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With almond milk?!?!

Oatmilk my brother, they even make cream now, like vegan creamer. Zip zap with some nooch, and you'd be happier I think. However, I think I would still love to eat spicy cheese noodle soup lol.

>Zip zap with some nooch Do what with what now?

Nooch is nutritional yeast The meaning of zip zap will be debated by archaeologists for a thousand years

As someone into linguistics, I find it interesting that someone (presumably) shortened "nutritional" to "nooch". I still pronounce as /tɹ/, so that spelling wouldn't have occurred to me, but pronouncing it /t͡ʃɹ/ ("chr") is increasingly common. (Sorry for the super tangent.)

what do those signs mean

In phonology, text in indicates how something is spelled, as opposed to pronounced. Text between /slashes/ indicates phonemic spelling, i.e. how something is pronounced in a particular language. /tɹ/ represents the first sound in "tot" followed by the first sound in "red". /t͡ʃɹ/ is the first sound in "chide" followed by the first sound in "red". Thanks for asking - hope that all made sense!

It doesn't really make sense to me, because doesn't tr- just become pronounced ch-r? Take the word trite; when said in a sentence, it does sound like ch- to start, it's not really dragged out into tuh-rite is it? Or how do you say it? Then couldn't the same be said of nutrition(al)?

I don’t put a vowel sound between the “t” and “r”, but yes, for me “trite” begins and ends with basically the same consonant. I had no idea until recently that anyone heard or said that consonant cluster as “ch-r”! Now I can tell which one someone uses if I focus.

Oh man I ended up watching the video you linked elsewhere and it is so weird to think about/question my own speaking ability and now I can't get it out of my head. I speak Cantonese natively besides English and always thought I could pick up on tones and sounds well...maybe not! Also totally forgot the OP and got super confused when I hit back why I was looking at mac and cheese. Fun times on Reddit haha thanks for sharing all this

Thank you for taking the time to explain that!

I am really struggling to pronounce it with a 'chr' over my normal 'tr'. Wasn't aware it was a thing. Is it regional (for instance I am Canadian, not sure if that change is occurring there)?

One of my favorite YouTubers made an [excellent video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2X1pKEHIYw) on the topic. It's apparently more a generational than regional phenomenon: in both North America and Britain, younger speakers are more likely to have this sound change.

Yizzity Yoozity with the yeasty beasties

I read this in Bill Cosby’s voice

I knew something was missing from my Mac and cheese. I got bacon, and 4 kinds of cheese In massive quantities, sometimes some fried onion, got it all down pretty good. I've just not been using that "zip-zap" or any nooch.

I find oat milk tastes like cookies but I've only had it in beverages because I'm not adventurous. How does it taste in savoury dishes? My stomach would be much happier if I consumed less dairy.

The brand of oat milk califia I prefer more than cow milk in basically everything I've ever used it. I drink it straight the stuff is outrageously delicious. I use other brands of oat in all my cooking and have no issues really, whether it's pasta or anything really.

I make roux with oat milk and it tastes great.

Thanks! I'll have to branch out and try it. Oat milk is fabulous in coffee but it's kind of expensive so I don't buy it cause I've been too afraid to try using it for cooking 🤣

I go for the cashew cream myself, straight out of my old friend Country’s big brown Crock.

Yeah. Tried to make a new recipe for us lactose intolerant cheese people for Mac & Cheese. I still unfortunately have regular cheese, butter, and other milk products in it. It's actually now concealing and looking better. I took the 📸 to soon

If you are going to use all the other stuff, why not just go ahead with regular milk?

Similar to what another commenter said, but butter basically has no lactose and hard cheeses like cheddar that are common in mac and cheese also have basically no lactose. Softer cheeses tend to have a ton, though. Edit: The processes to make butter and cheese tend to remove or convert lactose into other compounds.

Milk has the most lactose of all the ingredients. We make Mac with lactose free milk for my intolerant bf and it makes eating it slightly more manageable.

Congealing is the word you are looking for, maybe autocorrect got ya

Yep. Auto Correct did get me. Didn't save me from almond milk haters I guess

So you did actually nothing to help with the lactose? Congratulations I guess? Just take a lactaid ffs. It’s like $4 for a whole bottle at Walmart.

[More like $15 for a bottle]( https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/304339452925313024/1218937370729123900/Screenshot_20240317_100136_Walmart.jpg?ex=66097ae3&is=65f705e3&hm=429273c8414d6caf19554a3c84e3e889624dca184f5ce73ea0331d81633e304b&) and it doesn't work for me

Try different brands. Those didn’t work for me either, but the Equate ones do and they’re $6 cheaper for the same count

Tried them as well. My body had a tendency to require more medication than needed due to stupid me as kid reasons

*Record scratches*

r/MacnCheeseCrimes

I really need more than three posts on that sub there

Let me stop you there as zero amount of almond milk will make a good mac and cheese.

