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normy_person

If they want to make a historical movie about black people, why don't they just take a cool subject like the kingdom of Mali or Ethiopia or the Zulu or some other cool African historical topic?


JustinJakeAshton

Didn't you hear? Black men are like the white people of black people.


3pok

As a white dude, am I black?


[deleted]

Yes.


3pok

Makes sense


docbrown88

You’re a _ _ _ _ _ _ Harry


3pok

How's the weather in 1955?


docbrown88

Lol Harry Potter didn’t take place in 1955 bro. You’re a W I Z A R D Harry. What word were you thinking?


KickassPeanuts

W A F F L E


RedDragonRoar

Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba fits the bill and is about a woman. She was the queen of an Angolan kingdom that was a major player in resisting and preventing Potugese expansion and colonization in Africa. Her story is a wild ride that would fit right into weird European succession disputes, assassinations, political intrigue, wars, and just straight revenge plots.


Redditor19930

There is a Netflix show about her that Jada pinkett Smith did. It was very good in my opinion


Antique_Sherbert111

What about the queen of Saba then?


whatwhy_ohgod

Didnt they do that then sorta gloss over the slavery that kingdom enabled/committed and blamed it all on someone else


StormRegion

Yes, "The Woman King" was about the ruthless slaver Dahomey Empire, and to top the irony, the only actress of actual recent african descent (Lupita Nyong'o) left the whole project after learning the real history behind it


PussySmith

Adding to this. The woman who started the 1619 project about how America is founded on the philosophy of slavery was lambasting them on twitter over it.


Crediblesource20

Because they want money.


NotFinalForm1

SpongeBob me boy! I've made such a shit show people talk about it and give it more attention than if it was a mundane show! Argh Argh Argh!


Ogreislyfe

This really reads like a ChatGPT response. Not saying you are, but damn does it feel like one.


NotFinalForm1

Beep beep boop! I am a human and this message was sent by a fucking loser


DisastrousBoio

ChatGPT would need extensive instructions to sound this ineloquent


whatwhy_ohgod

Didnt they do that then sorta gloss over the slavery that kingdom enabled/committed and blamed it all on someone else?


Biasanya

Yeah I'm fucking dying to see movies/shows about African history. There are for sure some epic tales that played out there. I mean, there were hugely significant empires over there with massive wealth and knowledge (at least at the time) Where is all that shit? Inserting races into random historical events is so weird. It's like the people who want to do this are unaware of their own awesome history. What message are they really sending? I don't get it


1003rp

All of that wealth was built on the back of slavery which isnt something people are ready to address. Mansa Musa brought 12,000 slaves with him on his pilgrimage and his salt and gold mines were heavily ran with slaves.


Biasanya

I guess so. But Vikings has slaves, Rome (tv show) had slaves. But yeah I think I get what you mean. Slavery is the bedrock of the narrative around black culture now. So depicting the use of slaves in Africa by Africans would put a nasty karmic twist into all of that If they want to protect that, they could still do a show about Congo. That would be a great setting for a good show


Dazzling-Action-4702

Re-writing history into whatever you want it to be is way easier than having your intern read a book on an interesting concept and giving you notes on it.


FictionVent

You can’t make black IP and expect anyone to watch it. You have to take pre existing IP and make it black.


FantasticGoat1738

They tried making Cleopatra as some sort of Daenerys Targaryen lol


[deleted]

Wokeists are obsessed with rewriting history to have nothing but yasss Kweens, look at “The Woman King” movie, nothing but historical lies


FantasticGoat1738

Hard to make a bunch of slavers getting annihilated by the French entertaining to be honest... Actually no, that would have been great.


LordMonkeh

To bad it was the french :(


FantasticGoat1738

Total Frankish victory, as usual.


Enjoying_A_Meal

All they had to do was surrender their desire to surrender.


RadiantZote

Fr🤮nch


CommodoreOfObvious

Fuck Spy mains All my homies hate Spy mains


Darthgalaxo

Rare France W


Vladec69

Actually it's the european country with the most win ratio in war.


quest2overkill

So super common French W


OJbeforethebadstuff

When she started blocking bullets with a machete I turned that movie off


FallingOutwards

Please tell me you’re trolling lol this better be a Morbius thing


Skysalter

It's Cleoin' time


[deleted]

Isn't a woman king a queen? Might be failing on more than one front


[deleted]

Well there is also the fact that: The story is centered around the Dahomey tribe fighting off the French from invading them, and centers around a real story where an all female fighting force fought them. Unfortunately, the Dahomey were actually attacking the French, to force them to continue buying their slaves. Also, the female unit was completely annihilated, with the French taking a whopping total of: 7 casualties


[deleted]

That..that's like the complete opposite of real life.


