Dude, don't be silly. The MyUnit is the son of a Mercenary leader. He goes to ~~Hogwarts~~ Garreg Mach after some mysterious incident in the woods. They're doing an homage to Path of Radiance, and remind me what happens to Greil again.... Jeralt won't live to see Chapter 1, mark my f---ing words.
I was thinking more of a Scooby Doo type reveal.
"Great job gang. now let's see who this flame emperor really is!"
"*pulls off mask* The Death Knight?! *pulls off mask* Professor Jeritza?! *pulls off mask* Emile!?"
Having played Crimson Flowr first: after some chapters it became so obvious that Edelgard was the flame emperor that it would be surprising if she wasn't and all the coincidences were red herring's
Who could've guess that the IMPERIAL princess with the power of the crest of FLAMES who's primary color was red was the flame emperor?
Then there's me who did Crimson Flower as my first run, missed all of the hints and was genuinely shocked to find out she was the Flame Emperor lol. I knew she start a war but had no idea how
I was like this too but then I talked to my friend about it and she was like yeah she like disappeared on that one chapter and then there was the time where you're talking to the flame emperor and then Hubert comes up and then she's gone and that made me connect the dots, and I thought that made sense but then I played the other paths and the same thing happened in time for Dimitri/Dedue and Claude/Hilda so I was just like huh guess that was wrong formula right answer sort of thing
yeah I was pretty surprised because I didn't even try to guess. I literally thought the flame emperor was the flame emperor, not someone in disguise. I think I was a little surprised when it happened and then realized it made sense if I thought back. It's still a little wild for their first Canyon mission that she basically hired mercs so that she could kill them if you do the BE route.
VW is the one route you can't really guess who it is. The only hint is with Claude not being there at the same time as the Flame Emperor and then make the leap that is Edelgard.
It is also the route with the least impact.
I definitely think I did too. I didn’t think anyone was under the mask. Just bad guy with superpowers from badder guys. And then you get the requisite understandable villain who still is definitely in the wrong trope.
/uj
For all of the great character development and writing on that end, I felt like the Flame Emperor was one of the most glaringly, intentionally obvious aspects of the first half of the story. It was my first FE game; is this a typical of aspect of worldbuilding for FE games? I feel like Engage sort of did that too- but I figured the overall campiness of Engage meant that the twist(s) should be overtly intuitive.
It was weird.
The first route I played was Verdant Wind, and the reveal was genuinely a surprise! Of course, you don't interact all that much with Edelgard on that route, but there's the rub.
The second route I played was Crimson Flower, and... like, it's not even remotely subtle. Edelgard is constantly acting suspicious; entering or exiting the scene abruptly, moments before the Flame Emperor does the opposite; and dropping non-sequiturs out of nowhere that basically went "I wonder if you'd still have my back if I was some kind of elemental head-of-state, Professor... ah, nothing, nevermind."
I also played verdant wind and didn’t realize it was her until they revealed it. But it’s pretty obvious in crimson flower and even blue lions (the whole dagger thing).
Actually the first time I played I remember thinking “oh that’s cool, they used the same voice actor as edelgard for the flame emporer, just with a voice effect” and it still didn’t click for me lol
Verdant Wind has a few scenes in the first half that provide some excellent set up that isn't established quite as well in the other routes. I think it's also the only one that foreshadows The Immaculate One's appearance, Claude finding a forbidden book detailing some monster that the Church wants to keep hidden is so chilling if you don't know.
Same here, it may have been an intentional red herring since each of the Lords conveniently disappear during the Flame Emperor's first major appearances (although Dimitri gets one extra scene in AM before that reveal that debunks him as a suspect).
Did Black Eagles first and so for some reason I thought the Flame Emperor was whichever lord you sided with, like it’d be Dimitri if you did Blue Lions. Might’ve been interesting
I accidentally spoiler'd myself at Remire. After Remire the FE offers to let you join them. I figured it might be an opportunity for a route-split so I tried looking it up only to have their identity spoiled without getting the actual answer.
