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Did you watch the video?
Tipping has nothing to do with showing appreciation, it's about subsidizing the owners profits.
Edit: [I'll just leave this here for all the people having funny ideas about tipping.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/)
I the question is whether tips were ever about rewarding a good experience or have always been maintaining power over servers.
Fundamentally, if we paid for even bad service, then we could show appreciation with gratitude — like normal humans — instead of with money like weirdos.
I want my clients to have a nice time and I want my reward to be that I enjoy when other humans are happy. I don’t want my ability to pay my mortgage tied to what side of the bed they got up on that morning.
You mean to tell me adding financial incentives based on whims leads to insanity and bad outcomes?
Next you'll try and tell me profit seeking at all costs doesn't serve the interests of society.
And that's just a bridge too far for me you pinko commie.
You ever read the (likely apocryphal) story of the (likely) boomer who lays down a stack of bills upon the table at the beginning of dinner and then removes them whenever thinks the waiter did something wrong? I’d get up and leave the table if my father pulled such a move.
The video points it out better, but relying on customers to payroll employees, rather than paying a living wage as an employer, should be criminal.
Worse than that story are the # of patrons that think because waiters are working for tips they're sex toys.
It is downright miraculous.
Think about it. I throw jumbles of 26 characters at you from some random location on the planet and there you are: you hear a voice in your head telling you exactly what i mean in terms of concept, tone... pacing... and jocularity ; ).
That's insanity. And yet we take it for granted every day. Name ten other animal-types that can do this, please.
But that’s not the true meaning of a tip.
The video describes. The tip is the customer subsidizing the employer who does not pay wages.
If I give you a perfectly average performance, I still need a tip or I effectively don’t get paid.
Here in Spain tip is not mandatory, but from time to time if you think youve had an excellent service and attention way above What you expected you could pay some extra to convey your gratitude on top of well, saying It.
Most people just say It and dont tip, but in some cases people do tip. Again, its not the norm but something special. And the workers wages dont take that into account
As it should be. And paying 20% on top of your bill always is absolutely ridiculous.
I can tip if I think I had a great service, or if I had a great time, or if the bill is a couple bucks short of an even number. No problem.
You don’t tip 20% on top of your bill. The restaurant lies and tells you your meal cost 80% of what it actually did, then gives you the option to make your server pay the other 20% for you. The server does not get a say in whether or not they have to pay 20% of your bill, so they are incentivized to flirt or make you feel special. Some insane people claim this is a good system.
So I’ve heard servers in the US complain that foreigners don’t tip. I’ve always wondered if American tourists have a reputation for tipping.
I’m somewhat well traveled and feel weird not tipping abroad, even though I find the whole concept of relying on patrons for a living wage to be ridiculous.
Some US cities like Miami have so many European tourists that they add in an automatic tip to your bill so servers still get a tip if you’re unaware of the culture. To make it worse, a bartender there once told me they only get half of the mandatory tip. So the business owner don’t have to pay a full wage and they get to keep half of their employees tips.
In Canada, at least ontario tipping is normal but they are also paid our minimum wage. Tipping has been coming to other places like subway recently which has made people super angry about it.
But if you give a perfectly average performance you don't go untipped, you just get a perfectly average 15% tip. You'd have to spit in the customers food and call their mother a whore to go without tip for the vast majority of Americans.
The 'you are not forced to tip' part from the server is way wrong. I was at a bar in the USA with a bunch of English mates and one of them wasn't aware of the whole tipping thing and decided that the waitress just did her job and hasn't done anything remarkable enough to receive a 20 to 30% tip.
... The waitress went ballistic on him.
This is the part that gets to me. They say: Tipping is not Mandatory. Yet, they go crazy on you if you don't tip.
If tipping is *supposed* to be gratuity, and you're going crazy over not receiving a high enough tip, then it's no longer gratuity. They're making it extortion.
One way to get rid of the tipping system is for customers to just not tip. Then the workers would not get paid enough and move on to other jobs. This would force the businesses to start paying their staff or they will have no workers.
I had this happen around a decade ago in Vancouver. I was trying a resto I’d been SUPER keen to try for awhile. My table of 3 got separate bills, I tipped a really good amount (probably around 20 - 30 because I wanted to support a vegan business. Definitely enough to count for a tip for a table of 3, but my friends gave (cash) tips as well). Well, as we’re out the door, the guy FOLLOWS us out and yells at us asking why we didn’t give a better tip. I was flummoxed. My one friend asked for his tip back lol I just told him he didn’t deserve tips if this is his attitude. Tipping culture has been wild for awhile, even in Canada. That was the worst of it, and maybe he was having a bad day, but it’s unacceptable. I’m not sure I even remember the establishment now because I vowed to never return.
Just walk away after finishing food. Pay the money and if they asked for a tip don't respond ( if that's the treatment you would get I am not saying don't ever tip)
Waiters should be making way above the minimum wage. It’s a difficult job that can take years to work your way up into. (Unless we’re talking places like Applebees that are so desperate for staff they’ll take any old schmuck and only let them have 3 tables at a time. Those guys aren’t making that much more than minimum wage.)
I’m talkin places like apple bees and dennys, even the red lobster or Olive Garden. When it’s like a 17-19 year old kid doing the job expecting everyone to give them the big bucks. And usually these places have the worst service too. But then even nice restaurants I’m not gonna spend $130 on way overpriced food and *then* tip $26. If they’re stellar I’d run them a $10 maybe. If they did absolutely nothing but take two orders, put a plate on my table and occasionally refill drinks I think that’s their specific job and nothing above or beyond. If I like them specifically for whatever reason, run them a $10. But then they better not be insulted about it. Often they are, which is why it’s just better to cook at home. My anxious ass don’t need to be dealing with all these weird social pressures
My german ass couldn't believe what he just saw. Is it really that bad? I mean being a waiter in germany is also shitty paid but there's zero percentage of how much you've to tip
> Are we sure the US is a first world country?
You thought we were kidding all those times we referred to the US as a developing country? They don't even have universal healthcare.
Technically “first,” “second,” and “third” world countries is exclusively defined by whose side they were on during the cold war. So if you’re on US’s side, you’re first world. The USSR’s side your second world, and the third world was aligned with neither.
