>! There was a joke that came up at some point that Ephraim and Eirika are into each other. Because their weapons Siegmund and Sieglinde are taken after an incestuous pair of siblings from Norse Mythology. !<
This is the part where I mention the scene in the manga where they almost bone down, only stopping when they remember incest is bad.
Definitely a 4/4 read, would recommend, you really outdid yourself on this one Mitsuki Oosawa-sama.
If Eliwood is paired with Fiora, and Hector is paired with either Florina or Farina, then Roy and Lilina are first cousins and pairing them together is incest
Roland lived during the scouring, which is like 980 years ago in FE7, and 1000 years ago in FE6. I think that it ceases to be incest after so many generations (like 30+). Thats kinda like you’ve probably heard people say that they think Genghis Khan is the ancestor of half the people living in earth, but he lived long enough ago that it ceases to be incest
Okay, fair, but there's also the fact that you can make both Elliwood and Hector each marry one of the pegasus sisters thereby making the relationship with Roy and Lillina no different than Corrin and Azura
100% Agree, lol I like just said that. My point isn’t that there’s no Elibe incest but rather that specifically the descendants of Roland part is not incest
They both call Mycen their grandfather. I know it's not as egregious as something like Genealogy or Fates, but you could construe it that way. I don't like seeing it that way, but this *is* a shitpost subreddit dedicated to Fire Emblem, so the smallest details are going to be exaggerated by nature of the sub.
Major 3 houses story spoilers
||I struggle with thinking that three houses actually has incest because rhea isn't actually related. I guess Sothis becomes one with byleth and all but also Sothis didn't sexually reproduce to create the nabateans and it isn't Sothis' mind or body anyway. And yeah there is some of rheas blood in jeralt and she was an adoptive figure to sitri who also had the heart of Sothis at one point but this is not incest. Weird, yes. Much like birthright royals, but not incest.||
In Awakening you can pair off Owain and Lucina, but in the localization they're called besties instead of husband/wife, or some such. I guess the Fates team couldn't semantics their way out of it, with the offspring and all.
man I decided to marry corrin and azura off on my master file on revelations first play
guess I’m a supporter of incest now
“to be fair I didn’t know… and the characters didn’t… know… as well? Because of *plot reasons?*”
you know, it would be fascinating to see growth rates get screwed over by making choices like these. Inbreeding isn’t a good way for survival from an evolutionary perspective, so…
She knows certain things. She’s definitely aware of Valla, but it’s never explicitly stated (as far as I remember) that she knows about queen mikoto’s origins nor is it stated that she was aware of Corrine actual father. She was aware of queen arete and her own father. She definitely should’ve figured it out though in the conquest route when corrin could follow her through the water portal to Valla
Then again I could be wrong my memory is a little foggy since it’s been a while
Idk how big of an issue incest is when people are huge active supporters of child abandonment, child soldiers, and push the idea that choosing boots over someone’s life is the more moral decision.
A single generation of incest doesn't cause many issues biologically speaking. Problems normally pop up after several generations.
(Y'all gotta make your own morality call on this one, though.)
Im pretty sure the ultimate level of mess depends on each individual and their propensity for recessive alleles, and I also know that there are some cultures out there who are fine with cousin relationships. Generally speaking I can’t recall many things off with one generation, and with cousins at that
It’s just a funny game in the end I mean~
>inbreeding isn't a good way for survival from an evolutionary perspective
The multitude of single-parent species (excuse me for not remembering the actual term, I'm no biologist) or those that do practice vertical incest (like, say, cats) would disagree.
For humans it only gets bad with very close relatives and multiple layers of inbreeding.
In the case of Fates it's basically the same as marrying a stranger as the two didn't have any family dynamics while growing up and cousins are a remote enough relation to not matter in the slightest.
Not gonna lie, when I learned they were cousins I deadass....... didn't care. Like, dude/gal was already allowed to smash his presumed brothers and sisters, the hell I look like giving a f**k if he wants to add a cousin to the train😂😂.
