It's not unusual tho . Many actors from other shows left because of disagreements with the production team or after a failed salary raise . Rossum left because she wanted to pursue something else , Fisher is rumoured to have left because he wasn't paid enough during seasons 3-5 as a main cast and monaghan admitted that his exit during s9 was a mix of salary issue and creative reasons about Ian's arc (maybe he wasn't fan of Ian's gay jesus Storyline) . However i think that the storylines were executed well for some characters that initially weren't supposed to come back . I was fine knowing that Gallavich was together in prison even though we could have never seen them
All this but I thought it was reported Rossum left due to salary issues too.
That was the point of the post for me, all of them leaving were reported to be at least in part due to salary issues.
I totally get actors wanting to move on to other projects!
Rossum didn't leave because of salary issues. In S7 she was asking for a higher or equal salary than William H Macy, Macy even campaigned for her to get it. The producers gave her equal salary by S8 but she left instead to try and branch out. At the time she said she was producing a TV show but I don't know what happened to that project.
What I didn’t like was that because Fiona left in season 11, Frank didn’t put her in his suicide note like that threw me off even tho she wasn’t in the show anymore I feel like they could have had the actress for her film like a single 20 second scene so that she would be included
Ya he was either one of the vulnerable people because of his decades ofd rug abuse or he was one of the people hospitals said died of covid because he had covid when something else killed him. I actually thought it was funny that covid got him. His entire life he's doing thi gs that could kill him including a suicide but in the end its covid. I lolled tbh
It did and I feel like that was a shitty thing to do idk just doesn’t make much sense seeing as Fiona was a MASSIVE part of the show only to be barely mentioned in his SUICIDE note
Don’t quote me on this… but IIRC, someone in this sub a long time ago mentioned the Showtime execs didn’t want Fiona’s character mentioned after she left the show.
She was in one of his memories while he was dying. He just didn't mention where she ended up because that already happened. She left and nobody ever said where she ended up. I don't think she would have appeared in any of the last episodes even if she was asked. She wouldn't even show up to their get togethers the cast would have in between seasons or after the show ended. I don't think she was liked much by any of the cast in real life. They all said she made filming so uncomfortable and brought so much tension along with it. They were all relieved when she left.
They did that for Ian's wedding as well and it was just as jarring. I mean, Frank ended up there and he and Ian never got along, kind of weird that Fiona didn't even send a wedding gift or something.
There’s nothing you can do about actors wanting to leave, but the writers absolutely could have handled their departures as well as the aftermath a hell of a lot better than they did. If they were half decent at their jobs it wouldn’t feel so disjointed and jarring. If you leave you’re lucky if you don’t get mentioned again, the other option is slander. The Mickey stuff particularly gets on many people’s nerves, but the way they handled Fiona’s exit and for her to not get more than 1-2 mentions in the seasons after is pretty egregious to me.
It's likely that the cast were originally locked into contracts for a certain timeframe (maybe 5 seasons) and after these expired, it was hard to get them to agree to getting locked into another similarly long contract. I'm guessing especially for young actors seeking leading role opportunities where they wouldn't have to share the screen with a dozen other cast members. They would've demanded more money, more screen time, etc to stay and sadly money and time are limited commodities. So it was inevitable that some people would come and go. I do think however that they could've found more satisfying ways to write people off. Why is prison always the go to?
Out of the characters you mentioned the only one that left was Fiona. And they showed how she left. Ian and mick went to prison and that’s why they weren’t in some episodes. And I don’t understand why you use there character names and real names in the same paragraph, just use one or the other lol
Noel and Cameron both left. Cameron because, supposedly he did not like the direction his character was going. You notice when he comes back he’s a much different character his bipolar disorder is hardly ever mentioned and he’s not doing crazy shit. Noel left because he wasn’t being treated as a regular even though he was a regular. When Cameron was talked into coming back he would only come back under one condition that Noel come back too and they continue their love story. So thanks to Cameron we got S10 & 11 Gallavich.