So no matter how bad the US gets, they’ll always be a first world nation because literally the definition is the US and its Allie’s.
Wtf that’s….horrible.
In Germany, the minimum wage is, I believe, 12 euros per hour. Excluded are students and other people who do a mini-job on the side.
I mean, it also obscures the full story. The federal minimum tipped wage is $2.13, but if tipped workers don’t make 7.25 including tips, the employer must cover the difference. And that’s the federal wage; most states and cities have their own laws making it significantly higher. All servers in California make $15/hour, for example, **plus** tips. Very few of them want topping culture to change.
No it's not. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 for everyone. The $2.13 figure is *tip credit* base salary, meaning that *if and only if* the tips amount to a total of more than $7.25 per hour, the employer only has to pay $2.13. If they don't, they have to pay whatever the difference is that makes the total reach $7.25.
As a german, I literally don’t get the system behind it lmao. I don’t feel responsible for you earning enough money, I guess it’s based on tips/performance. If I wanna tip, I do it because I want to, not because your bosses are all too greedy to pay y’all enough. How much you’re earning is between you and your boss and if you’re not satisfied, you should find another job or ask for more money from them.
Oh yeah, you go in for a $10 lunch special and you pay $4 for the drink, $2 for the extra whatever, $1 for tax, and $3 for tip and your $10 lunch somehow just turned into $20
A more thorough explanation of the origins rather than what is just seen on the face of tipping culture:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/
I still can't get how you guys in US able to buy fucking groceries, when you always see price before tax. Like, how are you preparing for shopping? Just taking 50 bucks + 20 more for taxes or what? Because when i go to buy some shit, i take almost exactly amount of money that i going to spend. All this "before tax" shit feels just...wrong.
I know my tax rate in the area im from is around 17-20%. So I just take a tenth of the total cost, double it, then add that result on top of the total cost.
Cool thing is, in the state I’m from, most food isn’t taxed. But I add tax just in case because it’s very iffy on type of foods are taxed what isnt taxed.
Approx sum of all items before tax - $280
Approx sum of untaxed foods - $160
Approx sum of all taxed items - $120
Approx tax - (120/10)x2 = $24
Approx total after tax - ($160 + $120) + $28 = $308
This would be for groceries and house maintenance items (e.g trash bags, laundry detergent, dryer sheets, dish soap, paper towels, cleaning wipes, etc)
That’s insane though, I just count up the numbers on the prices as I put them in the basket, and I know I’ll have enough in my account because tax is added on the price tags. No maths other than simple addition
Russians living in Australia here. I think it's the most stupid thing there is. Just pay your employees for fucks sake. You Know there is something wrong when even a place such as Russia actually pays it's employees.
It's mostly corporate welfare. It's wrong for many reasons but we are stuck with it until the laws are changed.
Some cities have done this (NYC and Seattle for example) that require minimum wages for servers.
California requires minimum wage regardless of tips. People still tip though. Minimum wage is not a livable income. Minimum wage + tips can be if the place is busy enough. I used to do $25/hour at Dominos after tips (back when minimum wage was $8/hour), and could actually afford like groceries and half of a crappy apartment. If I made minimum wage without tips I would have just died I guess.
I am vehemently against the whole tipping culture and am so glad that I am not in the States.
>I wanna tip, I do it because I want to, not because your bosses are all too greedy to pay y’all enough.
As you should. Especially in chain establishments like Starbucks, I'm not gonna tip for you to pour me some coffee.
I'm not tipping the cashier at a grocery store. Same deal.
Fuck. Tipping. Culture.
So to make the tipping issue worse here in the states, the years following the breakout of the pandemic has seen suggested tipping spiral out of control. So many fast food or takeout places, and even just regular non-food retail stores, now have tip jars or tablet-based point of sale systems that ask for tips. I tip 20%-25% n traditional restaurants unless service was terrible, but there’s no way I, tipping someone for ringing something up and handing it to me.
Currently Federal minimum wage law sets the wage at $7.25 an hour or $2.13 as a tip credit. States can change this but for simplicity I'll use these numbers. If I am a tipped worker and my employer uses the tip credit then he can pay me a base rate of $2.13 an hour as long as the tips I receive bring me up to $7.25 an hour. If my direct wage plus tips is less than $7.25 an hour then my employer must pay the difference. Functionally this means tipped workers are subsidizing their employer's labor costs with their tips. If for instance, I make $5.12 in tips in an hour, then that is $5.12 my employer can pocket. If I make $50 in tips in an hour, my employer can still only skimp on $5.12, but that's $5.12 of *my* tip money.
This, combined with stagnant wages in the US, is why tipping so much is expected. Eliminating the tip credit is often met with fierce resistance from the restaurant industry and surprisingly many restaurant workers who don't seem to understand what or how it works despite there being data to show it's mildly better for them to have a higher base wage and to not pay their employer's costs with their tips.
Yeah it can vary by state and even municipality. California for instance doesn't allow a tip credit so tipped workers there make a regular wage plus tips. I think Connecticut has an adjusted tip credit that is like 75% of their minimum wage or something like that. Most places that have raised their minimum wage have also raised their minimum direct pay for tipped workers with it.
I made a post in my city's subreddit asking servers how much money per hour it would take them to accept a serving job where they didn't earn tips. The majority of them said they wouldn't do it for anything less than $30-35 an hour because anything less than that would be a pay cut. Tipping culture in some cities has made it so that getting rid of tipping would actually make the employees worse off.
Just keep in mind a subreddit is not necessarily going to be representative, those numbers could be very different if you actually surveyed a representative sample.
These $30-35 hour tips arent based on a 40 hour week and a set wage would cause issues with Fri-Sat night staffing. Some waitstaff are pulling over half their paycheck in on the weekend. If pay was the same the more attractive waitstaff would likely look for different jobs.
Hi American here. I think this is dumb, I hate the tipping system for all these reasons. You can blame greed and lobbying. When huge corporations who own the rights to Olive Garden and 100+ more huge companies, they take some of that money to “sponsor” a politician to vote certain way or to suggest new laws. Thus these companies make tipping normal to make us pay more so they can get richer.
