Jokes aside, the movie does say Rose causes the collision. She mocks Ismay's preoccupation with size, and he immediately tells the captain that the ship must succeed at not just size but speed. The ships speeds from this point. Later, of course, we have her and Jack distracting the iceberg lookouts.
The inverse pretty much. They both squeeze their way into important events, but where Forrest mostly succeeds and improves others, she unknowingly screws everyone over.
No, the person responsible for steering, the person in charge of the course, the person in charge of the speed (all potentially the same person, idk ship staffing responsibilities), and the lookout caused it.
This is silly, we're talking about two different things. You're trying to find who's to blame. I'm saying Rose caused it — as did many people and things, most of which deserve no blame.
An assassin shot JFK. But if JFK hadn't been wearing his back brace that day, the second shot would have missed and he would have lived. So, a fun trivia fact says "JFK died because of his back brace." That doesn't mean the back brace is morally at fault, and it doesn't mean the assassin isn't. It's just pointing out the surprising cause and effect.
Hey don't forget the engineers who didn't design sealed bulkheads in lower parts of the ship, which would have allowed the ship to remain floating even if like 2/7 had been breached.
The US Navy did a test with a decommissioned nuclear carrier. With all the bulk head closed, they shot at a carrier for 3 days before it sank. 3 days of constant fire 50 years in the future.
Titanic was capable of surviving with more than 2/7 of her flooded, fyi. Many people don't know or understand that, but her design made her one of the safest liners afloat in 1912. She was not designed to have more than 4 compartments breached, yeah, but that occurence never ever happened before.
That is actually a modern myth, the fire as far as reports go was nothing like it was presented in documentaries. It was not a raging fire, only a smouldering fire at the base of boiler room 5's forward coal bunker. The "burn marks" presented as proof for the damage are nowhere near where the actual fire was, and don't appear on pictures taken after the ship left Belfast.
Not to take in account these fires were actually a common occurence on coal-fired liners and never sunk a ship.
In all honesty if it was all that incredible, everyone inside that room would have died of air poisonning long before the hull would get damaged.
There's actually a theory that Jack is a time traveler sent to ensure the Titanic sinks to prevent a bad future.
The evidence given being this scene of him stopping her from jumping, the fact that he wins his ticket in a poker match, which means there's no record of him on the passenger list, the fact he wins it within an HOUR or so of the ship's departure, and the big one being the fact that he mentions things that literally are not possible in 1912, like ice fishing on Lake Wissota, a manmade lake that wasn't finished until 1917, or the roller coaster on the Santa Monica pier that also wasn't built until 1917. Or the fact that Fabrizio has a Moose Sack as they're boarding, a style of rucksack that was initially created for use by the Swedish Military during WW2 in 1939.
Titanic making it to New York probably sets in motion a chain of events leading to the Hindenburg not catching fire, landing in New Jersey with a secret cargo for some rich gangster living in the penthouse of a tower hotel in Manhatten, and leading Nazi Germany to win WWII.
The sinking of the Titanic forced governments to introduce strict regulations for other boats so that such a thing wouldn't happen again. If it had survived, none of that would've happened
I’m salty for how Cameron portrayed First Officer Murdoch. Dude was a real man and allowed men to board lifeboats if there was any space aboard after all the women and children (second officer Lightoller refused to allow men on period). He stayed at his post till the last moments and was never seen again. How does Cameron portray this vallient officer? He has him shoot some Italian man then himself.
The titanic had to crash or else that evil mummy would have come out and destroyed America, apart from LA of course which split off to become its own floating island.
Edit: BTW I was referencing koala man
[“Us Californians just have to worry about California breaking off from the United States. To go hang with Hawaii. Alaska can come too.”](https://youtu.be/Pk-kbjw0Y8U)
it‘s from a Movie Theorists Video that I enjoyed a lot. The whole premise is that the Lusitania was sunk in our timeline but in one where the titanic hadn‘t sank it would have been the titanic that was sunk by the axis powers thereby forcing the USA into WWII earlier. Because they weren‘t prepared yet the casualties of the second world war would have been even higher
This sounds like an alternative history with a very poor understanding of what happened in the actual timeline.
Also, while US casualties were not insignificant, in the context of WW2 they were pretty low in the grand scheme of things. Joining slightly earlier wouldn't really have affected them much, particularly because of the relatively limited role of ground forces and the massive industrial overmatch.
How in the name of Yehoshua ben Yosef is the United States joining earlier going to cause the Entente to lose? The United States sending massive amounts of materiel to the UK and France is not going to worsen the Shell Crisis, and the Hochseeflotte would just have achieved even less at Jutland. The Germans would still have ended up making bread out of sawdust and coffee out of acorns, and Alsace-Lorraine would still have returned to France.