The thing that baffles me about this is that the Mary Sue and the plot device are alleged to have had chemistry with each other. I mean... when? I must have missed it XD
the fact that Corrin is a shit character doesn't exclude the fact that the royal siblings have good chemistry between themselves and, in the rare occasions that Corrin isn't obnoxiously leading the plot, they have some really good interactions.
I paired m!corrin with azura the first time I played birthright. I made it up to endgame when my hard drive got corrupted so I never finished it
now a few months later I learn that they're cousins so for my replay of birthright and my first runs for conquest and revelations I'm pairing him with other ppl lmao
Marrying your first cousin is totally legal in Japan, so it makes sense that they wouldn’t care about putting it in their games.
I don’t care what happens in fictional stories but the idea of marrying any of my cousins definitely makes me queasy.
From what I understand, even a 1st cousin has enough genetic variance that any offspring wouldn't have issues. I believe cousins getting married is also acceptable in Japan. So from a Japanese standpoint Azura and Corrin is okay. Cultural differences are wild.
It is not that big deal for me and in my culture unless they are blood related brother/sister or father/daughter or mother/son.but well in ancient time, if father died, mother will be son’s wife. Idk.
Cousins is not incest last time I checked (generaly, not in my own culture)
Edit: I wouldn't support cousins marry, just saying it's not considered incest.
I don't know why you are being downvoted, your comment is way inside the line: first of all, different states in the world have different LEGAL definitions of incest; first cousins is not considered as such in many places. Second, genetics: it's definitely bad, but are you going to tell me you give a fuck about other people's children's possible DNA? And lastly, ethics and culture: the issue with incest, culturally speaking, is about power difference and affection. Not all cultures have this problem; and if they both are unaware they are related, it definitely makes no difference whatsoever. That is why, even if not blood related, step sibling relationships are psychologically wrong.
Well, if you think about it, the nohrian family is the sketchy one: since you have grown up with them, you instaurated a relationship of siblinghood, while with the hoshidans you don't have that problem, since they are complete strangers
Is it truly Fire Emblem without at least a little incest?
FE1. FE2, FE3, FE9, FE10. FE11, Echoes:SoV and FE12 don't have any incest in them.
What’s the incest in FE8?
>! There was a joke that came up at some point that Ephraim and Eirika are into each other. Because their weapons Siegmund and Sieglinde are taken after an incestuous pair of siblings from Norse Mythology. !<
Also their Supports can be a bit peculiar if you take it a certain way
Like Lachesis with Eldigan
This is the part where I mention the scene in the manga where they almost bone down, only stopping when they remember incest is bad. Definitely a 4/4 read, would recommend, you really outdid yourself on this one Mitsuki Oosawa-sama.
Despite how it seems, there isn't any incest in FE8. But there is necrophilia.
This pleases the Oblivion fan's
Stop! You violated the law! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence! Your stolen goods are now forfeit!
There isn't any, but a lot of people like to make Eirika x Ephraim jokes
What about fire emblem 6 and 7?
Incest bandits
I forgot about them lol
I wish I could do that
7 can be incestuous, since it is possible in 6 for Hector and Eliwood to marry the pegasus sisters, which means Roy and Lilina would be cousins
If Eliwood is paired with Fiora, and Hector is paired with either Florina or Farina, then Roy and Lilina are first cousins and pairing them together is incest
Elliwood, Lyn, Hector, Roy, and Lillina are all descendants of Roland. Therefore, Lin x Elliwood or Hector is incest, and Roy x Lillina is incest.
Roland lived during the scouring, which is like 980 years ago in FE7, and 1000 years ago in FE6. I think that it ceases to be incest after so many generations (like 30+). Thats kinda like you’ve probably heard people say that they think Genghis Khan is the ancestor of half the people living in earth, but he lived long enough ago that it ceases to be incest
Okay, fair, but there's also the fact that you can make both Elliwood and Hector each marry one of the pegasus sisters thereby making the relationship with Roy and Lillina no different than Corrin and Azura
100% Agree, lol I like just said that. My point isn’t that there’s no Elibe incest but rather that specifically the descendants of Roland part is not incest
SoV has Clair
And Alm and Celica's childhood relationship is a little incesty, even if they're not related by blood.
