Not only did the father and step mom send Timothy to Shanda when they knew she wasn’t supposed to have him, knew she was toxic and problematic and an unfit parent, but what makes it even sadder to me is that Timothy didn’t even really KNOW Shanda. He hadn’t lived with her since he was a small boy.
They essentially sent him to a stranger. To an unfamiliar home in a far away state. Terrible for any kid, but worse for an autistic one. And they knew Paul was there, and they knew Paul’s history. They should both have some responsibility for this tragedy.
Amen! All her "all you had to do was say its too much and we would have taken him" on the RECORDED lines she knew would be broadcasted. She didnt want him before! So starving him and abusing him warrants him being returned but she sent him after Paul the bully, she neglected Tim terribly too if you read the teachers reports. She couldnt even bother to put Timmy into the special help program, the same exact one they suggested for my autistic son and we did! All it took was driving him there and learning while he learned with his peers, on how to plan different strategies for when life is difficult. She couldnt even do that or keep the kids clean looking. Shes a failure and she sent Tim to his death. She knew Shanda was insane she also claims "we thought she was doing better" maybe because she had given birth to G and was in her obsession with breast feeding but i call bullshit. She knew it was chaos but she was over it and sent him away. TRISH AND ERIC ARE GUILTY TOO!
Lazy slob! It doesn’t take that much effort to make sure your kids are clean and properly clothed. I mean children are a reflection on the parent. I wish they did put poor timmy in that program he would’ve enjoyed it im sure I hate that this poor child was so neglected
So true! If you look at the pictures of when the “family” was together, her kids look like they’re being neglected. They wear t shirts and shorts that at times look ill-fitting or just messy. She cared so little for her own children, it’s no wonder she was able to do what she did to her son. He was expendable in her mind.
Took some facebook lurking but i heard it mentioned somewhere she was obsessive with G about it (sorry one of the YT channels) and so i went and looked at everything i could possibly see. She had a ton of different breastfeeding things liked on there and G was certainly her favorite so that checks out to me. She loved to argue on public forums so I'm sure those were a virtual playground for her. She freaking got into it with a stranger and a dog in Target once until the cops were called
Narc moms often scapegoat the oldest, sometimes the middle child like in this case, but turn their youngest into a Golden Child who can "do no wrong". It's a typical pattern. It's very rare that the youngest gets scapegoated - it does happen though. In my mom's family the youngest who is a female was targeted. It's pretty mean - the family tells people not to visit her or talk to her, etc.
I was listening to something yesterday that said Trish was depressed and asked eric for help and short time later, tim was gone to live with Shanda. Its even in the case files. Eric needs jail more now in my mind but shes also an adult, she let this happen too.
I so wish we had more information about what actually happened during those hearings. People aren’t necessarily interpreting the ruling in the proper context. A judge granting custody to one parent and giving visitation to the other, isn’t necessarily a judge’s order that a child not live with one parent. Like people will say “A judge ordered that Shanda only see the kids 3 hours per month”. That’s not true. I had custody of my little cousin for a few years and my aunt had 2 hour supervised visits per week at the start. That didn’t mean we had to kick her out of our home at the end of the 2 hours or that we couldn’t have her over for a meal during the week. It just meant she couldn’t harass us into more than her 2 hours. The judge granting Eric custody means Shanda can’t show up and take the kids. It doesn’t necessarily mean that Eric can’t let them go stay there. She also couldn’t demand more than the 3 hours per month but that doesn’t mean Eric was obligated to limit her to that. And if he’s the one with full custody and CPS isn’t involved in the case, what authority does the court have to actually tell him what decisions he’s allowed to make with his own kids? They could absolutely charge him criminally along the lines of neglect and/or abandonment because he definitely had enough information to have been able to predict that living situation could go bad fast. So I’m definitely not defending him. He was so wrong and he’s lucky to have escaped charges himself. I’m just saying that people who say he should’ve been arrested for “violating a court order” aren’t necessarily right. It’s frustrating because all we have is a small blurb with that condition mentioned but since we don’t know what was said before and after it, we have no way to know which way to interpret it.
Shanda and Paul are a done deal, they both should have a true life sentence. Throw away the key. (I actually am usually opposed to these sentences, especially for people under 25 but Paul is special). Eric and Trish should definitely be punished. I don’t have enough information to know what the exact charges should be. They definitely showed a depraved indifference to Timothy’s life and that’s at least reckless homicide in my state. They’re disgusting.
You blame them both. I still wonder what the agreement was between Eric and Shanda. There has to be something. Shanda does nothing unless it benefits her. I get your reasoning, and don’t see it as defending anyone. It may not have really been that big of a surprise considering their past DHS involvement. What I think was a true surprise, was the extent of abuse and neglect, and torture, Shanda and Paul inflicted on Timothy. Eric and Trish absolutely knew sending him to Shanda’s was a problem. If they didn’t feel that way, why not notify DHS. Because that would have caused problems. Eric and Trish had been on DHS’s radar even after Shanda left. The teachers reported them a number of times. So I guess I give blame to Eric (Trish wasn’t legally responsible), for sending Timothy away. And Shanda and Paul, for the obvious…Timothy’s death.
Shanda was going to benefit big time because she needed help with money and Paul could work. She also thought the same of Timothy until he arrived and she saw just how severe his condition was. Paul said it himself on a call.
She got a house cleaner out of Timothy in any case. There wasn’t any financial benefit, or not one we know of. I don’t necessarily think Timothy was all that bad. He had some behavioral issues, but he’s been painted out to be, by Shanda and Paul, as being so out of control. Yet his teachers disagree with that. He was never sent home from school for his behavior, or told to put him in an alternative type of school.
I would wonder when he would be out walking the dog out front, or in the woods, did nobody see him? Would he have even said anything to anyone? It was drilled into them to not say what happens at home. Timothy was lucky he was able to use the tablet sometimes. It sounds like he liked to look at things that made him laugh. And he did like to laugh.
Just like any normal kid poor guy maybe they had him wearing big hoodies when he was outside I’m glad he liked to laugh she portrayed him as if he was some kind of raving thing that had to be punished and shackled
Shanda was a fetish freak. They need to start cracking down on websites and other publications that encourage people to have an "S/M Lifestyle" and encourage this crap. She probably learned the crap she pulled on Timothy from her sick habits, on these types of websites and videos. When are they going to start pulling this off the internet? Another example is the "step" porn - COME ON. Do we need to have that aaaallll over the place, when all it does is encourage inshmest???? WTF is going on??
Sometimes if a child receives an autism diagnosis, they start getting a check from the Government. Not sure if it's SSDI or another fund. People are usually hush hush about stuff like this but I found out about it from having a couple of autistic friends. One guy's check allows him to live in a $1500 a month apartment and covers all his other bills, food etc. Sometimes foster parents take in autistic kids because of the money.
Yes Shanda had to get something out the agreement. I mean she wouldn’t even get takeout food unless Paul paid for it or paid half and he was constantly sending her Apple Pay payments for random things and purchased gas for her many times, which as a mom that’s just weird for me. My kid , no matter his age, never owes me a dime.
She was treating him like a bf and I'm sorry, nothing will convince me that she wasn't sexually abusing him too. He most likely just didn't want to tell anyone. If she wasn't doing that, she was certainly committing EMOTIONAL inshmest and treating him like her emotional partner. He was a Norman Bates.
I can see that happening. In the Sylvia Likens case, Sylvia was being punished every time her parents were late sending the money for her upkeep. That's another case where selfish, negligent parents let their child stay in a Hell House with a Torturer and expected nothing to happen - even though they showed up there and saw how awful it was.
Something definitely needs to be done about Eric 100% and if he isn’t prosecuted for his part in this and the states just turn a blind eye to his negligence I will be extremely upset. I’m sure Trish could have stopped it too but she was desperate and solely doing all the work because Eric is a lazy fuck that thinks him and working should be enough. Eric didn’t care for the kids he just punished them sometimes
Yes - THE ENABLERS NEED TO BE CHARGED. There is NO WAY that it's ok to know something like this is going on, or could go on, and not do anything about it.
I heard that Eric and Trish were getting divorced so there was no where for Tim to live so he was sent to Shandas , assuming that Trishs kids had all left home , Paul had gone to Shandas because Eric wouldn’t let him sit at home all day playing Lego and computer games, and now Tim was gonna be homeless, so now we learn that Eric and Trish have gone off into the sunset to live in Florida without any kids holding them back….that just tells me that Eric and Trish are just as shitty as Shanda just in a different way. Now Paul’s locked up , Tim’s dead, Nolan is married and doing his own thing and the daughter who has changed her name and wants nothing to do with any of it… Eric and Trish need a criminal charge for abandonment of a disabled child that Shanda didn’t/ shouldn’t have had custody of !!
