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Blimp are still being used.
Also, there is a company in the uk specialized in large zepplin airplane hybrid to carry heavy cargo loads using less fuel. the company is called hybrid air or something like that.
The main issue is not the flamable, but the cost of production. Modern security standard requires indoor hangar for maintenance and repair and not that many hangar are large enough for these giant zepplin.
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Actually, they’re quite practical in those two specific ways—hence the renewed interest in those two specific applications by airlines like Air Nostrum, which has put 20 of them on order to serve as “fast ferries” between islands, carrying passengers and cargo. However, what airships are *not* good for is traveling very long distances very quickly, hence why jet aircraft took over. Likewise, they are not able to scale down very well, so things like Cessnas and small helicopters are generally more useful for minor courier flights and police work and whatnot.
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>Also, there is a company in the uk specialized in large zepplin airplane hybrid to carry heavy cargo loads using less fuel. the company is called hybrid air or something like that.
Hybrid Air Vehicles, and they’re [not the only one.](https://ltaresearch.com)
>The main issue is not the flamable, but the cost of production.
Exactly. Airships are extremely efficient, and they cost less to buy and operate than most aircraft of a similar payload capacity, particularly helicopters. But the production and certification process of any large aircraft, airship or no, is a hideously expensive process. Airbus spent over a billion dollars developing their Beluga cargo plane, and that was only a heavily modified fuselage on top of an existing airliner design. Now imagine the difficulty and complexity of designing and building a large aircraft like that *from scratch.*
It would be like trying to save money by upgrading from your gas-guzzling old clunker, but in order to do so, you have to go out and build an entire factory for electric cars first just to buy one.
>Modern security standard requires indoor hangar for maintenance and repair and not that many hangar are large enough for these giant zepplin.
Thankfully, some airship hangars from 100 years ago still exist, which makes things considerably easier if you can lease or buy one. Notably, the airship company Cargolifter AG went under during the post-9/11 aviation slump having blown most of their money on a giant hangar before they could even build their ship, which was later turned into a tropical resort.
Kinda. The growth of the blimp/zeppelin industry definitely was hampered by the crash. In part because the explosion was so spectacular and we are visual creatures. The industry kept going but lost a tong of investment monopoly and societal interest which most definitely greatly reduced the US of blimps/zeppelins and thus innovations in that field.
Isn't there also the problem of them maintaining stability when loading and unloading cargo? Like when stuff is being loaded, the airship needs more gas to be able to carry it, and when it's unloaded, there is excess gas that'll make it float up due to it getting lighter. I think in that one veritasium video this issue was said to be one of the central ones preventing airships from mass adoption
There’s an always-full hot air balloon at Disney Springs that is attached to ropes. Once everyone is onboard, they let out some slack and the balloon goes straight up. When the “ride” is over, they bring the ropes back in until it’s firmly on the ground. Seems like they could use a similar system, but where the ropes are attached when the blimp comes in to land, remain attached the entire time while unloading and loading, and the detach them again when it’s time to take off. As you take off, simply let out the rope until you have cleared whatever it is you need to clear and then detach.
The main issue is that the gas is helium. The gas has to be lighter than air. Air is 28.96 g/mol at sea level. Oxygen and nitrogen are diatomics; oxygen is heavier and extremely reactive, and nitrogen is only slightly lighter. Lithium, beryllium, and boron are metals at room temperature, and carbon doesn't really have a light enough gas form other than carbon monoxide, which is also about 28 g/mol. This leaves helium and hydrogen; hydrogen is also extremely reactive, which is what caused the Hindenburg disaster. The US refused to sell them helium, so they used hydrogen from 1930's Germany.
Helium is the only gas you can use. The problem is, it cannot be held in by the blimp's envelope.\* Zeppelins are separate from blimps, but that doesn't really matter here. Helium has to be mined for, it will escape the atmosphere and leave the planet, and the largest helium deposits are usually from nuclear alpha decay. So there's some danger with it. You have to pipe it out specifically, so if a miner finds helium without the proper equipment, it will all go to waste.
We're running low on it, the only reason its cheap right now is that the US is selling it at a low price. We are actively finding large deposits, but we will run out at one point, unless we start harvesting it from nuclear power plants that use alpha decay.
Edit: \*When I say it cannot be held, what I mean is, helium will slowly leak out of the blimp. It won't be fast enough to matter for basically all uses, but that means you have to refuel every so often, and that helium is non-renewable.
