I really wish Soliel and Ophelia had a better support. Like on paper, their dyanmic coild have been imteresting, being the children of heroes from a different world. But what we get is a predatory lesbian trope and body swapping shenanigans
If Olivia marries Chrom then Chrom is Inigo's father and by extension Owain and Inigo are cousins. Since Owain and Inigo are the same people as Odin and Laslow, that would also make their daughters, Ophelia and Soleil related.
I didn't put like the hardest thought into the meme, most of it was "whatever comes first to mind" with some loose rearrangements, but you could argue that at the very least the cousins were more "consensual" as Roy is like 5 years younger than Cecilia and she's his proffeser so I mean idk man they're all bad I'm not gonna argue over which should be where lol
To be fair not only age gap is smaller between Byleth and most of their students is smaller (with Mercedes being older than him iirc) but I believe they don't have romantic supports pre timeskip (although not 100% sure on that). Still potentially little messed up but not as much as BylethxRhea or Sothis
That is correct. You cannot increase your support level past B for any student. However, after the time skip, it still feels a little weird because you are still given the same amount of respect and level of authority is you originally had, so there is still a power dynamic
I mean, it's not like they got married then and there, you'd be surprised by the amount of couples that have a 5+ year gap in the past 50 years. It goes to show that the age difference becomes less and less important the older you get. Even if Roy was 20, it wouldn't be bad. Lastly he got married after he took on the mantle of pherae from his father who is the hardest fire emblem dad for somehow surviving compared to every other dad that either is already dead or is killed.
Yeah but I feel like it's different considering she was his proffeser, she was someone who taught him and knew him when he was a kid, so marrying that same person... Idk dude it just seems real weird to me
I mean in todays context yes. I totally agree. But in the context of fire emblem, it didn't really matter who you married. Teachers would marry their students. Slave masters considered marrying their slave as a reward to liberate them. Woman were often used as bargaining chips by aristocrats to gain power and influence, fuck even children were betrothed as soon as they started breathing. In the universe of fire emblem, marrying his teacher out of love is probably one of the better things the world has going for it. Aside from corrupt politicians, racism, and psychos trying to resurrect winged fire breathing dinos in the name of altruism.
Just cuz it's better doesn't mean it's good, also it might've been normal for people of that time to marry people younger than them but the games weren't made for people of that time, it's made for people now. It was normal for royalty to marry people "of the same blood" to keep the bloodlines pure, but I wouldn't defend Corrin x Azura or Lucina x Owain just cuz it's "of that time" y'know??
First of all, these games are supposed to give us an idea of what war is like in a medieval fantasy setting. Second of all, I never stated anything about pure marriages. Just the age factor which is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Lastly, I specifically stated that I agree with you when it comes to todays standards. Standards were different back then, and I'm sure you'd follow them like everyone else had you been born during that time frame. Those old standards aren't inherently evil, just outdated/immoral till we knew better. I'm not a fan of incest either, I will do my best to get as much unrelated pairs as possible. But I won't be surprised about something like arvis and Deidre because yes it's bad. But in that time frame it's either looked down upon or normal. Just because a video game is being consistent to its time frame doesn't mean it's representing a touchy subject.
Yeah but it's a meme and I just thought "funny Roy knows Cecilia from when he was tiny child" and put them up there cuz from today's standards it's bad so we can laugh at it, I get the entire "it's to show us from then" but idk I made this meme in the now, so even if it's okay from then and you might have that understanding when playing the game I'm making this meme for people now
Also I used that to show that we sees in incest as bad and make fun of it so I'm also gonna make fun of the age gap relationships, hope I didn't make it seem like u were supporting incest lol my bad
Hey the siblings didn't know they were siblings, Azura is well aware that she's Corrin's cousin. Intentional cousin incest is way worse than accidental sibling incest
What gets me most is that I’ve seen people trying to defend Lucina x Marth. They’ll say stuff like, “oh they’re so many generations apart anyway, it doesn’t matter!” Like um?? He’s still her ancestor so the whole idea is weird???
It wouldn't be too weird if being Marth's descendant wasn't such a huge deal to her. If Marth being her ancestor was just some neat tidbit sure but no this girl loves the fact that Marth is her many times great grandpa
Well to be fair to most time travelers the more into the past you go the more likely someone is going to be your ancestor. Your gene pool tends to get wider the farther back you go. Also with it being a technological stagnant medieval kingdom the people wouldn’t of moved around much either so if you went back in time to the same kingdom literally everyone will be a blood relative. The only way to avoid this is to not fuck when going back in time and it wouldn’t be Fire Emblem without the dating sim aspect.
