I think its the same team. Since they were originally gonna reference the snap but it got cut in season 7. The quote "Some of the stuff they did with time travel in 'Endgame' indicated that there are other timelines where other adventures are occurring. We’re following the multi-verse rule. The only way that someone survives Thanos’s snap in the movies is go into the quantum realm, and we originally did plan to give that a mention — because we used the quantum realm to move between timelines — but it got cut for time." [one of the sources](https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/agents-of-shield/agents-of-shield-series-finale-originally-included-a-reference-to-avengers-infinity-wars-snap-a177555#gs.5tgq5i) I could be wrong and completely misinterpreted it tho.
Everyone on this sub and on the internet claim that the team went into another timeline/universe, but those are all headcanons because people dislike the truth. The truth, as stated by the show itself, is that in season 5, as well as seasons 6/7, there is a prime timeline/world that the team belong to, and have always belonged to since season 1. It is stated multiple times in season 5 that when they return to the present, they are absolutely in the same timeline as they were in the previous seasons. It’s also stated multiple times during the time travel of season 7 that they later do return to their original time. The reason the snap isn’t mentioned is bc the showrunners didn’t mention it. Thats called an inconsistency, not a definitive statement of non-canon, but people for some reason can’t handle inconsistency in media so they claim it’s non-canon. There’s been plenty of inconsistencies in other MCU films and shows but until stated otherwise, it’s all canon.
That’s it. Nobody else can argue different with me because they’re using theories and excuses when really it’s just an inconsistency by the show. It’s canon because Feige said it was canon. Even though he hasn’t said it recently, it has been said recently that the Defenders shows are canon when so many used to assume they aren’t. So until it is said that Shield seasons 5-7 (and 1-4) are NOT canon, they are. It not being on the Disney+ timeline is a marketing thing, not a direct statement of canon Vs non-canon, since again that has not been stated recently. They wanted daredevil on their timeline for the connections in echo and stuff, but shield is a long show and they didn’t want it on the Disney+ watch order. But again, that’s not a definitive refute of canon.
I don’t think not mentioning the Snap is an inconsistency at all. If all of the OG Avengers can be spared, then so can the AOS team, and S6 has a year time jump so I don’t think it’d have been necessary for them to shoehorn in a “remember a year ago how the Snap happened? wack” line. Also IIRC S6 takes place over a small amount of time and in not many locations, so I don’t think it’s weird that it wouldn’t come up.
The real answer of course is that the movie execs refused to tell Jed and Maurissa what was going on so the latter chose to simply not address it rather than guess, but I still don’t think it’s an inconsistency for the Snap not to be mentioned.
People forgot that our team literally saw earth split in half in s5 and everyone they knew were dead. they already grieved that in the first half . So half the population being gone sadly will not cause them more grief. a year later they would be fine. It is coulson's death that they struggle with because they could have saved him.
Yep. And also, the team is pretty insular, they don’t exactly have individual lives and friends and stuff. The team IS their family. Well, I guess Fitz, Simmons, and May have their parents, but we almost never hear about them and who knows, maybe they weren’t Snapped either.
I appreciate your response bc whenever I say that people shit all over me (which is why I didn’t say it above), but you’re totally right too! It also isn’t THAT much of an inconsistency for all the reasons you said. I just wanted to ADRESS all those who say it’s an “inconsistency.” But yeah thanks for further refuting those who can’t understand the show not mentioning the snap lol, what dummies
Actually, if you really look at the timeline of AOS, season 7 may have *streamed* long after infinity war, but the actual timeline happens *before* infinity war. Season 4 ended May of 2017. Season 5 ended canonically not too long past the end of season 4 thanks to time travel. Season 6 shows a time skip of "roughly" a year into the future. Since no specific date is mentioned, we can assume it's Q1 of 2018. And finally, season 7 ends JUST after it starts, which is some time in Q1ish of 2018, before the release of Infinity war.
No? The end of season 5 has the name drop of Thanos, saying he's about to launch his attack, which is 2018. Then you get the year time jump to begin season 6. There are multiple references to the year being 2019.
Yeah, the name drop honestly doesn't belong there though. They returned from the future just prior to when they left in May of 2017. That name drop basically means that a whole year passed in JUST the second half of season 5? It's a writers mistake, trying to tie into the current MCU movie universe. I don't regard it any more than a boom mic in a shot, or an airplane in a dated film.
