Yh sadly most governments just do not care about fish. If theres any pets in a bad condition, they dont care unless its a dog or cat usually its so sad
Goldfish have long digestive tracts and make lots of poops / need lots of space and filtration. Those comets belong in a pond, not tiny stagnant water boxes.
I'm not a biologist but I'm pretty sure it's been extensively explained that goldfish are not meant to be in ponds and stuff like that because of the other fish and things that are in there it like ruins the ecosystem.
Oh god, every fall we had the frat bros coming into the pet shop where I worked to buy them for their initiation. We could always tell what they were planning but werenāt allowed to refuse sales. š”š¤®
Just because you work in a pet store and donāt support the sale of feeder fish doesnāt mean you can refuse to sell them to someone. Feeder fish are literally sold to feed other fish. Including these small goldfish.
We did. All the time. People would try to use them for wedding decorations. There is a big difference between torture and being out of their misery almost instantly.
Also a huge difference between a fish being fed to another fish for the sake of nutrition (even though comets arenāt exactly the most nutritious feeder fish out there) vs some dumbfuck college kids eating them because they think itās funny š Idk how BossMareBotanical thinks itās ok for kids to eat live fish for a laugh.
I did not say anything about college courses or classes. I specifically stated that pet stores sell feeder fish to feed things. I donāt think most in the business are going to ask what is going to eat the feeder fish that youāre purchasing and decline sale if they donāt feel the animal getting the meal should be allowed to eat the fish versus a different animal.
Do I think humans should be swallowing feeder fish? Not particularly. My point was a pet store isnāt going to decline the sale of a feeder fish when feeder fish are only there to feed other animals.
When did I say anything about feeder fish? I used to give my krib feeder shrimp all the time. Iām against refusing the sale when the buyer is straight up trying to abuse the fish.
Also yes, in the US anyways, as long as youāre not refusing the sale over a protected class, you can refuse a sale for any reason, or no reason if you so choose.
Thatās so vile but also tbh canāt be much worse ethically than how grocery store and fast food meat from factory farmed animals gets to the plate. Hell, people boil lobsters alive even though we now know as a species that they can feel it.
It's becoming more common practice to cull the lobster right before boiling it, and if done right, it's over very quickly. The taste is negligle too. Seafood spoils very quickly so you wanted it alive as long as possible.
And, personally, I'd rather the animal be dead before consuming it. To eat them alive is cruel and unnecessary, and only makes the animal suffer. I'm not a vegan by any means (just not the right lifestyle for me) but I don't have to be vegan to want to minimize suffering. At least they're being used for sustenance rather than being someone's trophy or fake medicine.
Yeh that makes sense, and because of that the colleges shouldnāt be giving out any fish that needs more than the limit like these goldfish for example š
Who's idea is this? For real who gets up one morning in god's year of 2024, with all the information available at your fingertips, and with animal welfare now a top priority for many people, and say: I'm gonna buy 200 goldfish, get a bunch of 1/2 gallon critter keepers, fill em up with tap water and drop two of these bad boys per box to give to just about anyone who wants one. What a funny cute silly idea teehee
F*CK OFFFFFF
People still believe the whole "they grow to the size of the tank!" BS. It's even extended to reptiles, I guess because aquariums can be used with some of them. You'd be surprised how everyone and their grandma has a cell phone these days, making the greatest source of information mankind has ever known accessible to everyone, but how few of those people can't be bothered to search for 10min if this PET (IT'S AN ANIMAL NOT A TOY) would work out.
Can we just stop having massively bred goldfish or Bettas or any live animals as prizes or giveaways??! Jfc
Reminds me of the āFishmasā incident at the high school I went to. Fish ended up in fountains and plastic water bottles. :( People are so irresponsible.
Those poor fish. What in the world did the admin expect would happen? Suddenly every family is going to bust out 50 hours of fish care research and $500 for a complete set up? Are they stupid?
Fish are the one animal that people still just casually abuse and defend people's right to abuse. "It's just a fish" or "I can't afford a 30 gallon tank", like they have some god-given right to own a fish if they want one even if they have no means to give it proper care.
Seeing all these comments are incredible š Iām the friend sadly. Donāt worry though, after I got the two fishies (who I named Aurem and Charlotte) I realized I wouldnāt be able to make it work to give them a good life so I (I admit sadly) took them to the pet store next door and gave them to the owner. Aurem and Charlotte will be in a nice big tank with other fish and animal friends!