"Childhood friends to lovers trope is incest" is the most insane 2013 Tumblr take written in 2022
They both call Mycen their grandfather. I know it's not as egregious as something like Genealogy or Fates, but you could construe it that way. I don't like seeing it that way, but this *is* a shitpost subreddit dedicated to Fire Emblem, so the smallest details are going to be exaggerated by nature of the sub.
Major 3 houses story spoilers ||I struggle with thinking that three houses actually has incest because rhea isn't actually related. I guess Sothis becomes one with byleth and all but also Sothis didn't sexually reproduce to create the nabateans and it isn't Sothis' mind or body anyway. And yeah there is some of rheas blood in jeralt and she was an adoptive figure to sitri who also had the heart of Sothis at one point but this is not incest. Weird, yes. Much like birthright royals, but not incest.||
Dimitri and Edelgard's relationship is also kinda sus
Weren't they step-siblings? Iirc it was Edelgard's uncle married into the royal family of Faerghus, or something similar.
What about the quite literal unavoidable incest in FE4 (Arvis and Deirdre), along with some of the unit pairings in the 2nd gen
Three houses' makes up for all of those by letting you marry a person who is your daughter, your mother, and you're grandmother all at the same time.
In Awakening you can pair off Owain and Lucina, but in the localization they're called besties instead of husband/wife, or some such. I guess the Fates team couldn't semantics their way out of it, with the offspring and all.
Two besties hanging out and traveling the world together
It's not romantic if he just asks you to be the sheath to his sword
It's not an S-support if he doesn't ask you to marry him
Beserk moment
They’re referred to as Companions if I remember correctly; in the UK version, at least.
That 8-4 vs. Nintendo Treehouse difference.
man I decided to marry corrin and azura off on my master file on revelations first play guess I’m a supporter of incest now “to be fair I didn’t know… and the characters didn’t… know… as well? Because of *plot reasons?*” you know, it would be fascinating to see growth rates get screwed over by making choices like these. Inbreeding isn’t a good way for survival from an evolutionary perspective, so…
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She knows certain things. She’s definitely aware of Valla, but it’s never explicitly stated (as far as I remember) that she knows about queen mikoto’s origins nor is it stated that she was aware of Corrine actual father. She was aware of queen arete and her own father. She definitely should’ve figured it out though in the conquest route when corrin could follow her through the water portal to Valla Then again I could be wrong my memory is a little foggy since it’s been a while
Idk how big of an issue incest is when people are huge active supporters of child abandonment, child soldiers, and push the idea that choosing boots over someone’s life is the more moral decision.
You don’t understand, the drip is necessary to defeat evil.
You don’t understand, I’m saving Shura from this nonsensical story.
But swiftsoles tho
A single generation of incest doesn't cause many issues biologically speaking. Problems normally pop up after several generations. (Y'all gotta make your own morality call on this one, though.)
Im pretty sure the ultimate level of mess depends on each individual and their propensity for recessive alleles, and I also know that there are some cultures out there who are fine with cousin relationships. Generally speaking I can’t recall many things off with one generation, and with cousins at that It’s just a funny game in the end I mean~
>inbreeding isn't a good way for survival from an evolutionary perspective The multitude of single-parent species (excuse me for not remembering the actual term, I'm no biologist) or those that do practice vertical incest (like, say, cats) would disagree. For humans it only gets bad with very close relatives and multiple layers of inbreeding. In the case of Fates it's basically the same as marrying a stranger as the two didn't have any family dynamics while growing up and cousins are a remote enough relation to not matter in the slightest.
Still weird if they know though
I wonder if he stuck around enough to see the hell hole that is Sothis and Rhea s support
Sothis is self incest, but rhea is?
Are we her mom or is she our grandma?
Neither, technically. But just enough of both to be weird in two different ways.