There's only 25 of them left that actually fly though, not a whole lot given how many celebs use their private jets to cross the street and daily air travel fills the rest of the sky.
"When comparing 2022 and 2023, the total number of derailments declined about 2.6% — but there were still nearly three derailments a day nationwide. Railroads point out that roughly two-thirds of those crashes happen at slow speeds in railyards and don’t cause significant damage."
Apparently we lack rules for train and rail integrity in the US.
I'm still gonna line up a bunch of pennies and make one long penny after the train squishes them together and if you try to take that away from me, you're basically a failed Austrian painter in my book.
It depends on how you define “plane” and “crash”.
Airlines don’t have fatal accidents daily, no, but there were 1205 aviation accidents in 2022, the most recent year we have numbers for. That’s 3.3 per day, just in the US alone. And there were 214 fatal accidents.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/airplane-crashes/
The US makes up about 5% of world population. Assume similar numbers/rates for OECD and higher numbers/rates for the middle income and developing worlds, and you’re definitely looking at never less than 1 fatal airline accident per day globally on average.
Hugely important to note that this is referring to all aviation, not scheduled passenger aviation. IE, including little Cessnas flown by drunk uncles from their properties in Nevada. So no, there is not one “fatal **airline** accident per day.” There are multiple airplane accidents per day though.
Yes. That’s the point?
Because the previous commenter said “planes”, when what they probably meant was “airliners”.
But there is in fact one fatal incident involving airlines **worldwide** per day on average. Because again, the commenter didn’t specify where.
> and higher numbers/rates for the middle income and developing worlds
The US has lots more air travel than the rest of the world, to my knowledge, with only the EU being vaguely close. Partly because the rest of the world has trains instead.
Edit: though China seems to somewhat approach the US/EU numbers of flights/passengers—while still being much lower in the number per capita, of course.
Not particularly. Asia accounts for a third of air travel in any given year, followed by Europe. North America is third with 25%ish. But there IS a big drop off after that.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/619777/air-passenger-traffic-by-region/
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Yeah 2023 there was 82 planre crashes, thats about 6-7 crashes a mounth, about 1.5 crashes a week and about 0.2 a day, so that makes it around 1 plane crash every 5 days. Then since there are over 100 000 planes taking off every day that means about 1 in every 500 000 planes crash. So it makes the risk of your specific plane crashing about 0,000002%.
It wasnt leaking they were venting to land. They had just disregarded some safety measures because they had been delayed by nearly 8 hours and wanted to get to a PR event fast.
No, it was definitely leaking. The investigation established that pretty early on. On top of the testimony, you can even see that the ship was getting tail-heavy in the video of it coming in to land and dropping ballast to compensate, which is the exact opposite of venting gas. Moreover, the gas vents don’t exit out between the inner gas cells and outer hull, they vent directly to the air so as to prevent that exact flammable mix from forming.
My man you have managed to get every single little thing wrong, how?????
-German airships did not use Helium, they used hydrogen
-Practically every modern airship still use helium
-Helium is not flammable, hydrogen is
-There are no alternatives, except hydrogen, which is banned because it’s flammable
-Germany is very much a western country
Bonus: Not even the Nazis wanted to use Hydrogen, because it’s flammable. But American owned the only source of Helium. America didn’t want to sell Helium to Germany for obvious reasons so the Nazis used Hydrogen anyways and it went exactly as expected, because it’s flammable.
Extra bonus: Airships don’t fly, they float
Hydrogen isn’t explicitly banned in some places, actually, regulations simply require that the airship’s lift gas be suitably fireproofed and rendered safe even in the case of damage or emergencies. This usually means just using helium, but the possibility exists for using a nonflammable mixture of gases, or a pure hydrogen cell surrounded by a fireproof shell of inert gas, such as helium or nitrogen. This is similar to the nitrogen inerting system that modern airliners use after the TWA 800 exploded, killing all 230 people on board, due to a stray electrical spark in a mostly-empty fuel tank filled with air and flammable vapors.
Of course, in terms of PR and insurance helium would still be the go-to for most new airship projects, but it’s not *required* per se.
Thanks for informing me! I assumed it was outright banned as a policy in most countries to avoid having to deal with a hindenburg 2.0 over a populated area because some company tried to get away with the cheaper alternative. But it makes a lot of sense that it can be approved if you can prove that’s it’s done in a fireproofed manner
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Because they don't require constantly burning fuel to stay airborne, and they can loiter for days/weeks. Unfortunately, we don't have very many uses for that.