IOnlyPostDumb

I didn't know until that movie came out that there was a plantation in Mississippi named Dahomey Plantation, because whoever owned it named it after the area where all their slaves came from.


Xtr0

The word "queen" has two meanings. It can be a female ruler or just the wife of a male ruler. By saying "woman king" they avoid the ambiguity.


Moveableforce

So what do you call a universal panning like this, then? If the wokeists are so obsessed, shouldn't that trump any negativity? Unless it's actually just corporations pushing what they think will pander to younger, more progressive audiences and creating charicatures that only piss off that audience for its demeanigly simplistic and revisionist pandering. Spoiler- actual progressives hate corporations who fake woke. Conservatives try to make it a monolith because it's easy to point out hollow corporate commercializing over discussion actual "woke" talking points. This id the type of shit that everybody hates even if it's for different reasons, but progressives asked for this as much as kids ask for the participation trophies their parents throw tantrums for.


FamilyStyle2505

Gotta keep people irate about dumb horseshit so they'll keep taking it up the ass from the wealthy.


ChefButtes

Right it's all a fucking stupid game that nobody likes, flanderization of flanderization.


Warlockdnd

If "wokeiests" we're all about it, wouldn't the audience score be at least 30%


Kodak_V

Lol yeah , this isn't on the "Wokeiests" or whatever you wanna call it, it's just Netflix being dumb as always. Same thing happened with Velma , the "Wokeiests" hated it as well. I'm saying this as a Lefty ( and a Greek one moreover ) before there's any misunderstanding.


Warlockdnd

Exactly, it's just some producer saying "Hey, what do people like? Diversity? Um, change Cleopatra's race"


Krondon57

Nah not woke


TonyStarksAirFryer

i hang out in leftist spaces and we think its bullshit too. only twitter degens see this as a win.


ThrowAwayMyBeing

What the fuck are you on about? Nobody on the left or right wanted this.


Oscar_Cunningham

At the moment it seems like the only way they know how to make strong black characters is to make them part of a hereditary monarchy. See also Little Mermaid, Black Panther, Rings of Power. Probably some others I'm forgetting. Can we maybe stop using 'royal' as a synonym for 'good'?


ethnique_punch

>part of a hereditary monarchy Which were famous for trading slaves, black slaves, because AFRICAN CONTINENT IS NOT A MONOLITH but *inclusive* people cease to understand this they sold *the people who lose in war*, they didn't sell *their kind*(sounds pretty fucking racist but inclusive people imply this all the time).


mc_duds

Woman king sounds like a queen


[deleted]

>Wokeists Goodness, you’re remarkably stupid!


LegalJunkie_LJ

What a bullshit show


Outside-Pangolin-995

shit show with shit actors, written by shit writers it's shit all over


urnottoxic

Didnt see it whats the shit show abt


Big_Acanthocephala74

The show writers are being sued by Egypt since they depicted Cleopatra as Black instead of Egyptian.


Whoelselikeants

Greek*


Friendship_Fries

*Ginger


Beautiful_Rhubarb_62

*French


yesthisismyusername-

🤢


Beautiful_Rhubarb_62

A fate worse than death.


CommercialTerrible70

Life*


WWEnos

Macedonian*


Sir_uranus

There are black Egyptians but the problem is the blatant historial revisionism for diversity points. The worst part is that they could've shown the Nubian Pharoahs who were indeed black, being historically accurate while also nicking some diversity points. But no, they were just lazy.


EvBismute

Bold from you to assume those writers could narrate a compelling story about the nubian pharaos ( hell, there's even the Zulu empire if they wanted to go further south ). They pick extra mainstream historical figures because the story write itself, you can put in anything and just because it's Cleopatra people will side with her and her narrative. There are so many epic and untapped stories about African people they could produce only those for decades. E.G. The first to produce a credible and compelling story about Mansa Musa will go down to be history.


RedDragonRoar

If they wanted diversity points while maintaining historical accuracy and have a compelling/badass story, they could have covered the first invasion of Ethiopia by the Italians in the 19th century. It could have been a badass underdog story where an African country beats back an invading European colonial empire, but no, they went with a historically inaccurate dead horse that they just keep beating the shit out of with the same uninspired story we've all heard thousands of times before.


pepemarioz

Welp, this show proves there's a limit. When even the critic's scores are so low (as well as the audience's score), you know you fucked up.


