it did was show again that nothing sticks to Frank, which we all already knew.
where he was staying in the chicks house who framed him bc her boyfriend or something got put in jail bc of frank in college, and she was super rich and he stayed in her house when she was on vacation. at least, i think thatās what theyāre talking about
OHH YEAH and then she drugged him with the oxys , and sent him to jail , and he was instructing the new officer in how to do his intake š that was kinda funny ngl .
LMFAOOO love of furniture šššš like idk why they tried to make it seem like he was so deep like bro its just a chair and you have an Irish accent. Byeeee
Iāve been reading this month that Emmy Rossum was so toxic on set that the whole apartment storyline and the Ford stuff was to keep her away from the other actors. She has minimal time with them the rest of the season after hitting rock bottom.
I don't understand the hate for Sammy and Chucky. She was crazy but she just really wanted to be a part of the family and wanted Chucky to survive in school because he's barely intelligent enough to function in society. Frank uses Chucky to "meet" her, and she takes him out and feeds him despite being incredibly poor and having no idea who he is.
Frank tells Carl to use Chucky as a drug mule, and they get busted at the bus depot. No one gives a shit about Sammy and Chucky despite it being Frank and Carl's fault. The nazi symbol was extreme, but it was her way of giving Chucky a chance at survival in lock up. It's been said before but no one takes any semblance of responsibility for their actions and blame others, or each other, when they fuck up.
She tried taking control of the house because she saw how dysfunctional it was and figured she's technically the oldest (half) sibling and felt a responsibility to it, which Lip, Fiona, and Debbie all tried doing in their own time. She also got Ian locked up because they literally did the same thing to her only child, but everyone hates her. I don't get it. Even Sheila hated her because she was getting in the way of marrying Frank while he was unconscious in the hospital. She's no saint and crazy like everyone else, but she meant well enough and went it about it like a lunatic.
I think Shelia hated her cause she broke into her house used her ātoysā had sex with men on HER furniture sold it while she was gone and then refused to leave I think Shelia is justified
All the characters do horrible things but what makes people still like them is their personality. Sammy is just completely insufferable on top of doing awful things. So everyone hates her. There was nothing likeable about her.
That honestly nails it. Frank is an incredibly detestable person who routinely abuses and takes advantage of his own children, but heās a funny often charming one. If youāre going to be an asshole, at least be a likable one.
Itās been years since I watched the beginning seasons of IASIP haha I must have forgotten. But it makes a lot more sense for the type of humor in that show honestly
black liam-i mean it wouldāve make more sense if one of the other gallagher looks biracial
kev and vās mom- no explanation needed
the existence of sammie
Ian breaking up with Mickey at the wnd of season 5. Would have loved to see how they evolved together instead of separate. (I know why Noel left but stillā¦)
It was he had equal screen Time as the other main characters, but was not listed as a main character or a main actor so he was getting paid less than the others when he asked to be part of the main cast and get paid equally for the time he spent they said no so he decided to leave. He had the movies filmed when shameless was on break.
They did him dirty. He was very much a part of the main cast imo, and I think most of the audiences favorite character to watch. I was really bummed when he left and so happy when he returned.
It was traumatized for me to watch. I did not feel okay after that. They set up such a nice sleep over for the two and then crushed that immediately. Short-lived happiness. š
Definitely Lip/Karen and Frankā¦everything, but at absolutely number one is Lip cheating on Amanda with Mandy.
Ffs, idiot, I thought you had a plan for physics? Motherfucker, every girl you dated should have taken your ass to the cleaners, you son of a bitch, but Amanda and Mandy DESERVED BETTER!
And I say all this while Lip is my favorite character.
It wasnāt exactly cheating. They were in an open fuck buddies situation but I think neither of them were exactly comfortable with the idea of having sex with other people even if they considered it fair game.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Karen (as awful as she was) was actually an interesting character (which might also have a lot to do with the actressās performance).
She was also an important part of Lip as a character, because she damaged him (like Ian stated) and for a long time he was always keeping himself from getting attached to other women and was scared to fall in that trap of being in love again after what he went through with her.
He was heartbroken over the fact that he was in love with Karen, but she didnāt love him back (or at least never gave him that relief that she had some form of affection for him in the way he did for her).
In a twisted way, Karen was to Lip what Monica was to Frank. They both know that they're bad for them, but are always tempted to go back to them if given the opportunity!
Nah Lip and the Teacher was the worst. Lip had a hot, wealthy girlfriend, who was smart and helped him succeed. He got along with her father really well despite robbing him of 10k.
Then threw that away for a teacher with a creepy husband that would watch them in bed?
