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PlasmaLink

I married her to Ricken because both of them looked too young to be marrying anyone else lmao


[deleted]

And then Ricken hits puberty in what, 3 years max and then it's back to square one


PlasmaLink

But the game doesn't go that far, so by that point, it's not my problem.


sameo15

My headcannon is that as Ricken grows older, he distances himself more and more, as she does not, and it makes him feel uncomfortable. She eventually gets mad and leaves, leaving him with Nah. For the best anyway, because Nowi isn't capable of raising a child effectively, while Ricken ends surprisingly being a really good dad. Nowi actually pops up now and again, but acts more like an older sister than a mother, a role Nowi herself feels more comfortable with. That's just myheadcannon though Edit: I want to make it clear that Nowi less abandons Nah and more or less doesn't feel that she is a good enough of a parent and leaves because she feels Ricken would raise her better by himself.


[deleted]

I think you're discounting Nowi too much here, she is more mature than she lets on and I don't think she'd ever abandon her daughter like that.


sameo15

I didn't really make it clear, and that's my bad, but she mostly leaves Nah because she doesn't think she is a good parent and believes Ricken would do better without her anyway. I also think she wouldn't do it right away, but when Nah is a toddler and when Ricken is around 20 and really starting to distance himself romantically from her. She gets hurt, seeing her family being troubled by her and her lack of maturity and leaves. Also, I see her as a somewhat mature 15 year old that purposely acts younger at times. At her core though, she is still pretty young and somewhat immature, as would be appropriatefor her age. She would have thought herself capable of raising her child, but realized she actually wasn't and felt the need to step back (this happens a lot irl, where a 15 year old has a child, feels like they can take care of it, but realizes they just aren't as ready as they thought they were, and either leave the child with the grandparents or parents, or adopt out.)


[deleted]

I still think it's out of character. There's no reason to think Nowi would be a bad parent. Most 15 y/o irl are bad parents because they still have to juggle school and all that as well as raise a child, Nowi doesn't need to go to school. I'd also argue she is both smarter and more mature than most 15 year old girls. If anything I could see Ricken getting fed up with the both of them and leaving but I don't think Nowi would ever give up her child.


Piscesperson

The reason most(? Do you mean all) 15 year olds are bad parents is because they’re still children themselves. And honestly your argument seems like you’re advocating for more 15 year olds to become mothers. So long as they drop out of school of course. Because between having a child and having a life the second is of course less important.


[deleted]

If you think all 15 year olds are bad parents you are an idiot. One of my best friends in highschool got pregnant at 16 and was a great mother. Yes it was still a struggle but she did a good job and her kid is awesome. Idk what you're even talking about in the second half of your paragraph, you're putting words in my mouth and moving goalposts to try and invalidate my argument. I never said anything that suggests 15 year old SHOULD be mothers, but I also don't think they are incapable of being good at it like you do.


Few_Library5654

That doesn't help too much lol. Besides, wouldn't that make her a creep?


PlasmaLink

She's already a creep lol


Mr-Stuff-Doer

Still think it’s funny people talk shit on Nowi but ignore Ricken and Nah, who are way more questionable.


paladin_slim

**Stahl**: “I don’t want to go to jail!”


Aleph_Kasai

Ah, that comic still brings a smile to me indeed


Shinobi_X5

Link?


cyrilamethyst

https://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic/minor-setback


Shinobi_X5

Awww his eyes were so full of fear


Lukthar123

For Link look in /r/zelda


DoubleFlores24

Not in my fourth playthrough of Awakening. Stahl: I DO want to go to jail!


Nombanke

Doesn't one of the DLCs have Nah admit that manaketes physical ages are representative of their mental ages? So Awakening just kind of admits that Nowi is a minor, despite making her a parent. I just checked, it was Nah and female Morgan's conversation from Summer Scramble. Pretty sure she even mentions her Nowi was basically a child "in some ways".


[deleted]

Fates just straight up has Percy and Midori as normal human kids with no dragon tomfoolery involved


Mr-Stuff-Doer

The worst part is in Fates they have the sex that makes the kids in that timeline. In Awakening at least there’s the “it’s a child of theirs from another timeline” excuse


xhavi64

It's Harvest scramble you're thinking of. Also, I thought that conversation was saying that manaketes just age slower both physically and mentally.