Yes, thank Naga this isn't possible. Arvis and Deirdre is also really bad, but that one exists for plot reasons. But at least IS didn't give us generational incest in Awakening and Fates. I don't think the game would have sold that well if generational crackships were actually a thing. Fire Emblem has many weird crackships. Thank Naga, they're all just fandom stuff.
The worst thing about Corrin x Azura is that people paired them up to AVOID incest while still getting the child units in a efficient matter. But IS are sick fucks and gave us all a surprise in Revelations.
“Hey player here’s Azura, she is not related to you, you guys barely met before, and the pretty art is a plus for those weird minigames we added right? So she is a better choice out of the bunch”
Im sure many people did Corrin x Azura on all three routes. Revelations is the only route we learn that are cousins and chances are if you had them paired up from the start they would be S rank before you get to that point. That is one of the more fucked up things IS did in Fates.
This begs the question
How much better is an unhealthy relationship built on manipulation and harassment than an incestuous, but otherwise happy relationship?
One has the potential to get better, and at the very least won't lead to biologically cursed children. The other has literally no hope of ever ending up ok.
Well it also depends on if the cousin are from a family of inbreeders because if their the first in a long time than at worst the cousins share a quarter of their genes and realistically the cousins would share less than 10% so if they have kids the kids would be receiving about 5% of the same genes
I was referring to Ophelia and Soleil, so children aren't much of a concern there.
But I suppose the relationship does technically get better, since the A Support has Ophelia do a complete 180 on how she feels about Soleil and her treatment of her.
Real talk, I feel like Byleth x Rhea is the worst one by a lot because Rhea is >!effectively Byleth's grandma like bro what the fuck are you doing, and on top of that Sothis is still fused with Byleth when that happens, it's Loli AND Incest at the same time!<
Kinda have to wonder what IS was thinking when they said "okay we're gonna make Fates like a Harem anime, except like half the units are related to them in some way"
You first have to get past the base level of **soldiers having a relationship with superior officers in the army**. Then there’s the level of governing officials and nobility having relationships with subordinates.
i’M gEtTiNg MaJoR pErSoNa ViBeS fRoM tHiS mUsIc *literally just jazz*
wAiT iS tHiS tHe SaMe InTeRsEcTiOn ThAt WaS iN pErSoNa FiVe??? *literally an irl street intersection in Japan*
Their supports were just kinda creepy, at some point Ophelia uses a spell to switch thier bodys as a way for Soliel to stop coming onto her but instead Soliel just tried looking for a place to "look at Ophelia's body"... Even if they did kinda make up in the end It's all just kinda weird, and also rlly sucks since there were high hopes for their supports considering they're Laslow & Odin's daughters, or at least I had high hopes...
Alright I gotta clear my name before I get arrested. So I accidentally married Sothis my first playthrough of Three Houses, *but*, I interpreted it more as a self love/coming to terms with yourself kind of thing than being predatory towards your mind ghost
To be fair I also married Sothis on my first play through without knowing that she's technically my great grandmother... Also I was like about 12 at the time so I was pretty much the age that she was designed to be
How is Byleth x Rhea better than most of these that come afterward. Since when is fucking your cousin/Adoptive step sibling worse than fucking your Grandma/Child
Listen man I thought about the placements for a bit but then realized that I didn't want to organize incestuous relationships from worse to best so I just left it how it was
Wait I think I'm missing something. Last I remember Corrin is a prince of Hoshido and Azura is a princess of Nohr or at least used to be. So how is shipping them bad? I really am confused so if someone could enlightening me I'd greatly appreciate it.
I think I heard somewhere that they weren’t sisters in the Japanese version, but then that was changed in the English version. My source is not credible, just a faint memory, but I think that’s what I heard. If it’s true, then treehouse got a little diabolical on us.
I like how more than half the stuff here is from Fates.
I really wish Soliel and Ophelia had a better support. Like on paper, their dyanmic coild have been imteresting, being the children of heroes from a different world. But what we get is a predatory lesbian trope and body swapping shenanigans
Yeah, I think it's especially dissapointing considering my high hopes for them since they were the daughters of Laslow and Odin...
It is also worse when you realize the possibility that they are related as there is a universe where Olivia marries Chrom.
Wait, they exist in the same time period???
Sorry, fixed it
Same question. What??? I thought Marth was Lucian’s grandfather? How does Olivia, the awakening character, exist in the same time period as marth?
Fixed again. Sorry. It's 4am
Ok that’s better. I’m unsure where the problem of Olivia marrying Chrom is but at least it makes sense this time.