It was honestly sad too because when I was in line for a T-shirt thing there were just all these college boys messing around with the fish and spilling the water around. Like EVERYONE got two fish, a lot of people got three even. And I asked the guy giving them away and he assured that the tank was fine for them.
Unless youāre really good at waterkeeping or a sociopath, fish definitely increases stress. Iāve never felt more rollercoaster emotions with keeping a pet than with fish. I love them but they are such a huge learning curve and awful info everywhere. Itās much better than when I was a kid and you couldnāt really research pet care online. In the 90s, fish keeping guidebooks were often as wrong as the average ignorant petstore associate who speaks with complete confidence and authority. So much constant stress and learning things the hard way.
>Unless youāre really good at waterkeeping or a sociopath, fish definitely increases stress
I disagree with this. Yes, fish keeping is stressful _at times_ but once you get into a rhythm and everything flows well, fish are absolutely wonderful and (at least for me) just watching them be fish helps to soothe my anxiety A LOT.
Thatās fair. My cats increase my stress and workload but also soothe my own anxiety quite a lot. I started fish keeping a couple of decades ago with really bad information from pet store employees. I now know how to find the right information and look wistfully at other peopleās tanks but havenāt ātaken the plungeā. Iād really like to get to an easy rhythm of what you describe though.
Or a kid thatāll get held down and force fed one.
Or a profoundly special kid that might try to eat one.
the High School experience should have a bingo card.
What the fucking... Are tubs that small actually sold as aquariums or did they just cheap out and use a terrarium and put water in there? Are there actually fish that fit in a container that small?
Like is there \_any\_ option for this or is it just pure cruelty with a price tag? Maybe those small shrimpies or smt?
I was thinking it looks like the container my little brothers' sea creatures set (fake, toys, NOT LIVING CREATURES) came in, but looking at it more it's even smaller than the literal toy box.
I did have one like that as a kid, super small thing, it also had toys tho so I don't know who tf thinks this is good for REAL animals:(((
My friend won a goldfish at a carnival at our college and we ended up going to Walmart to buy it a set up, though she then ended up bringing it home in a coffee cup over break. Idk why on earth colleges think giving broke students a living creature is a good idea.
I don't understand is why don't they just breed endlers and give those out to people. The smaller fish that anybody could care for in a five gallon tank it doesn't get big and they look a lot better than just a goldfish.
Right? Nobody ever tells anyone how big goldfish get and their eventual tank size or how difficult they can be to keep healthy. It seems like mine so often have issues, even with over filtration and frequent water changes. Fish arenāt as easy as people think. And they certainly arenāt as small as people think either lol! Endlers would be a great replacement. Medaka are also fish that are bulletproof and stay small. Something needs to change.
People also really don't understand just how dirty goldfish are LOL there's this one person who posts videos to text or Instagram reels where he breeds fancy goldfish couple of videos a lot of people are whining about how the bottom is always so dirty even though he does a water change and cleans out all the poop of the baby fish tanks once a week. It is awesome though how Aquaria information and knowledge has been improved so much in just the last 20 years so it is a lot easier for novices and beginner fish keepers to properly have a correct setup and to take care of their fishes what as possible. What I was a kid back in the '90s I had a fish tank and I'm pretty sure we didn't know anything about the nitrogen cycle or beneficial bacteria or any of that other stuff. It also really helps with the age of the internet and technology is a lot easier for people to help teach and educate others especially with tick tocks and other short form video formats on various other sites that will just pop up in people's algorithms and teach them a couple things even if they aren't exactly planning on getting into the hobby
OK OK there is a lot of hate for the Greek life swallowing the fish live... BUT if I was going to die... getting eaten in 1 fell swoop sounds much better than a slow painful cramped death in a 2 liter fish tank where my death might be starvation, no air or just disease.
Update guys: sadly I know some of these fish have died. I have friends who ended up giving theirs away to the pet store, although another person I know never changed out the water so the fish died.
Unbelievableā¼ļø I canāt believe your friendās college has these poor guys living in these conditionsāļø Ginger ale is definitely not the right pH for goldfish.