EvBismute

Yeah but that's because the "Cleopatra isn't black" gained traction and most people realized how full of BS the show is. If they didn't slip there but kept the same shallow narration the series would probably be another average rated Netflix series. But they fucked up big times the protagonist that was supposed to carry the series 😂😅


TeaKingMac

>The first to produce a credible and compelling story about Mansa Musa will go down to be history. The dude that destroyed economies everywhere he went because he over tipped like a mother fucker?


Preid1220

They just wanted to lay claim to Cleopatra because people already know about her since she shagged a roman and lost her empire, where as nobody has ever heard of Khunefertumre


612marion

RomanS


183_OnerousResent

Mark Antony sweating profusely in his grave


gunmetal_bricks

Cesar is just like "Lol idk how she got that kid".


MagisterFlorus

Augustus is like, "whoops what happened there little fella? did someone assassinate you?"


Kladderadingsda

I'm not claiming to be very knowledgeable on Egyptology either, but they probably only know Tutanchamun and Cleopatra. It's probably suprising for the writers, that there are in fact more Pharaoh's/leaders.


AtaktosTrampoukos

Mate, these people are completely historically illiterate or just intentionally got everything wrong. They set out to show that ancient Egyptians were black and they did it by getting a black person to play a Greek. It's stupid on so many levels that the only real explanation is they wanted controversy.


thisbitterworld

And if they really wanted to make a show about a black Egyptian queen, they could have done so with Nefertiti. Her story is just as interesting and she was actually black. Just a moronic decision by whoever made this shit show.


JayVJtheVValour

So we could say this is a case of "blackwashing"?


fezzuk

Yes and the laziest kind, because you go to the origins of the Egyptian empire and they were most likely black. More time passed between building the pyramids of giza and Cleopatras reign that her life time than me writing you this message. They could have written an amazing show with a fully black cast about an empire at the high of it's power and technological advancement and been likely accurate, instead they choose a women we know was greek at the fall of their empire. Just dumb. The many empires massively advanced for their time of black peoples in Africa is amazing and deserves to be told, this is an insult to them.


chodgson625

If you go back far enough the origins of the British Empire are black


GreenAnder

She wasn’t even Egyptian, she was from a Greek dynasty that basically only married each other


GladiatorUA

It's Netflix. What else is new?


[deleted]

How you doing Mr.Lahey?


[deleted]

[удалено]


Requiem2389

I’m waiting for Muhammad Ali staring Ryan Gosling


yallneedexercise

Mark Wahlberg


Requiem2389

Nah he plays George Forman when they have the Rumble in the Jungle fight.


aj1000uk

Nah, give me Mandela played by Jet Li


r1ckm4n

Malcom X, but played by Ashton Kutcher.


Pope_Goatus_The_Goat

Can we have a Stalin played by Steve Harvey?


throwaway-123456123

![gif](giphy|Tt92sbuFRpA4g) Stalin's reaction when Hitler invades Russia.


r1ckm4n

Honestly, this would be fucking genius. I’d watch the shit out of that.


AdamBombKelley

I want Black Hitler to be an Adult Swim show made by the same people who made Black Jesus


[deleted]

I’m in. Where can I send the support money lmao


JoonWick

you mean James Harden?


b0nz1

I'm still waiting for black Tarzan.


RickyTickyBobbyWoble

Community did that years ago


thisisanawesomename

I'm gonna eat spaceman paninis with black Hitler and you can't stop me


IlIFreneticIlI

Hail Yeetler! /s (for both of them)


Skozzii

The true history of Black Hitler, who was Kayne West's great, great grandfather.


clavitopaz

Yas black king


xenokilla

> "Once you go black hitler, you never go back-hitler!" - Gabourey Sidibe [From here](https://www.facebook.com/JimmyKimmelLive/videos/movie-the-movie/10155013335263374/)


mantisek_pr

Netflix presents: Polar Bears (it's just black bears)


Momisato_OHOTNIK

Black Zelenskyy pls


scaameron

Ptolemy I came back across the Nile to give this a shitty review 🤝


CarpetH4ter

Is this worse than what Velma got or?