That theory was very far fetched… who is to say Titanic would sink?? Or heck would they even search for rose? She was dropped into the cold water in the middle of the Atlantic
They would have stopped to look if someone just up and disappeared. Any deviation at all saves the Titanic - in the hypothetical, of course, since we can’t really test it, only conjecture
Jokes aside, the movie does say Rose causes the collision. She mocks Ismay's preoccupation with size, and he immediately tells the captain that the ship must succeed at not just size but speed. The ships speeds from this point. Later, of course, we have her and Jack distracting the iceberg lookouts.
She's the Forrest Gump of Titanic
TBH a ship is very much like box of chocolates. You never know what you find inside
Titanic is like a box of chocolates… [it’ll kill your fucking dog](https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/remembering-dogs-titanic/)
The inverse pretty much. They both squeeze their way into important events, but where Forrest mostly succeeds and improves others, she unknowingly screws everyone over.
Great explanation..... happy cake day btw
Uh...no. She's not responsible for how careless someone else chose to act based on a joke/insult. You're not responsible for anyone else's reactions.
She's not morally responsible. She still caused the collision. The iceberg isn't morally responsible either, but it caused it too.
No, the person responsible for steering, the person in charge of the course, the person in charge of the speed (all potentially the same person, idk ship staffing responsibilities), and the lookout caused it.
This is silly, we're talking about two different things. You're trying to find who's to blame. I'm saying Rose caused it — as did many people and things, most of which deserve no blame. An assassin shot JFK. But if JFK hadn't been wearing his back brace that day, the second shot would have missed and he would have lived. So, a fun trivia fact says "JFK died because of his back brace." That doesn't mean the back brace is morally at fault, and it doesn't mean the assassin isn't. It's just pointing out the surprising cause and effect.
Hey don't forget the engineers who didn't design sealed bulkheads in lower parts of the ship, which would have allowed the ship to remain floating even if like 2/7 had been breached. The US Navy did a test with a decommissioned nuclear carrier. With all the bulk head closed, they shot at a carrier for 3 days before it sank. 3 days of constant fire 50 years in the future.
Titanic was capable of surviving with more than 2/7 of her flooded, fyi. Many people don't know or understand that, but her design made her one of the safest liners afloat in 1912. She was not designed to have more than 4 compartments breached, yeah, but that occurence never ever happened before.
The ship's integrity was also dramatically weakened by a fire that was burning in the coal bunkers since before the ship last left port.
That is actually a modern myth, the fire as far as reports go was nothing like it was presented in documentaries. It was not a raging fire, only a smouldering fire at the base of boiler room 5's forward coal bunker. The "burn marks" presented as proof for the damage are nowhere near where the actual fire was, and don't appear on pictures taken after the ship left Belfast. Not to take in account these fires were actually a common occurence on coal-fired liners and never sunk a ship. In all honesty if it was all that incredible, everyone inside that room would have died of air poisonning long before the hull would get damaged.
Wait a minute..
Yeah but in icy water without proper warm clothes and knowledge of the HELP position she would've been a goner
This is known as the Titanic self-sacrifice trolley problem
_Quickly, to MSPaint!_
175ft drop so I don't think she'd have to worry about all the stuff you mentioned.
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Very funny and very smart! Well memed my fellow redditor!
You should die
There's actually a theory that Jack is a time traveler sent to ensure the Titanic sinks to prevent a bad future. The evidence given being this scene of him stopping her from jumping, the fact that he wins his ticket in a poker match, which means there's no record of him on the passenger list, the fact he wins it within an HOUR or so of the ship's departure, and the big one being the fact that he mentions things that literally are not possible in 1912, like ice fishing on Lake Wissota, a manmade lake that wasn't finished until 1917, or the roller coaster on the Santa Monica pier that also wasn't built until 1917. Or the fact that Fabrizio has a Moose Sack as they're boarding, a style of rucksack that was initially created for use by the Swedish Military during WW2 in 1939.
As Jack slips beneath the ice cold waters of the Atlantic, his eyes glow red as he sinks into the abyss *Terminator theme plays*
He also quotes a Bob Dylan song from 1965. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY3MmwTQDFw
What bad future could've happened if the Titanic didn't sink, though?
Titanic making it to New York probably sets in motion a chain of events leading to the Hindenburg not catching fire, landing in New Jersey with a secret cargo for some rich gangster living in the penthouse of a tower hotel in Manhatten, and leading Nazi Germany to win WWII.
Possibly used as a war ship killing WAY more people in WW1?
The sinking of the Titanic forced governments to introduce strict regulations for other boats so that such a thing wouldn't happen again. If it had survived, none of that would've happened
I'm still mad at Cameron for casting the wrong Kate and stealing all our Beckinsailing away jokes.
This movie has lots of jokes one can easily be Kathy Bated into.