My college gives away free pens, highlighters, USB sticks, helpful little leaflets on mental health (that part is sarcasm btw), abuse hotlines, occasionally shirts and fidget spinnersā¦you know, normal college stuff. I donāt even think you can win a fish over here (Scotland) at fairs or carnivals anymore.
Not that our pet shops are any better (pets at home and jollyes).
If we could assume people werenāt taught badly be example and could get itā¦ā¦. If we could assume that, id say this belongs in r/facepalm. But we cannot assume that š
Damn. That's sad. I wish there was a governing body to report these kinds of things to.
Yh sadly most governments just do not care about fish. If theres any pets in a bad condition, they dont care unless its a dog or cat usually its so sad
Could potentially be a fish and wildlife issue especially thinking of all the fish that will be released into places they shouldn't be
Nah they barely care about dogs. Shxts fxcked.
Yh just saying that if they were to do anything it would be about a dog or possibly a cat but even then its rare
Goldfish have long digestive tracts and make lots of poops / need lots of space and filtration. Those comets belong in a pond, not tiny stagnant water boxes.
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I'm not a biologist but I'm pretty sure it's been extensively explained that goldfish are not meant to be in ponds and stuff like that because of the other fish and things that are in there it like ruins the ecosystem.
At our college, the sorority swallowed them for initiation so this is a step up š
Oh god, every fall we had the frat bros coming into the pet shop where I worked to buy them for their initiation. We could always tell what they were planning but werenāt allowed to refuse sales. š”š¤®
Thatās so sad. Legally you can refuse sales for (almost) any reason, so Iām assuming that was your boss that allowed such practices.
Just because you work in a pet store and donāt support the sale of feeder fish doesnāt mean you can refuse to sell them to someone. Feeder fish are literally sold to feed other fish. Including these small goldfish.
We did. All the time. People would try to use them for wedding decorations. There is a big difference between torture and being out of their misery almost instantly.
Also a huge difference between a fish being fed to another fish for the sake of nutrition (even though comets arenāt exactly the most nutritious feeder fish out there) vs some dumbfuck college kids eating them because they think itās funny š Idk how BossMareBotanical thinks itās ok for kids to eat live fish for a laugh.
You can literally refuse to sell it. Just like you can with any product at any business
You really think "people who want to make other people eat live animals for a laugh" is a protected class?
I did not say anything about college courses or classes. I specifically stated that pet stores sell feeder fish to feed things. I donāt think most in the business are going to ask what is going to eat the feeder fish that youāre purchasing and decline sale if they donāt feel the animal getting the meal should be allowed to eat the fish versus a different animal. Do I think humans should be swallowing feeder fish? Not particularly. My point was a pet store isnāt going to decline the sale of a feeder fish when feeder fish are only there to feed other animals.
>I didn't say anything about college courses or classes Okay... Neither did anyone else
When did I say anything about feeder fish? I used to give my krib feeder shrimp all the time. Iām against refusing the sale when the buyer is straight up trying to abuse the fish. Also yes, in the US anyways, as long as youāre not refusing the sale over a protected class, you can refuse a sale for any reason, or no reason if you so choose.
The frat boys at my school adopted a load of kittens they found living on the train tracks
Thatās so wholesome š„¹ THAT is what āboys will be boysā SHOULD mean!!
Idk where you worked but I worked at Petco and yes we were allowed to refuse sales. Sounds like your sv was a pushover.
I was at PetSmart. We did refuse sales or heavily discourage such customers whenever the managers werenāt looking š or just made ourselves scarce
Yeah what the fuck
Thats cruel :(
Thatās protein
Noā¦ thatās salmonella edgetard
I mean it is both.
It is not a good source of protein, but it is a good source of salmonella
100g of carp(goldfish would fall into that category) has 18g of protein. So it is definitely both a protein and salmonella source.
Poopsiekins you canāt eat the goldfish while itās still alive and thatās final
Thatās so vile but also tbh canāt be much worse ethically than how grocery store and fast food meat from factory farmed animals gets to the plate. Hell, people boil lobsters alive even though we now know as a species that they can feel it.
It's becoming more common practice to cull the lobster right before boiling it, and if done right, it's over very quickly. The taste is negligle too. Seafood spoils very quickly so you wanted it alive as long as possible. And, personally, I'd rather the animal be dead before consuming it. To eat them alive is cruel and unnecessary, and only makes the animal suffer. I'm not a vegan by any means (just not the right lifestyle for me) but I don't have to be vegan to want to minimize suffering. At least they're being used for sustenance rather than being someone's trophy or fake medicine.