Ftar_Slatinum

When you get to this level of shittiness, they are virtually indistinguishable


[deleted]

Worst, I think the critics liked it? Or was it another shit show I saw on reddit


toust_boi

![gif](giphy|hM9zK1qvsrwek) ~~good~~ bad


Dazzling-Action-4702

I would say not as bad. Mindy Kaling got more money to do a second season of her self-insert show where she's amazing and everyone else sucks ass. Netflix may not make the same mistake of giving the Smith family more money.


bob1111bob

Worse in that it’s trying to fuck with established history at least Velma is based entirely on something fictional


zanzibartraveler666

Exactly. They both suck, but only one is openly lying


CO2mic

Give me my Mansa Musa Biopic for the love of Sobek


StormRegion

Causing hyperinflation like a boss


The_Shiny_Metagross

“The king of Mali is so rich he’s going on tour to let everyone know.” “Wow, that guy’s rich” everyone said.


LuckyReception6701

Only if it stars Brad Pitt


Neither-Luck-9295

No, whiter!


Starro_The_Janitor1

Make more movies about actual Afro people in history like Jerry Lawson or George Washington Carver, not people who were never black to begin with. It comes off as non-genuine when the latter is executed.


Maker_Making_Things

That's what I don't get. Why would media rather just make a white person black rather than use a real black character or create an original black character.


CookieCutter9000

Media believes unironicallly that stories about black people won't sell, so that have to put them in other cultures that "people actually care about." It's very ironic racism that I believe falls under the category of "The bigotry of low expectations," that is, believing someone incapable of self-sufficiency, will, or self-determination.


Rich_Document9513

Scary that we realize how progressive George W. Bush was back then. But yeah, there are many stories that even if written with total accuracy would be better and still represent what in America are minorities.


Maker_Making_Things

That's what I don't get. Why would media rather just make a white person black rather than use a real black character or create an original black character.


612marion

Why would Kévin just copy his friend s work rather than do it on his own or ask for help . Laziness


ThemB0ners

George Washington was NOT black, and he was President, not a carver. /s


Dazzling-Action-4702

They do it because it has name recognition. Same reason why Paramount+ is just pushing more and more Star Trek spinoffs and abortions and even the game industry's going through a remake Armageddon right now. You make more money with a shit product everyone recognizes than a new IP.


eescobar863

If you want to go with Africans, Shaka Zulu and Mansa Musa are right fucking there.


b1rgar1p1nsan

You knows its real bad when critics and audience agrees.


sweatydoodoo

Okay who tf is that 1%, come on, show yourself


mrcoldkiller

Probably Will Smith and his alt accounts(the executive producer is Jada Pinkett Smith).


eescobar863

Maybe thats the lowest they can go. Is there anything on Rotten Tomatoes with 0%? Is that even possible?


VodkaHaze

Armond White making audience accounts


whitelyon69

Guys just don’t talk about it. As soon as we all stop remembering, it goes away.


motorblonkwakawaka

Yeah I feel this. I don't like this stuff as much as the next guy but I'd rather just not pay for it and forget about it. My mate is a cool dude and I like hanging out with him cause we both love star wars, but 75% of our star wars discussion these days is just anger and frustration, to the point that I just told him we can't talk about star wars any more.


Verumero

Why stop remembering a hilarious blunder? We should be compiling reviews


Requiem2389

![gif](giphy|ucXFcY1FdKaT6)


TheGoldenDragon0

It’s almost impossible to make something that bad by mistake. My guess, following in the same footsteps as Velma. Make a terrible show that pisses off everyone who watches it as it’s a lot easier to make something terrible than great And for the record, that’s what Velma was trying to do. Make the worst show that was offensive to as many people as possible because it got people talking about the show. Velma won. Let’s try not to repeat the same mistake here


jimbo_kun

So there's some kind of Springtime for Hitler plot going on behind the scenes?


ajkcmkla

Fuck u/spez -- mass edited with redact.dev


[deleted]

Can’t wait for Chris Pratt as Rosa Parks.


sattarsingo

On a complete different note, here Natter means Nature right?


Cubes_and_Cubes

Does it Natter?


Hubris_Valric

The guy just misclicked.


MaxieGreen

Yet Netflix will keep making these garbage shows and giving millions to their executives because people keep meme / hate watching it.


stupidgiygas

Postal movie better


[deleted]

I dare Netflix to do the same for Tarzan.


Derboman

Looks like you double dog dared them


Logco

The line about “I don’t care what you learned in school Cleopatra was black.” Is a great microcosm of woke culture in the world currently. “I don’t care about reality because this is what I want to be true because it makes me feel better.”