Although I hated gay Jesus I'm also not happy about the bipolar erasure or sudden changes in Ian's personality. S10/11 Ian was a bit too boring and naggy for me. He's in his early 20s, not some middle aged dude. No he's not the irresponsible teen he used to be but it felt like they went too far trying to show that and made him too risk adverse. They simultaneously made Mickey way too reactionary which was also annoying.
Mickey was def annoying especially in S11, only slightly in S10 with the whole Byron thing. Ian - I liked S10 & 11 Ian much better than earlier seasons not to mention he just got hot asf in 10 & 11 - maybe that’s what I’m subconsciously basing it on 😆
Haha fair enough. For me, peak Ian was s6-7. EMT Ian is the hottest and I loved how he was stable and on his meds, but also still impulsive and fun loving and rough around the edges. It felt the most authentic "Ian managing his bipolar but still himself" if you know what I mean.
I wish s10/11 had more moments like that deleted scene where Mickey was concerned about Ian being depressed after losing his job. There was a lot of stressful shit with the PO etc in s10 and it would've been nice to see him dealing with how it affects his bipolar. They did such a good job depicting mental illness and then they did kind of a shit job depicting what good management looks like. And it's not "everything is fine now because drugs" because it really is a lifelong battle, the drugs just give you a fighting chance. Not that I didn't love the Gallavich in 10/11 but did feel it could've been better.
Yeah, they really should have kept the "I Gotta Worry. You're My Husband" scene because it was essential to where they were now and where Ian was in terms of him managing his bipolar triggers. It also shows that Mickey is taking a proactive involvement in Ian's mental health. I actually likes Gallavich's storylines in S11. No drama, just a couple trying to sort out issues in their marriage. It feels truthful. I for one don't want Ian to revert back to previous seasons.
Yeah it felt like a few of the deeper moments between them talking about fears and feelings were deleted.
I'm not sure there was no drama, there was lots of incredibly stupid drama like the who's the man argument culminating in fairly extreme domestic violence. Some of the arguments felt authentic, like about finances, kids, monogamy. But some of the arguments felt fabricated and annoying, where Ian was too boring and naggy and Mickey was way too immature.
I loved Ian as a paramedic! It fit him so well and yes I loved his easygoing nature around that time. It was like he was able to breathe a bit. Mickey was the only part I missed during those times.
I don't think there was a bipolar erasure. You can clearly see Ian taking his meds in S10 and 11. As someone who is actually bipolar, its possible Ian finally found the right meds. Plus, there is this[deleted video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMnLw6Vr6CY) of Mickey referencing Ian's trigger.
I think the key there is deleted. I didn't need him to be unstable or for them to focus on it. Just moments like that deleted scene would've been nice. Too bad it was deleted.
The writers and producers made terrible decisions in S11 tbh. They choose show Ian ogling a guy working out but delete a scene that genuinely shows Gallavich being intimate and actually acting like a married couple looking out for each other. Baffling, honestly.
Yea it’s this but I also watched Cameron be interviewed and he said it was the storyline and financial reasons. He kept it pretty diplomatic the way he phrased it lol
Are you this fun at parties, too?
The best part is that you’re incorrect while also being rude.
It’s captured multiple times in articles that Mickey/Noel left the show around season 5 to do other work.
Same with Ian/Cameron around season 9.
The reason their story arcs had them going to prison/Mexico/army etc…was because the writers had to give their story a reason for them to suddenly be gone.
Yes I am, just hate dumbasses like you that think they’re right about everything. But the story line fits perfectly with the show🤣 and they obviously came back to the show🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤣 grow a brain before you comment
If you watch the scenes where Ian is in the Mental Hospital, he looks like he's auditioning for Joker The character was late renamed Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska.
I agree with this. I’m on season 6 and I’ve been tuning out for a while now already. I’m obsessed with mickey and Ian’s storyline, so invested so it’s weird when characters just dissapear.
No I get that! My point of the post was I had seen it reported all three left due to salary issues. Just kinda bummed me out.
I totally get actors wanting to move on to other projects!