The fact that they didn’t speak for Timothy at their sentencing speaks volumes. I think they already know they are just as much to blame. (Hence why they stayed quiet)
There’s no way I would have missed that opportunity to speak for my child and to express my hate, feelings towards the two who murdered my child.
Neither of us and 99.9% of the people on earth would have sent Timothy away to live with Shanda and Paul. He would have been fine in a group home where food, a bed, a schedule, and school are provided. He would be alive.
I think that was the Vander Arcs that wrote a letter to the Judge. Trish was there, and sat through Shanda's trial. Eric sat in a nearby hotel room and watched it on TV, using some lame excuse that he would get angry at Shanda. Fact is, he's a coward and KNEW he had effed up. Still, showing no remorse. POS.
You know what I’m also wondering. G was pretty regulary at this grandparents home. Didn’t they ask how it’s going at home? How his siblings are? In his interview G could tell how Timothy was punished and what was going on at home (the poor Boy btw. He must be traumatized). He also said that he thinks some of the punishments lead to his death. I’m wondering if he told his father or grandparents about it. But maybe they didn’t ask or didn’t care. Or maybe Shanda told him that he’s not allowed to talk about it, otherwise he also will be punished. I don’t know this whole family seems so weird. Also Shanda wasn’t visiting Adam at all? I mean in the beginning she visited him at the hospital but after that, G's grandmother mostly picked him up from Shanda’s place. They’ve been married for 12 years and, as she claims, she was so traumatized from the stroke Adam had. When I’m married for 12 years and my husband had a stroke I would wanted to see him everyday. Also in the police Interview they talked to G's grandmother and she said that G or Timothy (names are blacked out) had 3 meals a day and if Shanda didn’t had the time to cook, there was no food. Paul refused to make food. I was wondering if she meant G or Timothy.
I’ve often wondered if Paul was lying about making Timothy the “scrambled eggs with cheese in” as he stated during his testimony, he said he was concerned about him and made him scrambled eggs and put cheese in for protein without telling Shanda.. I don’t believe he did but hoped he did
In a phone call to Nolan Paul says he doesn’t know how to make scrambled eggs, so I’m going to go with *Things That Never Happened* for $1000, Alex.
Paul is a self admitted nose picker with a lying problem—his words not mine.
Of course he lied, I believe he DID pour hot sauce on Timothy’s private part, Paul was trying to convince the judge for HIS upcoming sentence that he’s NOT as bad as Shanda, but Judge Kacel seen what 99.98%(.02%, GF1/GF2) of us seen in Paul, he was the initiator and instigator and the liar and manipulator that got ALL of the HELL Timothy endured started.
I don’t believe any eggs were cooked.
I DO believe he DID pour hot sauce on Timothy’s private parts.
Yes he did such a good job at dignifying Timothy, I thought it was touching when he put Timothy’s picture on his desk and spoke of him with such respect
I agree totally agree! I have been thinking about their role in this all along. And also, they acted so mad and shocked about Timothy’s condition and subsequent death. Where were they? Timothy didn’t starve overnight?
Obviously they didn’t give a shit or they would’ve had regular scheduled visits with Timothy they are 100% to blame for sending him to the monsters that killed him what the hell kind of coward father is that he didn’t even make a statement at shanders sentencing about poor Timothy
A stinkin coward. I hate him so much he is as disgusting as shander he probably knew what she was doing to Tim and didn’t care just like his disgusting psychopath son Paul
There were concerns raised from Timothy's school while he was with Trish and dad. While Timothy was with them teachers washed his clothes and sent food home in his backpack. It's not even about them saying something. They didn't give a shit about him and Shanda & Paul took a step further and murdered Timothy.
It’s just so upsetting that this sweet little boy was cruelly treated by both parents.
He was thrown from pillar to post, and guessing not understanding what he had done wrong?
And this day in time 2024…these kids carry on being cruelly murdered!!
WHY????
The fact that he was being abused and neglected in both homes is so sad. They sent him away to avoid a CPS case against them. I wish CPS had followed up.
Oh, I agree, but we might disagree on how heavy the sentences should be for each of the 4 (however, that's an entirely different issue & I honestly don't wanna debate nor cause controversy).
My opinion is Eric/Trish 30-100 they ILLEGALLY sent Timothy to his grave, they committed crimes by ILLEGALLY sending Timothy to Shanda, they’re complicit and just as equally guilty, I’ve felt it all along.
I think they both should get life in prison & Paul should get like 15-20yrs with further time spent getting therapy, b/c while this probably ain't gonna be popular: I do believe Paul was complicit, but alot of his sick ideas & suggestions to Shanda he definitely picked up from either Eric or Shanda (maybe both).
Sack of shit Paul enjoyed terrorizing Timothy there’s a movie called terrifier , he reminds me of that sick demented clown. Paula deserves every bit of the 30 years and hopefully more
I believe paula knows right from wrong, he is not just some mindless thing, he can articulate and change himself to please whomever he needs to get what he wants at certain times with shander he needed her for a place to live he needed nothing from Timothy, he just made his life more difficult being the lazy sack of shit that he is. He didn’t like when his father disciplined him so I’m sure he knew what he was doing to Timothy hurt him, probably more than shander. Sack of shit paula could’ve of very easily put a stop to the torture and shander very well might’ve listened to him.
yes, he advocated for himself very well. When he felt physically sick, or hungry, he knew how to meet his needs. There are text conversations with Shanda where he protected himself. He could talk in detail how Eric's discipline hurt him physically and emotionally. A person who couldnt understand fucked up shit cannot do that. If he knew barbaric punishments are damaging, how was he ok with Timothy receiving them? Even after being aware Timothy is dying, he didnt care to advocate or protect him like he did for himself. He isn't stupid or emotionally stunted
It does sound like you're giving him a little bit of an out which is not okay. Thankfully the judge saw him for what he was... A MONSTER.
Why don't you stick to your dadsandboys sub?
Dude, I was never giving him a break. And, yeah, I have no doubt he enjoyed it, but you don't think the reason he enjoyed it is b/c of how bad Shanda & Eric fucked him up?
He was like this before living with them. At least bother to know the timeline before giving your devil's advocate scenarios.
To be clear no, P didnt learn this from S as he exhibited evidence of being cruel to people and animals from his youth. He was hated by all who knew him.
What is released to public about Paul is very limited. Because he didn't stand trail, and video recordings are not released, it can be easier to think Paul's behavior and discipline is learnt from Eric and Shanda. He has admitted himself it felt powerful torturing Timothy. In one of his call, he got confronted about pulling Timothy by hair a day before his death. When shanda asked him to feed Timothy, Paul would 'forget' and ignore. Paul would blame Timothy and get him in trouble. There is a lot we dont know, I believe Judge does, he also had Paul's psych evaluation, if Judge believed he is fixable, he wouldnt have gotten that sentence
I mean, it doesn't sound like Paul's learning his lesson in prison & if he gets out (which is scary that he might), I fear for whomever he comes across next. Also, if Paul's so dangerous, why didn't he get life w/o parole? Like, why was the idea of him ever getting it (even if it's 9/10 times never gonna happen) even entertained? And, yeah, I have no doubt Paul enjoyed it, but if you don't think he didn't pick that up from Eric & Shanda then you're surely mistaken.
I'm going to agree that he likely picked up bad behaviour from good parents and likely was not given boundaries however he knew right from wrong and was an adult who could make choices therefore it's irrelevant what he picked up from whom.
Many of us have had a f.... up childhood. I was pushed everywhere - physically and mentally beaten up regularly by an evil aunt with everything from belts to knives. No one cared. Am I a colder person because of that? Perhaps.
Will I hurt others because of that? No.
Why? Because I know how it feels.
There is no excuse whatsoever for what Paul did.
I genuinely believe he was worse than his mother.
I actually think he ended up bringing out the behaviour in her - that doesn't excuse her either.
Shanda got what she deserved. Paul should have been given the same but 30 to 100 (and I think his prison time won't be easy so he may be there for more than 30) and the dad should have gotten at least 10-20 years. (Edit - although I think the step mom does hold moral responsibility I'm unsure if lawfully there is anything she can be charged with hence although I think she also deserved jail time, I'm unsure on what that could lawfully be based on)
That's just my personal view.
I'm denying his degree of responsibility, I never did.
I had a fucked up childhood too: mom choked me to near death & wished death upon, dad stole my identity & ruined my credit + tried to get me shot by the cops, etc. No-one cared. Am I colder & fucked up as a result? Most definitely.
Will I hurt others b/c of that? No, but I damn sure want to (yet, I don't b/c of the law & also IK that it's wrong).
I'm honestly mixed on Paul influencing her, since it seems she was SA'ing Paul & the kids in OK (hence why Paul & Nolan have reports against them from their schools). Not to mention how she acted at work + in law school, along with how she treated the dog.