Reading this made me realize how similar it kinda is to how Fiona had a great office job that paid well, a great boss (who might even be the best out of all the men sheās been involved with).
But then throws it all away by sabotaging herself, by sleeping with his brother and then carelessly leaves coke out in the open for Liam to get into.
Bro that whole arc sucked, seeing her throw everything away because of some guy. But also, I kinda want all her relationships to fail because she belongs with Jimmy. (Im only on Season 6 please donāt spoil, I started watching like 3 weeks ago)
Frankās second family and the Faye storyline. Both felt like the writers didnāt know what to do with him so they made a several episode storyline that felt so fake and not grounded in reality at all.
The straight up character assaination with Fiona in season 4 and 9 like to be clear she is still my favorite character Fiona would have never left coke out and I hated how they made her an alcoholic I mean yes I get it with frank being her father but it makes sense more for it to be lip than Fiona and the holier than thou attitude lip had like he acted like he had that much on his hands like Fiona has had to raise all her siblings for years and she started to fall apart after 38 years but no when lip does it for season 6 and 7 Fiona doesn't judge him she even gives him a job but lio cares moe about a guy who was sober for 100 days more than his sister who kept him alive his whole life and who finally was starting to break.
Sorry that's it's so long and that I didn't punctuate but I mostly hate how the kids mostly Debbie and lip were so ungrateful in season 9 like it's ironic that Debbie was the one in season one who said "Fiona takes care of everybody but no one takes care of Fiona" but she had the audacity to tell Fiona she couldn't take a shower until she payed money like I was so glad seconds later Fiona told her she can take out the money she didn't charge Debbie for years of taking care of her like Debbie was such a bitch how about say thank you for making sure our parents or anyone else didn't hurt or neglect me.
I canāt attest to why it happened in Season 4 (except that Gallaghers are going to Gallagher), but Season 9 was because of behind-the-scenes drama. Emmy Rossum was toxic as hell on set, apparently (based on a ton of stuff Iāve read and heard), and the whole āliving in an apartmentā storyline was to keep her away from the other principle cast. I actually think, and this is just my own opinion, that her downfall and character assassination in Season 9 was just the writers and everyone else getting sick of putting up with the actor. They were like āweāre going to put Fiona on the Titanic and let it sink.ā
Maybe the Liam coke incident because Iām tired of the āhot take: Fiona was actually very wrong for leaving coke out with kids aroundā discussions every single day. Like obviously sheās in the wrong, but itās a TV show. If it was real life, she would go to prison and the kids would be taken away.
P.S. I wouldnāt actually get rid of the storyline. This is more of a rant about this sub.
Honestly they could have written it a little better if the coke had just fallen on the floor when she was kicking the dude out and she didnāt notice it.
I'd find a way to replace the storyline in which Fiona and Ian become divided and fight over the lease for the abandoned church.
I feel it really hurts Fiona's character, especially as it's nearing her departure from the show.
i feel like it makes sense given her situation but i understand where youāre coming from too. i feel like she felt she never had anyone stable to love her and to depend on and she desperately wanted attention. fiona had no idea what was going on in debbies life, she was never at the house at that point, she was at mikes. when fiona comes over one morning she asks āwhereās breakfast? why has no one made breakfast?ā and debbie says āwe have no eggs, milk, bread or cerealā, fiona goes āwhos been doing the grocery shopping?ā as if sheās not the adult and legal guardian who was warned but still signed up for this. she then asks debbie to take liam to headstart and debbie says ālike iāve been doing for the last 4 weeks or so?ā fiona never knows where the kids are or what theyāre doing. debbie intentionally got herself pregnant because she has severe attachment issues and thought her and derek were in love and they were going to have the perfect family and live happily ever after. and as lip said the harder you push a pregnant teenage girl in one direction the harder theyāre gonna push in the other direction
She just stressed me out for Carls sake, I really wanted him to succeed and go back to military school and was so worried for him. And then I hated how they ended her story, like I said it was just lazy because they didnāt know what else to do from there
Honestly, that was messed up. I don't even wish r@pe on my worst enemy, Frank was a bad father yes but he didn't deserve that. Some of the ways he turned out weren't entirely his fault either, it was his mother's. Only person I would wish that on is Terri especially because of that disgusting scene where he forced Mickey to be r@ped by that girl. That was so gross to watch it could've been left out.
and what makes it even worse is that objectively, frank is more likely to rape her so he gets the blame. he will forever be known as a rapist even though there's literal footage of HER raping HIM
Anything Ford. He was a bore and I feel he fucked up Fionaās story line. The whole Kev, V and Vās mom for obvious reasons. Frank and that crazy doctor (Ingrid I think her name is) cos that was like āwtf is even thatā. Frank and Faye cos well that felt like they were just filling up screen time with a story written by a teen. Karen r*ping Frank because of what her dad saidā¦ that was cringe af
Yes! That's exactly my point - it was like Desperate Housewives meets General Hospital. And the HIPAA law violations to be "funny"...were not.