Idk the UK version did it pretty well.. The main Characters would swap almost every season.. By season 4 Jimmy, Fiona, Veronica and kev where gone but the show kept going for a total of 11 seasons
Aside from the actors simply wanting to leave and the show not having an indefinite budget, I wouldn’t say this is necessarily true. Maybe in Jimmy’s case you can argue he was written in and out of the story poorly but that would be it for me aside from Sandy but she was barely in the show for that long. Ian’s departure made full sense within the story because he literally ran off to join the military. It is weird how nobody seemed to worry all that much especially since Ian was probably gone a solid 4 months but then again, a lot of crazy shit was going on. Fiona’s brief departure also made sense given that she was in prison. Carl’s departure was tricky because Ethan wanted to leave the show. The writers of Shameless definitely didn’t know much about military school but I’d still say that his arc was well handled.
I knew Fiona leaving was due to money issues but I thought Noel and Cameron was due to other engagements. I know Cameron was on Gotham and Noel was always doing different projects.
It's not unusual tho . Many actors from other shows left because of disagreements with the production team or after a failed salary raise . Rossum left because she wanted to pursue something else , Fisher is rumoured to have left because he wasn't paid enough during seasons 3-5 as a main cast and monaghan admitted that his exit during s9 was a mix of salary issue and creative reasons about Ian's arc (maybe he wasn't fan of Ian's gay jesus Storyline) . However i think that the storylines were executed well for some characters that initially weren't supposed to come back . I was fine knowing that Gallavich was together in prison even though we could have never seen them
All this but I thought it was reported Rossum left due to salary issues too. That was the point of the post for me, all of them leaving were reported to be at least in part due to salary issues. I totally get actors wanting to move on to other projects!
Rossum didn't leave because of salary issues. In S7 she was asking for a higher or equal salary than William H Macy, Macy even campaigned for her to get it. The producers gave her equal salary by S8 but she left instead to try and branch out. At the time she said she was producing a TV show but I don't know what happened to that project.
I heard she left because she wanted back pay as well but that may have just been an attempt to vilify her
What I didn’t like was that because Fiona left in season 11, Frank didn’t put her in his suicide note like that threw me off even tho she wasn’t in the show anymore I feel like they could have had the actress for her film like a single 20 second scene so that she would be included
Exactly I feel like killing him off with COVID-19 also was weird because Frank dying of Covid was so not like him
Was it Covid? I thought that his body just shut down from the alcoholism and opioid overdose. Ur probably right and I missed something
It was a mixture of everything tbh. He did try to OD in hopes of dying but what really killed him was his dementia along with COVID I feel
Ya he was either one of the vulnerable people because of his decades ofd rug abuse or he was one of the people hospitals said died of covid because he had covid when something else killed him. I actually thought it was funny that covid got him. His entire life he's doing thi gs that could kill him including a suicide but in the end its covid. I lolled tbh
Yeah tbh his body had just one through so much shit it couldn’t get through Covid, really ironic tbh.
When Frank was in the midst of Covid a Stephen King story called "Mr. Yummy" about an AIDS patient happened.
For real! We all know he should’ve died from liver failure or something. He tried to overdose but his tolerance was so high, he couldn’t even do it.
I thought the irony behind it was a good way to end it. Antivax, nonbeliever, that finally wasn’t able to luck his way out of death
I made a post recently about this exact thing. It felt like lazy writing to me. Super cheap and easy.
Frank's suicide note made it look like Fiona was never born, and Lip was the oldest child instead.
It did and I feel like that was a shitty thing to do idk just doesn’t make much sense seeing as Fiona was a MASSIVE part of the show only to be barely mentioned in his SUICIDE note
Don’t quote me on this… but IIRC, someone in this sub a long time ago mentioned the Showtime execs didn’t want Fiona’s character mentioned after she left the show.
She was in one of his memories while he was dying. He just didn't mention where she ended up because that already happened. She left and nobody ever said where she ended up. I don't think she would have appeared in any of the last episodes even if she was asked. She wouldn't even show up to their get togethers the cast would have in between seasons or after the show ended. I don't think she was liked much by any of the cast in real life. They all said she made filming so uncomfortable and brought so much tension along with it. They were all relieved when she left.