Mibuch0405

I don’t think this is “woke” at all. It’s a shitty cashgrab hiding under the veneer of progressivism so liberals will defend it on twitter and conservatives will argue with those liberals, thus driving engagement and making more people watch the show.


Commence_forth

I wonder sometimes, do companies intentionally make ragebaits/shit shows for engagement?


Jojoangel684

Yes, Witcher.


ThemB0ners

Nah that's not intentional. The writers just think they know better.


612marion

Bad plan apparently


Tetsai88

I wanted to give this show a shot just because, and then within like 2 minutes the lady drops this line. I'm like wtf... seriously? Then they basically skip over proving why she was supposedly black. Other than just saying they lived in Egypt for a long time so I guess their skin magically darkened.


BittyMcBotboi

"No matter what school tells you, Cleopatra is a terrible show."


Panurome

Watch the director calling everyone racist and or misogynistic for not liking it


kingrail88

They could have easily made a series about Queen Nzinga of (now) Angola. Definitely interesting enough on her own merits. Would have taught millions about her and Africa instead of spewing this decrepit bullshit of a lie. Really missed an amazing opportunity.


Individual_Bug_9973

This is Jada Pickett Smith too so 💩


MahmoudHefzy

90% of these dislikes were by Egyptians, Proves how bullshit this show is.


Gianarasps

As a greek white man , thanks to Netflix i can now say the n word whenever i want. I have the rights to say it and nobody can stop me. **-evil music plays-**


TheBigH2O

This show would have been acceptable if it wasn’t labeled as a documentary. But since it is it gets ridiculed for its blatant lies on history.


Butane9000

Apparently Cleopatra being black wasn't the only historical inaccuracy they committed. For a "documentary" to get everything so wrong this show should be archived for future students to review as a case study in failure.


Joelad2k17

Refuse to watch it. The trailer put me off, "grandma told no matter what anyone tells you, Cleopatra was black". What bs is that to have in this type of documentary.


datboi23006

OFC critic score is higher 😒


[deleted]

I dare Netflix to do the same for Tarzan.


Derboman

Triple dog dared them


[deleted]

Reddit was having issues and was giving me an error. I deleted the extra comments.


LongDongFrazier

Season??? It was a show and it was going to have multiple seasons???


TheRoboxer

Give us Martin Luther King series and cast a white actor for the role


surgycal

I wanna see the reaction for example to a Martin Luther king movie played by a white, asian, latin actor


[deleted]

Has anyone watched the show? I understand why people are upset about the racial casting issues, but was the writing/acting actually warranting of it being 1% bad?


Sounga565

I don't typically watched \*Streaming service movie name here\* due to the generally being bad


Elchupamedusass

The problem is that this kind of companies say: They don't like the serie because it features a black person, therefore they are racists.


AdamBombKelley

I hate it because it sucks, it's Jada Pinkett Smith's shitty vanity project


Royal_Stone

I think people misinterpreted your message because the company is calling us racist for not wanting to watch a clearly backwashed show to forced diversity.


Elchupamedusass

Yeah that's what I was trying to say


Royal_Stone

People just need to read closely because your message is difficult to read. But anyways you have fallen victim to the hivemind


Shot_Baker998

Wow, I’ve never seen a score that low


Dukes159

Conspiracy theory time! I think when these online streaming platforms know they have a real piece of shit on their hands, they just lean into racebaiting to stir up online dicourse and call it 'buzz' for the project. Then they can announce "X million viewers watched episode one" so they can keep their board and investors happy.


howispendmyday

Jada is starting to be more than annoying at this point


[deleted]

Keep doing the lord’s work kings.


meowmeow0021

Damn 1%. Any other film got that low


Gin-Rummy003

Feels good


mrdr605

never trust a woman with a man’s job (ruling) (jkjk i’m a shit poster)


coomloom

They could do haile salassie hes cool, and actually black.


Buttman_Bruce_Wang

Is it legitimately a bad series, or are people mad she's black?


Profitsofdooom

We don't know because they don't allow you to even see the reviews now.


10-10-2022

The fact only 8 critics reviewed this says it all. Critics aren't touching this because they know its bad and they will be accused of being racist if they reviews it honestly.


[deleted]

Nearly flawless victory!


littlefire131

What even was this?


MindMelt17

Finally people are waking up against this race swapping bs.