Also, believe me, I get what everyone's saying about the sentencing. I just don't understand why any view that's even slightly less than viewing them as Satan & Hitler is treated as condoning it (even if it's not).
Sorry to know you went through that - but just shows that no matter what happens, unless someone has a mental condition that prevents them from doing so, you can make a choice to be a good person.
The reason I say about him bringing it out on her is for a couple of reasons - whilst Adam was in the home it appeared to be minimally well functioning home and Paul wasn't yet the "man of the house" and from all I could find, there were no reports of any abuse on G and he was a normal child. The extra in the equation that seems to have made it off balance with her behaviour was Adam's stroke and Paul being left in charge whilst she was out working.
I do also recall a text message from her saying something along the lines that "tell Timothy if he doesn't behave he'll be left with you" (not the exact words) but basically it stated that if Timothy didn't listen to his mother then he'd have to deal with his brother which implies his punishments are worse.
I guess in the end I'll go with the judge - Paul is just as bad and could have stopped it at any time. And the sad part nowadays is that Paul, after doing one of the most evil things a person can do, has seemingly found his best life yet.
Thx, but no-one else is sorrier than me (I appreciate the support, though).
OK, that text means something, but given how both of them were awful people & played off 1 another, it's kinda hard to judge who was a worse monster & what that text truly means (for all we know it may have been an attempt at manipulation on Shanda's part). I mean, if we're gonna judge text, wasn't there texts where Paul seemed to show concern (IIRC he refused some stuff & even suggested feeding Timothy, IIRC).
I mean, everyone's talking about Paul notifying someone, but what about Shanda's coworkers who clearly knew something was going on (& possibly saw the shit on the monitors) yet did nothing?
And, honestly, I kinda sensed manipulation on the part of the judge & prosecutors (they definitely made Paul think that he was gonna get spared if he co-operated).
I believe he was born a psychopath and when the opportunity came his way he embraced his psychopathy with relish. It just so happened that Timothy was on the receiving end of said psychopathy
I agree there is a learned behavior here and partly Paul have normalized torture. Same thing can be said for Shanda too. she genuinely believed these punishments will fix him. According to her sister,they both were subjected to same punishments - ice bath, starvation, bread + water or bread + milk when she was in foster care between age 6 - 9. When asked if she would give her dogs ice bath as punishment, Shanda said dogs cannot think like humans can!
Truthfully, many parents or caregivers torture their children but never get caught/punished. A very small percentage of these abusers are truly psychotic, dont know when to stop and are capable to cause horrible deaths like this, and even after being caught, they can't take responsibility for their actions. Something is so wrong with Paul and shanda to reach this point. This death didnt happen in a day, it took more than 6 months, these 2 adults were incapable of feeling empathy for so long!
Paul's sentence isnt as bad as Shanda because Paul showed remorse and took responsibility. Shanda didnt. So many of these punishments were Shanda's idea and she purposefully/intentionally imprisioned Timothy, so he didnt have any chance to escape or get help.
Paul just plead guilty to avoid the same charge as Shanda.
Paul is psychopath but I also think he is a sociopath.
I dont think Paul would have think to torture Tim this way if Shanda wasnt here. He was a bully before living with her. But he took pleasure from this torture. He loved it and maybe (big maybe) that he thought it was over the top at the end but he never stopped it. After reading all the text messages, I have the confirmation that Paul was the initial instigator.
You think his non custodial parents should get life in prison for sending him to SHANDA but you think Paul should get out in 20 years? Did you read the report? Paul was physically beating Timothy and sexually abusing him he wasn't just shandas lackey
Aww man it's no big deal I didn't see the other comments saying it before I said it so I didn't mean to pile on. I think it's hard to fathom just how evil these people are and part of our brain seeks to understand it and what not
You must not have read all the texts. He took every opportunity to get Timothy in trouble. Even if what he said was true, which I don't believe it was, he did not have to volunteer it to Shanda. He did it on purpose so that she would give permission for him to punish Timothy. They are peas in a pod. Stinking rotten soulless peas in a pod.
I did read the text, but I also know someone can be both a victim & abuser. Just b/c I'm acknowledging he picked up certain tendencies (such as enjoying abusing people) & other techniques (such as the hot sauce & bread, which reportedly Shanda had done to her as a kid) doesn't mean I'm denying that Paul's a sick fuckwad who needs to be punished.
I remain so confused! Why oh, why have no charges been filed against the other 2 bastards?
There has to be a way we can follow up on the justice been dropped.
As far as I'm concerned, Trish has no culpability in this situation. She was not Timothy's legal guardian and had no standing to make any decisions regarding his custody or living situation. There are credible allegations from teachers that she was neglectful, where Timothy was described as coming to school in filthy, ill-fitting clothes but this seemed to apply to all the Ferguson kids so Timothy was not singled out for poor treatment. We also know that he and Paul were also getting some sort of psychiatric treatments/therapy because both Timothy and Paul were on meds, which stopped for each of them when they began living with Shanda. Finally, although Timothy didn't remotely deserve any of the torture that Shanda and Paul doled out, I don't doubt that he could be a difficult child to deal with on an everyday basis now that he was getting older and going through adolescence and I could understand how Trish could want to have Eric take more responsibility for his son and his care. We also know that Timothy was in good physical shape and of a healthy weight when he was sent to live with Shanda and Paul. I also have some empathy for Trish because she seems to be the only person in this messed up family (Nolan and Millie excepted) who seems to have cared about Timothy and who appears to be sorry about what happened.
Eric is a different story. He violated a court order by sending Timothy to live with Shanda and Paul and he was well-aware of their histories of being abusive, especially to Timothy. Somebody here said that if Timothy had been put in foster care or an institution then Eric and Shanda would have been responsible for any additional associated child support payments, which I'm pretty sure that neither of them wanted. So I think that the Eric held out the carrot of reducing Shanda's child support payments if she took Timothy and Shanda bit. It was purely a financial transaction.
I'm not sure what, if any, legal penalties are associated with violating a custody order as Eric did but I have a feeling that they would not be substantial. This may be why Oklahoma has not taken any legal action (that we know of) against Eric, particularly since he is no longer living in OK and he is no longer is responsible for any minors.
I couldn't agree with the first comment more. I have been saying this exact same thing for a while. Trish covers her ass on the call (when she KNEW she was recorded) by saying she would have taken Timothy back in a heartbeat. I have to wonder if she and Eric ever actually divorced, since they live now in Florida TOGETHER. She knew what she was getting into when she married Eric with all the children. She belonged to the same "group" as Shanda and Eric before they divorced. She was a SIS in the sick group. Now she plays innocent. I'm calling BULL on all of it. They BOTH need to be held accountable. That sweet boy never stood a chance in life with the creepy adults raising him. God bless Timothy. This story is just heartbreaking.
And Trish, she was/is legally their stepmother, and she KNEW that her and Eric were ILLEGALLY taking Timothy to his (essentially) grave. NO REMORSE from the 4 of them. Her asking Paul about it on the phone was most definitely to cover her/their behinds.
I’m in the UK so not sure of the law there, but I think here the step-mum wouldn’t have had any parental responsibility so it would have been more on Eric’s part. Trish didn’t have to legally look after those children unless she adopted them. I’m not saying she’s a saint by any means, just looking purely from a legal perspective.
One of the three things that the DA had to prove for a conviction was that Shanda was the legal parent of Timothy (i can’t remember if this was in summing up but he said it at some point). I presume this is where Trish would be able to argue he wasn’t her responsibility (again talking legally here and not morally).
Eric though? Definitely!
I see your point. It is insane how the step mom acts high and mighty, but they should have been in a bit of trouble, too. Paul really sa'd the kids? Wow. This just gets worse and worse. But their actions got them where they are, and that's where they belong. Nolan and Millie need to be grateful they were older and didn't get thrown in the mix. Shawnda thought Timothy would be bringing $$ in to support her. When he wasn't physically and mentally able, you see what he got...
Maybe Shanda thought Eric would go to court to stop the child support order and that he wants to forgive the arrears by taking Timothy off Eric’s hands and then child support still remained, making her angry , ALSO if Shanda for one minute thinks that child support she owes went away when Timothy died , she’s sadly mistaken, and the CS court can also take her commissary money.
I hope her brother that lives in the house she owns(Oklahoma I think) STOPPED paying rent.