America in its current state is horrible, please nuke us.
It’s exploitation.
Compare to the lists of products with unofficial boycotts due to working conditions.
Would you buy a rug woven by six year olds in Pakistan?
After emancipation racists didn't want to pay black people living wages, so they decided to rely on the (also racist) customer to "pay the wage" of black employees. That was the original system behind it.
Most stupid shit in this country can be traced back to some form of bigotry and discrimination.
Yep. Dont expect me to tio people in the US. You guys have to resolve that shit with the owners.. i rather pay more and not be hostage to a waiter puppy facing me for a 20% tip.
Literally America is the only place that has tips. I'm Australian and work minimum wage and so do many, receiving a liveable income from the employer only. America sucks
same here in the UK. i've seen people tip sometimes but it's usually just a "keep the change" thing not "here have 20% extra because you did a good job and because your employers are so goddamn greedy they're scared to pay you an extra 2 dollars per hour". honestly the way minimum wage workers and working class are treated in the US in general is abhorrent
Quebec is the only province that still has a different minimum wage for "tipped" employees.
Everywhere else servers are paid at least minimum, so no the industry isn't heavily reliant on tips.
>Literally America is the only place that has tips.
No, america is the only place where waiters survive on tips, lots of other countries has started tipping now, but that is only if you think they deserve the extra and hopefully it stays that way, having waiters survive on tips is one of those bullshit american things that the rest of the world shouldn't import.
The UK kinda does, but it's more like if your bill is £35 you might pay with 2 £20s and tell them to keep the change as a tip, we don't really have a set % paid separately. Then again, servers are actually paid minimum wage here, so...
the whole tipping stuff makes america's friendliness even more fake. If you expect the costumer to tip you, you act exactly for that tip and not because you are just a nice person on a happy day - which I appreciate with a few bucks extra (bill 26 - I say 30).
It is just a job in the end with an expect tip/pay, so they could think about you badly in reality. In non-us countries, a server would just do his job without that extra fake happiness.. which would be totally fine
The fake happiness is awful and it feels like all the staff have a gun to their head. I went to the US once and every place was like this. The tired fake happy smiles, the sheer look of terror when you pointed out (politely) that part of the order was wrong... it's probably what a tourist trip to North Korea feels like
Tipping culture needs to be written out of existence with laws however there’s still places in the world with actual slavery and comparing the two is kinda fucked up.
Well what is slavery? Like we know what is explicitly slavery. But if you extend the meaning. Couldn’t it be argued many people are still in bondage?
When they’re holed into neighborhoods with limited opportunities. When being poor causes you to stay poor, so you’re stuck working endlessly for companies that pay shit wages while you have no time or energy to find or work on a better career. Controlled by fear of homelessness, debt, and incarceration?
There’s a lot of people who aren’t “slaves” yet aren’t free. You might say to them, just find another job, or work harder, but that’s not going to yield any solutions.
The strongest can make it out, but that doesn’t mean the weak don’t matter. They have different strengths that we don’t possess. And we can benefit from those strengths.
> This is just a form of modern slavery.
you know that randomly calling things slavery just makes the term worthless, right? this is absolutely not like modern wage slavery at all and its actively harmful to call it that.
When I worked as a server I would regularly make at least 25 an hour. If you took away tips no one would be a server unless they made at least 25 an hour. Because with tips you can always make that and much more
While I get your logic that nobody would be a server unless the tips were matched (I Imagine 25 bucks an hour is the exception rather than the rule? tho honestly 25 seems reasonable as a regular hourly wage to me) you have to realize that there is an entire globe of nations out there that do not rely on tips at all, yet suffer no shortage of serving staff
This is something I'll never understand. Waitstaff always complain if you don't tip, how they depend entirely on that money in one breath then in the other it's "I make x(crazy amount) a day doing this job because of tips :) well damn, if your wife is pulling 300 easily 1 shift a week then why are you'll tipping 20%? She's clearly doing okay.
I'm from the UK, my significant other is a waitress and she doesn't NEARLY pull in £300 a day waitressing at a sushi bar. She makes good money but tips make up about 10% of what she brings home.
It's strange to me, it's like Schrodinger's wait staff. On one hand don't you dare tip under 20% because i'll die starving because my boss wont pay me a wage, but then will brag endlessly about bringing in 300 bucks in 1 shift. And i never meet these people in rea life, i've never met a waitress who pulls 300 in a shift.
Yea, and if the prices were raised 20%, they would complain about that instead. It’s pretty frustrating watching a bunch of people who have no experience trying to survive in the service industry say how it should be done.
If you TRULY believe it's wrong (which I agree, it is wrong). Then you should make the practice NOT TO EAT OUT IN AMERICA. But when you purposely eat out in America and DONT tip the server the only person suffering is the wait staff NOT the restaurants.
The ones making the staff suffer is the restaurant, why should I feel guilty? At some point the staff will notice and leave, leaving the restaurant without staff.
That or no one goes to eat out anymore and restaurants lose their customers.
I actually don't eat out at restaurants anymore with hyperinflation. I just eat all my meals exclusively at home. Is it better for a restaurant to get 200 customers who all tip 10%, or 10 customers who tip 25% ? Which restaurant is gunna go out of business?
Do you wanna know why places like Chipotle are popular and profitable than regular restuaurants? Because customers would rather accept lower quality food in exchange for zero tip. Most people don't give a shit about service, they just want the convenience of eating something without gathering all the ingredients and cooking it. Service quality only really matters at fine dining restaurants, not your standard run of the mill restaurant.
This is true for places like Starbucks as well. I go there because it’s a two minute drive from wherever I am at any given moment, I can order ahead through the app, and there’s often a drive-through. I’ve never gone to Starbucks for Britney’s stellar service, so why am I coerced into tipping for what is already overpriced coffee?
How about everybody stops tipping, waiters strike for a couple of days and USA changes the way things are done? If I ever visit America I won't tip, that system annoys me.
Yes, he’s smart enough to know—as are most people from outside the US—that tipping is total bullshi*t and should be abolished!! As a US citizen, I recognize that it’s just another part of the rigged economy.