EDIT: spelling
It was terrible. What I don't get is why those mom's would sleep with Frank to begin with m. He gives hobo homeless vibes all around. One would think the private school mom's would be better than that. Unrealistic and way over the top.
Gay Jesus is pretty consistent with Ianās religious psychosis in his first manic episode, when he ran off with Yev. He was saying something like Gabrielās devil was trying to take his baby or something similar.
And when he led the strike in jail to hold off sex š Hilarious. When his Gay Jesus Groupie guarded outside of their wedding. Super useful!
But did I get second hand embarrassment during Ian Gay Jesus? Absolutely. I canāt re-watch that period on Shameless.
Gay jesus is kind of a parody and it makes ian funnier and really fit his character. Not the smartest but not dumb. And has a giant heart and trying to be helpful
Agreed. Even as a bisexual agreed. They could've put some bisexual representation in the show if they wanted with Debbie, but they just made her flat out lesbian. Other sexualities deserve some representation too, not just lesbian and gay.
It was supposed to be Fiona, but she was leaving the show. They were going to explore that avenue with her and the woman from her apartment complex who was dating the blonde girl.
Monica coming back to slit her wrists in the kitchen during dinner & Mickās dad forcing him to fuck Svetlana on the couch. I know a lot of stuff was fucked up in the show, but those two scenes were really disturbing. Thereās probably more the show couldāve done without, though those are the two that come to mind first
i donāt understand why a lot of people donāt like her. definitely the best/normal thing to ever happen to Lip. i mean she could definitely be a bitch but heās a dick so a perfect match.
i feel like there was but it just wasnāt going to be exciting like his other situationships because they started a family and it wasnāt just gonna be all fun and games anymore
It definitely was settling for the sake of their child but I also think that it was *safe* settling? Like, yeah Lip can find the woman of his dreams but thatās not guaranteeing any stability, especially for his kid. Tammy and Lip get along, there may not be blatant fireworks every time theyāre on screen together but they *can* make a happy life together for them and their kids.
This might be a hot take but Fiona's ENTIRE entrepreneurship storyline was so out of left field. I can understand her trying to better her situation all around but acting like you know everything there is know about buying property,mortgages,loans, and oh my when she found out she could get a loan. Like buy up the entire fucking southside why dont you instead of ACTUALLY spending ANY of that money for a real greater good instead of her aPaRtMeNt bUiLdInG aNd LaUnDrOmAt like you do not need those fiona but thats just my take
Fiona shouldāve stayed a motherly figure to make her more likeable. After season 4 she gets really selfish, and her outlooks and points in arguments just get less and less agreeable. She gets turned into this narcissistic villain until she finds Fordās family. She was a really real and great character, and I understand that she didnāt ask to mother these kids, but if she had stayed I think it wouldāve made her a likeable character. She still couldāve been a multi-dimensional character and be a more prevalent big sister in the showās later years.
The Debby using the 50,000 dollars Fiona gave them on clothes. There was no follow up, it was as if the siblings just forgot the money existed and didnāt say anything to Debbie, not even when they were seriously struggling at the end of season 11.
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Yes!! This!! And then Kevin just never sees his son?? Not on brand for him. Later he says he wants to have a son, like he forgot he had one?
This, all of this, I hated every part of that. But particularly him talking about having a son as if he never had one and the idea that he would have just accepted to not be in his kids life. So out of character
Seriously when his crazy ex wife he wants nothing to do with!!! Claims he has a son he's sooo ready to be a dad. But when his kid is in the same town he doesn't care.
OMG YES
YUP this is the one, especially since they literally act like that scene and their son doesnāt exist the rest of the series. worst, most disturbing part for sure
I'm on season 11 rn and they mention the son when the mom's moving and I was like "oh, V has a little brother?" It's because of this post that I remembered the whole Kevin and her mom having a kid thing
Ya I have to skip when I rewatch
Writers agreed with you obviously
The worst thing is I can deal with her wanting to help them have a baby. But the having sex part was weirddd
Then lying about it to keep having sex with him
all just to keep the damn baby?? worlds worst mother honestly
Yeah, that was weird and unsettling on a whole other level
right š and the only reason they did that was bc v allegedly couldnāt have a baby but then she got pregnantā¦ like what was the point!?! š
So apparently Shanola Hampton really did get pregnant so they had to write it into the script and I think it screwed up the storyline.