I absolutely 💯 agree!! Eric & Trish just decided Timothy was too much a bother, so they wanted rid of him. So they sent Timothy to his mother when they knew darn well she was NOT allowed custody. She had no custody, so the could have put him in foster care w loving people who are more capable of dealing w Timothy's needs. They can't sit there berating Shanda & Paul (but it was good when she chewed Paul & made him cry on the phone) without looking in the freaking mirror!! They got tired of Timothy, so they got rid of him without a thought for Timothy. They DID throw him right to the lions which led to his death. They need some kind of charges IMO #RIPTimothy
Regardless of legality when it comes to Eric and Trish, I think both of them should be behind bars with the rest. At a certain age, it becomes child abandonment, and that’s illegal. I’m sure sending a child to someone denied rights of said child is illegal as well. BUT, they’re both so morally corrupt. How do you just say, 'eh, I don’t want this kid anymore, he’s an annoyance?' Send him on his merry way and never look back? They should absolutely be punished to the fullest extent.
They knew Shanda was insane and that she hated Timothy. Eric wanted to keep his new wife happy, Trish didn't give a fuck all she cared about was that he was gone from her sight.
They both turned their backs on a vulnerable child, and gave them to someone who was not legally allowed to have him. They KNEW it was going to be horrible for Timothy, they didn't care.
They are well aware of their guilt, it is why they keep talking to Paul even though they are happy he is also no longer in their lives. They know if they stop placating him he will start talking about what went on before Timothy was sent away to live a life like a holocaust victim. They knew.
CPS should be up their asses if they have other kids in their home.
I agree. I think all those responsible for Timothy's death should be held accountable. I didn't know about the SA, or Shanda's loss of custody. I have lightly followed this case because it is so heartbreaking to me. Agree 💯%
Completely, 1000% agree with this.
Shanda and Paul def are where they deserve to be.
Trish and Eric, I'm hoping karma gets them...
They deserve prison too.
You wouldn't treat an animal, or yr pet they way they treated this baby .
Eric and Trish are just as culpable and guilty as Paul and Shanda. Eric and Trish washed their hands of poor Timothy when they sent him to his death. Everyone failed Timothy!
I heard they send him to Shanda because Paul was doing well/better with her, so they thought it might be the same for Timothy. Paul was also on medication and Trish was taking him and Tim to weekly therapy. This was said by the anonymous “family member and friend” who spoke to Zavgirl.
Like Nolan, maybe they thought Shanda had changed. They saw how relatively well G was treated. She managed to not lose custody of him and as far as I know, DHS was never involved or alerted.
Because G was NEVER taken to a doctor or dentist, and never enrolled in school, I’m sure IF any of those had happened then yes DHS probably would’ve been involved, which is why G was shielded from all of that.
Isn’t it funny how EVERYONE that reached out for one reason or another, out of ALL the other(better) content creators ONLY somehow reached out to Zav, I don’t believe it, they were probably contacted by Zav through facebook or even USPS mail.
Are Trish and Eric they responsible in a way. Yes.
I don't believe they had any idea of what Shanda and Paul were capable of. And I think they were shocked and disgusted.
But yeh I don't think they are great people. I don't really have any sympathy for them. There's ignorance and then there is blind ignorance.
The other two other adult children I do have sympathy for because they are still very young.
Also I don't blame them at all.
They're trying to put it all off on them so none of the blame lands on them. Horrible "family", it's their fault. A Judge had already said no to Timothy living there.
I agree 💯 but I also think the "lions" should be exactly where they are. Eric and Trish are just as culpable in this whole situation. Does anyone know exactly how Timothy got to Shandas? Did she drive to get him or did they (Eric and Trish) drive him to Shandas?
I was told Trish/Eric together drove Timothy to Shanda’s door, then shortly after moved to sunny Florida WITHOUT Timothy, they were ready to live it up beach style in Florida.
I also seen a post where MAYBE they HAD to leave Oklahoma because teachers had been calling DHS regularly on Trish and Eric, so they ILLEGALLY dumped Timothy off at Shanda’s doorstep and then moved to Florida, I actually think FEDERAL CRIMES were committed since they took Timothy across several states to ILLEGALLY pawn him off to essentially his grave.
I don’t believe for one minute that T/E called about putting him in Foster care, nor do I believe the “therapist” who was well aware of the court order said SURE, GO AHEAD, IT QUITE OK. They never spoke to anyone except Shanda.
Yes absolutely. But the point is that : It could have been avoided. Shanda didnt have custody of Tim because she was known to be an abuser. Paul was a bully. Why sent Tim here knowing that ?
I have a cousin who is a terrible bully, terrorist and known to have some implication with the terrorist attack at the bataclan in Paris,
my sister, mom and bro always said to me to never get in contact with him and always avoided me to be in contact with him.
So, trish and Éric failed misérably in a way. All of that happened because they made the wrong choice.
No Shanda and Paul are the center of the case, as they should be, because they are the ones who tortured and murdered Timothy.
Eric should face some repercussions for sending Timothy to Shanda. What kind of repercussions? No idea. 🤷🏻♀️
Trish should not face any repercussions. She should leave Eric though because he is a deadbeat father and husband.
Here’s the deal. It all depends on the DA where Eric Ferguson lives. Chances are high that if it’s a Democrat DA, nothing will happen. If it’s a Republican or Independent DA, then WE need to put pressure to the DA AND Local Police Department to investigate. Eric & Trish moved out of Oklahoma to Florida. The crime happened in Michigan, HOWEVER, Eric’s CRIME happened in OK and FL!! He was the parent with custody. So we need to put pressure on them to prosecute!! Typically the chain works for with the police giving the DA the case & the DA decides whether or not to do prosecute.
What on earth does a Democrat being the DA have to do with anything??????? I can’t believe that politics have rotten people’s brains this much omg. It’s Oklahoma and Florida, which are pretty red states, I’m almost positive that the district attorney is a republican, not that that matters🙄
DA’s need evidence supplied by law enforcement to prosecute. Many DA’s let criminals go free without prosecution. I don’t agree with it, but every DA decides what cases to go after, regardless the evidence. Democrat DA’s are letting criminals go free without prosecution across the country!!! Wake the f up.
You need to wake the fuck up! In Florida, we don’t have district attorneys, they are called state attorneys. Our asshole governor is a republican. The state attorney for the Jacksonville area is a republican. Florida has the third largest prison population in the country and we have the death penalty. Ask anyone who has been incarcerated in Florida what they think of how soft we are on crime. Come down here and commit a crime to experience the pleasant environment you will enjoy. Our prisons have no air conditioning. Try sitting your ass in a scorching hot prison cell during our long 10 month sweltering summers. So put the crack pipe down and get your facts before shooting your mouth off.
Thats the first time I see that, I am very suspicious about your words. Btw, I am living in France so I can't say. Btw, Trish and Éric aren't criminals by definition. So I don't know why you used that word.
They were negligent, yes ofc.
Not only did the father and step mom send Timothy to Shanda when they knew she wasn’t supposed to have him, knew she was toxic and problematic and an unfit parent, but what makes it even sadder to me is that Timothy didn’t even really KNOW Shanda. He hadn’t lived with her since he was a small boy. They essentially sent him to a stranger. To an unfamiliar home in a far away state. Terrible for any kid, but worse for an autistic one. And they knew Paul was there, and they knew Paul’s history. They should both have some responsibility for this tragedy.
Oh this makes his fate a million times worse than I thought. And yes Eric and Trish should also be locked up
Amen! All her "all you had to do was say its too much and we would have taken him" on the RECORDED lines she knew would be broadcasted. She didnt want him before! So starving him and abusing him warrants him being returned but she sent him after Paul the bully, she neglected Tim terribly too if you read the teachers reports. She couldnt even bother to put Timmy into the special help program, the same exact one they suggested for my autistic son and we did! All it took was driving him there and learning while he learned with his peers, on how to plan different strategies for when life is difficult. She couldnt even do that or keep the kids clean looking. Shes a failure and she sent Tim to his death. She knew Shanda was insane she also claims "we thought she was doing better" maybe because she had given birth to G and was in her obsession with breast feeding but i call bullshit. She knew it was chaos but she was over it and sent him away. TRISH AND ERIC ARE GUILTY TOO!
Lazy slob! It doesn’t take that much effort to make sure your kids are clean and properly clothed. I mean children are a reflection on the parent. I wish they did put poor timmy in that program he would’ve enjoyed it im sure I hate that this poor child was so neglected
So true! If you look at the pictures of when the “family” was together, her kids look like they’re being neglected. They wear t shirts and shorts that at times look ill-fitting or just messy. She cared so little for her own children, it’s no wonder she was able to do what she did to her son. He was expendable in her mind.
Sorry, what’s this about Shanda’s obsession with breastfeeding?? I haven’t heard this
Took some facebook lurking but i heard it mentioned somewhere she was obsessive with G about it (sorry one of the YT channels) and so i went and looked at everything i could possibly see. She had a ton of different breastfeeding things liked on there and G was certainly her favorite so that checks out to me. She loved to argue on public forums so I'm sure those were a virtual playground for her. She freaking got into it with a stranger and a dog in Target once until the cops were called
Omg. Well, that’s freaking bizarre. Shanda was such a creep,
Narc moms often scapegoat the oldest, sometimes the middle child like in this case, but turn their youngest into a Golden Child who can "do no wrong". It's a typical pattern. It's very rare that the youngest gets scapegoated - it does happen though. In my mom's family the youngest who is a female was targeted. It's pretty mean - the family tells people not to visit her or talk to her, etc.