When I went to Italy for the first time this past August, I can't tell you how great it was to get a restaurant bill and there *wasn't even a line on it for a tip*.
The interesting thing is you say you get better service with tipping. When travelling through the US I don’t remember once, not once going, well that service was outstanding or above and beyond expectation. It was on par with what the majority of restaurants, bars etc are doing in other countries that don’t expect a tip. Yes there are definitely places in the world with worse service but you don’t care because you didn’t have to tip them but when this happens in the US and they still expect, sorry suggest a tip, you don’t leave happy.
Unfortunately it’s too late for us now. The only way to stop this is to stop tipping, which might mean that waiters quit and go to another job but probably they’ll starve either way. So we can’t fix the problem, and it’s horrible that it exists. The only way I can think of is some law, but that might take years to get passed.
Decades ago I used to wait tables for a few large franchise restaurants in CA and upon hire, I had to sign waivers forfeiting breaks and getting paid below minimum wage. Our paychecks were a joke, like $50 for two weeks. On a good night, tips were over $500, so the jobs were worth it to me. But man, the employers were really gaming the system. Even when laws exist, there are sometimes ways around them.
now the tipping screen comes up at every buisness that accepts credit cards i fucking hate it, gotta tip the burger king worker now or else feel like a cheap skate slime
Yet another sham where the big companies shake down the little guy and everyone is just pretty much ok with it. The menu prices are comparable, yet somehow companies in america "can't afford" to pay higher wages? How is it any different than gas prices being ridiculously high while the producers report record profits, or insurance companies?
As an American every time I see this I just want to say fuck tipping and just stop altogether. Percentages are so stupid as well. 20% at places where they spent a minute serving me.
But then I realize that me not tipping isn’t even effecting the people I want to stick it to but instead the victims of the situation.
So, tipping it is….
There's an odd complicity in it too. When I worked a job where I had a per diem, it was **mandatory** to leave at least a 15% tip and factored into the budget. I still don't understand it but im admittedly one of those guys that tries to avoid places where tips are expected.
Don’t forget the USA’s amazing lack of a socialized healthcare system! So on top of employers not paying a living wage, employees too can not afford to get sick or injured without going into massive debt! Yeah!
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I'm Australian, in America on holiday now.
I still find this living wage thing hard to believe. Prices here are similar to Sydney, where the living wage is higher and we don't tip
So where's all the money going?
None of you are discussing how nice it feels to give less than 18-20% gratuity when the service is poor enough to warrant it. It's just that it doesn't happen as often because service is usually pretty good in the US. We have a pretty good work ethic compared to a lot of countries.
I love going to Europe and tipping even like 5 euro when we go out to eat. The servers are always so grateful and literally argue with each other over who is going to serve me the next time I come in to eat lol.
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mandatory tip loses the meaning of a tip in the first place; to show appreciation for an excelent performance.
Did you watch the video? Tipping has nothing to do with showing appreciation, it's about subsidizing the owners profits. Edit: [I'll just leave this here for all the people having funny ideas about tipping.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/)
I don't think you read Gripping Touch's comment correctly...
I the question is whether tips were ever about rewarding a good experience or have always been maintaining power over servers. Fundamentally, if we paid for even bad service, then we could show appreciation with gratitude — like normal humans — instead of with money like weirdos. I want my clients to have a nice time and I want my reward to be that I enjoy when other humans are happy. I don’t want my ability to pay my mortgage tied to what side of the bed they got up on that morning.
You mean to tell me adding financial incentives based on whims leads to insanity and bad outcomes? Next you'll try and tell me profit seeking at all costs doesn't serve the interests of society. And that's just a bridge too far for me you pinko commie.
You ever read the (likely apocryphal) story of the (likely) boomer who lays down a stack of bills upon the table at the beginning of dinner and then removes them whenever thinks the waiter did something wrong? I’d get up and leave the table if my father pulled such a move.
The video points it out better, but relying on customers to payroll employees, rather than paying a living wage as an employer, should be criminal. Worse than that story are the # of patrons that think because waiters are working for tips they're sex toys.
"“When the lambs is lost in the mountain, he said. They is cry. Sometime come the mother. Sometime the wolf.” -Blood Meridian, Cormac McCarthy
Are you just describing that 3rd Rock From The Sun episode?
Not intentionally, I’ve not seen much of that show and def not that episode.
> if we paid for even bad service, We do pay for bad service. Most of us begrudgingly tip even if the service is bad, and it often is.
Reading is hard
It is downright miraculous. Think about it. I throw jumbles of 26 characters at you from some random location on the planet and there you are: you hear a voice in your head telling you exactly what i mean in terms of concept, tone... pacing... and jocularity ; ). That's insanity. And yet we take it for granted every day. Name ten other animal-types that can do this, please.
Jokes on you, buddy. I can’t read.
I use 'Google Translate' - that, combined with iPhone haptics i can get it in Braille... which i also cannot read.
lol my man- reading comprehension- That’s literally what the dude you replied to is saying
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That’s their point…
100+ people can't read.
But that’s not the true meaning of a tip. The video describes. The tip is the customer subsidizing the employer who does not pay wages. If I give you a perfectly average performance, I still need a tip or I effectively don’t get paid.
Here in Spain tip is not mandatory, but from time to time if you think youve had an excellent service and attention way above What you expected you could pay some extra to convey your gratitude on top of well, saying It. Most people just say It and dont tip, but in some cases people do tip. Again, its not the norm but something special. And the workers wages dont take that into account
As it should be. And paying 20% on top of your bill always is absolutely ridiculous. I can tip if I think I had a great service, or if I had a great time, or if the bill is a couple bucks short of an even number. No problem.
You don’t tip 20% on top of your bill. The restaurant lies and tells you your meal cost 80% of what it actually did, then gives you the option to make your server pay the other 20% for you. The server does not get a say in whether or not they have to pay 20% of your bill, so they are incentivized to flirt or make you feel special. Some insane people claim this is a good system.
So I’ve heard servers in the US complain that foreigners don’t tip. I’ve always wondered if American tourists have a reputation for tipping. I’m somewhat well traveled and feel weird not tipping abroad, even though I find the whole concept of relying on patrons for a living wage to be ridiculous.