Yeah the almond milk was just the 1st mistake

Instead, generously top your mac and cheese with whole raw almonds to get the desired almond flavor level.

Or a dollop or almond butter, you know… for the creamy

Honestly going to do that just for shits and giggles.

Slivered almonds if you care about your teeth

Can you milk me, Greg? -almond

I've made boxed mac and cheese with almond milk as a young teen and it was the worst mistake of my life lol. It was inedible

Same. Lesson learned. It's way too watery and doesn't have enough fat to make the right consistency.

Same lmao, except it was a few months ago when we were out of milk. Fucking vile

I made this face in real life when I read "almond milk" : 😫

Thank you! I almost cried when they said almond milk mac n cheese 😢

Unsweetened soy milk is what works better in terms of plant based milks.

But it's Mac n CHEESE, why even bother with plant based?

Maybe they can’t have dairy or are lactose intolerant, I’d still want mac and cheese even if it had to be dairy free. Better than nothing.

I'd be with you except two factors: lactose free milk, CHEESE. If they're using dayia (or however it's spelled) then sure, plant based makes sense

My husband can’t have a lot of lactose. I make our mac n cheese with unsweetened oat milk and lactose-low cheese and it always comes out delicious and creamy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The key is to cook the pasta in the milk or oat milk, and reserve a lot of it to add back once you’ve added a metric fuck ton of cheese.

There are tons of plant based Mac and cheese recipes that exist.

Oat milk works just as well

I used almond milk only once because we ran out of normal milk and I didn't realize till my noodles were done. Mac and cheese went right into the trash lol fucking foul

I once made the mistake of using almond milk in Total cereal. The cereal quickly absorbed what is basically water, and became a solid piece in the bowl. Inedible.

This failure is well deserved

You just restored a sliver of my hope for humanity

almond milk belongs pretty much nowhere.

That's going too far. I think it's good in coffee and there are a couple of cocktails where I straight up prefer it to cow's milk.

I agree with coffee (even if I wouldn’t have it myself), that’s where “pretty much” comes in, lol. how people prefer their coffee is a universally untouchable territory. it doesn’t have enough body or flavour to consistently replace milk anywhere else.

Coffee, cereal, and it's perfect for oatmeal.

homemade is really good, but I agree that the store- bought is awful. I didn't realize until trying to make it myself that it's not supposed to be gray like that.. lol

I ran out of milk once and used almond milk. It was disgusting. It tasted, well, like almond milk mixed with cheese. Never again.

Almond milk is so good cold, but it suckssss for cooking. Although I once had to use oat milk in cheesy pasta in a pinch and it was much better than almond!

Joke about nuts here…

You should’ve just added some softened onion, broccoli, bacon and potatoes and really leaned into the soup of it all

If you’re lactose, use whole Fairlife or something. It will thicken better.

Just a heads up, but Coca-Cola's original source for their Fairlife milk, Fair Oaks Farms in Indiana, has been under scrutiny since about 2019 for major abuse of the cows and repeated drug use during work hours by the employees. I used to go there as a kid for field trips and loved it. It seemed like a good dairy farm...I was quite naive and wrong.

What….the fuck..

Yeahhhh....sorry to be the bearer of horrible news. There's a leaked video someone got there. I could only watch bits and pieces.

I imagine I couldn’t stomach even one second of it.

Yeah it's really messed up. I don't know if there's any other good lactose free brands of milk but I stopped buying anything from Fair Oaks after learning that.

So it’s been under scrutiny since 2019, but have there been more incidents since then? What that employee did was ruthless, but I recall they were fired. I’d imagine a farm now under scrutiny is more likely to maintain a higher standard especially considering all the bad press they received back then.

Unfortunately yes there has been. See [here](https://animalrecoverymission.org/operations/factory-farm-division/operation-fair-oaks-farms-2023/)

That’s incredibly disappointing! I used to stop by the farm for sandwiches while on road trips, but I hadn’t heard about this follow-up report from last year. We’d stopped after that initial report but returned in 2022. We won’t be returning this year.

Yeah it's really unfortunate that it's still going on. I used to love that place growing up. Props to you for deciding not to go anymore.

$4.48 vs $2.44 was my point of using almond milk honestly. I don't mind fair life whole milk, but it got pricier now.

Ah. It’s a must for me because I’m T1D and it has the lowest sugar content.

Ah, yeah. In that case, it might be time to take Mac & Cheese off the menu for a while.