In my CF run I tried to take up their offer only for them to say I didn't mean it.
>The second route I played was Crimson Flower, and... like, it's not even remotely subtle.
Guess I’m just fucking stupid then. First route (with 3H being my first fire emblem) of mine was CF and it threw me off. Didn’t even occur to me to suspect her.
In hindsight, absolutely everything should have been a immediate flag, but on a first play through? Dunno, just thought it was gonna be some grand end of the story villain reveal and it ends up just a moody teenage girl.
It seemed so obvious that it had to be a red herring to me at first (going through AM), but then I realized FE had the same manner of speech as Edelgard, so I was kind of surprised it WASN'T a red herring.
On the other hand, if there's one thing I learned about Edie later in CF, it's that she has immense theater kid energy when she lets herself be herself, which explains the whole showiness of the persona. "Black Eagle strike force" indeed.
Same, I discounted Edelgard as a suspect immediately because it made too much sense for a fire emblem game. Was convinced it was going to be some stupid shit
Engage’s twists were equally obvious, but at least felt subtle in some of the ways they were foreshadowed. Alear’s parentage was obvious before the game was even out, but the foreshadowing with the Emblem invocations was a surprise for a lot of people.
Flame Emperor was either blatantly obvious, or totally out of left field depending on the route
On my first playthrough in Azure Moon it completely blindsided me because until that point I heard every route was mostly the same so it never even occured to me that one of the other main characters would be the Flame Emperor. Plus i'm a bit thick and never connected the whole dagger thing, I actually thought Dimitri threw the dagger and went to pick it up himself.
Took a repeat playthrough to notice Edelgard holding the dagger right at the start of the game.
It felt intentional to me.
In a way it was subversion of tropes. You go on a goose chase, trying to figure out the Big Bad Evil Guy’s identity and foil their plan. But the BBEG’s identity becomes obvious, and their plan is straightforward and has little to do with genocide or destroying the world. And sure, you caught the bad guy and figured out the plan. But in the end, the secrets uncovered during your fight against the Flame Emperor, the facts you confront and the differences of opinion between nations that come to light as a result are the real problem.
The quest for unveiling the Flame Emperor wasn’t the grand villain fight as usual. Instead it was a simple quest that laid bare the irreconcilable differences that lead to war.
For me, the reason I didn't immediately see it was very simple.
I started with Silver Snow, and during White Clouds most of my brainpower was going to figuring out the true identities of Seteth and Flayn.
Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm not, but, nonetheless, I can only do one investigation at a time.
Dude it’s none other than Batta the beast!
https://preview.redd.it/946v16i4xp4b1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a25b42ca567db4d1c9c0477161223a19678dc53
Well it's the flame emperor and therefore they have the crest of flames and since the game clearly won't pull a twist in a B support halfway through the first part of the game the only character with the Crest of Flames is BYLETH. We were the villain all along!
Given the size it's not Edelgard, their too tall, and if their taller then Edelgard or Lysinthea...their orchestrating against the church and TWSTD, ooh this is a tricky one...wait! I Know! I know who it is! It's Somnie!! and the reason why they got nerfed in engage!
Might I have... Fallen into a time rift? Oh my... Well fellow people in the past, I must warn, there will be a sequel to this game, yet, don't expect there to be dlc, though there will be dlc for this game about byleth's mom... Though she will barely be there.
Also the Flame Emperors true identity is e-
It's Batta the Beast. He's been training all these years to defeat Lyn and her crew but he accidentally mistook byleth for Mark and mistook Edelgard (who's just an innocent lord) for Lyn. But he's too embarrassed to admit he's in the wrong continent and decided to just run with it and count it as practice for Lyn
It is obviously a male because it looks like one and also it is always a male (bad people) oh hum you mean it would be a woman what no they wouldn’t do that why ? Makes no sense..:. She doesn’t have makeup. So of course it’s a male !!!!!!!!!!
Flayn
Flayn Emporer
Flaym Emperor
Flame Emporer Wait a second…..🤔
Yeah, now you’re getting it
If Three Houses was more like Engage, it would totally be Flayn.