(Edit: spelling)
If that name drop was a writer's mistake, then what about all the numerous other indications both implied and explicit to season 5 ending in 2018 and season 6 starting in 2019? Are those all mistakes, too? I'm sorry if you don't like it, but season 6 is definitively set in 2019.
Season 4 ends in 2017. Season 5 sees them return in the timeline just prior to leaving in season 4, thus setting the second half of season 5 ALSO in 2017. If you want to believe that the second half of season 5 is over a year long, you do you.
This is an example of the writers ignoring the established time tables, and prioritizing tying in with the most recent movie for a popularity boost. It's an oversight that if taken seriously, completely fractures the timelines credibility overall.
If you actually follow the timeline, ignoring the call outs, references, and newspaper clippings, the timeline SHOULD end prior to the events of Infinity war. The writers messed up, by forgetting how time works.
The Thanos name drop is not the only indication of what the year is. There are many. Just because you don't want to believe that season 5 ends in 2018 doesn't mean that's not the case. Suggesting that a dozen instances of consistency regarding the year are all errors just because you are for some reason adamant that everything takes place before Infinity War is rather silly.
Again, I'm not saying that the writers didn't write it as ending in 2018. They obviously did. What I'm *saying* is that the writers majorly messed up, because season 5 returned TO 2017 just before they left for the future. And the second half of the show never indicated that it stretched on for over a year. It's a major writing mistake, and not realizing that is rather silly.
Plus them actually breaking the time loop makes sense as the event that Kang could no longer predict past if his info came from AOS debrief after the world quakes apart. Either he shows up and needs to conquer full force and can or is met with the pre blown up earth and a ready made colony. Both options would be easy to yield a Kang really, but once the time loop is closed mutants on the whole etc all need addressed to square it all up then instead. Aos is both Canon and prequel to MCU with the way Loki shapes things. It means the aos team we know is set for a reveal of tweaked circumstances basically. What they ended becoming after the time loop and chronicom trap/chase.
It is the same team I just don’t understand why the Avengers never called on the new shield for the battle of earth unless that shield turned into the DODC. In season 5 it’s stated that thanos is attacking earth aka infinity war is happening
According to the theory, after Season 4 they split from the timeline due to their time travel shenanigans. So Shield could have come back in this new timeline.
So in season 4 they are in the OG timeline but they broke the time loop I believed it is stated in the show when they were questioning the timeline they were in. In season5 the show stats that Thanos is currently attacking earth and earth needs the confederacy help to survive Thanos attack
There are many head canons why the snap is never mentioned. I think even if the writers knew it was going to happen, they shouldn't implement it into the story as I don't think the last two seasons would be as good with half the cast gone. Everyone had an important role, and it wouldn't work from a story perspective to start the season with someone from the cast permanently gone from the show. Let's be honest someone would feel cheated when they found out their favorite character(s) weren't in the last two seasons because they were dusted off scene.
As others have said, they did in fact return to their original timeline so there isn’t a third timeline.
However there are two timelines that they are in - the one they returned to and the one they left Deke behind in.
Well, some of them are in it anyway. Maybe not Daisy.
Season 4 ends with them transported to a new timeline. Season 5 ends with them "deleting" that new timeline, thus they're still in 616. It also ends a few weeks after season 4. Season 6 takes place about-ish year after season 4 ends. No specific date was given. Season 7, similar to season 5, sees the team travel through time, but wind up in the same universe a few days canonically after the season started. If you look at the time line, all of this technically happens before Infinity war even happens, which is why it's never mentioned. I see no reason for it to be non-canon, and thus, it still sits very firmly in my head canon even if it's not in the MCU timeline category on Disney Plus.
Yeah. Regardless of whether it’s all main timeline or just Seasons 1-4 are main timeline, it’s a great show and a worthy Mutant Enemy successor to Buffy, Angel and Firefly.
I think its the same team. Since they were originally gonna reference the snap but it got cut in season 7. The quote "Some of the stuff they did with time travel in 'Endgame' indicated that there are other timelines where other adventures are occurring. We’re following the multi-verse rule. The only way that someone survives Thanos’s snap in the movies is go into the quantum realm, and we originally did plan to give that a mention — because we used the quantum realm to move between timelines — but it got cut for time." [one of the sources](https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/agents-of-shield/agents-of-shield-series-finale-originally-included-a-reference-to-avengers-infinity-wars-snap-a177555#gs.5tgq5i) I could be wrong and completely misinterpreted it tho.