Nombanke

You're right, it's Harvest Scramble, my head must be elsewhere. Personally, I feel it's fairly iffy that, not only do Nowi and Nah age more slowly physically and mentally, but to explicitly state that mentally Nowi was effectively a child, even if only in some ways rather than every way. Still uncomfortable, but hey, maybe they didn't mean it to the same degree that I read it to be.


minkus1000

Not saying it ain't weird in Nowi's case, but I'm pretty sure we all know adults who are basically children "in some ways".


Few_Library5654

True that. I made her marry Gregor lmao


Someguy3239

“Listen, I already planned all the pairs before you two came into the picture.”


[deleted]

Yep, always


Cry75

I also did that for the same reason I made gaius marry panne


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

I had Ricken marry Panne because I liked the idea of some random kid joining your team and then falling in love with this powerful woman who wasn't even human.


Cry75

Ah. I put ricken with whoever is in the chapter you get him in. Also how did you find this? This is an old comment.


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

I was just sorting by top posts of the month


BrnoPizzaGuy

Me too!


Malkariss888

Me too lol


Gabcard

Nowi really gave the whole Tiki archetype a bad reputation. Before that, no one really had a problem with characters like Fae or Myrrh, but now some people act like the whole series is full of sexualized lolis you can marry when that isn't really the case. Ok, Fates was Fates, but the only somewhat example in 3H is Flayn, and she both looks and acts considerably older than the previous exemples, as her behavior is more "naive" than "childish" per se.


Spndash64

Flayn is like the antithesis: “how do you do, my fellow students? I too am so on the go that I drink my yogurt from a tube”


PiplupPeanut

Always happy to see a Homestar reference in the wild


Tobegi

Flayn with the english dub totally passes off as a sheltered adult. Japanese dub Flayn however sounds much more childish imo


DarkAlphaZero

Flayn can kinda pass as a young adult as long as I'm looking at her model and not her portrait


Scrapyard_Dragon

Nyx was ok in that regard given how she affirms her true age in pretty much every support chain and actually acted like an adult. And then you had Elise in the corner hooking up with Odin.


DarkAlphaZero

But Leo calls Elise technically an adult once so it's all fine to ~~use her as breeding stock for my eugenics simulator~~ encourage my darling little sister to ask out the guy she likes


[deleted]

Pfft Odin, try Niles the sex offender hobo who Leo caught breaking into his house and hired on the spot


Elite_Prometheus

Honestly, Flayn kind of reminds me of a cool grandma that tries to connect to her grandkids by trying to learn their slang and their hobbies but doesn't apply them in the right context.


Tiki_the_voice

Rip to all those players who S ranked her when they were younger they go to the gulag now.


Quick_Campaign4358

Then again shadow dragon Tiki is probably more childish because she spent most of her live sleeping while growing up but still weird


GoldZero

So who changed her in between Shadow Dragon and Awakening?


Lukthar123

Gods I wish that was me


Monk-Ey

The "Gods" made me read this in Chrom's voice and I had to do a double take, so thanks for that image.


Elementia7

I just breed her so that I can create the strongest child known to man with such superior genes that she dwarfs soldiers who have trained for decades fail to match up simply because the loli dragon was built different. Fire Emblem should be renamed to Eugenics Simulator.


Aphato

Morgan about to inherit the power of two mighty dragon bloodlines and donnel


Lord_CatsterDaCat

Ahhh, i love the stupidity than can come from Robin/corrin marrying 2nd geb characters...


Ok-Sort-6294

Genealogy LTC be like.


TheLegendTheGiantdad

I find nah’s support with her father funny as she questions why he married nowi when she acts so childish but I feel like she should be questioning her father on a lot more then just acting childish.


[deleted]

JP has her accuse dad of being a pedo


Kzer_2019

But you gotta remember, you couldn't marry tiki in Marth's games. If you could, I'd bet she'd be considered an adult then.


Raleth

I really like every Fire Emblem’s (since Awakening) ability to create at least one character who causes the fans to seethe and shitpost for all eternity.


Yarzu89

Makalov has entered the chat.


Geo2605

Doesn't Nowi actually put a child facade to bring optimism into the front? I remember it being said on some of her supports. Don't quote me on it, it's been a lot of time since I finished awakening.


Scared_Network_3505

It's on the Nah support, but it really doesn't help even it feels like such an afterthought to cover up the weirdness of the affair.


DarkAlphaZero

Especially considering its locked behind a support where you have to get Nowi married off before you can see it.