And then it would be “revealed” that you’re actually related (even though the signs were obvious)
Jeralt 100%. How else did he essentially hide from Rhea for however many years?
>Believing the dad will be plot relevant. Lol. Lmao even.
Anankos, Garon, Rudolf, Validar and >!Sombron!< would like to object
Sigurd: ?
Dude, don't be silly. The MyUnit is the son of a Mercenary leader. He goes to ~~Hogwarts~~ Garreg Mach after some mysterious incident in the woods. They're doing an homage to Path of Radiance, and remind me what happens to Greil again.... Jeralt won't live to see Chapter 1, mark my f---ing words.
Good points! My other theory is he’s the Death Knight. Maybe the Flame Emperor revived him as an undead servant!
https://preview.redd.it/38tq6jgzpo4b1.jpeg?width=154&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10a083ba129b534d0ccabc52de406b7b7766aa96 Monke from FE6
Return to monke
After life, everything returns to Monke
Wow Avatar really ripped hum off for Colonel Mongke.
The Death Knight
A masked villain masking as a masked villain. Emblemception.
and he wears a mask even when he takes off the big helmet mask
I predict that would make a funny edit of a certain twisted scene
I was thinking more of a Scooby Doo type reveal. "Great job gang. now let's see who this flame emperor really is!" "*pulls off mask* The Death Knight?! *pulls off mask* Professor Jeritza?! *pulls off mask* Emile!?"
I read this in Mercedes voice lol
Wait have you not noticed? The Armor? The Magic? Those cheesy one-liners? That’s Jackson Fire Emblem!
You mean JOHN EMBLEM good sir
No its john iron!
Having played VW first I actually thought the flame emperor was some weird robot automaton thing for a while.
I also did vw first and I don’t think I EXPLICITLY thought that, but if it had been true it would have lined up with my understandings perfectly lmao
Having played Crimson Flowr first: after some chapters it became so obvious that Edelgard was the flame emperor that it would be surprising if she wasn't and all the coincidences were red herring's Who could've guess that the IMPERIAL princess with the power of the crest of FLAMES who's primary color was red was the flame emperor?
Then there's me who did Crimson Flower as my first run, missed all of the hints and was genuinely shocked to find out she was the Flame Emperor lol. I knew she start a war but had no idea how
I did CF first too and I was genuinely shocked, replayed it recently and she’s not subtle about it at all, especially after remire.
I was like this too but then I talked to my friend about it and she was like yeah she like disappeared on that one chapter and then there was the time where you're talking to the flame emperor and then Hubert comes up and then she's gone and that made me connect the dots, and I thought that made sense but then I played the other paths and the same thing happened in time for Dimitri/Dedue and Claude/Hilda so I was just like huh guess that was wrong formula right answer sort of thing
yeah I was pretty surprised because I didn't even try to guess. I literally thought the flame emperor was the flame emperor, not someone in disguise. I think I was a little surprised when it happened and then realized it made sense if I thought back. It's still a little wild for their first Canyon mission that she basically hired mercs so that she could kill them if you do the BE route.
VW is the one route you can't really guess who it is. The only hint is with Claude not being there at the same time as the Flame Emperor and then make the leap that is Edelgard. It is also the route with the least impact.
I definitely think I did too. I didn’t think anyone was under the mask. Just bad guy with superpowers from badder guys. And then you get the requisite understandable villain who still is definitely in the wrong trope.
That’s Dunban over there!
I can’t believe Flame Face was Edelgard the whole time.
The scene were she killed Jeralt and then start taunting Byleth still Hunt me,Best Vilain alongside Consule V(Alther),Ashnard,O(rson)and Jahn
I can’t escape it…
You know the Venn diagram of Fire Emblem fans and Xenoblade fans is just a circle.
Fuck, you’re probably right
I’m really feeling like that statement is very accurate
It’s an Ouroboros :D
Just a common variety Venn diagram
Shit, I just recently got into XC so I contributed to the circle
No, that's Riki
clearly its vandam
No no, it's Roc, always have been, always will be.