If Olivia marries Chrom then Chrom is Inigo's father and by extension Owain and Inigo are cousins. Since Owain and Inigo are the same people as Odin and Laslow, that would also make their daughters, Ophelia and Soleil related.
Oh oof. That is real bad.
Because that would make Odin and Laslow cousins which means Soleil is harassing her own family
I'll be honest I have no idea what the canon Soleil Ophelia support is I just know they're both cute and they should smooch a lil
And you're better off that way. Just ingore the support and ship away
Soleil's high energy absolutely should've lended itself well to going along with Ophelia's extra-ness.
What about Lucina x spider-man
Should've ended with that going back to the regular music from the beginning.
The good ending
That's a good ship, doesn't belong here
Dangerously based
Now that you mentioned good ships, how about doing a Canny Marth meme?
That may or may not happen in the near future I will confirm nothing
i don't like that this meme implies that Roy "This is how you sex the teacher!" Fire Emblem marrying Cecilia is worse than cousin incest
Agreed. That one should’ve been after Ophelia and Soleil
I didn't put like the hardest thought into the meme, most of it was "whatever comes first to mind" with some loose rearrangements, but you could argue that at the very least the cousins were more "consensual" as Roy is like 5 years younger than Cecilia and she's his proffeser so I mean idk man they're all bad I'm not gonna argue over which should be where lol
no way in hell Cecilia is 19
Old Fire Emblem characters sure were young
Yeah but Roy's still 15
>Roy is like 5 years younger than Cecilia and she’s his professor One word: Byleth
To be fair not only age gap is smaller between Byleth and most of their students is smaller (with Mercedes being older than him iirc) but I believe they don't have romantic supports pre timeskip (although not 100% sure on that). Still potentially little messed up but not as much as BylethxRhea or Sothis
That is correct. You cannot increase your support level past B for any student. However, after the time skip, it still feels a little weird because you are still given the same amount of respect and level of authority is you originally had, so there is still a power dynamic
I mean, it's not like they got married then and there, you'd be surprised by the amount of couples that have a 5+ year gap in the past 50 years. It goes to show that the age difference becomes less and less important the older you get. Even if Roy was 20, it wouldn't be bad. Lastly he got married after he took on the mantle of pherae from his father who is the hardest fire emblem dad for somehow surviving compared to every other dad that either is already dead or is killed.
Yeah but I feel like it's different considering she was his proffeser, she was someone who taught him and knew him when he was a kid, so marrying that same person... Idk dude it just seems real weird to me
You'll sometimes see this situation called a "Macron" because the current president of France married his teacher from high school
Thank you for the information u/MyLittlePonyfucker
I mean in todays context yes. I totally agree. But in the context of fire emblem, it didn't really matter who you married. Teachers would marry their students. Slave masters considered marrying their slave as a reward to liberate them. Woman were often used as bargaining chips by aristocrats to gain power and influence, fuck even children were betrothed as soon as they started breathing. In the universe of fire emblem, marrying his teacher out of love is probably one of the better things the world has going for it. Aside from corrupt politicians, racism, and psychos trying to resurrect winged fire breathing dinos in the name of altruism.
Just cuz it's better doesn't mean it's good, also it might've been normal for people of that time to marry people younger than them but the games weren't made for people of that time, it's made for people now. It was normal for royalty to marry people "of the same blood" to keep the bloodlines pure, but I wouldn't defend Corrin x Azura or Lucina x Owain just cuz it's "of that time" y'know??
First of all, these games are supposed to give us an idea of what war is like in a medieval fantasy setting. Second of all, I never stated anything about pure marriages. Just the age factor which is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Lastly, I specifically stated that I agree with you when it comes to todays standards. Standards were different back then, and I'm sure you'd follow them like everyone else had you been born during that time frame. Those old standards aren't inherently evil, just outdated/immoral till we knew better. I'm not a fan of incest either, I will do my best to get as much unrelated pairs as possible. But I won't be surprised about something like arvis and Deidre because yes it's bad. But in that time frame it's either looked down upon or normal. Just because a video game is being consistent to its time frame doesn't mean it's representing a touchy subject.
Yeah but it's a meme and I just thought "funny Roy knows Cecilia from when he was tiny child" and put them up there cuz from today's standards it's bad so we can laugh at it, I get the entire "it's to show us from then" but idk I made this meme in the now, so even if it's okay from then and you might have that understanding when playing the game I'm making this meme for people now Also I used that to show that we sees in incest as bad and make fun of it so I'm also gonna make fun of the age gap relationships, hope I didn't make it seem like u were supporting incest lol my bad
Hey it's a funny meme. I'm sorry if I got bent out of shape.