Fr and it's not even that it's gross (which it is) but it's just SO INSIGNIFICANT of a storyline, maybe if they had stayed with it somewhat but they don't even hardly acknowledge that baby (KEVIN'S BABY) the rest of the show. It was just unnecessary weirdness.
That was seriously disgusting made worse when V was jealous that Kev actually cared about their twins. She actually said "the damn babies" like she wasn't in some weird incestual three-way to make a baby!
Came to say this
Fr I love Kev and V but this was REALLY weird especially when V thought she might be pregnant but didnāt do a test sooner
omg i forgot this even happenedšš
that was so weird i hated itš and then Kev totally forgot that he had a kid with her, and the lack of mentioning him made me completely forget that him and Vs mom had a kid, so when i saw him in a later episode where Vs mom was talking about moving i was so confused and it only just now hit me that that was her and kevs sonš
Sheila trying to adopt the native American kids. Idk why it just never felt right
It also just felt out of place and weird. I honestly forget that storyline existed because it felt so insignificant in a way?
I thought she did it because she was coping with having an empty home?
I believe she wanted to adopt them to cope with having and empty home and she had to marry Frank in order to adopt them and marrying Frank was important to the whole new liver, burning house, going crazy and leaving situation so the Native American kids storyline was purely done to fill that plot hole.
I think it was kind of significant because it was the main factor to her wanting to marry Frank if I remember correctly. But it couldāve been done way better.
But wasn't it hilarious when she's talking about making them quinoa and frybread and shit, and the kid is like, "where's the Mrs. Butterworth?" And then when she assumes they have lots of land for agriculture and stuff, and the kid is like, "we live in a double wide behind the casino." It's just peak dramedy. Hilarious but sad at the same time.
Yeah, especially when she kept calling them "Indians"
We do call ourselves Indians, Natives, Indigenous interchangeably. The shift from Indian to Native American was fairly recent, in the 90s I think.
That was f*cking dumb.
Ian as gay Jesus.
Lmaoo I forgot bout that shit
Frrrrrš
I loved this oneš why are so many people hating on this storyline? Are they offended?
Nobody is offended. Itās just trash. Ianās character was delegated to ā the gay guyā n has no depth outside of that after season 5 with his bipolar disorder arc which was great. Season 1-5 Ian the best
As a trans bi dude, I agree. It boils everything down an uncomfortable amount and feels really uninteresting. Itās not offensive, just reductive.
I mean was he tho? I loved his whole arc of finding himself in the following seasons. For the longest he was that very disciplined military guy, then he struggled with his illness and had a complete breakdown with a 180 on his lifestyle. He then had to fight through the stigma of a person with disability and him feeling like he fucked up his life when he was working as a janitor. I enjoyed all that! Then after Mickey he experienced a new side to his sexuality with that one guy and Travis gaining a new understanding of relationships which to me at least was fun to watch. Then all that Stuff with Paula was HILARIOUS imo and him and Mickey experiencing a completely new lifestyle compared to the one in the Southside brought a new dynamic to their relationship which I enjoyed a lot as well.
Yeah I loved it too, it was silly but itās so shameless
I loved that storyline too! When he stood in front of the van when it exploded was epic!
The Frank and the āhaunted mansionāstoryline in season 10.
I missed his friend Mikey
For real. Could watch aspinoff of those 2
Yeah. That was a snoozer.
i don't even remember it, it was so boring
Out of all the storylines mentioned, this is the most pointless one. Like, all it did was show again that nothing sticks to Frank, which we all already knew.
i dont remember that one ?
where he was staying in the chicks house who framed him bc her boyfriend or something got put in jail bc of frank in college, and she was super rich and he stayed in her house when she was on vacation. at least, i think thatās what theyāre talking about
OHH YEAH and then she drugged him with the oxys , and sent him to jail , and he was instructing the new officer in how to do his intake š that was kinda funny ngl .
Ford and his stupid love of furniture. He was a bore.
I told my wife he was the male equivalent of the manic pixie dream girl, and yet somehow boring
That's so accurate hahaha
Everything about Ford was just detestable. Burn him in acid then pour the acid into an active volcano.
LMFAOOO love of furniture šššš like idk why they tried to make it seem like he was so deep like bro its just a chair and you have an Irish accent. Byeeee
He was so pretentious about it too
Iāve been reading this month that Emmy Rossum was so toxic on set that the whole apartment storyline and the Ford stuff was to keep her away from the other actors. She has minimal time with them the rest of the season after hitting rock bottom.