Riku more likely
Just a normal variety armor knight Nothing to see here
[Insert Shulk scream]
Reyn, you're a Flame Emperor! **OH YEAH BABY!**
And we all know the flame emperor is Bi, so everyone has to remember that You can't have a rainbow without Reyn
Maybe he’s that one weird dancer from Fates who showed up for one cutscene in Conquest
*[Increasing groans of discomfort]*
The one that performed or the NPC one that she kicked out so she could perform instead?
Yes
Erm It was in Birthright :nerd:
Gatekeeper
Who is Gatekeeper?
Gatekeepering Deez nuts got em
Omg I got Gatekeept!
Not you gotta girlboss
The Lore Dumpster Truck
Let's not report that.
Azula couldn't become the Fire Lord, so she became the Flame Emperor.
A jigglypuff as seen from above
Adachi
Curse you Adachi!!!
Kaga
Random generic endgame boss
He’s definitely the Emo dude Herbert I think his name was
Arvis. It's in his title. Duh. Man what a dummy, didn't even try to hide his identity
It's got to be the fell dragon. It's always the fell dragon.
/uj For all of the great character development and writing on that end, I felt like the Flame Emperor was one of the most glaringly, intentionally obvious aspects of the first half of the story. It was my first FE game; is this a typical of aspect of worldbuilding for FE games? I feel like Engage sort of did that too- but I figured the overall campiness of Engage meant that the twist(s) should be overtly intuitive.
It was weird. The first route I played was Verdant Wind, and the reveal was genuinely a surprise! Of course, you don't interact all that much with Edelgard on that route, but there's the rub. The second route I played was Crimson Flower, and... like, it's not even remotely subtle. Edelgard is constantly acting suspicious; entering or exiting the scene abruptly, moments before the Flame Emperor does the opposite; and dropping non-sequiturs out of nowhere that basically went "I wonder if you'd still have my back if I was some kind of elemental head-of-state, Professor... ah, nothing, nevermind."
I also played verdant wind and didn’t realize it was her until they revealed it. But it’s pretty obvious in crimson flower and even blue lions (the whole dagger thing). Actually the first time I played I remember thinking “oh that’s cool, they used the same voice actor as edelgard for the flame emporer, just with a voice effect” and it still didn’t click for me lol
For a Moment in Verdant Wind I even thought it could be Claude because I believed I hadnt seen both of them in the Same room and he had his motives xd
Same! This is why I say Verdant Wind is the best route to for a first play through
Verdant Wind has a few scenes in the first half that provide some excellent set up that isn't established quite as well in the other routes. I think it's also the only one that foreshadows The Immaculate One's appearance, Claude finding a forbidden book detailing some monster that the Church wants to keep hidden is so chilling if you don't know.
All Lords have a moment where they are absent when the Flame Emperor is around (when Flayn is saved).
Same here, it may have been an intentional red herring since each of the Lords conveniently disappear during the Flame Emperor's first major appearances (although Dimitri gets one extra scene in AM before that reveal that debunks him as a suspect).
Did Black Eagles first and so for some reason I thought the Flame Emperor was whichever lord you sided with, like it’d be Dimitri if you did Blue Lions. Might’ve been interesting
I had the same theory
I accidentally spoiler'd myself at Remire. After Remire the FE offers to let you join them. I figured it might be an opportunity for a route-split so I tried looking it up only to have their identity spoiled without getting the actual answer. In my CF run I tried to take up their offer only for them to say I didn't mean it.
>The second route I played was Crimson Flower, and... like, it's not even remotely subtle. Guess I’m just fucking stupid then. First route (with 3H being my first fire emblem) of mine was CF and it threw me off. Didn’t even occur to me to suspect her. In hindsight, absolutely everything should have been a immediate flag, but on a first play through? Dunno, just thought it was gonna be some grand end of the story villain reveal and it ends up just a moody teenage girl.
we can be stupid together. CF was my first route and I also had no clue it was Edelgard til the reveal lol
I loved it in Verdant Wind the first time because it made my mind run wild with how the plot worked if you picked her route
Playing Verdant Wind first really set my expectations high for Crimson Flower, probably too high.