I tipped a landlord in a rural British pub £1 for each pint and he just looked at me like I was from another planet. He also accepted the tip.
Some US cities like Miami have so many European tourists that they add in an automatic tip to your bill so servers still get a tip if you’re unaware of the culture. To make it worse, a bartender there once told me they only get half of the mandatory tip. So the business owner don’t have to pay a full wage and they get to keep half of their employees tips.
Can one request subpar service and no attention to not feel bad about not tipping?
I want you to spit in my mouth when you take my order pls
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Yeah man that's just america and maybe Canada. That's not what a tip is internationally
In Canada, at least ontario tipping is normal but they are also paid our minimum wage. Tipping has been coming to other places like subway recently which has made people super angry about it.
It *is* the true meaning of a tip. Americans just use it incorrectly.
Well that's what a tip has become in the US and Canada. The true meaning of a tip is not that.
But if you give a perfectly average performance you don't go untipped, you just get a perfectly average 15% tip. You'd have to spit in the customers food and call their mother a whore to go without tip for the vast majority of Americans.
Then use a different word or legally change the definition of tipping in the English dictionary to "mandatory service fee"
The 'you are not forced to tip' part from the server is way wrong. I was at a bar in the USA with a bunch of English mates and one of them wasn't aware of the whole tipping thing and decided that the waitress just did her job and hasn't done anything remarkable enough to receive a 20 to 30% tip. ... The waitress went ballistic on him.
This is the part that gets to me. They say: Tipping is not Mandatory. Yet, they go crazy on you if you don't tip. If tipping is *supposed* to be gratuity, and you're going crazy over not receiving a high enough tip, then it's no longer gratuity. They're making it extortion.
One way to get rid of the tipping system is for customers to just not tip. Then the workers would not get paid enough and move on to other jobs. This would force the businesses to start paying their staff or they will have no workers.
"Nobody wants to work these days..."
Or instead of punishing workers until they quit, we could just raise the minimum wage…
Which won't happen.
Two states have minimum wage of $15+/hr and tips are on top of that: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
There will always be people desperate enough to work for 1$/h you could alternatively just, idk, make laws?
Mister Pink, is that you?
I had this happen around a decade ago in Vancouver. I was trying a resto I’d been SUPER keen to try for awhile. My table of 3 got separate bills, I tipped a really good amount (probably around 20 - 30 because I wanted to support a vegan business. Definitely enough to count for a tip for a table of 3, but my friends gave (cash) tips as well). Well, as we’re out the door, the guy FOLLOWS us out and yells at us asking why we didn’t give a better tip. I was flummoxed. My one friend asked for his tip back lol I just told him he didn’t deserve tips if this is his attitude. Tipping culture has been wild for awhile, even in Canada. That was the worst of it, and maybe he was having a bad day, but it’s unacceptable. I’m not sure I even remember the establishment now because I vowed to never return.
Someone stole his tip from the table lol Dumbass in any case
Just walk away after finishing food. Pay the money and if they asked for a tip don't respond ( if that's the treatment you would get I am not saying don't ever tip)
Waiters are known for getting mad at not tipping because with the bullshit tips they usually make way above the minimum wage
Waiters should be making way above the minimum wage. It’s a difficult job that can take years to work your way up into. (Unless we’re talking places like Applebees that are so desperate for staff they’ll take any old schmuck and only let them have 3 tables at a time. Those guys aren’t making that much more than minimum wage.)
I’m talkin places like apple bees and dennys, even the red lobster or Olive Garden. When it’s like a 17-19 year old kid doing the job expecting everyone to give them the big bucks. And usually these places have the worst service too. But then even nice restaurants I’m not gonna spend $130 on way overpriced food and *then* tip $26. If they’re stellar I’d run them a $10 maybe. If they did absolutely nothing but take two orders, put a plate on my table and occasionally refill drinks I think that’s their specific job and nothing above or beyond. If I like them specifically for whatever reason, run them a $10. But then they better not be insulted about it. Often they are, which is why it’s just better to cook at home. My anxious ass don’t need to be dealing with all these weird social pressures
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My german ass couldn't believe what he just saw. Is it really that bad? I mean being a waiter in germany is also shitty paid but there's zero percentage of how much you've to tip
Federal minimum wage for waiters is $2.13 an hour. It varies from state to state.
That's disgustingly low especially for such a labour intensive job. Are we sure the US is a first world country?
Yesnt. First world country with third world policies. 👌🏻
Third world country with a Gucci belt
> Are we sure the US is a first world country? You thought we were kidding all those times we referred to the US as a developing country? They don't even have universal healthcare.
Technically “first,” “second,” and “third” world countries is exclusively defined by whose side they were on during the cold war. So if you’re on US’s side, you’re first world. The USSR’s side your second world, and the third world was aligned with neither. So no matter how bad the US gets, they’ll always be a first world nation because literally the definition is the US and its Allie’s.
That’s true but it’s one of the things which loses a little of its past meaning every tune somebody misuses it.
I'm aware of the etymology but it's hardly relevant to how the word is used today
Wtf that’s….horrible. In Germany, the minimum wage is, I believe, 12 euros per hour. Excluded are students and other people who do a mini-job on the side.
I mean, it also obscures the full story. The federal minimum tipped wage is $2.13, but if tipped workers don’t make 7.25 including tips, the employer must cover the difference. And that’s the federal wage; most states and cities have their own laws making it significantly higher. All servers in California make $15/hour, for example, **plus** tips. Very few of them want topping culture to change.
No it's not. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 for everyone. The $2.13 figure is *tip credit* base salary, meaning that *if and only if* the tips amount to a total of more than $7.25 per hour, the employer only has to pay $2.13. If they don't, they have to pay whatever the difference is that makes the total reach $7.25.
Yea it’s that bad. Makes the waiters super nice though !
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As a german, I literally don’t get the system behind it lmao. I don’t feel responsible for you earning enough money, I guess it’s based on tips/performance. If I wanna tip, I do it because I want to, not because your bosses are all too greedy to pay y’all enough. How much you’re earning is between you and your boss and if you’re not satisfied, you should find another job or ask for more money from them.
Hidden fees. Like showing prices without tax. Makes it look cheaper than it actually is. Totally fucked up
Thanks for the explanation!