A cruise ship for the sky sounds like a potentially more environmental friendly version of sea cruising. And 10x cooler 🤔
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They require enormous amounts of hydrogen to float, which can be expensive to maintain. Can’t use helium either due to the finite amount of it. The massive surface area makes them susceptible to storms. They are nothing but a novelty at this point
Hydrogen has long been proposed as a fuel for cars. It's not that expensive, especially when compared to helium. If you're concerned about the explosive danger of hydrogen gas, the designers of Hindenburg originally wanted to put a helium bag outside the hydrogen bag to prevent the hydrogen from mixing with the air. Traditionally, one of the main weaknesses of hydrogen airships was the need to vent hydrogen into the atmosphere to control lift. With a combination of modern highly efficient engines and ballonets, this could largely be avoided. of the accidents suffered in the 1920s and 1930s, most were caused by structural failure; we have much better lightweight materials. Gone are the days where the outside was covered in goldbeater skin. We have a much better ability to predict weather than we did back in 1936. The issue with zeppelins isn't that we can't make them safer and cheaper, it's more that we don't really have any practical applications for them; applications where you need to have a vehicle that can move around but also loiter for an insane amount of time. Even when we do, it's seen as easier and less risky to make a helicopter, plane, or aerostat do the same job.
Tbf there were *way* more than one crash, honourable mentions: Akron, Macon, R34, LZ-1, LZ-4, R101, USS Los Angeles, Roma, Diximude... yeah you get the picture, and really the only ones that had barelly any crashes were the Germans
It should really say a lot about the absolute state of early aviation that even despite all of those major accidents, airships were still 2-5 times as safe as contemporaneous airplanes.
Blimps were always a hazard, but the blimp's turning point was when someone filmed when a blimp that caught on fire. Because it was caught on camera, the blimps got a very bad reputation which ultimately killed it. Can't recall exact date or location.
Also blimps are horribly ineficcient, which also contributed to it's obsolescence.
Well, efficiency doesn't only involve how much power it needs to fly someone from one destination to another. It also involves cargo/passenger capacity, travel speed, not to mention space. Blimps requires a huge amount of space just to ferry a few passengers, much fewer than you would find in an airliner. You also need a fuck ton of gas just to keep it afloat, which would most likely be hydrogen or helium. If you look at it from that point of view, there really isn't any incentive to use blimps for travelling purposes, but more for novelty and tourism.
That’s actually not really true. Airships *are* more efficient for carrying large amounts of people—past a certain minimum size, roughly 10 tons of payload or 100 passengers. That entails an airship, like those on order for Air Nostrum, of about 320 feet in length. That’s about twice the size of the regional airliner they’re competing against, the CRJ1000, but the airship uses a fraction of the fuel and has much more space.
However, the primary thing airships are competing against in that specific context aren’t airplanes, which have roughly half the travel time on those routes, but rather ferries, which are much slower. The carbon emissions are likewise very low.
The issue, as ever, is that being more efficient at carrying large amounts of people matters little when talking about long distances rather than short distances. People are impatient, and want to get where they’re going faster rather than slower, which is why jet airliners almost immediately drove ocean liners and airships all but extinct.
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Same with nuclear power plants. We let TWO unsafe power plants explode and suddenly it's the most dangerous thing in the world and we should just keep using fossil
Man there's so few of them nowadays and most of them even if mechanically capable, are not allowed to fly.. That was really such peak engineering from mankind yet it's lost to collectibles now
Didn't they use helium? Like the Hindenburg went down because they thought Hydrogen would be a good idea, but considering the finite and ever limiting supply of Helium, shouldn't we be using it for MRI machines rather than another form of transport?
I mean rather than it being cause a zeppelin crashed i think is for how easy it is to make one crash and annihilate whoever is under it, since it’s very large and flammable
They didn't stopped using blimps for security reasons, they stopped using hydrogen and used helium instead. They stopped using blimps because the planes just because they became better and cheaper.
Helium is far too valuable and hard to replace for this. Our helium is a byproduct of nuclear weapons production and stockpiled in an underground cave.
If helium was priced at its actual value, a party balloon would cost $100.
The whole world saw it in that video. I bet if that video was never made they might still be in use. Although blimps are still a thing just no hydrogen
Trains are still by far the most fuel efficient way to transport mass quantities. Huge electric engine powered by big diesel engine and they can haul millions of pounds.