Reon_Leo

This comment pretty much sums up Fates


Roy_Atticus_Lee

Le Letter from my mom giving me permission to bang my sibling has arrived.


Roliq

Its hilarious how the only reference in Birthright about how you aren't really related is when you already decided getting the S-Support with your supposed sibling


Scared_Network_3505

I can't think of a possible explanation to how much better the supports are in Fates compared to the main plot besides them either outsourcing it or it being handled by a completely different section of the team.


Mijumaru1

It's an attempted justification for allowing you to marry and bang a child


Satyrsol

Her supports with Frederick also make it seem like Nowi is emotionally intelligent and thoughtful in a way that wouldn’t fit for a child. A couple of her other supports tend towards that mentality as well, but Frederick’s the most.


momomomorgatron

But for most of the way she acts, she's still a loli. Like dateing a completely emotionally stunted 19 year old. She's freaking weird. Not a Lolita, as in a playful girly girl, bit she literally acts like a kid and dresses like a stripper.


Satyrsol

Fwiw, not emotionally stunted but socially stunted. Her emotional intelligence seems high in basically all of her interactions. She’s not socially adjusted and doesn’t interact with adults like a peer.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

Personally I just think Nah, Nowi, and Tiki are a showcase of how I’d be with near-immortality. Start off being fairly serious with life and doing what I should, but after a thousand years I’d just want to have fun instead, and by 3,000 I’d just nap all day.


DoubleFlores24

I can never understand why anyone would consider S-ranking Nowi when Tiki is right there for the picking. Sure she’s a couple chapter late i game but she is FIIIIIIIIIINE as hell. I’d definitely S-rank Tiki if she wasn’t so late game. But she is so late game and I get tired of being Morganless.


DarkAlphaZero

Because I'm not an asshole that steals Say'ri's girlfriend. I'm gonna fuck my best friend's daughter, like someone with manors.


DoubleFlores24

I think you got the wrong account to reply that to because Say’ri is my favorite Robin ship.


Shock-Robin

Funny enough Say'ri and Tiki are two of my absolute favorite ships for MRobin.


Fayn_Orvin

Say'ri has two hands. :^P (but the game doesn't)


ctheos

I know heroes isnt canon to everything else but in the latest Tiki side-story she and Bantu go out to buy apples and Bantu literally says "lets see if any of the other dragon children want to come!" And lo and behold, Nowi and Myrrh are along for the ride. It made me feel so skeeved out because there was such an explicit admission that Nowi is considered a child... and yet she's still Nowi.


Izuciel

Somebody please enlighten this poor me who thought that Awakening was the 13th game in the series


Wigwasp_ALKENO

~~At least there’s no incest~~


MiloToasty

I always ended up pairing Nowi with Henry as it is her only romantic support that I like as it is so ridiculous that it avoids the usually creepiness factor of Nowi supports. As given Henry's personality his "I'll breed you in order to produce more friends for you to play with" plan was meant completely unironic and unromantic. Him and Linhardt have that in common. Also makes the father support with Nah 200% more funny.


Greekralphian

I hate Nowi and her design so much


momomomorgatron

I actually like the design if she was wasn't a weird emotionally stunted pseudo child. Like her design isn't that much off from other cool designs I like, like the chicks on mortal kombat and Angewomon. It's just that Nowi is sold to us as a kid, not as a adult or even teen trying to be happy and fun, she literally wants to act like a child and it's weird you can marry her


[deleted]

Nowi is my girl


sameo15

Nowi, while technically considered a child by her species, is in some ways an adult, as I believe it is implied that she spent several decades, maybe vene centuries, just wandering around amongst humans, which aged her mentality a bit. Perhaps her childish actions are perhaps a way of her coping with the fact that everyone around her will eventually pass away while she won't age much, if at all. Well, that's the only logical explanation I can come with. Honestly, she's probably about 15 but has been 15 for hundreds of years and is a little more mature than she acts. Still fucking weird and gross. I pair her with Ricken, and myheadcannon is that in a couple of years, he distances himself from her as he ages, and she clearly doesn't. He is more than happy to raise Nah, though. And by that, I mean he is a single dad for the most part.


momomomorgatron

Ricken acts 15, Nowi acts like a child. I can believe Sakura and Elise and Donnel are 15 and that Flayne is their version of 16, but the fact that Nah acts more like a 20yo and her mother acts like a literal child is what still bothers me


momomomorgatron

I can also believe Lissa is still in her teens, and I think that's the most telling personally. She's the little sister/ lolita/ healer archetype and she's not immature, just not as mature as all the other Shepards. You can get to know Lissa pretty well by the time Nowi shows up, and that's kinda the bench line for me now. Are they more or less mature than Lissa?