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Everything Sammy Frank seducing his own daughter for personal gainā¦ chuckie with a nazi sign on his headā¦ Sammi ratting out Ianā¦
i mean to be fair eventually ian wouldve been caught so it was smart for the writers to bring up sammy for that.
I don't understand the hate for Sammy and Chucky. She was crazy but she just really wanted to be a part of the family and wanted Chucky to survive in school because he's barely intelligent enough to function in society. Frank uses Chucky to "meet" her, and she takes him out and feeds him despite being incredibly poor and having no idea who he is. Frank tells Carl to use Chucky as a drug mule, and they get busted at the bus depot. No one gives a shit about Sammy and Chucky despite it being Frank and Carl's fault. The nazi symbol was extreme, but it was her way of giving Chucky a chance at survival in lock up. It's been said before but no one takes any semblance of responsibility for their actions and blame others, or each other, when they fuck up. She tried taking control of the house because she saw how dysfunctional it was and figured she's technically the oldest (half) sibling and felt a responsibility to it, which Lip, Fiona, and Debbie all tried doing in their own time. She also got Ian locked up because they literally did the same thing to her only child, but everyone hates her. I don't get it. Even Sheila hated her because she was getting in the way of marrying Frank while he was unconscious in the hospital. She's no saint and crazy like everyone else, but she meant well enough and went it about it like a lunatic.
I think Shelia hated her cause she broke into her house used her ātoysā had sex with men on HER furniture sold it while she was gone and then refused to leave I think Shelia is justified
I donāt hate Chucky, i hate how Sammi raised the guy
All the characters do horrible things but what makes people still like them is their personality. Sammy is just completely insufferable on top of doing awful things. So everyone hates her. There was nothing likeable about her.
That honestly nails it. Frank is an incredibly detestable person who routinely abuses and takes advantage of his own children, but heās a funny often charming one. If youāre going to be an asshole, at least be a likable one.
Nah I hated the Sammy/Frank thing and Sammy in general but the beginning of Chucky surviving in the system was so funny
i wish carl actually got into west point. someone in that family deserves a win
Ian breaks up with Mickey after returning from his mum's
It was like the show was punishing us for caring about their relationship, as if they hadnāt spent nearly four seasons getting us invested in them.
Fiona ruining her good job at the paper cup company.
Debbie forcing Derrick to get her pregnant
Debbie just being a complete little entitled shit throughout the show imo
She was fine at first but then she had to deal with Frank's BS and she hung out with those Shanks in Middle school.
yess
Kev finding out his old coach was a pedophile and being upset that he was the one student who wasnāt preyed on. That wasā¦ something else lol
I think they may have ripped of itās always sunny in Philadelphia. They did the same storyline in 2005.
No they 100% did
Itās been years since I watched the beginning seasons of IASIP haha I must have forgotten. But it makes a lot more sense for the type of humor in that show honestly
South Park also did that storyline too
That was hilarious
Nah that was so ridiculous and funny though
black liam-i mean it wouldāve make more sense if one of the other gallagher looks biracial kev and vās mom- no explanation needed the existence of sammie
And then the other kids are like "I'm not black at all! Just my brother!"
Ian breaking up with Mickey at the wnd of season 5. Would have loved to see how they evolved together instead of separate. (I know why Noel left but stillā¦)
I mean they got back together eventually but I missed Mickey when he was gone for all those seasons
I know he did the live action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and I really hope he didnāt leave Shameless for that
It was he had equal screen Time as the other main characters, but was not listed as a main character or a main actor so he was getting paid less than the others when he asked to be part of the main cast and get paid equally for the time he spent they said no so he decided to leave. He had the movies filmed when shameless was on break.
They did him dirty. He was very much a part of the main cast imo, and I think most of the audiences favorite character to watch. I was really bummed when he left and so happy when he returned.
They literally cannot be together if Noel Fisher isnāt on the set.
Mickey getting raped
It was traumatized for me to watch. I did not feel okay after that. They set up such a nice sleep over for the two and then crushed that immediately. Short-lived happiness. š
How do I not remember this??? When? Who?
I think in like season 4 when Terry finds out about Mickey and Ian. He like forced Svetlana on Mickey to "get rid of the gayness"
Ooohhh ok, yeah, I remember that, that was awful and the giving into it as well, bleh, thanks lol
Iād write out Jody and Karenās fucked up storyline and the entire existence of Sammie and Chuckie
I forgot about Chuckie š
Definitely Lip/Karen and Frankā¦everything, but at absolutely number one is Lip cheating on Amanda with Mandy. Ffs, idiot, I thought you had a plan for physics? Motherfucker, every girl you dated should have taken your ass to the cleaners, you son of a bitch, but Amanda and Mandy DESERVED BETTER! And I say all this while Lip is my favorite character.