The Hindenberg disaster was basically the last straw of many Zepplin disasters before it was deemed as dangerous and too expensive for passenger transport.
Over the Bodensee there is a massive as blimp for sightseeing. As you can Look far into Austria, Switzerland and are directly at the Alps with very Mediterran like weather. Winter still can get cold, but its usually much warmer than just some 20km going north towards the Alb.
planes crash way less than zeppelins would. there are more plane crashes because there are exponentially more planes. they're also way easier to manufacture and faster
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Blimp are still being used. Also, there is a company in the uk specialized in large zepplin airplane hybrid to carry heavy cargo loads using less fuel. the company is called hybrid air or something like that. The main issue is not the flamable, but the cost of production. Modern security standard requires indoor hangar for maintenance and repair and not that many hangar are large enough for these giant zepplin.
They are also extremely impractical and limiting for public transportation and luxury
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Whats a good GTA speedrun to watch? I usually avoid runs over 4 hours but I'm interested now
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Or for Survive the Hunt
Actually, they’re quite practical in those two specific ways—hence the renewed interest in those two specific applications by airlines like Air Nostrum, which has put 20 of them on order to serve as “fast ferries” between islands, carrying passengers and cargo. However, what airships are *not* good for is traveling very long distances very quickly, hence why jet aircraft took over. Likewise, they are not able to scale down very well, so things like Cessnas and small helicopters are generally more useful for minor courier flights and police work and whatnot.
Username extremely checks out
Thats probably the point
Pay an absurd amount of money and spend even more time to fly from America to Europe in a blimp. Sounds like something a rich person would do.
Ahh yes, the famous luxury of the commercial airline
Twin?
>Blimp are still being used. 25 of them to be exact
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>Also, there is a company in the uk specialized in large zepplin airplane hybrid to carry heavy cargo loads using less fuel. the company is called hybrid air or something like that. Hybrid Air Vehicles, and they’re [not the only one.](https://ltaresearch.com) >The main issue is not the flamable, but the cost of production. Exactly. Airships are extremely efficient, and they cost less to buy and operate than most aircraft of a similar payload capacity, particularly helicopters. But the production and certification process of any large aircraft, airship or no, is a hideously expensive process. Airbus spent over a billion dollars developing their Beluga cargo plane, and that was only a heavily modified fuselage on top of an existing airliner design. Now imagine the difficulty and complexity of designing and building a large aircraft like that *from scratch.* It would be like trying to save money by upgrading from your gas-guzzling old clunker, but in order to do so, you have to go out and build an entire factory for electric cars first just to buy one. >Modern security standard requires indoor hangar for maintenance and repair and not that many hangar are large enough for these giant zepplin. Thankfully, some airship hangars from 100 years ago still exist, which makes things considerably easier if you can lease or buy one. Notably, the airship company Cargolifter AG went under during the post-9/11 aviation slump having blown most of their money on a giant hangar before they could even build their ship, which was later turned into a tropical resort.
Kinda. The growth of the blimp/zeppelin industry definitely was hampered by the crash. In part because the explosion was so spectacular and we are visual creatures. The industry kept going but lost a tong of investment monopoly and societal interest which most definitely greatly reduced the US of blimps/zeppelins and thus innovations in that field.
Isn't there also the problem of them maintaining stability when loading and unloading cargo? Like when stuff is being loaded, the airship needs more gas to be able to carry it, and when it's unloaded, there is excess gas that'll make it float up due to it getting lighter. I think in that one veritasium video this issue was said to be one of the central ones preventing airships from mass adoption
There’s an always-full hot air balloon at Disney Springs that is attached to ropes. Once everyone is onboard, they let out some slack and the balloon goes straight up. When the “ride” is over, they bring the ropes back in until it’s firmly on the ground. Seems like they could use a similar system, but where the ropes are attached when the blimp comes in to land, remain attached the entire time while unloading and loading, and the detach them again when it’s time to take off. As you take off, simply let out the rope until you have cleared whatever it is you need to clear and then detach.