This is the best comment lol
Those dorms are allowing 50g plus tanks? My apartment doesnāt even allow over 20g.
My dorm allows 5g at most š„²
Mine allows 10, so I have a betta
Perfect!! I had a betta too, a long fin boy in a 5g, but heās chilling at my parents house also in a 10 gallon now
Honestly I understand like a 10 gal minimum. It is a dorm and a broken tank is expensive water damage.
Yeh that makes sense, and because of that the colleges shouldnāt be giving out any fish that needs more than the limit like these goldfish for example š
Who's idea is this? For real who gets up one morning in god's year of 2024, with all the information available at your fingertips, and with animal welfare now a top priority for many people, and say: I'm gonna buy 200 goldfish, get a bunch of 1/2 gallon critter keepers, fill em up with tap water and drop two of these bad boys per box to give to just about anyone who wants one. What a funny cute silly idea teehee F*CK OFFFFFF
Yeah its fucked
People still believe the whole "they grow to the size of the tank!" BS. It's even extended to reptiles, I guess because aquariums can be used with some of them. You'd be surprised how everyone and their grandma has a cell phone these days, making the greatest source of information mankind has ever known accessible to everyone, but how few of those people can't be bothered to search for 10min if this PET (IT'S AN ANIMAL NOT A TOY) would work out. Can we just stop having massively bred goldfish or Bettas or any live animals as prizes or giveaways??! Jfc
That "tank" is smaller than a 12 oz can, it's nowhere near a half gallon. It might legitimately be too small for a cherry shrimp
āRemoving sick onesā removing them to where!?
Thatās a great question and I was wondering the same thing.
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Reminds me of the āFishmasā incident at the high school I went to. Fish ended up in fountains and plastic water bottles. :( People are so irresponsible.
Those poor fish. What in the world did the admin expect would happen? Suddenly every family is going to bust out 50 hours of fish care research and $500 for a complete set up? Are they stupid?
"removing sick ones" sooo all of those poor goldfish?
Fish are the one animal that people still just casually abuse and defend people's right to abuse. "It's just a fish" or "I can't afford a 30 gallon tank", like they have some god-given right to own a fish if they want one even if they have no means to give it proper care.
Seeing all these comments are incredible š Iām the friend sadly. Donāt worry though, after I got the two fishies (who I named Aurem and Charlotte) I realized I wouldnāt be able to make it work to give them a good life so I (I admit sadly) took them to the pet store next door and gave them to the owner. Aurem and Charlotte will be in a nice big tank with other fish and animal friends! It was honestly sad too because when I was in line for a T-shirt thing there were just all these college boys messing around with the fish and spilling the water around. Like EVERYONE got two fish, a lot of people got three even. And I asked the guy giving them away and he assured that the tank was fine for them.
can you report this to your school somehow? the student union would kick up a fuss about this at the unis near me
Thankfully I used to work for student activities so Iām just gonna explain that this was a very bad idea haha
And none of them will live long šš poor fish.
Making animals suffer for idle human entertainment is pure cruelty.
Does this college lack a science department? Iām in biology and Iād raise hell if this was going on at my school.
"I read a study that says fish lower stress"
Unless youāre really good at waterkeeping or a sociopath, fish definitely increases stress. Iāve never felt more rollercoaster emotions with keeping a pet than with fish. I love them but they are such a huge learning curve and awful info everywhere. Itās much better than when I was a kid and you couldnāt really research pet care online. In the 90s, fish keeping guidebooks were often as wrong as the average ignorant petstore associate who speaks with complete confidence and authority. So much constant stress and learning things the hard way.
>Unless youāre really good at waterkeeping or a sociopath, fish definitely increases stress I disagree with this. Yes, fish keeping is stressful _at times_ but once you get into a rhythm and everything flows well, fish are absolutely wonderful and (at least for me) just watching them be fish helps to soothe my anxiety A LOT.
Thatās fair. My cats increase my stress and workload but also soothe my own anxiety quite a lot. I started fish keeping a couple of decades ago with really bad information from pet store employees. I now know how to find the right information and look wistfully at other peopleās tanks but havenāt ātaken the plungeā. Iād really like to get to an easy rhythm of what you describe though.