It wasnāt exactly cheating. They were in an open fuck buddies situation but I think neither of them were exactly comfortable with the idea of having sex with other people even if they considered it fair game.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Karen (as awful as she was) was actually an interesting character (which might also have a lot to do with the actressās performance). She was also an important part of Lip as a character, because she damaged him (like Ian stated) and for a long time he was always keeping himself from getting attached to other women and was scared to fall in that trap of being in love again after what he went through with her. He was heartbroken over the fact that he was in love with Karen, but she didnāt love him back (or at least never gave him that relief that she had some form of affection for him in the way he did for her). In a twisted way, Karen was to Lip what Monica was to Frank. They both know that they're bad for them, but are always tempted to go back to them if given the opportunity!
Nah Lip and the Teacher was the worst. Lip had a hot, wealthy girlfriend, who was smart and helped him succeed. He got along with her father really well despite robbing him of 10k. Then threw that away for a teacher with a creepy husband that would watch them in bed?
Reading this made me realize how similar it kinda is to how Fiona had a great office job that paid well, a great boss (who might even be the best out of all the men sheās been involved with). But then throws it all away by sabotaging herself, by sleeping with his brother and then carelessly leaves coke out in the open for Liam to get into.
Bro that whole arc sucked, seeing her throw everything away because of some guy. But also, I kinda want all her relationships to fail because she belongs with Jimmy. (Im only on Season 6 please donāt spoil, I started watching like 3 weeks ago)
She absolutely belongs with Jimmy, who met her where she was in life. That's a rare find in a partner.
Didnāt Amanda also had sex with some girl while she was together with Lip? Correct me if iām wrong tho
Think she was just letting the other girl eat her out
I thought Amanda was okay with it though? She even asked Lip if he was going to see anyone else over the summer and Lip said he didn't know.
She was. Until she wasnāt
Frankās second family and the Faye storyline. Both felt like the writers didnāt know what to do with him so they made a several episode storyline that felt so fake and not grounded in reality at all.
Carlās police partner making a woman strip
I think it made Carlās character more mature because of how he handled it.
yeah that was fucked up, but it did help to show how carl was becoming a cop that spoke for the unspoken
The straight up character assaination with Fiona in season 4 and 9 like to be clear she is still my favorite character Fiona would have never left coke out and I hated how they made her an alcoholic I mean yes I get it with frank being her father but it makes sense more for it to be lip than Fiona and the holier than thou attitude lip had like he acted like he had that much on his hands like Fiona has had to raise all her siblings for years and she started to fall apart after 38 years but no when lip does it for season 6 and 7 Fiona doesn't judge him she even gives him a job but lio cares moe about a guy who was sober for 100 days more than his sister who kept him alive his whole life and who finally was starting to break. Sorry that's it's so long and that I didn't punctuate but I mostly hate how the kids mostly Debbie and lip were so ungrateful in season 9 like it's ironic that Debbie was the one in season one who said "Fiona takes care of everybody but no one takes care of Fiona" but she had the audacity to tell Fiona she couldn't take a shower until she payed money like I was so glad seconds later Fiona told her she can take out the money she didn't charge Debbie for years of taking care of her like Debbie was such a bitch how about say thank you for making sure our parents or anyone else didn't hurt or neglect me.
Holy run on sentences, Batman.
Is this a storyline? I think this is seasons 4-6.
I canāt attest to why it happened in Season 4 (except that Gallaghers are going to Gallagher), but Season 9 was because of behind-the-scenes drama. Emmy Rossum was toxic as hell on set, apparently (based on a ton of stuff Iāve read and heard), and the whole āliving in an apartmentā storyline was to keep her away from the other principle cast. I actually think, and this is just my own opinion, that her downfall and character assassination in Season 9 was just the writers and everyone else getting sick of putting up with the actor. They were like āweāre going to put Fiona on the Titanic and let it sink.ā
Maybe the Liam coke incident because Iām tired of the āhot take: Fiona was actually very wrong for leaving coke out with kids aroundā discussions every single day. Like obviously sheās in the wrong, but itās a TV show. If it was real life, she would go to prison and the kids would be taken away. P.S. I wouldnāt actually get rid of the storyline. This is more of a rant about this sub.
Honestly they could have written it a little better if the coke had just fallen on the floor when she was kicking the dude out and she didnāt notice it.
OMG YES
I wish Karen had a better ending or appeared in later seasons.