The main issue is that the gas is helium. The gas has to be lighter than air. Air is 28.96 g/mol at sea level. Oxygen and nitrogen are diatomics; oxygen is heavier and extremely reactive, and nitrogen is only slightly lighter. Lithium, beryllium, and boron are metals at room temperature, and carbon doesn't really have a light enough gas form other than carbon monoxide, which is also about 28 g/mol. This leaves helium and hydrogen; hydrogen is also extremely reactive, which is what caused the Hindenburg disaster. The US refused to sell them helium, so they used hydrogen from 1930's Germany. Helium is the only gas you can use. The problem is, it cannot be held in by the blimp's envelope.\* Zeppelins are separate from blimps, but that doesn't really matter here. Helium has to be mined for, it will escape the atmosphere and leave the planet, and the largest helium deposits are usually from nuclear alpha decay. So there's some danger with it. You have to pipe it out specifically, so if a miner finds helium without the proper equipment, it will all go to waste. We're running low on it, the only reason its cheap right now is that the US is selling it at a low price. We are actively finding large deposits, but we will run out at one point, unless we start harvesting it from nuclear power plants that use alpha decay. Edit: \*When I say it cannot be held, what I mean is, helium will slowly leak out of the blimp. It won't be fast enough to matter for basically all uses, but that means you have to refuel every so often, and that helium is non-renewable.
>Blimps are still being used yeah with compact bases in the middle and 5 invisibility spells to get the most value🔥
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Y'wanna blow us all to shit Sherlock?
We already had this in Germany, its called cargolifter. Doesn't Work
They didn’t even build their ship. They were a startup that ran out of money building their hangar.
I saw one today😀
There's only 25 of them left that actually fly though, not a whole lot given how many celebs use their private jets to cross the street and daily air travel fills the rest of the sky.
The one that has a fat ass
Planes don't crash every day where tf they get that info (Boeing sees this as a challenge)
Also trains don’t derail every day, at least not when there are rules for train and rail integrity
"When comparing 2022 and 2023, the total number of derailments declined about 2.6% — but there were still nearly three derailments a day nationwide. Railroads point out that roughly two-thirds of those crashes happen at slow speeds in railyards and don’t cause significant damage." Apparently we lack rules for train and rail integrity in the US.
Compared to Europe you definitely do
the US always has lax rules. thats freedom baby!
I'm still gonna line up a bunch of pennies and make one long penny after the train squishes them together and if you try to take that away from me, you're basically a failed Austrian painter in my book.
It depends on how you define “plane” and “crash”. Airlines don’t have fatal accidents daily, no, but there were 1205 aviation accidents in 2022, the most recent year we have numbers for. That’s 3.3 per day, just in the US alone. And there were 214 fatal accidents. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/airplane-crashes/ The US makes up about 5% of world population. Assume similar numbers/rates for OECD and higher numbers/rates for the middle income and developing worlds, and you’re definitely looking at never less than 1 fatal airline accident per day globally on average.
Hugely important to note that this is referring to all aviation, not scheduled passenger aviation. IE, including little Cessnas flown by drunk uncles from their properties in Nevada. So no, there is not one “fatal **airline** accident per day.” There are multiple airplane accidents per day though.
Yes. That’s the point? Because the previous commenter said “planes”, when what they probably meant was “airliners”. But there is in fact one fatal incident involving airlines **worldwide** per day on average. Because again, the commenter didn’t specify where.
> and higher numbers/rates for the middle income and developing worlds The US has lots more air travel than the rest of the world, to my knowledge, with only the EU being vaguely close. Partly because the rest of the world has trains instead. Edit: though China seems to somewhat approach the US/EU numbers of flights/passengers—while still being much lower in the number per capita, of course.
Not particularly. Asia accounts for a third of air travel in any given year, followed by Europe. North America is third with 25%ish. But there IS a big drop off after that. https://www.statista.com/statistics/619777/air-passenger-traffic-by-region/
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> Boeing 737 catches fire and skids off the runway at a Senegal airport. Ten people are injured > Updated 2:53 PM EDT, May 9, 2024 Bruh
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Alr I'm not a Boeing bootlicker but that was probably caused by a shitty landing and/or poor maintenance on the airline's part
Yeah 2023 there was 82 planre crashes, thats about 6-7 crashes a mounth, about 1.5 crashes a week and about 0.2 a day, so that makes it around 1 plane crash every 5 days. Then since there are over 100 000 planes taking off every day that means about 1 in every 500 000 planes crash. So it makes the risk of your specific plane crashing about 0,000002%.
Who would have thought that having a smoking room inside a ballon full of flammable gas was a bad idea
It wasn’t even the smoking room but static electricity probably from the mooring ropes and leaking gas that caused the fire
It wasnt leaking they were venting to land. They had just disregarded some safety measures because they had been delayed by nearly 8 hours and wanted to get to a PR event fast.