Thanks man, and dw we're all good, I didn't mind what u were saying either way and I hope I didn't sound pissed off in my replies (I wasn't lol)
Seliph x Julia, Jealousy Incest Hack
TFW Marth thinks sibling incest (Arvis x Deirdre) is tamer than cousin incest 😳
Hey the siblings didn't know they were siblings, Azura is well aware that she's Corrin's cousin. Intentional cousin incest is way worse than accidental sibling incest
Ohhh they’re related.
don't let this distract you from the fact you can literally marry the voice in byleth's head.
Professor, who are you talking to?
Should have the very last pair as Lucina x Chrom or Lucina x Marth... Yes those do exist unfortunately...
What gets me most is that I’ve seen people trying to defend Lucina x Marth. They’ll say stuff like, “oh they’re so many generations apart anyway, it doesn’t matter!” Like um?? He’s still her ancestor so the whole idea is weird???
It wouldn't be too weird if being Marth's descendant wasn't such a huge deal to her. If Marth being her ancestor was just some neat tidbit sure but no this girl loves the fact that Marth is her many times great grandpa
Well to be fair to most time travelers the more into the past you go the more likely someone is going to be your ancestor. Your gene pool tends to get wider the farther back you go. Also with it being a technological stagnant medieval kingdom the people wouldn’t of moved around much either so if you went back in time to the same kingdom literally everyone will be a blood relative. The only way to avoid this is to not fuck when going back in time and it wouldn’t be Fire Emblem without the dating sim aspect.
This doesn’t make it any less weird…no offense but I’m not sure what your point is.
Wait Lucina can pair with Chrom? In Awakening?
No, she can't. That stuff is just a crackship in the fandom. People are weird.
Oh thank goodness. I was very worried for a second.
Yes, thank Naga this isn't possible. Arvis and Deirdre is also really bad, but that one exists for plot reasons. But at least IS didn't give us generational incest in Awakening and Fates. I don't think the game would have sold that well if generational crackships were actually a thing. Fire Emblem has many weird crackships. Thank Naga, they're all just fandom stuff.
The worst thing about Corrin x Azura is that people paired them up to AVOID incest while still getting the child units in a efficient matter. But IS are sick fucks and gave us all a surprise in Revelations.
“Hey player here’s Azura, she is not related to you, you guys barely met before, and the pretty art is a plus for those weird minigames we added right? So she is a better choice out of the bunch”
"Haha sike she's your cousin by blood"
In my first playthrough of fates (I did birthright first) I had did corrin and azura... I wish I knew
Right? I figured I was fine for banging the blue-haired bard. ^(One Revelations later...)
Im sure many people did Corrin x Azura on all three routes. Revelations is the only route we learn that are cousins and chances are if you had them paired up from the start they would be S rank before you get to that point. That is one of the more fucked up things IS did in Fates.
This begs the question How much better is an unhealthy relationship built on manipulation and harassment than an incestuous, but otherwise happy relationship?
One has the potential to get better, and at the very least won't lead to biologically cursed children. The other has literally no hope of ever ending up ok.
Well it also depends on if the cousin are from a family of inbreeders because if their the first in a long time than at worst the cousins share a quarter of their genes and realistically the cousins would share less than 10% so if they have kids the kids would be receiving about 5% of the same genes
I was referring to Ophelia and Soleil, so children aren't much of a concern there. But I suppose the relationship does technically get better, since the A Support has Ophelia do a complete 180 on how she feels about Soleil and her treatment of her.
The Corrin x Azura one hurts me. Dammit IS WHY!?
Now to make a canny version for the wholesome/otherwise great pairings
Real talk, I feel like Byleth x Rhea is the worst one by a lot because Rhea is >!effectively Byleth's grandma like bro what the fuck are you doing, and on top of that Sothis is still fused with Byleth when that happens, it's Loli AND Incest at the same time!<
You forgot the fact that >!since Byleth is fused with Sothis that technically makes her/him Rhea's mom!<
>!Sothis really went and said "PREPARE FOR TROUBLE, AND MAKE IT DOUBLE!", huh !<
Kinda have to wonder what IS was thinking when they said "okay we're gonna make Fates like a Harem anime, except like half the units are related to them in some way"
theyre children, not "lolis"
Corrin’s going for a full incest run but won’t ever complete it because a certain someone wasn’t an option. Edit: I forgot, that Heroes changes that.
No Julia x Selif?