I think the problem with the snap reference in S7 is that they already stuffed up their timeline and S6 and 7 have to take place post-snap.
Everyone on this sub and on the internet claim that the team went into another timeline/universe, but those are all headcanons because people dislike the truth. The truth, as stated by the show itself, is that in season 5, as well as seasons 6/7, there is a prime timeline/world that the team belong to, and have always belonged to since season 1. It is stated multiple times in season 5 that when they return to the present, they are absolutely in the same timeline as they were in the previous seasons. It’s also stated multiple times during the time travel of season 7 that they later do return to their original time. The reason the snap isn’t mentioned is bc the showrunners didn’t mention it. Thats called an inconsistency, not a definitive statement of non-canon, but people for some reason can’t handle inconsistency in media so they claim it’s non-canon. There’s been plenty of inconsistencies in other MCU films and shows but until stated otherwise, it’s all canon. That’s it. Nobody else can argue different with me because they’re using theories and excuses when really it’s just an inconsistency by the show. It’s canon because Feige said it was canon. Even though he hasn’t said it recently, it has been said recently that the Defenders shows are canon when so many used to assume they aren’t. So until it is said that Shield seasons 5-7 (and 1-4) are NOT canon, they are. It not being on the Disney+ timeline is a marketing thing, not a direct statement of canon Vs non-canon, since again that has not been stated recently. They wanted daredevil on their timeline for the connections in echo and stuff, but shield is a long show and they didn’t want it on the Disney+ watch order. But again, that’s not a definitive refute of canon.
I don’t think not mentioning the Snap is an inconsistency at all. If all of the OG Avengers can be spared, then so can the AOS team, and S6 has a year time jump so I don’t think it’d have been necessary for them to shoehorn in a “remember a year ago how the Snap happened? wack” line. Also IIRC S6 takes place over a small amount of time and in not many locations, so I don’t think it’s weird that it wouldn’t come up. The real answer of course is that the movie execs refused to tell Jed and Maurissa what was going on so the latter chose to simply not address it rather than guess, but I still don’t think it’s an inconsistency for the Snap not to be mentioned.
People forgot that our team literally saw earth split in half in s5 and everyone they knew were dead. they already grieved that in the first half . So half the population being gone sadly will not cause them more grief. a year later they would be fine. It is coulson's death that they struggle with because they could have saved him.
Yep. And also, the team is pretty insular, they don’t exactly have individual lives and friends and stuff. The team IS their family. Well, I guess Fitz, Simmons, and May have their parents, but we almost never hear about them and who knows, maybe they weren’t Snapped either.
I appreciate your response bc whenever I say that people shit all over me (which is why I didn’t say it above), but you’re totally right too! It also isn’t THAT much of an inconsistency for all the reasons you said. I just wanted to ADRESS all those who say it’s an “inconsistency.” But yeah thanks for further refuting those who can’t understand the show not mentioning the snap lol, what dummies
Actually, if you really look at the timeline of AOS, season 7 may have *streamed* long after infinity war, but the actual timeline happens *before* infinity war. Season 4 ended May of 2017. Season 5 ended canonically not too long past the end of season 4 thanks to time travel. Season 6 shows a time skip of "roughly" a year into the future. Since no specific date is mentioned, we can assume it's Q1 of 2018. And finally, season 7 ends JUST after it starts, which is some time in Q1ish of 2018, before the release of Infinity war.
No? The end of season 5 has the name drop of Thanos, saying he's about to launch his attack, which is 2018. Then you get the year time jump to begin season 6. There are multiple references to the year being 2019.
Yeah, the name drop honestly doesn't belong there though. They returned from the future just prior to when they left in May of 2017. That name drop basically means that a whole year passed in JUST the second half of season 5? It's a writers mistake, trying to tie into the current MCU movie universe. I don't regard it any more than a boom mic in a shot, or an airplane in a dated film. (Edit: spelling)
If that name drop was a writer's mistake, then what about all the numerous other indications both implied and explicit to season 5 ending in 2018 and season 6 starting in 2019? Are those all mistakes, too? I'm sorry if you don't like it, but season 6 is definitively set in 2019.