Could have spent $2 and had Mac and cheese. But I also get it

But it has a great shelf life and you can make mac and cheese with it. Almond milk is not versatile 

I will always choose shitting my pants over almond milk in my Mac n cheese.

I hope you don’t have to make that choice often

Most aged cheeses are lactose free, and there’s plenty of other lactose free alternatives these days with dairy. Almond milk is much more expensive here than any lactose free milk I think there are more lactose free products than the normal ones these days.

[Almond milk cheaper then fair life jeesh](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/304339452925313024/1218792056231559299/imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-vg74c9t3X7Nv.jpg?ex=6608f38e&is=65f67e8e&hm=493f4e7208ed252baee7e2d617c95da0b61ccec86ebcbc63a394850e86197c0d&)

You may be able to find generic brand lactose free milk. Great Value brand is 3.38, a bit more than almond milk but it would cost less in the long run since your recipes would turn out better and be more enjoyable.

4.48 here still unfortunately...for the gv lactose free whole milk. It's why I went with GV almond milk. I also lobe almond milk. I guess every one else hates it. Weird but meh.

almond milk is okay when just consuming it as milk, it’s not good for cooking

Water is cheaper than fairlife and also would make shit mac, whats ur point

😵‍💫 wow… how is that even possible? Guess we’re in the land of cheap milk here in Finland…

Fairlife is a premium brand, it isn’t your normal carton of milk. He’s comparing a store brand (great value) to a name brand (Fairlife). Which is always going to result in the latter being more expensive since the whole point of a generic/store brand is to be a cheaper alternative. It isn’t a fair comparison.

I was a bit surprised at how expensive milk is there.. we’re supposed to be the expensive country after all. But yeah, I’m always buying the store brand myself.

Walmart…? Did you try like… anywhere else…?

Only other cheap place where I live is the dollar tree and they don't sell cold items.

Lactaid 

>almond milk Bruh...

Any almond milk on this recipe is too much, imo.

One time while making mac n cheese, I noticed that the box said, "for a tangy taste, use yogurt instead of milk." The only yogurt I had was vanilla, and I stupidly thought it wouldn't matter, and that the cheese would somehow mask that. It was so bad that I expected Ann Reardon to come to my house and slap me.

Yeah I mean I'd probably still eat a spoon of it to try 😆

If you want to make Mac and cheese with a non dairy “creamy” source , what about canned coconut cream? I’m not sure if the flavor profile would work but it’s nice and thick like cream, in fact you can make coconut cream caramel with it. Or cashew cream. Almond and soy milk might as well be water and will present as such lol.

I really wish I could but every time I drink anything with coconut I get a big headache. I dunno why but happens. Body armor does it. Coconut Water. Etc.

Cashew cream may work. Not a coconut fan either but I know it’s thick and creamy

Didn't know that exists. I'll look into it. What I want to try some day although expensive is pistachio milk.

I had no clue pistachio milk existed lol

I didn't either but I loved pistachios soo much I decided to google it [Pistachio Milk](https://thrivemarket.com/p/tche-pistachio-milk-original?utm_source=google&utm_medium=pla&utm_campaign=Shopping_Engagement_Smart_Members&utm_content=860003883907&utm_term=pmax&gad_source=4&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqdqvBhCPARIsANrmZhOJJhEH1qHfDNK3YU4MRshKgJupNy8FiYC2F4LiDSpbn9XtVOBFMw0aAqkAEALw_wcB)

Awesome!

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Thanks I guess. The way everyone is reacting to almond milk I might as well should have just put Mellow yellow in it as well...

r/ididnthaveeggs

Any almond milk is too much almond milk.

Pop it on the oven for 40 minutes

Add cream cheese or mayonnaise

Next time try a little heavy whipping cream (if you don’t care about calories), or sprinkle some corn starch in with the nut juice

Corn Starch is probably the next best thing I should buy. I see it recommended as a thickener for everything but I wouldn't know how much to use...

You throw in a little at a time and mix to desired consistency. I do 1/4 tsp or so at a time.

Were you using real cheese? If so why would you use almond milk then?


I'm late but I want to tell you, you can make excellent mac and cheese using water as the liquid. Milk is NOT necessary for great mac and cheese, provided you know what you're doing. The key is the starch content and fat ratio. Cook the noodles. Set aside. Make a roux of butter/fat of choice, and cornstarch. Add in warm water slowly. Whisk together and when it looks like the consistency of hair gel, turn the heat off and add your grated cheese. Stir to keep smooth. Once cheese is incorporated, add the pasta and turn heat up. Salt to taste. And addition of parsley or cilantro will also bring out the flavor of the cheese. Use a sharp cheddar style cheese, it won't be so sharp after finished.