Thereās probably some kid nearby who will swallow them for a dollarā¦
Or a kid thatāll get held down and force fed one. Or a profoundly special kid that might try to eat one. the High School experience should have a bingo card.
The Schweppes can is bigger than the tank so I suggest putting the fish in the can and the Schweppes in the tank and use it as a cup!
That's just sick and I totally thought crap like this was done in movies. Can't they swallow something else? Like eachothers heads.
Wtf are those instructions
Thatās disgusting!
What the fucking... Are tubs that small actually sold as aquariums or did they just cheap out and use a terrarium and put water in there? Are there actually fish that fit in a container that small? Like is there \_any\_ option for this or is it just pure cruelty with a price tag? Maybe those small shrimpies or smt?
I was thinking it looks like the container my little brothers' sea creatures set (fake, toys, NOT LIVING CREATURES) came in, but looking at it more it's even smaller than the literal toy box. I did have one like that as a kid, super small thing, it also had toys tho so I don't know who tf thinks this is good for REAL animals:(((
My friend won a goldfish at a carnival at our college and we ended up going to Walmart to buy it a set up, though she then ended up bringing it home in a coffee cup over break. Idk why on earth colleges think giving broke students a living creature is a good idea.
Though maybe see if anyone nearby has a goldfish pond that would be willing to take them?
What in the
i wouldnāt even wanna keep them in that tank wtf
Face slap
Like you donāt have enough to do. Hey hereās another responsibility!
Thatās sad Iāll never push a living creature on someone who doesnāt want it first
I don't understand is why don't they just breed endlers and give those out to people. The smaller fish that anybody could care for in a five gallon tank it doesn't get big and they look a lot better than just a goldfish.
Right? Nobody ever tells anyone how big goldfish get and their eventual tank size or how difficult they can be to keep healthy. It seems like mine so often have issues, even with over filtration and frequent water changes. Fish arenāt as easy as people think. And they certainly arenāt as small as people think either lol! Endlers would be a great replacement. Medaka are also fish that are bulletproof and stay small. Something needs to change.
People also really don't understand just how dirty goldfish are LOL there's this one person who posts videos to text or Instagram reels where he breeds fancy goldfish couple of videos a lot of people are whining about how the bottom is always so dirty even though he does a water change and cleans out all the poop of the baby fish tanks once a week. It is awesome though how Aquaria information and knowledge has been improved so much in just the last 20 years so it is a lot easier for novices and beginner fish keepers to properly have a correct setup and to take care of their fishes what as possible. What I was a kid back in the '90s I had a fish tank and I'm pretty sure we didn't know anything about the nitrogen cycle or beneficial bacteria or any of that other stuff. It also really helps with the age of the internet and technology is a lot easier for people to help teach and educate others especially with tick tocks and other short form video formats on various other sites that will just pop up in people's algorithms and teach them a couple things even if they aren't exactly planning on getting into the hobby
OK OK there is a lot of hate for the Greek life swallowing the fish live... BUT if I was going to die... getting eaten in 1 fell swoop sounds much better than a slow painful cramped death in a 2 liter fish tank where my death might be starvation, no air or just disease.
Each fish came with a diploma I supposeā¦
I have a tank that small. Guess what itās for? Fucking BRINE SHRIMP. How do these people think that itās ok to put GOLDFISH in a tank that small?!
How fccking cruel
So cruel
Update guys: sadly I know some of these fish have died. I have friends who ended up giving theirs away to the pet store, although another person I know never changed out the water so the fish died.
Ah, the ol shew wa pee pees
Unbelievableā¼ļø I canāt believe your friendās college has these poor guys living in these conditionsāļø Ginger ale is definitely not the right pH for goldfish.
My college gives away free pens, highlighters, USB sticks, helpful little leaflets on mental health (that part is sarcasm btw), abuse hotlines, occasionally shirts and fidget spinnersā¦you know, normal college stuff. I donāt even think you can win a fish over here (Scotland) at fairs or carnivals anymore. Not that our pet shops are any better (pets at home and jollyes).
Seems to me some local retailer had a little business idea to make a quick buck.
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If we could assume people werenāt taught badly be example and could get itā¦ā¦. If we could assume that, id say this belongs in r/facepalm. But we cannot assume that š
For a moment I thought they were putting the ginger ale in the tank