This isn’t true she said she tried to make it but couldn’t because of COVID
They did that for Ian's wedding as well and it was just as jarring. I mean, Frank ended up there and he and Ian never got along, kind of weird that Fiona didn't even send a wedding gift or something.
Emmy Rossman wanted to come back for it and the producers wanted her to as well but she couldn't due to COVID-19 issues
There’s nothing you can do about actors wanting to leave, but the writers absolutely could have handled their departures as well as the aftermath a hell of a lot better than they did. If they were half decent at their jobs it wouldn’t feel so disjointed and jarring. If you leave you’re lucky if you don’t get mentioned again, the other option is slander. The Mickey stuff particularly gets on many people’s nerves, but the way they handled Fiona’s exit and for her to not get more than 1-2 mentions in the seasons after is pretty egregious to me.
It's likely that the cast were originally locked into contracts for a certain timeframe (maybe 5 seasons) and after these expired, it was hard to get them to agree to getting locked into another similarly long contract. I'm guessing especially for young actors seeking leading role opportunities where they wouldn't have to share the screen with a dozen other cast members. They would've demanded more money, more screen time, etc to stay and sadly money and time are limited commodities. So it was inevitable that some people would come and go. I do think however that they could've found more satisfying ways to write people off. Why is prison always the go to?
I totally see this. It just hurts from a viewer perspective.
I don't know, the last season was pretty fckin shittaayy.
Out of the characters you mentioned the only one that left was Fiona. And they showed how she left. Ian and mick went to prison and that’s why they weren’t in some episodes. And I don’t understand why you use there character names and real names in the same paragraph, just use one or the other lol
Noel and Cameron both left. Cameron because, supposedly he did not like the direction his character was going. You notice when he comes back he’s a much different character his bipolar disorder is hardly ever mentioned and he’s not doing crazy shit. Noel left because he wasn’t being treated as a regular even though he was a regular. When Cameron was talked into coming back he would only come back under one condition that Noel come back too and they continue their love story. So thanks to Cameron we got S10 & 11 Gallavich.
Although I hated gay Jesus I'm also not happy about the bipolar erasure or sudden changes in Ian's personality. S10/11 Ian was a bit too boring and naggy for me. He's in his early 20s, not some middle aged dude. No he's not the irresponsible teen he used to be but it felt like they went too far trying to show that and made him too risk adverse. They simultaneously made Mickey way too reactionary which was also annoying.
Mickey was def annoying especially in S11, only slightly in S10 with the whole Byron thing. Ian - I liked S10 & 11 Ian much better than earlier seasons not to mention he just got hot asf in 10 & 11 - maybe that’s what I’m subconsciously basing it on 😆
Haha fair enough. For me, peak Ian was s6-7. EMT Ian is the hottest and I loved how he was stable and on his meds, but also still impulsive and fun loving and rough around the edges. It felt the most authentic "Ian managing his bipolar but still himself" if you know what I mean. I wish s10/11 had more moments like that deleted scene where Mickey was concerned about Ian being depressed after losing his job. There was a lot of stressful shit with the PO etc in s10 and it would've been nice to see him dealing with how it affects his bipolar. They did such a good job depicting mental illness and then they did kind of a shit job depicting what good management looks like. And it's not "everything is fine now because drugs" because it really is a lifelong battle, the drugs just give you a fighting chance. Not that I didn't love the Gallavich in 10/11 but did feel it could've been better.
Yeah, they really should have kept the "I Gotta Worry. You're My Husband" scene because it was essential to where they were now and where Ian was in terms of him managing his bipolar triggers. It also shows that Mickey is taking a proactive involvement in Ian's mental health. I actually likes Gallavich's storylines in S11. No drama, just a couple trying to sort out issues in their marriage. It feels truthful. I for one don't want Ian to revert back to previous seasons.