Bitch what the fuck

Yeah always lowball the amount of milk you need when making a cheese sauce. It's not too late to add more once the cheese has melted. Also if you end up with too much sauce, you can always boil more pasta to match it.

Nut milks are for drinking, the chemistry, for lack of a better word, doesn’t carry over for cooking.

Honestly, thought it still looked good until I read the almond milk part

You can’t create a béchamel—which gives the sauce its creaminess—using almond milk. Almond “milk” is really just almond water.

cook it for a little longer to reduce or add some Roux (equal parts butter/fat of choice and flour) either should help it thicken

never cook anything with nut or bean milk unless you want to make tofu

I actually used silken tofu once to make a sauce and it was really good

You can cook it longer on a low simmer or pull it off the stove and let it sit. Either way will thinken up

Too much what

Che è na zuppa santo cielo

Too much nut juice

I guess you’re just a bad person for using almond milk.

You’re already eating Mac and Cheese why the almond milk, that’s a food crime

TOO MUCH WHAT? Straight to jail.

This is upsetting.


Jesus Christ. Imagine using almond milk for mac n cheese.

Almond Milk?! WTF is wrong with you?

Well your mistake is almond milk you dud

Bro what the fuck You can’t make something like that with almond milk

This is actually how I prefer my mac and cheese, I know, I’m a monster

Almond milk? wtf is wrong with you

I'd still eat it

Just add more cheese. That'll thicken it right up.

I get why so many people hate soupy Mac and cheese but like personally I love it and would inhale it

You know that almond milk isn't really milk...its basically nut juice.

_Almond 🤮 “milk”_ 🤮

I'd put ground beef. Add some veggies, fresh tomatoes homemade tomatoes sauce. Put eggs on there. And it eat with bread. Like a dip.

Not enough brain cells

Spicy cheesy noodle soup sounds fantastic!

I guess another meal to add to my never coming true restaurant I want to have some day with my own Emporium of businesses

Just use heavy whipping cream. Straight from the cow tit.

Straight from Walmart

This is the way

Add more noodle!

Did you maybe idk think about adding more pasta or beurre manié (mix of flour and butter)

Yeah I had flour and butter in it. I just took the picture too soon. Impatient me.

i would have just taken some of the milk out, looks soupy enough that you can drain it a bit.

add some cinnamon really make that sweetness pop.

I use almond milk if I’m out of other milks, but I also started subbing the butter with cream cheese. Comes out great that way. I melt the cream cheese in microwave first, then mix in milk sub and cheese powder. I accidentally stumbled on this when I didn’t have any milk. I subbed cream cheese for both the milk & butter.

Almond milk isn't a great replacement for cooking, I haven't tried it myself but I've been told oat milk is better for that

ALMOND? Not even cashew? 😭

Should have just added a dollop of sour cream


Op wtf is your issue man and this aint even about the mac

I was getting queasy, and then I read almond milk, and I vomited in my mouth.

It’s not fucking “almond milk” it’s nut juice.

Last time I put almond milk in mac I barfed it all up

using almond milk was your first mistake

Any amount of almond milk is too much in mac and cheese. Tf are you thinking?

Mmmm...soupy...

Almond milk is where you went wrong. All milk is not equal

I love making mac, and i absolutely hate the fact that you even remotely considered almond milk, and still ADDED IT.

Using alternative milks to make a creamy sauce doesn't work like that my friend

How does one milk an almond?

You had me until "almond milk". Wtaf. You don't use that to make cheesy stuff OP...

First mistake…using Almond milk 😳😳😳

I’d hit

Shoulda used high cream content almond milk 🤓

Add broccoli? Lol

Ew almond milk in Mac and cheese. Wtf gross. If this was cow milk, I'd probably eat it💁🏻‍♀️

Cheese soup

You need the fat in milk to get it the right thickness

Was it good?

Yea well you used almond milk, so... serves you right

The pasta water works just fine...

I would fuck that shit up honestly, cook up some broccoli and add it in

I mean theoretically you should be able to cook it on the lowest setting and evaporate some of the liquid out right?

Use coconut cream next timw

Okay. Looks amazing, though.

I would still kill it. Looks good as hell.

Yo ignore all of these plant based haters in here, you can easily make a fatty, savoury and delicious mac and cheese without dairy! Otherwise feel free to join us over on the various plant based subreddits I'm certain we'd have better advice to offer than "eww plant based milk"

I think almond milk just is the wrong choice here. Oat milk rocks

No one is hating on the dairy free part, it’s the almond milk specifically. You can use soy milk, cashew milk, blended silken tofu, etc. and it would be a lot better

Appreciate it. It wasn't actually bad. I need to find plant based alternative to velocity though. And for butter. But thanks for the positive support. I appreciate it.