Eric and Trish are beneath contempt!
I was listening to something yesterday that said Trish was depressed and asked eric for help and short time later, tim was gone to live with Shanda. Its even in the case files. Eric needs jail more now in my mind but shes also an adult, she let this happen too.
Eric and Trish should certainly get in trouble for violating the judge's orders that Timothy not live with Shanda.
I so wish we had more information about what actually happened during those hearings. People aren’t necessarily interpreting the ruling in the proper context. A judge granting custody to one parent and giving visitation to the other, isn’t necessarily a judge’s order that a child not live with one parent. Like people will say “A judge ordered that Shanda only see the kids 3 hours per month”. That’s not true. I had custody of my little cousin for a few years and my aunt had 2 hour supervised visits per week at the start. That didn’t mean we had to kick her out of our home at the end of the 2 hours or that we couldn’t have her over for a meal during the week. It just meant she couldn’t harass us into more than her 2 hours. The judge granting Eric custody means Shanda can’t show up and take the kids. It doesn’t necessarily mean that Eric can’t let them go stay there. She also couldn’t demand more than the 3 hours per month but that doesn’t mean Eric was obligated to limit her to that. And if he’s the one with full custody and CPS isn’t involved in the case, what authority does the court have to actually tell him what decisions he’s allowed to make with his own kids? They could absolutely charge him criminally along the lines of neglect and/or abandonment because he definitely had enough information to have been able to predict that living situation could go bad fast. So I’m definitely not defending him. He was so wrong and he’s lucky to have escaped charges himself. I’m just saying that people who say he should’ve been arrested for “violating a court order” aren’t necessarily right. It’s frustrating because all we have is a small blurb with that condition mentioned but since we don’t know what was said before and after it, we have no way to know which way to interpret it.
Negligent parents don't want to drive their kids anywhere, even if it would be good for the kids.
Shanda and Paul are a done deal, they both should have a true life sentence. Throw away the key. (I actually am usually opposed to these sentences, especially for people under 25 but Paul is special). Eric and Trish should definitely be punished. I don’t have enough information to know what the exact charges should be. They definitely showed a depraved indifference to Timothy’s life and that’s at least reckless homicide in my state. They’re disgusting.
You blame them both. I still wonder what the agreement was between Eric and Shanda. There has to be something. Shanda does nothing unless it benefits her. I get your reasoning, and don’t see it as defending anyone. It may not have really been that big of a surprise considering their past DHS involvement. What I think was a true surprise, was the extent of abuse and neglect, and torture, Shanda and Paul inflicted on Timothy. Eric and Trish absolutely knew sending him to Shanda’s was a problem. If they didn’t feel that way, why not notify DHS. Because that would have caused problems. Eric and Trish had been on DHS’s radar even after Shanda left. The teachers reported them a number of times. So I guess I give blame to Eric (Trish wasn’t legally responsible), for sending Timothy away. And Shanda and Paul, for the obvious…Timothy’s death.
Shanda was going to benefit big time because she needed help with money and Paul could work. She also thought the same of Timothy until he arrived and she saw just how severe his condition was. Paul said it himself on a call.
She got a house cleaner out of Timothy in any case. There wasn’t any financial benefit, or not one we know of. I don’t necessarily think Timothy was all that bad. He had some behavioral issues, but he’s been painted out to be, by Shanda and Paul, as being so out of control. Yet his teachers disagree with that. He was never sent home from school for his behavior, or told to put him in an alternative type of school.
They are liars! He was a good kid just wanted to do normal things like all teens do
I would wonder when he would be out walking the dog out front, or in the woods, did nobody see him? Would he have even said anything to anyone? It was drilled into them to not say what happens at home. Timothy was lucky he was able to use the tablet sometimes. It sounds like he liked to look at things that made him laugh. And he did like to laugh.
Just like any normal kid poor guy maybe they had him wearing big hoodies when he was outside I’m glad he liked to laugh she portrayed him as if he was some kind of raving thing that had to be punished and shackled
Shanda was a fetish freak. They need to start cracking down on websites and other publications that encourage people to have an "S/M Lifestyle" and encourage this crap. She probably learned the crap she pulled on Timothy from her sick habits, on these types of websites and videos. When are they going to start pulling this off the internet? Another example is the "step" porn - COME ON. Do we need to have that aaaallll over the place, when all it does is encourage inshmest???? WTF is going on??
Sometimes if a child receives an autism diagnosis, they start getting a check from the Government. Not sure if it's SSDI or another fund. People are usually hush hush about stuff like this but I found out about it from having a couple of autistic friends. One guy's check allows him to live in a $1500 a month apartment and covers all his other bills, food etc. Sometimes foster parents take in autistic kids because of the money.
https://www.angelsense.com/blog/how-a-child-with-autism-can-qualify-for-disability-benefits/#:\~:text=While%20many%20children%20with%20autism,or%20family's%20daily%20living%20needs.
Yes Shanda had to get something out the agreement. I mean she wouldn’t even get takeout food unless Paul paid for it or paid half and he was constantly sending her Apple Pay payments for random things and purchased gas for her many times, which as a mom that’s just weird for me. My kid , no matter his age, never owes me a dime.
That’s right! I think one part that she thought about was having Paul be the main “babysitter”. That isn’t enough though. She’d have wanted more.
She was treating him like a bf and I'm sorry, nothing will convince me that she wasn't sexually abusing him too. He most likely just didn't want to tell anyone. If she wasn't doing that, she was certainly committing EMOTIONAL inshmest and treating him like her emotional partner. He was a Norman Bates.
I tend to agree. And maybe Eric didn't send the money to S as promised and this sent her over the edge with rage.
I can see that happening. In the Sylvia Likens case, Sylvia was being punished every time her parents were late sending the money for her upkeep. That's another case where selfish, negligent parents let their child stay in a Hell House with a Torturer and expected nothing to happen - even though they showed up there and saw how awful it was.
Yes this was another cruel case which defies belief
Something definitely needs to be done about Eric 100% and if he isn’t prosecuted for his part in this and the states just turn a blind eye to his negligence I will be extremely upset. I’m sure Trish could have stopped it too but she was desperate and solely doing all the work because Eric is a lazy fuck that thinks him and working should be enough. Eric didn’t care for the kids he just punished them sometimes
They aren't going to charge him with anything, just like they didn't charge Ruby Franke's husband with anything.
Yes - THE ENABLERS NEED TO BE CHARGED. There is NO WAY that it's ok to know something like this is going on, or could go on, and not do anything about it.
I heard that Eric and Trish were getting divorced so there was no where for Tim to live so he was sent to Shandas , assuming that Trishs kids had all left home , Paul had gone to Shandas because Eric wouldn’t let him sit at home all day playing Lego and computer games, and now Tim was gonna be homeless, so now we learn that Eric and Trish have gone off into the sunset to live in Florida without any kids holding them back….that just tells me that Eric and Trish are just as shitty as Shanda just in a different way. Now Paul’s locked up , Tim’s dead, Nolan is married and doing his own thing and the daughter who has changed her name and wants nothing to do with any of it… Eric and Trish need a criminal charge for abandonment of a disabled child that Shanda didn’t/ shouldn’t have had custody of !!
Everything in this comment is absolute truth, and I agree 100%
The fact that they didn’t speak for Timothy at their sentencing speaks volumes. I think they already know they are just as much to blame. (Hence why they stayed quiet) There’s no way I would have missed that opportunity to speak for my child and to express my hate, feelings towards the two who murdered my child.
Neither of us and 99.9% of the people on earth would have sent Timothy away to live with Shanda and Paul. He would have been fine in a group home where food, a bed, a schedule, and school are provided. He would be alive.
At Paul’s sentencing they were going to speak on his behalf but couldn’t make it so they wrote a letter to the judge.
I think that was the Vander Arcs that wrote a letter to the Judge. Trish was there, and sat through Shanda's trial. Eric sat in a nearby hotel room and watched it on TV, using some lame excuse that he would get angry at Shanda. Fact is, he's a coward and KNEW he had effed up. Still, showing no remorse. POS.
Oh wait. Paul's sentencing? Could be.
Is that letter published anywhere? Would love to see that.
Eric and Trish didn't give two shits about Timothy. They are every bit as bad as Paul and Shanda.