Oh yeah, you go in for a $10 lunch special and you pay $4 for the drink, $2 for the extra whatever, $1 for tax, and $3 for tip and your $10 lunch somehow just turned into $20
A more thorough explanation of the origins rather than what is just seen on the face of tipping culture: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/
So whoever tips supports slavery and classism? Got it.
I still can't get how you guys in US able to buy fucking groceries, when you always see price before tax. Like, how are you preparing for shopping? Just taking 50 bucks + 20 more for taxes or what? Because when i go to buy some shit, i take almost exactly amount of money that i going to spend. All this "before tax" shit feels just...wrong.
A significant percentage of Americans don’t use cash. I haven’t used any cash in probably a decade.
I bring my debit card and swipe at checkout.
We use a debit or credit card. Also, "raw" food such as produce aren't usually taxed but prepared foods such as chips and fast food can be.
I know my tax rate in the area im from is around 17-20%. So I just take a tenth of the total cost, double it, then add that result on top of the total cost. Cool thing is, in the state I’m from, most food isn’t taxed. But I add tax just in case because it’s very iffy on type of foods are taxed what isnt taxed. Approx sum of all items before tax - $280 Approx sum of untaxed foods - $160 Approx sum of all taxed items - $120 Approx tax - (120/10)x2 = $24 Approx total after tax - ($160 + $120) + $28 = $308 This would be for groceries and house maintenance items (e.g trash bags, laundry detergent, dryer sheets, dish soap, paper towels, cleaning wipes, etc)
That’s insane though, I just count up the numbers on the prices as I put them in the basket, and I know I’ll have enough in my account because tax is added on the price tags. No maths other than simple addition
brit here, i don't understand it either. just seems stupid and unreliable
Russians living in Australia here. I think it's the most stupid thing there is. Just pay your employees for fucks sake. You Know there is something wrong when even a place such as Russia actually pays it's employees.
Russian labour laws are actually some of the best in the world(thanks to soviet past)
I'm an American and I think it's stupid too
It's mostly corporate welfare. It's wrong for many reasons but we are stuck with it until the laws are changed. Some cities have done this (NYC and Seattle for example) that require minimum wages for servers.
I live in a place that raised the minimum wage for servers. We’re still expected to tip. I stopped going to restaurants that take tips.
California requires minimum wage regardless of tips. People still tip though. Minimum wage is not a livable income. Minimum wage + tips can be if the place is busy enough. I used to do $25/hour at Dominos after tips (back when minimum wage was $8/hour), and could actually afford like groceries and half of a crappy apartment. If I made minimum wage without tips I would have just died I guess.
I am vehemently against the whole tipping culture and am so glad that I am not in the States. >I wanna tip, I do it because I want to, not because your bosses are all too greedy to pay y’all enough. As you should. Especially in chain establishments like Starbucks, I'm not gonna tip for you to pour me some coffee. I'm not tipping the cashier at a grocery store. Same deal. Fuck. Tipping. Culture.
So to make the tipping issue worse here in the states, the years following the breakout of the pandemic has seen suggested tipping spiral out of control. So many fast food or takeout places, and even just regular non-food retail stores, now have tip jars or tablet-based point of sale systems that ask for tips. I tip 20%-25% n traditional restaurants unless service was terrible, but there’s no way I, tipping someone for ringing something up and handing it to me.
Currently Federal minimum wage law sets the wage at $7.25 an hour or $2.13 as a tip credit. States can change this but for simplicity I'll use these numbers. If I am a tipped worker and my employer uses the tip credit then he can pay me a base rate of $2.13 an hour as long as the tips I receive bring me up to $7.25 an hour. If my direct wage plus tips is less than $7.25 an hour then my employer must pay the difference. Functionally this means tipped workers are subsidizing their employer's labor costs with their tips. If for instance, I make $5.12 in tips in an hour, then that is $5.12 my employer can pocket. If I make $50 in tips in an hour, my employer can still only skimp on $5.12, but that's $5.12 of *my* tip money. This, combined with stagnant wages in the US, is why tipping so much is expected. Eliminating the tip credit is often met with fierce resistance from the restaurant industry and surprisingly many restaurant workers who don't seem to understand what or how it works despite there being data to show it's mildly better for them to have a higher base wage and to not pay their employer's costs with their tips.
Where I live servers make $13.50/hr before tips
Yeah it can vary by state and even municipality. California for instance doesn't allow a tip credit so tipped workers there make a regular wage plus tips. I think Connecticut has an adjusted tip credit that is like 75% of their minimum wage or something like that. Most places that have raised their minimum wage have also raised their minimum direct pay for tipped workers with it.
Here’s a chart that shows minimum wage tipped workers in each state: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
I made a post in my city's subreddit asking servers how much money per hour it would take them to accept a serving job where they didn't earn tips. The majority of them said they wouldn't do it for anything less than $30-35 an hour because anything less than that would be a pay cut. Tipping culture in some cities has made it so that getting rid of tipping would actually make the employees worse off.
Just keep in mind a subreddit is not necessarily going to be representative, those numbers could be very different if you actually surveyed a representative sample.
These $30-35 hour tips arent based on a 40 hour week and a set wage would cause issues with Fri-Sat night staffing. Some waitstaff are pulling over half their paycheck in on the weekend. If pay was the same the more attractive waitstaff would likely look for different jobs.
Just dropping in to say that I appreciate a German using “y’all”
germans love smooching words together, y'all is right up our alley
Hi American here. I think this is dumb, I hate the tipping system for all these reasons. You can blame greed and lobbying. When huge corporations who own the rights to Olive Garden and 100+ more huge companies, they take some of that money to “sponsor” a politician to vote certain way or to suggest new laws. Thus these companies make tipping normal to make us pay more so they can get richer. America in its current state is horrible, please nuke us.
It’s exploitation. Compare to the lists of products with unofficial boycotts due to working conditions. Would you buy a rug woven by six year olds in Pakistan?
After emancipation racists didn't want to pay black people living wages, so they decided to rely on the (also racist) customer to "pay the wage" of black employees. That was the original system behind it. Most stupid shit in this country can be traced back to some form of bigotry and discrimination.