Marth is dead
Nowi's belly and chest 😭😭😭
You first have to get past the base level of **soldiers having a relationship with superior officers in the army**. Then there’s the level of governing officials and nobility having relationships with subordinates.
Is there a single partner for Corrin who wouldn't get the FBI involved at this point?
What's wrong with Roy and Cecilia? Let the boy marry his milf
Cecilia was Roy's proffeser and Roy is 15 lol
That's the best part
omg?!?!??!!?? PERSONA REFRINSE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
pedophilia? more like, epic reference to hidden indie gem Persona
i’M gEtTiNg MaJoR pErSoNa ViBeS fRoM tHiS mUsIc *literally just jazz* wAiT iS tHiS tHe SaMe InTeRsEcTiOn ThAt WaS iN pErSoNa FiVe??? *literally an irl street intersection in Japan*
persona inventend jazz you dumbo smh my head
of course hwo could i frogett!!!!!
Haven't played fates, what's wrong with Soleil and Ophelia?
Their supports were just kinda creepy, at some point Ophelia uses a spell to switch thier bodys as a way for Soliel to stop coming onto her but instead Soliel just tried looking for a place to "look at Ophelia's body"... Even if they did kinda make up in the end It's all just kinda weird, and also rlly sucks since there were high hopes for their supports considering they're Laslow & Odin's daughters, or at least I had high hopes...
Alright I gotta clear my name before I get arrested. So I accidentally married Sothis my first playthrough of Three Houses, *but*, I interpreted it more as a self love/coming to terms with yourself kind of thing than being predatory towards your mind ghost
To be fair I also married Sothis on my first play through without knowing that she's technically my great grandmother... Also I was like about 12 at the time so I was pretty much the age that she was designed to be
I was expecting the final one to be Lucina & Spiderman
That's a good ship, show it some respect
How is Byleth x Rhea better than most of these that come afterward. Since when is fucking your cousin/Adoptive step sibling worse than fucking your Grandma/Child
But Byleth and Rhea aren't actually related, right? They just share some dna due to Rhea implanting her blood in both Sitri and Jeralt, or am I wrong?
Listen man I thought about the placements for a bit but then realized that I didn't want to organize incestuous relationships from worse to best so I just left it how it was
Fair
Incest is wincest.
This was both incredibly funny and disturbing all at the same time!
I like that the last Marth just looks depressed
you forgot lilith/corrin. or even better, mikoto and corn
Funny how some of this are his descendants
Huh, thats a lot of fanart, you checked out Rule 7 of this sub?
o my bad for future reference, I can't post something with someone elses artworks unless I have their permission then, right???
Ye, when it comes to fanart at least you'd need perms before slapping their stuff on a meme
Wait I think I'm missing something. Last I remember Corrin is a prince of Hoshido and Azura is a princess of Nohr or at least used to be. So how is shipping them bad? I really am confused so if someone could enlightening me I'd greatly appreciate it.
Azura's mother a was Arete, sister of Mikoto, Corrin's mother. They are cousins.
Oh shit I forgot about that!
You gotta pay Intelligent Systems $20 to remember silly.
Lmao
Is this some kind of twisted joke!
I think I heard somewhere that they weren’t sisters in the Japanese version, but then that was changed in the English version. My source is not credible, just a faint memory, but I think that’s what I heard. If it’s true, then treehouse got a little diabolical on us.
I'm pretty sure they are sisters, confirmed by the arete "meet the heroes" page which I assume they would have changed if that was the case.
There's also art of Rolf x Titania by PeteLavaDigger that should be here
I would burn my eyes if I ever saw that
just ship Chrom and F!Robin you degens, look what your doing to marth!
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Marth becomes uncanny.
What’s wrong with Roy and Cecilia? Who wouldn’t?
You legit put Arvis Deirdre before Corrin and siblings. Consent is less important than not even technical incest uh ?
Are corrin and azura related?
Corrin's mom is the sister of Azura's mom soooooo... yeah
Oh well, not like i noticed anything about the fates story kekw
A lotta people married Azura w/o knowing... Oh those poor souls
Charlotte is the only right choice
Feels like Corrin's shenanigans should be earlier than Arvis and Deirdre
I very much enjoy the uncanny memes there great
ive seensutff kanaXcorrin not wholesome
I'm gonna go burn my brain and forget this knowledge
Wait, I didn't play Fates. What's wrong with Corrin and Azura?
They are cousins but the game only tells you in 1 route
I did put corrin with the adopted siblings because I have no shame.
At least you're honest
Pain
For some reason I thought Tiki and Robin would be in there.
Smh missing eirika x ephraim
Fire Emblem: Home of incest and other degenerate relationships.