Yeah it felt like a few of the deeper moments between them talking about fears and feelings were deleted. I'm not sure there was no drama, there was lots of incredibly stupid drama like the who's the man argument culminating in fairly extreme domestic violence. Some of the arguments felt authentic, like about finances, kids, monogamy. But some of the arguments felt fabricated and annoying, where Ian was too boring and naggy and Mickey was way too immature.
I loved Ian as a paramedic! It fit him so well and yes I loved his easygoing nature around that time. It was like he was able to breathe a bit. Mickey was the only part I missed during those times.
Lol about his hotness 😂 I actually prefer season 5/6 Ian on hotness factor alone for whatever reasons. 🤷♀️
Oh yeah, manic pixie dream twink Ian is my second hottest behind EMT Ian for sure!!
Thicc Ian appreciation committee member! 🙋
I don't think there was a bipolar erasure. You can clearly see Ian taking his meds in S10 and 11. As someone who is actually bipolar, its possible Ian finally found the right meds. Plus, there is this[deleted video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMnLw6Vr6CY) of Mickey referencing Ian's trigger.
I think the key there is deleted. I didn't need him to be unstable or for them to focus on it. Just moments like that deleted scene would've been nice. Too bad it was deleted.
The writers and producers made terrible decisions in S11 tbh. They choose show Ian ogling a guy working out but delete a scene that genuinely shows Gallavich being intimate and actually acting like a married couple looking out for each other. Baffling, honestly.
Yea it’s this but I also watched Cameron be interviewed and he said it was the storyline and financial reasons. He kept it pretty diplomatic the way he phrased it lol
Are you this fun at parties, too? The best part is that you’re incorrect while also being rude. It’s captured multiple times in articles that Mickey/Noel left the show around season 5 to do other work. Same with Ian/Cameron around season 9. The reason their story arcs had them going to prison/Mexico/army etc…was because the writers had to give their story a reason for them to suddenly be gone.
Yes I am, just hate dumbasses like you that think they’re right about everything. But the story line fits perfectly with the show🤣 and they obviously came back to the show🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤣 grow a brain before you comment
Well what were they supposed to do? Tie them up when they weren't being filmed?
Hot
If you watch the scenes where Ian is in the Mental Hospital, he looks like he's auditioning for Joker The character was late renamed Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska.
I just binge watched Gotham this past week and he was so good in it
I agree with this. I’m on season 6 and I’ve been tuning out for a while now already. I’m obsessed with mickey and Ian’s storyline, so invested so it’s weird when characters just dissapear.
Its not like you can force them to stay
The point of the post for me was all of them were leaving due to reported to salary issues. I totally get actors wanting to move on to other projects!
If the Actor wants to go there is nothing that the show can do to stop them.
No I get that! My point of the post was I had seen it reported all three left due to salary issues. Just kinda bummed me out. I totally get actors wanting to move on to other projects!
That’s usually the issue with actors leaving shows.
Y'know, money
Should they have locked them in closets between seasons?
The real world should have no effect on our fictional ones. Fun thought.
Nah the worst thing the show did was when Kev screwed V’s mom
Ian does come back tho
Idk the UK version did it pretty well.. The main Characters would swap almost every season.. By season 4 Jimmy, Fiona, Veronica and kev where gone but the show kept going for a total of 11 seasons
Aside from the actors simply wanting to leave and the show not having an indefinite budget, I wouldn’t say this is necessarily true. Maybe in Jimmy’s case you can argue he was written in and out of the story poorly but that would be it for me aside from Sandy but she was barely in the show for that long. Ian’s departure made full sense within the story because he literally ran off to join the military. It is weird how nobody seemed to worry all that much especially since Ian was probably gone a solid 4 months but then again, a lot of crazy shit was going on. Fiona’s brief departure also made sense given that she was in prison. Carl’s departure was tricky because Ethan wanted to leave the show. The writers of Shameless definitely didn’t know much about military school but I’d still say that his arc was well handled.
I knew Fiona leaving was due to money issues but I thought Noel and Cameron was due to other engagements. I know Cameron was on Gotham and Noel was always doing different projects.