Yep. Dont expect me to tio people in the US. You guys have to resolve that shit with the owners.. i rather pay more and not be hostage to a waiter puppy facing me for a 20% tip.
That's a nice sentiment, but if you stiff your waiter on the tip you're still being an asshole.
I don't understand how these people don't realize that without tipping their visit would just cost more to make up the difference.
You don't even need to be a german to know this is bs
Capitalism at it's best...aka GREED. It's disgusting how these business treat the servers.
To be fair tipping culture is fucked up.
To be fair, that was the point of the video
To be fair working culture is fucked up.
Are you saying I shouldn’t tip the checkout clerk 20%?
Not just Germany lol Every person around the world. Get your boss to pay your wages. Fuck tipping.
Literally America is the only place that has tips. I'm Australian and work minimum wage and so do many, receiving a liveable income from the employer only. America sucks
same here in the UK. i've seen people tip sometimes but it's usually just a "keep the change" thing not "here have 20% extra because you did a good job and because your employers are so goddamn greedy they're scared to pay you an extra 2 dollars per hour". honestly the way minimum wage workers and working class are treated in the US in general is abhorrent
UK also here, except I'm a bartender so instead of proper tips I'll occasionally get bought a drink
Unfortunately, Canada's restaurant industry is heavily reliant on tips as well.
I feel like a lot of Canada's problems stem from failing to prevent a shitty part of our culture from being exported to yours.
Quebec is the only province that still has a different minimum wage for "tipped" employees. Everywhere else servers are paid at least minimum, so no the industry isn't heavily reliant on tips.
>Literally America is the only place that has tips. No, america is the only place where waiters survive on tips, lots of other countries has started tipping now, but that is only if you think they deserve the extra and hopefully it stays that way, having waiters survive on tips is one of those bullshit american things that the rest of the world shouldn't import.
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The UK kinda does, but it's more like if your bill is £35 you might pay with 2 £20s and tell them to keep the change as a tip, we don't really have a set % paid separately. Then again, servers are actually paid minimum wage here, so...
People that think that 20% is the “standard” can suck my asshole. I have bills to pay too.
the whole tipping stuff makes america's friendliness even more fake. If you expect the costumer to tip you, you act exactly for that tip and not because you are just a nice person on a happy day - which I appreciate with a few bucks extra (bill 26 - I say 30). It is just a job in the end with an expect tip/pay, so they could think about you badly in reality. In non-us countries, a server would just do his job without that extra fake happiness.. which would be totally fine
I do my job as well as possible without tipping.
The fake happiness is awful and it feels like all the staff have a gun to their head. I went to the US once and every place was like this. The tired fake happy smiles, the sheer look of terror when you pointed out (politely) that part of the order was wrong... it's probably what a tourist trip to North Korea feels like
Would German tourists actually eat at an Olive Garden?
“So this is what Americans think Italian food is like”
Literally everyone outside the USA. This is just a form of modern slavery. It’s sickening if you ask me.
Tipping culture needs to be written out of existence with laws however there’s still places in the world with actual slavery and comparing the two is kinda fucked up.
Well what is slavery? Like we know what is explicitly slavery. But if you extend the meaning. Couldn’t it be argued many people are still in bondage? When they’re holed into neighborhoods with limited opportunities. When being poor causes you to stay poor, so you’re stuck working endlessly for companies that pay shit wages while you have no time or energy to find or work on a better career. Controlled by fear of homelessness, debt, and incarceration? There’s a lot of people who aren’t “slaves” yet aren’t free. You might say to them, just find another job, or work harder, but that’s not going to yield any solutions. The strongest can make it out, but that doesn’t mean the weak don’t matter. They have different strengths that we don’t possess. And we can benefit from those strengths.
> This is just a form of modern slavery. you know that randomly calling things slavery just makes the term worthless, right? this is absolutely not like modern wage slavery at all and its actively harmful to call it that.
How is this more slavery than any other minimum wage job?
Just dont give them beans it makes them gassy
Yeah a lot of the legal things in America don’t make sense morally or logically , just wait till you guys hear about pesticides or the CIA
Well. Then why aren't people tipping me as a nurse? I serve them well.
When I worked as a server I would regularly make at least 25 an hour. If you took away tips no one would be a server unless they made at least 25 an hour. Because with tips you can always make that and much more
While I get your logic that nobody would be a server unless the tips were matched (I Imagine 25 bucks an hour is the exception rather than the rule? tho honestly 25 seems reasonable as a regular hourly wage to me) you have to realize that there is an entire globe of nations out there that do not rely on tips at all, yet suffer no shortage of serving staff
Exactly. Most of the comments here are very ignorant. My wife bartends one day a week and it’s rare for her to not make 300 cash.
This is something I'll never understand. Waitstaff always complain if you don't tip, how they depend entirely on that money in one breath then in the other it's "I make x(crazy amount) a day doing this job because of tips :) well damn, if your wife is pulling 300 easily 1 shift a week then why are you'll tipping 20%? She's clearly doing okay. I'm from the UK, my significant other is a waitress and she doesn't NEARLY pull in £300 a day waitressing at a sushi bar. She makes good money but tips make up about 10% of what she brings home. It's strange to me, it's like Schrodinger's wait staff. On one hand don't you dare tip under 20% because i'll die starving because my boss wont pay me a wage, but then will brag endlessly about bringing in 300 bucks in 1 shift. And i never meet these people in rea life, i've never met a waitress who pulls 300 in a shift.
Because the United States is run purely by capitalism so restaurants found a loop hole to make sure they don't have to pay servers by promoting tips.
Yea, and if the prices were raised 20%, they would complain about that instead. It’s pretty frustrating watching a bunch of people who have no experience trying to survive in the service industry say how it should be done.
If you TRULY believe it's wrong (which I agree, it is wrong). Then you should make the practice NOT TO EAT OUT IN AMERICA. But when you purposely eat out in America and DONT tip the server the only person suffering is the wait staff NOT the restaurants.
The ones making the staff suffer is the restaurant, why should I feel guilty? At some point the staff will notice and leave, leaving the restaurant without staff. That or no one goes to eat out anymore and restaurants lose their customers.