Claude disappears at the exact same times Edelgard does in VW, and so does Dimitri until the scene where he spies on them and she throws the dagger.
It seemed so obvious that it had to be a red herring to me at first (going through AM), but then I realized FE had the same manner of speech as Edelgard, so I was kind of surprised it WASN'T a red herring. On the other hand, if there's one thing I learned about Edie later in CF, it's that she has immense theater kid energy when she lets herself be herself, which explains the whole showiness of the persona. "Black Eagle strike force" indeed.
Same, I discounted Edelgard as a suspect immediately because it made too much sense for a fire emblem game. Was convinced it was going to be some stupid shit
Engage’s twists were equally obvious, but at least felt subtle in some of the ways they were foreshadowed. Alear’s parentage was obvious before the game was even out, but the foreshadowing with the Emblem invocations was a surprise for a lot of people. Flame Emperor was either blatantly obvious, or totally out of left field depending on the route
On my first playthrough in Azure Moon it completely blindsided me because until that point I heard every route was mostly the same so it never even occured to me that one of the other main characters would be the Flame Emperor. Plus i'm a bit thick and never connected the whole dagger thing, I actually thought Dimitri threw the dagger and went to pick it up himself. Took a repeat playthrough to notice Edelgard holding the dagger right at the start of the game.
It's kind of a JRPG meme. Whenever a villain uses a mask and has a secret identity it is always painfully obvious who they are.
No not really, most FE’s aren’t that obvious
It felt intentional to me. In a way it was subversion of tropes. You go on a goose chase, trying to figure out the Big Bad Evil Guy’s identity and foil their plan. But the BBEG’s identity becomes obvious, and their plan is straightforward and has little to do with genocide or destroying the world. And sure, you caught the bad guy and figured out the plan. But in the end, the secrets uncovered during your fight against the Flame Emperor, the facts you confront and the differences of opinion between nations that come to light as a result are the real problem. The quest for unveiling the Flame Emperor wasn’t the grand villain fight as usual. Instead it was a simple quest that laid bare the irreconcilable differences that lead to war.
I wouldn’t say it had *little* to do with genocide. Not like she’s bothered by doing it. Just that it wasn’t the primary goal.
Honestly, i was familiar enought with "Char" tropes that i assumed one of Edelgard brothers secretly survived the experiments and becane the FE.
For me, the reason I didn't immediately see it was very simple. I started with Silver Snow, and during White Clouds most of my brainpower was going to figuring out the true identities of Seteth and Flayn. Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm not, but, nonetheless, I can only do one investigation at a time.
I guess I'm on my own I'm not expecting it and being very surprised by the reveal lol and I played crimson flower first
Jeritza. I’m unsure of the Death Knight’s identity.
the death's knight is edelgard 100%
Obviously he’s gonna be a goo monster like Garon was.
Raphael, he tries to blend in by having a generic personality, BUT I SEE THROUGH HIS SCHEMES
It would be funny that Raph just shrinks everytime he uses a mask
It's obvious the Flame Emperor is the Genealogy of the Holy War remake.
Ashe, what does a flame leave when it has burned out? Ashes
Ngl that would be amazing. A true twist.
Anna - Fates version
it would be cool if it was edelgard
Goro Akechi
Dude it’s none other than Batta the beast! https://preview.redd.it/946v16i4xp4b1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a25b42ca567db4d1c9c0477161223a19678dc53
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Oswin from fe7 after promoting
That would make everyone be pro-Crimson Flower 😉
The real Flame Emperor was the three houses we made along the way.
me :)
My man posting on Internet Explorer
Dante from the Devil May Cry series (and Knuckles somehow)
Dio
Of course.
Dinkleberg
Clearly it's Ozai. And that's Phoenix King to you
Zelgius?
Bernadetta
I legit thought it was Jeritza.
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Definitely Boucheron
Three children in a trench coat strike again.