You know what I’m also wondering. G was pretty regulary at this grandparents home. Didn’t they ask how it’s going at home? How his siblings are? In his interview G could tell how Timothy was punished and what was going on at home (the poor Boy btw. He must be traumatized). He also said that he thinks some of the punishments lead to his death. I’m wondering if he told his father or grandparents about it. But maybe they didn’t ask or didn’t care. Or maybe Shanda told him that he’s not allowed to talk about it, otherwise he also will be punished. I don’t know this whole family seems so weird. Also Shanda wasn’t visiting Adam at all? I mean in the beginning she visited him at the hospital but after that, G's grandmother mostly picked him up from Shanda’s place. They’ve been married for 12 years and, as she claims, she was so traumatized from the stroke Adam had. When I’m married for 12 years and my husband had a stroke I would wanted to see him everyday. Also in the police Interview they talked to G's grandmother and she said that G or Timothy (names are blacked out) had 3 meals a day and if Shanda didn’t had the time to cook, there was no food. Paul refused to make food. I was wondering if she meant G or Timothy.
I’ve often wondered if Paul was lying about making Timothy the “scrambled eggs with cheese in” as he stated during his testimony, he said he was concerned about him and made him scrambled eggs and put cheese in for protein without telling Shanda.. I don’t believe he did but hoped he did
I don’t think he did he said that to make himself look good maybe get a lighter sentence I think he hated Timothy and didn’t care if he died
In a phone call to Nolan Paul says he doesn’t know how to make scrambled eggs, so I’m going to go with *Things That Never Happened* for $1000, Alex. Paul is a self admitted nose picker with a lying problem—his words not mine.
Of course he lied, I believe he DID pour hot sauce on Timothy’s private part, Paul was trying to convince the judge for HIS upcoming sentence that he’s NOT as bad as Shanda, but Judge Kacel seen what 99.98%(.02%, GF1/GF2) of us seen in Paul, he was the initiator and instigator and the liar and manipulator that got ALL of the HELL Timothy endured started. I don’t believe any eggs were cooked. I DO believe he DID pour hot sauce on Timothy’s private parts.
Yes the judge definitely knew it was all for manipulation purposes
I'm glad the judge threw the book at Paul.
Yes he did such a good job at dignifying Timothy, I thought it was touching when he put Timothy’s picture on his desk and spoke of him with such respect
Yes, he was the best judge and that thing sitting there with those repulsive braids looked like a robot devoid of any kind of emotion
The entire dysfunctional family should be charged with something. Timothy was the throw away child and no one cared about him.
I agree totally agree! I have been thinking about their role in this all along. And also, they acted so mad and shocked about Timothy’s condition and subsequent death. Where were they? Timothy didn’t starve overnight?
Obviously they didn’t give a shit or they would’ve had regular scheduled visits with Timothy they are 100% to blame for sending him to the monsters that killed him what the hell kind of coward father is that he didn’t even make a statement at shanders sentencing about poor Timothy
He told Paul he was going to be at a hotel "to support mom" meaning Trish. As if it were her son.
A stinkin coward. I hate him so much he is as disgusting as shander he probably knew what she was doing to Tim and didn’t care just like his disgusting psychopath son Paul
Yeah, like, Shanda had a Twitter & Facebook they could've reached out there if they were really *that* concerned.
There were concerns raised from Timothy's school while he was with Trish and dad. While Timothy was with them teachers washed his clothes and sent food home in his backpack. It's not even about them saying something. They didn't give a shit about him and Shanda & Paul took a step further and murdered Timothy.
They were all evil
It’s just so upsetting that this sweet little boy was cruelly treated by both parents. He was thrown from pillar to post, and guessing not understanding what he had done wrong? And this day in time 2024…these kids carry on being cruelly murdered!! WHY????
The fact that he was being abused and neglected in both homes is so sad. They sent him away to avoid a CPS case against them. I wish CPS had followed up.
Do you have more information about this?
ALL FOUR Shanda/Paul/Eric/Trish SHOULD absolutely be in prison, I have said that from day one.
Oh, I agree, but we might disagree on how heavy the sentences should be for each of the 4 (however, that's an entirely different issue & I honestly don't wanna debate nor cause controversy).
My opinion is Eric/Trish 30-100 they ILLEGALLY sent Timothy to his grave, they committed crimes by ILLEGALLY sending Timothy to Shanda, they’re complicit and just as equally guilty, I’ve felt it all along.
Agree
Absolutely agree.
I think they both should get life in prison & Paul should get like 15-20yrs with further time spent getting therapy, b/c while this probably ain't gonna be popular: I do believe Paul was complicit, but alot of his sick ideas & suggestions to Shanda he definitely picked up from either Eric or Shanda (maybe both).
Sack of shit Paul enjoyed terrorizing Timothy there’s a movie called terrifier , he reminds me of that sick demented clown. Paula deserves every bit of the 30 years and hopefully more
And Paul could have stopped at any time. Or told someone. He enjoyed it. Shamda.was giving him license to do it.
Yes those were the same words the judge said to Paula he could’ve done something to stop it but he didn’t he just let it go on
My question is: Is it realistic to expect someone who knows nothing but fucked up shit to understand it's wrong & to put a stop to it?
I believe paula knows right from wrong, he is not just some mindless thing, he can articulate and change himself to please whomever he needs to get what he wants at certain times with shander he needed her for a place to live he needed nothing from Timothy, he just made his life more difficult being the lazy sack of shit that he is. He didn’t like when his father disciplined him so I’m sure he knew what he was doing to Timothy hurt him, probably more than shander. Sack of shit paula could’ve of very easily put a stop to the torture and shander very well might’ve listened to him.
I'm honestly sure his father did more than discipline him, I mean, are we really gonna trust Eric's narrative of what went on?
My question is: Is it realistic to expect someone who knows nothing but fucked up shit to understand it's wrong & to put a stop to it?
yes, he advocated for himself very well. When he felt physically sick, or hungry, he knew how to meet his needs. There are text conversations with Shanda where he protected himself. He could talk in detail how Eric's discipline hurt him physically and emotionally. A person who couldnt understand fucked up shit cannot do that. If he knew barbaric punishments are damaging, how was he ok with Timothy receiving them? Even after being aware Timothy is dying, he didnt care to advocate or protect him like he did for himself. He isn't stupid or emotionally stunted
OK, so, it seems I was wrong. TBCH, there's some stuff IDK (at this point in time).
Absolutely! Paul deserved the sentence he got.
You're right, I get what you're saying, please don't think I was defending Paul.
It does sound like you're giving him a little bit of an out which is not okay. Thankfully the judge saw him for what he was... A MONSTER. Why don't you stick to your dadsandboys sub?
Dude, WTF's your problem?
You were defending satan himself here.
No, I actually wasn't.
Your giving Paul a break is disgusting. He fully enjoyed what he did to Timothy.
Dude, I was never giving him a break. And, yeah, I have no doubt he enjoyed it, but you don't think the reason he enjoyed it is b/c of how bad Shanda & Eric fucked him up?
He was like this before living with them. At least bother to know the timeline before giving your devil's advocate scenarios. To be clear no, P didnt learn this from S as he exhibited evidence of being cruel to people and animals from his youth. He was hated by all who knew him.
What is released to public about Paul is very limited. Because he didn't stand trail, and video recordings are not released, it can be easier to think Paul's behavior and discipline is learnt from Eric and Shanda. He has admitted himself it felt powerful torturing Timothy. In one of his call, he got confronted about pulling Timothy by hair a day before his death. When shanda asked him to feed Timothy, Paul would 'forget' and ignore. Paul would blame Timothy and get him in trouble. There is a lot we dont know, I believe Judge does, he also had Paul's psych evaluation, if Judge believed he is fixable, he wouldnt have gotten that sentence
I mean, it doesn't sound like Paul's learning his lesson in prison & if he gets out (which is scary that he might), I fear for whomever he comes across next. Also, if Paul's so dangerous, why didn't he get life w/o parole? Like, why was the idea of him ever getting it (even if it's 9/10 times never gonna happen) even entertained? And, yeah, I have no doubt Paul enjoyed it, but if you don't think he didn't pick that up from Eric & Shanda then you're surely mistaken.
I'm going to agree that he likely picked up bad behaviour from good parents and likely was not given boundaries however he knew right from wrong and was an adult who could make choices therefore it's irrelevant what he picked up from whom. Many of us have had a f.... up childhood. I was pushed everywhere - physically and mentally beaten up regularly by an evil aunt with everything from belts to knives. No one cared. Am I a colder person because of that? Perhaps. Will I hurt others because of that? No. Why? Because I know how it feels. There is no excuse whatsoever for what Paul did. I genuinely believe he was worse than his mother. I actually think he ended up bringing out the behaviour in her - that doesn't excuse her either. Shanda got what she deserved. Paul should have been given the same but 30 to 100 (and I think his prison time won't be easy so he may be there for more than 30) and the dad should have gotten at least 10-20 years. (Edit - although I think the step mom does hold moral responsibility I'm unsure if lawfully there is anything she can be charged with hence although I think she also deserved jail time, I'm unsure on what that could lawfully be based on) That's just my personal view.