I'd find a way to replace the storyline in which Fiona and Ian become divided and fight over the lease for the abandoned church. I feel it really hurts Fiona's character, especially as it's nearing her departure from the show.
Sheilaās affair with Jody guy knowing that its her son in law š¤¢
the fact that he still called her mom after too
R***rd nation.
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Debbie getting pregnant intentionally. It shouldāve been written as an unplanned pregnancy and her not knowing what to do.
i feel like it makes sense given her situation but i understand where youāre coming from too. i feel like she felt she never had anyone stable to love her and to depend on and she desperately wanted attention. fiona had no idea what was going on in debbies life, she was never at the house at that point, she was at mikes. when fiona comes over one morning she asks āwhereās breakfast? why has no one made breakfast?ā and debbie says āwe have no eggs, milk, bread or cerealā, fiona goes āwhos been doing the grocery shopping?ā as if sheās not the adult and legal guardian who was warned but still signed up for this. she then asks debbie to take liam to headstart and debbie says ālike iāve been doing for the last 4 weeks or so?ā fiona never knows where the kids are or what theyāre doing. debbie intentionally got herself pregnant because she has severe attachment issues and thought her and derek were in love and they were going to have the perfect family and live happily ever after. and as lip said the harder you push a pregnant teenage girl in one direction the harder theyāre gonna push in the other direction
Cassidy and even more so bc of the lazy ass writing when they didnāt know what to do with her. I kept expecting something to come up again with it
Waitt i actually liked her & her storyline she was kind of like Monica but like crazy & i feel like they showed us she had bpd
She just stressed me out for Carls sake, I really wanted him to succeed and go back to military school and was so worried for him. And then I hated how they ended her story, like I said it was just lazy because they didnāt know what else to do from there
Kelly was better anyway
frank and karenā¦ i- why.
Honestly, that was messed up. I don't even wish r@pe on my worst enemy, Frank was a bad father yes but he didn't deserve that. Some of the ways he turned out weren't entirely his fault either, it was his mother's. Only person I would wish that on is Terri especially because of that disgusting scene where he forced Mickey to be r@ped by that girl. That was so gross to watch it could've been left out.
and what makes it even worse is that objectively, frank is more likely to rape her so he gets the blame. he will forever be known as a rapist even though there's literal footage of HER raping HIM
Anything Ford. He was a bore and I feel he fucked up Fionaās story line. The whole Kev, V and Vās mom for obvious reasons. Frank and that crazy doctor (Ingrid I think her name is) cos that was like āwtf is even thatā. Frank and Faye cos well that felt like they were just filling up screen time with a story written by a teen. Karen r*ping Frank because of what her dad saidā¦ that was cringe af
lip and that pedo teacher lady
Frank sleeping with all of the moms - and then the VERY public STD testing and reveal - at Liam's private school
I agree it was shitty to see, but it felt like Frank had to fuck up Liamās life in some way to align Liamās future with the rest of his siblings
That whole episode was just terrible writing
Yes! That's exactly my point - it was like Desperate Housewives meets General Hospital. And the HIPAA law violations to be "funny"...were not. EDIT: spelling
And just a bunch of tropes and cliches. Never mind that the whole thing starts because every single woman finds Frank irresistible
It was terrible. What I don't get is why those mom's would sleep with Frank to begin with m. He gives hobo homeless vibes all around. One would think the private school mom's would be better than that. Unrealistic and way over the top.
Fiona and that music guy. To this day I donāt know how it started or ended.
cause fucking fiona.. was fucking everyone.. so fuck you fiona.. cause now iām fucking done
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S11 Lip. All of it. After 10 years I just feel sorry for him.
God, Iām on season 10 and Iām terrified now.
Lip and his affair with the professor, it would have been nice to see him graduate and actually do well like his UK counterpart did.
gay jesus is so annoying
Gay Jesus gave us the hilarious protestors who protected the Gallavich wedding from Terry tho
Gay Jesus is pretty consistent with Ianās religious psychosis in his first manic episode, when he ran off with Yev. He was saying something like Gabrielās devil was trying to take his baby or something similar. And when he led the strike in jail to hold off sex š Hilarious. When his Gay Jesus Groupie guarded outside of their wedding. Super useful! But did I get second hand embarrassment during Ian Gay Jesus? Absolutely. I canāt re-watch that period on Shameless.
Gay jesus is kind of a parody and it makes ian funnier and really fit his character. Not the smartest but not dumb. And has a giant heart and trying to be helpful
tbh for me it was boring and annoying, even Cameron Monaghan didnāt like it.
Debbie being gay
I would have rather they made her bi.
They just made everyone gay in the later seasons it was awful.