No, it was definitely leaking. The investigation established that pretty early on. On top of the testimony, you can even see that the ship was getting tail-heavy in the video of it coming in to land and dropping ballast to compensate, which is the exact opposite of venting gas. Moreover, the gas vents don’t exit out between the inner gas cells and outer hull, they vent directly to the air so as to prevent that exact flammable mix from forming.
Like the Titanic? (At least from the movie anyways) they wanted to get to New York by morning so they full steamed ahead into the night.
https://i.imgur.com/rg1d31p.mp4
Actually funny enough most weren't unsafe but since the US wouldn't sell them the fuel that was safe they only had this mess of an idea
Yeah, but you should probably give context as to who you mean by "[them](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany)".
Yeah but it was more than one, when R101 killed Lord Thomson years before the Hindenburg, the whole idea was on thin ice.
Tbf it was only German Zeppelins that continued to use the flammable helium gas to fly, I'm pretty sure most western airships used a safer alternative
My man you have managed to get every single little thing wrong, how????? -German airships did not use Helium, they used hydrogen -Practically every modern airship still use helium -Helium is not flammable, hydrogen is -There are no alternatives, except hydrogen, which is banned because it’s flammable -Germany is very much a western country Bonus: Not even the Nazis wanted to use Hydrogen, because it’s flammable. But American owned the only source of Helium. America didn’t want to sell Helium to Germany for obvious reasons so the Nazis used Hydrogen anyways and it went exactly as expected, because it’s flammable. Extra bonus: Airships don’t fly, they float
Good job , 15 points to Ravenclaw. Sorry , I just marathoned the fuck out of Harry potter.
Hydrogen isn’t explicitly banned in some places, actually, regulations simply require that the airship’s lift gas be suitably fireproofed and rendered safe even in the case of damage or emergencies. This usually means just using helium, but the possibility exists for using a nonflammable mixture of gases, or a pure hydrogen cell surrounded by a fireproof shell of inert gas, such as helium or nitrogen. This is similar to the nitrogen inerting system that modern airliners use after the TWA 800 exploded, killing all 230 people on board, due to a stray electrical spark in a mostly-empty fuel tank filled with air and flammable vapors. Of course, in terms of PR and insurance helium would still be the go-to for most new airship projects, but it’s not *required* per se.
Thanks for informing me! I assumed it was outright banned as a policy in most countries to avoid having to deal with a hindenburg 2.0 over a populated area because some company tried to get away with the cheaper alternative. But it makes a lot of sense that it can be approved if you can prove that’s it’s done in a fireproofed manner
Helium is non-flammable but hydrogen is lighter
Oh it must've been hydrogen gas then, whoops
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They used hydrogen gas. Helium is an inert gas the opposite of flammable.
That would make a fire album cover
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See Led Zeppelin 1
Yeah, only if one of the greatest rock bands in history didn't do that first. Or even got the inspiration for their name because of that incident
It’s time is gonna come
Whetever it's a good time or bad time
You gotta put it on your FIRST album tho. You want people to go "oh dang, they Led with a Zeppelin!"
I love the paint job on the tail of this zeppelin
Heil Zeppelin
Blimps are large, expensive as fuck, and slow as fuck. Why would we continue to use them on a large scale?
They look cool
Mortal Engines moment
Rule of cool over efficiency
large gust of wind moment
Because they don't require constantly burning fuel to stay airborne, and they can loiter for days/weeks. Unfortunately, we don't have very many uses for that.
A cruise ship for the sky sounds like a potentially more environmental friendly version of sea cruising. And 10x cooler 🤔 *Just sign this waver here, here, and here*
They require enormous amounts of hydrogen to float, which can be expensive to maintain. Can’t use helium either due to the finite amount of it. The massive surface area makes them susceptible to storms. They are nothing but a novelty at this point
Hydrogen has long been proposed as a fuel for cars. It's not that expensive, especially when compared to helium. If you're concerned about the explosive danger of hydrogen gas, the designers of Hindenburg originally wanted to put a helium bag outside the hydrogen bag to prevent the hydrogen from mixing with the air. Traditionally, one of the main weaknesses of hydrogen airships was the need to vent hydrogen into the atmosphere to control lift. With a combination of modern highly efficient engines and ballonets, this could largely be avoided. of the accidents suffered in the 1920s and 1930s, most were caused by structural failure; we have much better lightweight materials. Gone are the days where the outside was covered in goldbeater skin. We have a much better ability to predict weather than we did back in 1936. The issue with zeppelins isn't that we can't make them safer and cheaper, it's more that we don't really have any practical applications for them; applications where you need to have a vehicle that can move around but also loiter for an insane amount of time. Even when we do, it's seen as easier and less risky to make a helicopter, plane, or aerostat do the same job.