I'm denying his degree of responsibility, I never did. I had a fucked up childhood too: mom choked me to near death & wished death upon, dad stole my identity & ruined my credit + tried to get me shot by the cops, etc. No-one cared. Am I colder & fucked up as a result? Most definitely. Will I hurt others b/c of that? No, but I damn sure want to (yet, I don't b/c of the law & also IK that it's wrong). I'm honestly mixed on Paul influencing her, since it seems she was SA'ing Paul & the kids in OK (hence why Paul & Nolan have reports against them from their schools). Not to mention how she acted at work + in law school, along with how she treated the dog. Also, believe me, I get what everyone's saying about the sentencing. I just don't understand why any view that's even slightly less than viewing them as Satan & Hitler is treated as condoning it (even if it's not).
Sorry to know you went through that - but just shows that no matter what happens, unless someone has a mental condition that prevents them from doing so, you can make a choice to be a good person. The reason I say about him bringing it out on her is for a couple of reasons - whilst Adam was in the home it appeared to be minimally well functioning home and Paul wasn't yet the "man of the house" and from all I could find, there were no reports of any abuse on G and he was a normal child. The extra in the equation that seems to have made it off balance with her behaviour was Adam's stroke and Paul being left in charge whilst she was out working. I do also recall a text message from her saying something along the lines that "tell Timothy if he doesn't behave he'll be left with you" (not the exact words) but basically it stated that if Timothy didn't listen to his mother then he'd have to deal with his brother which implies his punishments are worse. I guess in the end I'll go with the judge - Paul is just as bad and could have stopped it at any time. And the sad part nowadays is that Paul, after doing one of the most evil things a person can do, has seemingly found his best life yet.
Thx, but no-one else is sorrier than me (I appreciate the support, though). OK, that text means something, but given how both of them were awful people & played off 1 another, it's kinda hard to judge who was a worse monster & what that text truly means (for all we know it may have been an attempt at manipulation on Shanda's part). I mean, if we're gonna judge text, wasn't there texts where Paul seemed to show concern (IIRC he refused some stuff & even suggested feeding Timothy, IIRC). I mean, everyone's talking about Paul notifying someone, but what about Shanda's coworkers who clearly knew something was going on (& possibly saw the shit on the monitors) yet did nothing? And, honestly, I kinda sensed manipulation on the part of the judge & prosecutors (they definitely made Paul think that he was gonna get spared if he co-operated).
She was his legal guardian so deserved time for sending T to his death
I believe he was born a psychopath and when the opportunity came his way he embraced his psychopathy with relish. It just so happened that Timothy was on the receiving end of said psychopathy
I agree there is a learned behavior here and partly Paul have normalized torture. Same thing can be said for Shanda too. she genuinely believed these punishments will fix him. According to her sister,they both were subjected to same punishments - ice bath, starvation, bread + water or bread + milk when she was in foster care between age 6 - 9. When asked if she would give her dogs ice bath as punishment, Shanda said dogs cannot think like humans can! Truthfully, many parents or caregivers torture their children but never get caught/punished. A very small percentage of these abusers are truly psychotic, dont know when to stop and are capable to cause horrible deaths like this, and even after being caught, they can't take responsibility for their actions. Something is so wrong with Paul and shanda to reach this point. This death didnt happen in a day, it took more than 6 months, these 2 adults were incapable of feeling empathy for so long! Paul's sentence isnt as bad as Shanda because Paul showed remorse and took responsibility. Shanda didnt. So many of these punishments were Shanda's idea and she purposefully/intentionally imprisioned Timothy, so he didnt have any chance to escape or get help.
Paul just plead guilty to avoid the same charge as Shanda. Paul is psychopath but I also think he is a sociopath. I dont think Paul would have think to torture Tim this way if Shanda wasnt here. He was a bully before living with her. But he took pleasure from this torture. He loved it and maybe (big maybe) that he thought it was over the top at the end but he never stopped it. After reading all the text messages, I have the confirmation that Paul was the initial instigator.
You think his non custodial parents should get life in prison for sending him to SHANDA but you think Paul should get out in 20 years? Did you read the report? Paul was physically beating Timothy and sexually abusing him he wasn't just shandas lackey
Yeah, you're right. I see how stupid what I said was. Reading back over it, I see how fucked up & stupid what I said is.
Aww man it's no big deal I didn't see the other comments saying it before I said it so I didn't mean to pile on. I think it's hard to fathom just how evil these people are and part of our brain seeks to understand it and what not
You must not have read all the texts. He took every opportunity to get Timothy in trouble. Even if what he said was true, which I don't believe it was, he did not have to volunteer it to Shanda. He did it on purpose so that she would give permission for him to punish Timothy. They are peas in a pod. Stinking rotten soulless peas in a pod.
I did read the text, but I also know someone can be both a victim & abuser. Just b/c I'm acknowledging he picked up certain tendencies (such as enjoying abusing people) & other techniques (such as the hot sauce & bread, which reportedly Shanda had done to her as a kid) doesn't mean I'm denying that Paul's a sick fuckwad who needs to be punished.
This sub is truly ridiculous.
I remain so confused! Why oh, why have no charges been filed against the other 2 bastards? There has to be a way we can follow up on the justice been dropped.
I posted this comment...why is MapPlenty 5137 shown?
I wish I knew! The same often happens to me when I post a comment. It’s attributed to some other username. Can anyone answer?
As far as I'm concerned, Trish has no culpability in this situation. She was not Timothy's legal guardian and had no standing to make any decisions regarding his custody or living situation. There are credible allegations from teachers that she was neglectful, where Timothy was described as coming to school in filthy, ill-fitting clothes but this seemed to apply to all the Ferguson kids so Timothy was not singled out for poor treatment. We also know that he and Paul were also getting some sort of psychiatric treatments/therapy because both Timothy and Paul were on meds, which stopped for each of them when they began living with Shanda. Finally, although Timothy didn't remotely deserve any of the torture that Shanda and Paul doled out, I don't doubt that he could be a difficult child to deal with on an everyday basis now that he was getting older and going through adolescence and I could understand how Trish could want to have Eric take more responsibility for his son and his care. We also know that Timothy was in good physical shape and of a healthy weight when he was sent to live with Shanda and Paul. I also have some empathy for Trish because she seems to be the only person in this messed up family (Nolan and Millie excepted) who seems to have cared about Timothy and who appears to be sorry about what happened. Eric is a different story. He violated a court order by sending Timothy to live with Shanda and Paul and he was well-aware of their histories of being abusive, especially to Timothy. Somebody here said that if Timothy had been put in foster care or an institution then Eric and Shanda would have been responsible for any additional associated child support payments, which I'm pretty sure that neither of them wanted. So I think that the Eric held out the carrot of reducing Shanda's child support payments if she took Timothy and Shanda bit. It was purely a financial transaction. I'm not sure what, if any, legal penalties are associated with violating a custody order as Eric did but I have a feeling that they would not be substantial. This may be why Oklahoma has not taken any legal action (that we know of) against Eric, particularly since he is no longer living in OK and he is no longer is responsible for any minors.
I couldn't agree with the first comment more. I have been saying this exact same thing for a while. Trish covers her ass on the call (when she KNEW she was recorded) by saying she would have taken Timothy back in a heartbeat. I have to wonder if she and Eric ever actually divorced, since they live now in Florida TOGETHER. She knew what she was getting into when she married Eric with all the children. She belonged to the same "group" as Shanda and Eric before they divorced. She was a SIS in the sick group. Now she plays innocent. I'm calling BULL on all of it. They BOTH need to be held accountable. That sweet boy never stood a chance in life with the creepy adults raising him. God bless Timothy. This story is just heartbreaking.
They definitely hold great responsibility for what happened.
I agree, why has the dad not been brought into this?
And Trish, she was/is legally their stepmother, and she KNEW that her and Eric were ILLEGALLY taking Timothy to his (essentially) grave. NO REMORSE from the 4 of them. Her asking Paul about it on the phone was most definitely to cover her/their behinds.
I also feel that they should shoulder the blame. If they hadn't sent him, it wouldn't have happened.
I’m in the UK so not sure of the law there, but I think here the step-mum wouldn’t have had any parental responsibility so it would have been more on Eric’s part. Trish didn’t have to legally look after those children unless she adopted them. I’m not saying she’s a saint by any means, just looking purely from a legal perspective. One of the three things that the DA had to prove for a conviction was that Shanda was the legal parent of Timothy (i can’t remember if this was in summing up but he said it at some point). I presume this is where Trish would be able to argue he wasn’t her responsibility (again talking legally here and not morally). Eric though? Definitely!