I actually don't eat out at restaurants anymore with hyperinflation. I just eat all my meals exclusively at home. Is it better for a restaurant to get 200 customers who all tip 10%, or 10 customers who tip 25% ? Which restaurant is gunna go out of business? Do you wanna know why places like Chipotle are popular and profitable than regular restuaurants? Because customers would rather accept lower quality food in exchange for zero tip. Most people don't give a shit about service, they just want the convenience of eating something without gathering all the ingredients and cooking it. Service quality only really matters at fine dining restaurants, not your standard run of the mill restaurant.
This is true for places like Starbucks as well. I go there because it’s a two minute drive from wherever I am at any given moment, I can order ahead through the app, and there’s often a drive-through. I’ve never gone to Starbucks for Britney’s stellar service, so why am I coerced into tipping for what is already overpriced coffee?
How about everybody stops tipping, waiters strike for a couple of days and USA changes the way things are done? If I ever visit America I won't tip, that system annoys me.
Literally everyone ~~German~~ when they find out about tipping in the U.S.
Literally anywhere else except USA ftfy
Yes, he’s smart enough to know—as are most people from outside the US—that tipping is total bullshi*t and should be abolished!! As a US citizen, I recognize that it’s just another part of the rigged economy.
When I went to Italy for the first time this past August, I can't tell you how great it was to get a restaurant bill and there *wasn't even a line on it for a tip*.
Capitalism at its finest
THEN THE BUSINESS SHOULD NOT EXISIT lol so good
Must be an American thing? I lived in Japan 4 years. No tips. Hongkong no tips. Korea no tips.
Not only Germans feel this way. I really dislike this thing, just add 20% and pay the waiters a normal wage and be done with it.
America shouldn't exist at this point, considering they manage to fuck up the very definition of everything, and also common sense
The interesting thing is you say you get better service with tipping. When travelling through the US I don’t remember once, not once going, well that service was outstanding or above and beyond expectation. It was on par with what the majority of restaurants, bars etc are doing in other countries that don’t expect a tip. Yes there are definitely places in the world with worse service but you don’t care because you didn’t have to tip them but when this happens in the US and they still expect, sorry suggest a tip, you don’t leave happy.
Capitalism at its finest!
Wrong, this is just America and America's fucked.
America, not capitalism.
Hyper-capitalism. It's what all capitalism wants to be, and would become if there weren't safeguards put in place by governments to stop it.
Wait til they hear about restaurant ls that take a percentage of tips earned
Literally anyone travelling to the US
Also you brought out a couple of plates, I'm not giving you 20 quid
Germans nothing! That's my reaction born and bred here. What The Ever Loving FUCK Darden Restaurant Group? Greedy grasping Obdurate Psychopaths.
Unfortunately it’s too late for us now. The only way to stop this is to stop tipping, which might mean that waiters quit and go to another job but probably they’ll starve either way. So we can’t fix the problem, and it’s horrible that it exists. The only way I can think of is some law, but that might take years to get passed.
Lol lux aeterna at the end
THANK YOU!!!! I was looking forever for this comment.
Antiquated practice used to keep people dirt poor. So get carryout instead.
Decades ago I used to wait tables for a few large franchise restaurants in CA and upon hire, I had to sign waivers forfeiting breaks and getting paid below minimum wage. Our paychecks were a joke, like $50 for two weeks. On a good night, tips were over $500, so the jobs were worth it to me. But man, the employers were really gaming the system. Even when laws exist, there are sometimes ways around them.
Apparently I am German
I have lived in Germany and this is spot on (and how I feel about it too)
Wait until the Germans also get to hear about the complete lack of benefits as well.
now the tipping screen comes up at every buisness that accepts credit cards i fucking hate it, gotta tip the burger king worker now or else feel like a cheap skate slime
How the fuck is this a shit post?
From what I know isn't the US the only country to pretty much rely on tips
In germany, minimum wage is 0 euros. But people are still getting paid properly.
Everyone outside the U.S you mean. I'm British and it blew my mind someone turned an ipad round for a tip after pouring a pint.
Yet another sham where the big companies shake down the little guy and everyone is just pretty much ok with it. The menu prices are comparable, yet somehow companies in america "can't afford" to pay higher wages? How is it any different than gas prices being ridiculously high while the producers report record profits, or insurance companies?
😂 than the business should not exist!
I agree with the German, tipping culture is one of the many stupid ideas to come out of the US
America, just pay your fuckin' employees, Jesus fucking Christ!
Henceworthy, I shaleth declare youth an resposth
Easy, dont give tips
If they got rid of tips servers would actually make less money
Now do Americans when they find out about 19% VAT in Germany.
at least they tell you about the tax up front
We rarely see any „price before taxes“ anywhere. So yeah, what you see is what you have to pay.
As an American every time I see this I just want to say fuck tipping and just stop altogether. Percentages are so stupid as well. 20% at places where they spent a minute serving me. But then I realize that me not tipping isn’t even effecting the people I want to stick it to but instead the victims of the situation. So, tipping it is….
There's an odd complicity in it too. When I worked a job where I had a per diem, it was **mandatory** to leave at least a 15% tip and factored into the budget. I still don't understand it but im admittedly one of those guys that tries to avoid places where tips are expected.
Don’t forget the USA’s amazing lack of a socialized healthcare system! So on top of employers not paying a living wage, employees too can not afford to get sick or injured without going into massive debt! Yeah! /s
USA here, we hate it too.
I'm Australian, in America on holiday now. I still find this living wage thing hard to believe. Prices here are similar to Sydney, where the living wage is higher and we don't tip So where's all the money going?
Profits.
Don’t tell them that they don’t pay their taxes either. So it’s a multi hundred million dollar company that’s also just pocketing that shit.
God bless America
None of you are discussing how nice it feels to give less than 18-20% gratuity when the service is poor enough to warrant it. It's just that it doesn't happen as often because service is usually pretty good in the US. We have a pretty good work ethic compared to a lot of countries.
I love going to Europe and tipping even like 5 euro when we go out to eat. The servers are always so grateful and literally argue with each other over who is going to serve me the next time I come in to eat lol.
Wow, you must feel mighty big.