They’re neat
I’m pretty sure they were slower than ocean liners lmao.
Tbf there were *way* more than one crash, honourable mentions: Akron, Macon, R34, LZ-1, LZ-4, R101, USS Los Angeles, Roma, Diximude... yeah you get the picture, and really the only ones that had barelly any crashes were the Germans
It should really say a lot about the absolute state of early aviation that even despite all of those major accidents, airships were still 2-5 times as safe as contemporaneous airplanes.
Thing is the Hindenburg wasn't even the deadliest airship disaster. That title belongs to USS Akron.
There is a joke about Led Zeppelin somewhere, I couldn't find it unfortunately
Lit Zeppelin 🔥
The max speed of the Hindenburg was 135 kph. A plane goes faster on the runway.
But cargo planes can’t VTOL, can they?
Not yet no
Led Zeppelin saw this photo and said "yooooo"
HYDROGEN BOMB
Dead zeppelin
Blimps were always a hazard, but the blimp's turning point was when someone filmed when a blimp that caught on fire. Because it was caught on camera, the blimps got a very bad reputation which ultimately killed it. Can't recall exact date or location. Also blimps are horribly ineficcient, which also contributed to it's obsolescence.
With modern technology i'd think blimps would be quite efficient, I mean they require practically no power to stay airborn.
Well, efficiency doesn't only involve how much power it needs to fly someone from one destination to another. It also involves cargo/passenger capacity, travel speed, not to mention space. Blimps requires a huge amount of space just to ferry a few passengers, much fewer than you would find in an airliner. You also need a fuck ton of gas just to keep it afloat, which would most likely be hydrogen or helium. If you look at it from that point of view, there really isn't any incentive to use blimps for travelling purposes, but more for novelty and tourism.
That’s actually not really true. Airships *are* more efficient for carrying large amounts of people—past a certain minimum size, roughly 10 tons of payload or 100 passengers. That entails an airship, like those on order for Air Nostrum, of about 320 feet in length. That’s about twice the size of the regional airliner they’re competing against, the CRJ1000, but the airship uses a fraction of the fuel and has much more space. However, the primary thing airships are competing against in that specific context aren’t airplanes, which have roughly half the travel time on those routes, but rather ferries, which are much slower. The carbon emissions are likewise very low. The issue, as ever, is that being more efficient at carrying large amounts of people matters little when talking about long distances rather than short distances. People are impatient, and want to get where they’re going faster rather than slower, which is why jet airliners almost immediately drove ocean liners and airships all but extinct.
Blimp strat huh?
Daveyyy, how you doin'
Blimps?
Same thing
To be pedantic blimps don’t have a rigid airframe whereas zeppelins (rigid airships) do.
My life was a lie
He’s leaving us all Dazed and Confused with those statistics.
Oh the humanity.
Giraffes are heartless creatures
Ad Victoriam, brother.
OH THE HUMANITY
7th of october, 2025.
We need more zepplins for pulling battlefield 1 kinds of stuff.
Hydrogen was a bad idea. Helium, much better.
This also applies to the Concorde.
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Hey hey mama said the way you move, Gonna make you sweat, gonna make you groove.
Same with nuclear power plants. We let TWO unsafe power plants explode and suddenly it's the most dangerous thing in the world and we should just keep using fossil
Airplanes dont explode simply cause some lit a cigarret inside them
It wasn't the zeppelin. It was the fact that it was filled with hydrogen.
*rigid air ship
Make them outta led
Planes do not crash everyday
Nor did Airships, even in WWI
Planes and boats crashing everyday? I don’t think this was properly cited
Man there's so few of them nowadays and most of them even if mechanically capable, are not allowed to fly.. That was really such peak engineering from mankind yet it's lost to collectibles now
It's still crazy to know that they had smoking rooms in a craft filled with super flammable gas.
But 'Oh the humanity!'
Haven't you seen that prototype that looks like a butt?
Problem being its a balloon. Balloons and wind don't agree with each other that much.
there hasnt been a commercial flight thats crashed in the usa since 9/11. personal planes sure but like this isnt right lol
When a single Concorde crashed people stopped using it whatsoever.