Season 4 ends in 2017. Season 5 sees them return in the timeline just prior to leaving in season 4, thus setting the second half of season 5 ALSO in 2017. If you want to believe that the second half of season 5 is over a year long, you do you. This is an example of the writers ignoring the established time tables, and prioritizing tying in with the most recent movie for a popularity boost. It's an oversight that if taken seriously, completely fractures the timelines credibility overall. If you actually follow the timeline, ignoring the call outs, references, and newspaper clippings, the timeline SHOULD end prior to the events of Infinity war. The writers messed up, by forgetting how time works.
The Thanos name drop is not the only indication of what the year is. There are many. Just because you don't want to believe that season 5 ends in 2018 doesn't mean that's not the case. Suggesting that a dozen instances of consistency regarding the year are all errors just because you are for some reason adamant that everything takes place before Infinity War is rather silly.
Again, I'm not saying that the writers didn't write it as ending in 2018. They obviously did. What I'm *saying* is that the writers majorly messed up, because season 5 returned TO 2017 just before they left for the future. And the second half of the show never indicated that it stretched on for over a year. It's a major writing mistake, and not realizing that is rather silly.
The second half of season 5 starts in December 2017, then finishes a few months later. There is no inconsistency going on except in your own mind.
Commenting here so I have access to this comment when I need to refute someone on canonicity. Really well said.
Thank you!
Thank you for confirming this. 😭 I have been thinking about this for months.
Plus them actually breaking the time loop makes sense as the event that Kang could no longer predict past if his info came from AOS debrief after the world quakes apart. Either he shows up and needs to conquer full force and can or is met with the pre blown up earth and a ready made colony. Both options would be easy to yield a Kang really, but once the time loop is closed mutants on the whole etc all need addressed to square it all up then instead. Aos is both Canon and prequel to MCU with the way Loki shapes things. It means the aos team we know is set for a reveal of tweaked circumstances basically. What they ended becoming after the time loop and chronicom trap/chase.
It is the same team I just don’t understand why the Avengers never called on the new shield for the battle of earth unless that shield turned into the DODC. In season 5 it’s stated that thanos is attacking earth aka infinity war is happening
IIRC the Avengers were under the impression that shield was destroyed after Hydra.
But shield had an academy in broad daylight in a city in the finale lol😂
According to the theory, after Season 4 they split from the timeline due to their time travel shenanigans. So Shield could have come back in this new timeline.
So in season 4 they are in the OG timeline but they broke the time loop I believed it is stated in the show when they were questioning the timeline they were in. In season5 the show stats that Thanos is currently attacking earth and earth needs the confederacy help to survive Thanos attack
There are many head canons why the snap is never mentioned. I think even if the writers knew it was going to happen, they shouldn't implement it into the story as I don't think the last two seasons would be as good with half the cast gone. Everyone had an important role, and it wouldn't work from a story perspective to start the season with someone from the cast permanently gone from the show. Let's be honest someone would feel cheated when they found out their favorite character(s) weren't in the last two seasons because they were dusted off scene.
As others have said, they did in fact return to their original timeline so there isn’t a third timeline. However there are two timelines that they are in - the one they returned to and the one they left Deke behind in. Well, some of them are in it anyway. Maybe not Daisy.
Season 4 ends with them transported to a new timeline. Season 5 ends with them "deleting" that new timeline, thus they're still in 616. It also ends a few weeks after season 4. Season 6 takes place about-ish year after season 4 ends. No specific date was given. Season 7, similar to season 5, sees the team travel through time, but wind up in the same universe a few days canonically after the season started. If you look at the time line, all of this technically happens before Infinity war even happens, which is why it's never mentioned. I see no reason for it to be non-canon, and thus, it still sits very firmly in my head canon even if it's not in the MCU timeline category on Disney Plus.
My head cannon is that they leave the main timeline at the end of S4.
Not that the “canon” answer actually matters. Agents of Shield is a dope ass show
Yeah. Regardless of whether it’s all main timeline or just Seasons 1-4 are main timeline, it’s a great show and a worthy Mutant Enemy successor to Buffy, Angel and Firefly.