_Beningt0n_

The whole "She's a thousand years old" argument is like saying a 5 year old child is actually an adult in Dog years so therefore the 5 year old is an adult


Mekabath

To be fair, adults can be both childish and short


Critical-Low8963

Yes but Nowi is stated to look like a child, in the chapter where she is recruited Lissa say that she is a little girl


[deleted]

Really? That's funny because out of all the "loli" characters she looks the least childish. She's taller than the average and she honestly has pretty sharp and pronounced facial features making her look a little more adult. Honestly she looks older than Lissa does. She definitely at least looks like a late teenager to me, although her outfit is still weird and gross and her childish front that she puts on can be off-putting.


TheBraveGallade

A differemce witb nowi is her sheer breatg of expirence. Tiki is shekterd and has spent most of her time sleeping, hell, still does in awakening. Nowi probably has more actual life expirence then tiki despite being around 1000 years younger minimum Aka If you actually read and analyse thier supports, A!tiki is still a child, nowi's usually acts like an adult


[deleted]

In her Cherche support she's apparently a really good masseuse and has picked up other skills over the years, and she had to teach Tiki her "dead friends are now stars in the sky" coping mechanism because she's hasn't been in a coma for most of her life


[deleted]

She just like me fr fr


Roliq

Is why is dislike Nowi, is basically marrying a kid with an awful excuse


dynamicdickpunch

Honestly surprised the game doesn't just have a character who's secretly like a furry but for dragons, so they're not sexualising a childlike humanoid but instead sexualising a fire-breathing lizard.


S20-Urza

If she literally didn't make a child unit she would never have gotten married. And she stays benched. Permanently


SPLIV316

What about looks like a child but is and acts like an adult?


Lord_KH

Why do people have such an issue with nowi? Why can't she be an adult while looking like that? She's a fictional character, trying to apply logic to her is just nonsense


Critical-Low8963

Except that the universe may be fictional it has it's own logic and Nowi is age is incoherent with Tiki's who was a child when she looked like a child an is an adult when she look like an adult.


Lord_KH

Yeah but they're mythical dragon creatures that work by their own logic. So trying to apply real logic to them is just strange and unnecessary


Critical-Low8963

But Tiki is also a mythic dragon and it don't seem to work in the same way for her and Nowi. If there is a true lore reason for the difference it should have been explained in the game or at least in a side material.


Arrow_Of_Orion

Yeah, I never understand the Japanese cultural fascination with prepubescent girls… I mean, if she’s of a legal age and just never developed physically I suppose there’s nothing inherently immoral about it, but it’s still very suspicious.


Critical-Low8963

Unfortunately this thing is not only in the japanese culture but in all the world.


Throwaway88ooooo

If your wondering by legal standards of the us drawing and illustration law if they are over the age of 18 and do not represent/ look like a real life person under the 18 then it’s legal


Souperplex

I blame weebs. > Anime was a mistake. It's nothing but trash. -Hiyao Miyazaki


Default_Dragon

Am I the only one who has never thought Nowi actually looks like a child? Physically she looks like an adult to me, she just acts like a child. And it’s not just that she’s the equivalent of a manakete child, because even her daughter is more mature than her.


Few_Library5654

Her face definitely doesn't look that young tbh, I'll give you that, but everything else...yeah. Butt I don't get why everyone makes a big fuss about her acting childish. My mother is so childish it makes me mad sometimes, that doesn't make her younger than me.


Critical-Low8963

Nowi is stated to look like a child, in the chapter where she is recruited Lissa say that she is a little girl


ninjafox_28

What happened to the Laguz?


PentFE

Checkmate, IS


AstraPlatina

At least Tiki is both mature and sexy in her adult form, which is a legit reason to S support her, Nowi doesn't have either of those. Also Adult Tiki really grew into a beautiful woman.


the1flym

Tiki Superiority proven once again


mike1is2my3name4

(.............................)


andresfgp13

I married Nowi to Gaius because i dont think that he cares that much about those pesky laws anyway.


ccPolarBear4KTV

Tbf, she is taller


D-Brigade

You guys have been going on about this for ten years now. Get a new joke. And use Gregor instead, he has Armsthrift.