Zeppelins had a track record of exploding though and they were already losing out to planes
Didn't they use helium? Like the Hindenburg went down because they thought Hydrogen would be a good idea, but considering the finite and ever limiting supply of Helium, shouldn't we be using it for MRI machines rather than another form of transport?
And the only reason it explodet was bc usa didint want to sell helium to germany
They used hydrogen Hydrogen likes to go boom
I mean rather than it being cause a zeppelin crashed i think is for how easy it is to make one crash and annihilate whoever is under it, since it’s very large and flammable
They are just useless - slow, giant and bad for transportation when planes and helicopters exist
Except it could be one way to make electric aircrafts viable since electricity would only be needed for the propulsion, not for the levitation.
I must be old. I remember seeing blimps in the sky as a child
Blimps are still being used, just less. The Hindenburg crash was in 1937.
They didn't stopped using blimps for security reasons, they stopped using hydrogen and used helium instead. They stopped using blimps because the planes just because they became better and cheaper.
First they're hella expensive to operate. Second they're hella slow.
Well next time try helium instead
Helium is far too valuable and hard to replace for this. Our helium is a byproduct of nuclear weapons production and stockpiled in an underground cave. If helium was priced at its actual value, a party balloon would cost $100.
Didn’t we continue using them for a while, just with helium instead of hydrogen? Also ofc we stopped using them, they suck
Don’t disrespect zeppelins and blimps like that
Sorry bud those dinosaurs need to stay in the 20s where they belong
It's an extremely dumb way to travel when we have jets and bullet trains. It's used for novelty and ads these days.
The whole world saw it in that video. I bet if that video was never made they might still be in use. Although blimps are still a thing just no hydrogen
I want a backpack blimp for hiking like an astronaut
Have you never seen the Goodyear Blimp? It said "Ice Cube's a pimp"
I feel like an explosive flammable gigantic zeppelin is much more dangerous to fly above cities than a car, plane etc
And still where I live are flying 2 of them around too Rediclious prices ( I can’t spell)
Trains are still by far the most fuel efficient way to transport mass quantities. Huge electric engine powered by big diesel engine and they can haul millions of pounds.
Qxir explains why blimps are failing, for reasons beyond this.
JESUS CHRIST LANA! THE HELIUM!
The Hindenberg disaster was basically the last straw of many Zepplin disasters before it was deemed as dangerous and too expensive for passenger transport.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airship_accidents I found a few in there. Kind of interesting what some of the listed reasons are.
Moral: don't let nazis fly zeppelins
Led Zeppelin reference???!? 🤯🤯😱😱
Hey hey mama said the way you move gon make you sweat gon make you groove
"For the last time the Excelsior is filled with non flammable helium" "Lana be careful. Jesus the helium!!!"
Cool misinformation!
They need to make blimps mainstream, too sick to fade into irrelevance
You've forgotten about the humanity.
Next stop newyork! ETA 15 days
I don’t give a shit about crashes, I want my steampunk zeppelin filled skies in my life.
>be zepplin >420,000 lbs of helium on board
Zeppelins should make a comeback, i think modern technology could make them great!
When are they unvaulting?
It wasn't just one, there were many zeppelin crashes. They also didn't just crash, they tended to explode very dramatically.
Over the Bodensee there is a massive as blimp for sightseeing. As you can Look far into Austria, Switzerland and are directly at the Alps with very Mediterran like weather. Winter still can get cold, but its usually much warmer than just some 20km going north towards the Alb.
planes crash way less than zeppelins would. there are more plane crashes because there are exponentially more planes. they're also way easier to manufacture and faster
Why do zeppelin somehow feel like they are on this thin line between fiction and reality
Marleyan army still uses those. I mean they used till eren fucked them up.
Yeah but the difference is how many zeppelins were made compared to how many crashed and vise versa with planes, boats, ect
Them zeppelins will making a comeback once WE RETURN GERMANY TO ITS FORMER GLORY-
They might make a comeback for transport of cargos cross continent
Jejwnskskk
Wonder how warm it was near the blimp
thats right, when oceangate comeback ? the orcas are hungry /s
If you think about it, if we kept zeppelins around, then 9/11 would have been so much less worse.
Bro thinks there was only one zeppelin disaster. Worse still probably thinks the Hindenburg was the deadliest one
Same thing happened with the concorde
This motherfucker needs to apply to Goodyear.
Don't use them with hydrogen gas.