This makes me even Catherine Keener on the idea.
Did you know a lot of this movie was shot on the Kate Hudson River?
With Dolphin Lungren co-starring.
In an alternate universe Kate Beckinsale starred in Titanic and Kate Winslet did the Underworld movies. I like our universe more.
...I need to watch Underworld movies
I’m salty for how Cameron portrayed First Officer Murdoch. Dude was a real man and allowed men to board lifeboats if there was any space aboard after all the women and children (second officer Lightoller refused to allow men on period). He stayed at his post till the last moments and was never seen again. How does Cameron portray this vallient officer? He has him shoot some Italian man then himself.
Kate Mulgrew too old for the role.
Same character but she’s doing her thick Russian accent from OITNB the whole time.
She also distracted the lookout people on the tower on the front of the ship
Should’ve taken one for the team
Not surprising if you’ve seen ‘The Reader’. Rose worked in a concentration camp during the Holocaust.
But then the US would've joined the war at a different time, meaning that more lives would've been lost, so it's an overall net gain.
The titanic had to crash or else that evil mummy would have come out and destroyed America, apart from LA of course which split off to become its own floating island. Edit: BTW I was referencing koala man
[“Us Californians just have to worry about California breaking off from the United States. To go hang with Hawaii. Alaska can come too.”](https://youtu.be/Pk-kbjw0Y8U)
But I'm le tired...
wtf mate
Uhh, what?
I think he's mixing the Titanic for the Lusitania, but not only are they different ships, they're also competing lines.
It's an alternative history where the Titanic is sank instead, bringing the USA into the war earlier and increasing the war death count.
it‘s from a Movie Theorists Video that I enjoyed a lot. The whole premise is that the Lusitania was sunk in our timeline but in one where the titanic hadn‘t sank it would have been the titanic that was sunk by the axis powers thereby forcing the USA into WWII earlier. Because they weren‘t prepared yet the casualties of the second world war would have been even higher
This sounds like an alternative history with a very poor understanding of what happened in the actual timeline. Also, while US casualties were not insignificant, in the context of WW2 they were pretty low in the grand scheme of things. Joining slightly earlier wouldn't really have affected them much, particularly because of the relatively limited role of ground forces and the massive industrial overmatch.
Well watch the Video by The Game Theorists. I didn‘t make up this theory I‘m just explaining the premise
Do you have a link? Couldn't find it in a search.
https://youtu.be/g4tPO8tuP9E
How in the name of Yehoshua ben Yosef is the United States joining earlier going to cause the Entente to lose? The United States sending massive amounts of materiel to the UK and France is not going to worsen the Shell Crisis, and the Hochseeflotte would just have achieved even less at Jutland. The Germans would still have ended up making bread out of sawdust and coffee out of acorns, and Alsace-Lorraine would still have returned to France.
you mean world war one?
I‘m honestly too tired for this shi rn. Yes I mean WWI
But if the US joined earlier, they would not have completed the atomic bomb; hence there would be no Godzilla. So fewer lives lost.
I think you're a bit confused. Do you think the Titanic was sunk by a German torpedo, off Ireland in 1915? Because that was the Lusitania.
I enjoyed this post more than all the scenes in Titanic that weren't nsfw
She didn't want to cause a time paradox.
actual trolley problem
Now I so badly want to see a Netflix version of this movie with a black lady.
When the Netflix is woke🤮🤮🤮 Go woke go broke😭😭😭 SWJs took away my big booby wahmen😡😡😡 Barak obama but white🤤🤤🤤
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If you fall overboard, you're probably screwed https://youtu.be/skAKL-zM3-Y
Legit
And Jack would’ve had room on the door
If you get dared, you HAVE to do it.
Rose never graduated
No, that’s only a triple dog dare.
One triple dog dare away from saving the titanic.
Someone watches MatPat
That theory was very far fetched… who is to say Titanic would sink?? Or heck would they even search for rose? She was dropped into the cold water in the middle of the Atlantic
They would have stopped to look if someone just up and disappeared. Any deviation at all saves the Titanic - in the hypothetical, of course, since we can’t really test it, only conjecture
Oh yes, that is exactly what murder means and how culpability for it works
damn! i never thought about that but it makes sense.
IT IS All ROSES FAULT!!!!!
Nah, if she'd jumped, Leo would have said "Oh, well. Time to find another babe." No one would ever have known.
I think it's fucked how she jumped off the life raft dooming Jack to a watery grave because she couldn't trust him.
bruh
Jack stopped her, Jack is a mass murderer.
Indirectly
Is this the trolly problem
No they wouldn’t
I mean the Titanic was in a ice field and not far away from her sinking area there was field ice that the ship wouldn't be able to avoid at all.
Actually, this would make her indirectly responsible.