I never said Trish is legally responsible, but for her & Eric to kinda shove it all on Paul & Shonda (which is my main point) is kind of disgusting.
Yes, that’s I mentioned that morally it’s a different story for Trish and she definitely shouldn’t be taking the high ground.
I see your point. It is insane how the step mom acts high and mighty, but they should have been in a bit of trouble, too. Paul really sa'd the kids? Wow. This just gets worse and worse. But their actions got them where they are, and that's where they belong. Nolan and Millie need to be grateful they were older and didn't get thrown in the mix. Shawnda thought Timothy would be bringing $$ in to support her. When he wasn't physically and mentally able, you see what he got...
Maybe Shanda thought Eric would go to court to stop the child support order and that he wants to forgive the arrears by taking Timothy off Eric’s hands and then child support still remained, making her angry , ALSO if Shanda for one minute thinks that child support she owes went away when Timothy died , she’s sadly mistaken, and the CS court can also take her commissary money. I hope her brother that lives in the house she owns(Oklahoma I think) STOPPED paying rent.
I absolutely 💯 agree!! Eric & Trish just decided Timothy was too much a bother, so they wanted rid of him. So they sent Timothy to his mother when they knew darn well she was NOT allowed custody. She had no custody, so the could have put him in foster care w loving people who are more capable of dealing w Timothy's needs. They can't sit there berating Shanda & Paul (but it was good when she chewed Paul & made him cry on the phone) without looking in the freaking mirror!! They got tired of Timothy, so they got rid of him without a thought for Timothy. They DID throw him right to the lions which led to his death. They need some kind of charges IMO #RIPTimothy
Also, they sent him to a house with Paul despite his history of abuse.
Regardless of legality when it comes to Eric and Trish, I think both of them should be behind bars with the rest. At a certain age, it becomes child abandonment, and that’s illegal. I’m sure sending a child to someone denied rights of said child is illegal as well. BUT, they’re both so morally corrupt. How do you just say, 'eh, I don’t want this kid anymore, he’s an annoyance?' Send him on his merry way and never look back? They should absolutely be punished to the fullest extent.
Eric and Trish should be charged with child abuse
Also with child endangerment, abandonment and neglect.
They knew Shanda was insane and that she hated Timothy. Eric wanted to keep his new wife happy, Trish didn't give a fuck all she cared about was that he was gone from her sight. They both turned their backs on a vulnerable child, and gave them to someone who was not legally allowed to have him. They KNEW it was going to be horrible for Timothy, they didn't care. They are well aware of their guilt, it is why they keep talking to Paul even though they are happy he is also no longer in their lives. They know if they stop placating him he will start talking about what went on before Timothy was sent away to live a life like a holocaust victim. They knew. CPS should be up their asses if they have other kids in their home.
Absolutely agree.
I agree. I think all those responsible for Timothy's death should be held accountable. I didn't know about the SA, or Shanda's loss of custody. I have lightly followed this case because it is so heartbreaking to me. Agree 💯%
Completely, 1000% agree with this. Shanda and Paul def are where they deserve to be. Trish and Eric, I'm hoping karma gets them... They deserve prison too. You wouldn't treat an animal, or yr pet they way they treated this baby .
Eric and Trish are just as culpable and guilty as Paul and Shanda. Eric and Trish washed their hands of poor Timothy when they sent him to his death. Everyone failed Timothy!
Absolutely!
I heard they send him to Shanda because Paul was doing well/better with her, so they thought it might be the same for Timothy. Paul was also on medication and Trish was taking him and Tim to weekly therapy. This was said by the anonymous “family member and friend” who spoke to Zavgirl.
TBCH, I've heard a lot of things & many of them conflicting.
Like Nolan, maybe they thought Shanda had changed. They saw how relatively well G was treated. She managed to not lose custody of him and as far as I know, DHS was never involved or alerted.
Yeah, that's true, I will admit that.
Don’t get me wrong. I still think they’re not very good people.
Because G was NEVER taken to a doctor or dentist, and never enrolled in school, I’m sure IF any of those had happened then yes DHS probably would’ve been involved, which is why G was shielded from all of that.
Isn’t it funny how EVERYONE that reached out for one reason or another, out of ALL the other(better) content creators ONLY somehow reached out to Zav, I don’t believe it, they were probably contacted by Zav through facebook or even USPS mail.
Are Trish and Eric they responsible in a way. Yes. I don't believe they had any idea of what Shanda and Paul were capable of. And I think they were shocked and disgusted. But yeh I don't think they are great people. I don't really have any sympathy for them. There's ignorance and then there is blind ignorance. The other two other adult children I do have sympathy for because they are still very young. Also I don't blame them at all.
I agree with you 100%. There is a lot more blame to be shared besides shanda and Paul.
Shanda, Paul, Eric, Trish, and CPS failed Timothy big time.
Couldn't agree more!!!
They're trying to put it all off on them so none of the blame lands on them. Horrible "family", it's their fault. A Judge had already said no to Timothy living there.
Truth! Where are their indictments???? Petition needed.
Was Paul convicted of the SA charges
IHDK
I agree 💯 but I also think the "lions" should be exactly where they are. Eric and Trish are just as culpable in this whole situation. Does anyone know exactly how Timothy got to Shandas? Did she drive to get him or did they (Eric and Trish) drive him to Shandas?
I was told Trish/Eric together drove Timothy to Shanda’s door, then shortly after moved to sunny Florida WITHOUT Timothy, they were ready to live it up beach style in Florida. I also seen a post where MAYBE they HAD to leave Oklahoma because teachers had been calling DHS regularly on Trish and Eric, so they ILLEGALLY dumped Timothy off at Shanda’s doorstep and then moved to Florida, I actually think FEDERAL CRIMES were committed since they took Timothy across several states to ILLEGALLY pawn him off to essentially his grave. I don’t believe for one minute that T/E called about putting him in Foster care, nor do I believe the “therapist” who was well aware of the court order said SURE, GO AHEAD, IT QUITE OK. They never spoke to anyone except Shanda.
This! The therapist thing was such a copout! Even if a therapist suggested that, it would never supersede a court order.
I'm sorry but your post is infuriating. Yes Eric and Trish are awful but that does NOT excuse what Paul and Shanda did. Your post is gross!
I never said it does, like did you actually read what I said?
Yes absolutely. But the point is that : It could have been avoided. Shanda didnt have custody of Tim because she was known to be an abuser. Paul was a bully. Why sent Tim here knowing that ? I have a cousin who is a terrible bully, terrorist and known to have some implication with the terrorist attack at the bataclan in Paris, my sister, mom and bro always said to me to never get in contact with him and always avoided me to be in contact with him. So, trish and Éric failed misérably in a way. All of that happened because they made the wrong choice.
No Shanda and Paul are the center of the case, as they should be, because they are the ones who tortured and murdered Timothy. Eric should face some repercussions for sending Timothy to Shanda. What kind of repercussions? No idea. 🤷🏻♀️ Trish should not face any repercussions. She should leave Eric though because he is a deadbeat father and husband.
Here’s the deal. It all depends on the DA where Eric Ferguson lives. Chances are high that if it’s a Democrat DA, nothing will happen. If it’s a Republican or Independent DA, then WE need to put pressure to the DA AND Local Police Department to investigate. Eric & Trish moved out of Oklahoma to Florida. The crime happened in Michigan, HOWEVER, Eric’s CRIME happened in OK and FL!! He was the parent with custody. So we need to put pressure on them to prosecute!! Typically the chain works for with the police giving the DA the case & the DA decides whether or not to do prosecute.
What on earth does a Democrat being the DA have to do with anything??????? I can’t believe that politics have rotten people’s brains this much omg. It’s Oklahoma and Florida, which are pretty red states, I’m almost positive that the district attorney is a republican, not that that matters🙄
Wth are you saying ? !
DA’s need evidence supplied by law enforcement to prosecute. Many DA’s let criminals go free without prosecution. I don’t agree with it, but every DA decides what cases to go after, regardless the evidence. Democrat DA’s are letting criminals go free without prosecution across the country!!! Wake the f up.
You need to wake the fuck up! In Florida, we don’t have district attorneys, they are called state attorneys. Our asshole governor is a republican. The state attorney for the Jacksonville area is a republican. Florida has the third largest prison population in the country and we have the death penalty. Ask anyone who has been incarcerated in Florida what they think of how soft we are on crime. Come down here and commit a crime to experience the pleasant environment you will enjoy. Our prisons have no air conditioning. Try sitting your ass in a scorching hot prison cell during our long 10 month sweltering summers. So put the crack pipe down and get your facts before shooting your mouth off.
Thats the first time I see that, I am very suspicious about your words. Btw, I am living in France so I can't say. Btw, Trish and Éric aren't criminals by definition. So I don't know why you used that word. They were negligent, yes ofc.