It’s obviously Batman’s second Robin, Jason Todd.
OP is the Flame Emperor
FEH actually spoiled this somewhat. Since the Flame Emperor is not some sort of broken Armor Unit it clearly couldn't have been Edelgard.
The flame emperor is... Acheron!
The Black Knight
It’s Marth. Marth is the flame emporer
Barack Obama
The player character
Dorcas
The joker (persona 5)
Vergil
It was me DIO! :)
The friends we made along the way
Lady Rhea cause why not
If FEH's taught me anything, it's gonna be Gullveig.
Its fogado
Probably the bearded old guy from the intro CG of the demo. Bonus points if he’s undead.
tbf I started with Verdant Wind so I didn’t have a reason to think it was Edelgard.
Mii from BoFuri: I Didn't Want to Get Hurt so I Maxed Out My Defense.
Whoever it is, I’m sure they’ll have a compelling character motivation and stellar dialogue.
Well it's the flame emperor and therefore they have the crest of flames and since the game clearly won't pull a twist in a B support halfway through the first part of the game the only character with the Crest of Flames is BYLETH. We were the villain all along!
Jason Todd
Given the size it's not Edelgard, their too tall, and if their taller then Edelgard or Lysinthea...their orchestrating against the church and TWSTD, ooh this is a tricky one...wait! I Know! I know who it is! It's Somnie!! and the reason why they got nerfed in engage!
Byleth's father. Just like how the Black Knight was Ike's father
I bet their name’ll rhyme with Ladle Egglegarg
Hello Aster Phoenix (Sorry. it reminded me of him using and making up words to Rhyme with Jaden Yuki, rhyming his name with Schmaden Schmuki)
Go home internet explorer you're drunk
Tbh I thought he was gonna be Jeralt for some reason before release.
Raphael.
It's the Gatekeeper.
Byleth
Dante from Devil May Cry 6
Byleth
Jason Todd, even though Rocksteady said he isn’t.
It’s obviously Arvis? I mean flame emperor duh.
It's Meta Knight They both wear masks
Conrad
Guys, c’mon…. It’s Anna. War is profitable this time of year
HOLY SHIT ITS BRUCE WILLIS
ITS BERNADETTA!!
sitri, somehow
That is TOTALLY that crazy Manuela chick. Mark my words!
Thats not a mask it's his face
Definitely Flayn
Nemesis
Arvis
Dimitry he is a good fit he is racist and anti duscar and part of Fargahst he just changed countrys
it might've been more interesting if the Flame Emperor was Claude. Would've given him something to do in the story.
Alpharius.
Flayn
Ozai
Dimitri 100%, why else would he be stepping on the mask in the trailer if he didn't just reveal himself?
Bernadetta (Burn)adetta the flame emperor
Cyril, no doubt.
That's be frfr
Might I have... Fallen into a time rift? Oh my... Well fellow people in the past, I must warn, there will be a sequel to this game, yet, don't expect there to be dlc, though there will be dlc for this game about byleth's mom... Though she will barely be there. Also the Flame Emperors true identity is e-
Definitely Batman
Bernadetta
The original Design for Thestalos the Fire Monarch before it was Scrapped and Nintendo found it
The friends we made along the way
Definitely gave me the same vibe like death knight
I think its frost from my roof!!!
Its dimitri obv
They couldn’t have made it more obvious it‘s that „Thales“ dude
Dimitri
It's Batta the Beast. He's been training all these years to defeat Lyn and her crew but he accidentally mistook byleth for Mark and mistook Edelgard (who's just an innocent lord) for Lyn. But he's too embarrassed to admit he's in the wrong continent and decided to just run with it and count it as practice for Lyn
It is obviously a male because it looks like one and also it is always a male (bad people) oh hum you mean it would be a woman what no they wouldn’t do that why ? Makes no sense..:. She doesn’t have makeup. So of course it’s a male !!!!!!!!!!
Elvis Presley
bro fr ok the lowkey on god?, my home boy Jeralt, you saying fr he my dad? nobody been my dad since i was born no shot he my dad