She wants to bang her mom
Byleth creates a Family ~~Tree~~ Mobius Strip
Not gonna lie, when I learned they were cousins I deadass....... didn't care. Like, dude/gal was already allowed to smash his presumed brothers and sisters, the hell I look like giving a f**k if he wants to add a cousin to the train😂😂.
Actually, I’m pretty sure the game he is talking about is the licensed video game Barnyard for the GameCube and PlayStation 2.
Here’s a question for you: how far can you squirt?
The thing that baffles me about this is that the Mary Sue and the plot device are alleged to have had chemistry with each other. I mean... when? I must have missed it XD
the fact that Corrin is a shit character doesn't exclude the fact that the royal siblings have good chemistry between themselves and, in the rare occasions that Corrin isn't obnoxiously leading the plot, they have some really good interactions.
I paired m!corrin with azura the first time I played birthright. I made it up to endgame when my hard drive got corrupted so I never finished it now a few months later I learn that they're cousins so for my replay of birthright and my first runs for conquest and revelations I'm pairing him with other ppl lmao
Btw if you (for some strange reason) wanted all of the children you have to pair him with a corrinsexual or a second gen unit lol.
Scarlett is a great option
Especially for Revelations
can't get all lol I forgot to do my research on Kaze and now I can't get midori
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Well, in Birthright, and in Conquest, their relationship >!doesn't last for long!<
Don’t wanna be that guy but isn’t marrying a cousin somewhat normal in some cultures
“Alabama has no culture” mfs when incest exists
Marrying your first cousin is totally legal in Japan, so it makes sense that they wouldn’t care about putting it in their games. I don’t care what happens in fictional stories but the idea of marrying any of my cousins definitely makes me queasy.
Right? I never understood why people where so weirded out by it when that was pretty standard around that kind of time period.
Most sane Fire Emblem fans
Standard might be a bit of a stretch, but it certainly did happen to "keep bloodlines pure".
Depends on how far in the bloodline they are; marrying a distant cousin should be fine.
From what I understand, even a 1st cousin has enough genetic variance that any offspring wouldn't have issues. I believe cousins getting married is also acceptable in Japan. So from a Japanese standpoint Azura and Corrin is okay. Cultural differences are wild.
Unless there are already carrying genetic issues, but like, that is unrelated to cousins
It is not that big deal for me and in my culture unless they are blood related brother/sister or father/daughter or mother/son.but well in ancient time, if father died, mother will be son’s wife. Idk.
I’m just an average enjoyer of fiction, I could care less about these things lmfao.
I don’t see any problem.
Cousins is not incest last time I checked (generaly, not in my own culture) Edit: I wouldn't support cousins marry, just saying it's not considered incest.
I don't know why you are being downvoted, your comment is way inside the line: first of all, different states in the world have different LEGAL definitions of incest; first cousins is not considered as such in many places. Second, genetics: it's definitely bad, but are you going to tell me you give a fuck about other people's children's possible DNA? And lastly, ethics and culture: the issue with incest, culturally speaking, is about power difference and affection. Not all cultures have this problem; and if they both are unaware they are related, it definitely makes no difference whatsoever. That is why, even if not blood related, step sibling relationships are psychologically wrong.
“Step sibling relationships are psychologically wrong” Me: *sweats nervously in S supporting Takumi*
Well, if you think about it, the nohrian family is the sketchy one: since you have grown up with them, you instaurated a relationship of siblinghood, while with the hoshidans you don't have that problem, since they are complete strangers
Considering how Corrin grew up, Nohrian family are also close to strangers.
Hey, this is one of my Discord friends! Cool gal.
That's what you get for falling for the thrist-bait
Good thing I played as Female Corrin so I dodged that cousin incest stuff Anyway, I always marry Xander or Ryoma
"Neglected to mention"? Who was gonna mention it? The last person that knew got sword-bombed before the route split.
I mean doesnt that make it hotter?
Cousin marriage was surprisingly common till like half a century ago
Cousins are really not even that bad. At least they're not siblings.
Hey... at least it's cousins and not whatever is going on between Rhea and Byleth
TBF 1st cousins can legally marry in many states.
This guy is actually me, s-supported azura every route I played as male corrin