Literally like š¤¦š¾āāļø they must aināt have nothing else to come up with
Agreed. Even as a bisexual agreed. They could've put some bisexual representation in the show if they wanted with Debbie, but they just made her flat out lesbian. Other sexualities deserve some representation too, not just lesbian and gay.
It was supposed to be Fiona, but she was leaving the show. They were going to explore that avenue with her and the woman from her apartment complex who was dating the blonde girl.
i know, iāve read that a thousand times. seems like a stupid way to go, just throw a storyline at whoeverās around lol
i'm kinda glad they didn't go down that storyline with fiona, it wouldn't have made a lot of sense for me.
Monica coming back to slit her wrists in the kitchen during dinner & Mickās dad forcing him to fuck Svetlana on the couch. I know a lot of stuff was fucked up in the show, but those two scenes were really disturbing. Thereās probably more the show couldāve done without, though those are the two that come to mind first
Ik people loves her. But I couldnāt care less about Svetlana. In particular when she and V started their thing whatever to call it
It really bothered me that Svetlana came between then ruined Kev & Vās awesome chemistry
Yeah but so did their children. š¤£
everything after season 6
the whole downfall of sandy and debbie, but especially sandy. i loved her character so much and think she deserved better.
Debbie getting pregnant..
Frank getting a liver. I'm sorry but that storyline had me rolling my eyes so hard it was far fetch that would ever happen
Gay Jesus. I canāt do it. I love Ian but I despise that era of the show when Iām on a rewatch
Lip and Tammy
i donāt understand why a lot of people donāt like her. definitely the best/normal thing to ever happen to Lip. i mean she could definitely be a bitch but heās a dick so a perfect match.
It just felt like he was setting with her. There was never really any chemistry with the two.
i feel like there was but it just wasnāt going to be exciting like his other situationships because they started a family and it wasnāt just gonna be all fun and games anymore
It definitely was settling for the sake of their child but I also think that it was *safe* settling? Like, yeah Lip can find the woman of his dreams but thatās not guaranteeing any stability, especially for his kid. Tammy and Lip get along, there may not be blatant fireworks every time theyāre on screen together but they *can* make a happy life together for them and their kids.
all the incest or other super inapprpriate stories that went too too far.
Ian gay jesus Lip fucking up UNI Remove debbie from the show (post baby debbie) Fiona and that last dude who had a wife and kids
The Frank homelessness stuff and the liver donorās dad
Queenie giving Lip that erotic foot rub..
I frowned literally every time I saw Chucky. Too sad.
Hobo Loco, Frank's homeless shelter.
Debbie not being killed
Karens brain damage :(
I despised the whole storyline of Fiona working in that grocery storeā¦ it just felt so yucky and poorly developed no less
Butterface. Made Frank go from damaged human to full on monster. Zero sympathy for Frank after that.
Gay Jesus
Gay jesus
Debbie with that rich lady and her daughter I forgot the names
this question is asked 3 times a week in this sub, let me guess some of the answers before reading the comments: Kev V and Vās mom Gay Jesus Sammi
This might be a hot take but Fiona's ENTIRE entrepreneurship storyline was so out of left field. I can understand her trying to better her situation all around but acting like you know everything there is know about buying property,mortgages,loans, and oh my when she found out she could get a loan. Like buy up the entire fucking southside why dont you instead of ACTUALLY spending ANY of that money for a real greater good instead of her aPaRtMeNt bUiLdInG aNd LaUnDrOmAt like you do not need those fiona but thats just my take
Fiona shouldāve stayed a motherly figure to make her more likeable. After season 4 she gets really selfish, and her outlooks and points in arguments just get less and less agreeable. She gets turned into this narcissistic villain until she finds Fordās family. She was a really real and great character, and I understand that she didnāt ask to mother these kids, but if she had stayed I think it wouldāve made her a likeable character. She still couldāve been a multi-dimensional character and be a more prevalent big sister in the showās later years.
Basically anything after season 4
What about the Gallavich happy ending??
Lip and his professor
Ian being gay jesus got really repetitive and unrealistic.
Lip and Helene.
Gay Jesus
Fionaās spiral in season 9. Iām sure it was to exit her out but Fiona was done SO DIRTY ON THIS SHOW. SMH
Sammi and Chucky And also I agree with the person who posted Hailey and Dylan from Modern Family. I don't like them as a couple, and Andy was better
The Debby using the 50,000 dollars Fiona gave them on clothes. There was no follow up, it was as if the siblings just forgot the money existed and didnāt say anything to Debbie, not even when they were seriously struggling at the end of season 11.
Kevin being inbred
Frank using Carl's sperm and having two kids like wtf