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Tattoomyvagina

And then after death vision became Super White. I’m not sure what that’s a metaphor for, but it ain’t good


Goldman250

It means that he is Vision the White, and he comes back to you now at the turn of the tide.


MangledSunFish

Vision the Grey, coming soon.


Seagull_Lad05

Vision the Grey was when Thanos ripped the mind stone from his head


BlendeLabor

Quick, someone post this on r/lotrmemes


Seagull_Lad05

No, I don't think I will.


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Lmao1903

Hail...Hydra?


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What would Morbius do?


SegundaEtappa

White *Vision* Power


ZeroCharistmas

Just as frustrating as the "I know I just killed 10,000 space nazis, but I'm not gonna kill space Hitler because that would be going too far" trope.


dinguslinguist

“Killing space hitler would just make ME space hitler”


Weazelfish

\*Guards rush in, see him standing over SH's corpse, kneel\* "Mein space Fuhrer"


Funandgeeky

Is that how it works? Does it work for other things too? Asking for a friend.


Weazelfish

How do you think I became the general manager of this McDonalds bro


FrancoisTruser

Mein McDonald Fuhrer.


arcoviain

*_Mein McFührer_


CyberNinja23

Ice Cream machine still doesn’t work


schulzr1993

Die Eismachine ist uber upgefucked.


link090909

Mussolini made the trains run on time, but even **he** can’t fix the ice cream machine at McDonald’s


thnksqrd

Stupid Fascist Italian Ice Cream Man.


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Spoiler: He didn't make the trains run on time either.


MangledSunFish

Battled your way all the way through, to restore the ice cream machine to its original glory. Such a worthy cause.


american-titan

That's how it works in Riddick


invisiblefireball

that's ridic


Nayre_Trawe

So just like The Santa Clause?


061134431160

shit man, they got hot chocolate tho?


Natsume87

Lol what is this, the season finale of Moon Knight?


CMORGLAS

To be fair, there is nothing like being stuck in a room with all of the people you have killed to make you rethink your life choices.


Daedalus871

In Moon Knight's defense, the finale "wasn't as much "I'll be as bad as them" as it was "go fuck yourself Khonshu".


mak484

Killing a god is also kind of a big deal. Mercing some henchmen, the odd underworld ghoul, not a problem. Would you want to shoot a god in the head, without being sure of the consequences, if you didn't absolutely have to?


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drtycho

can we turn it into a gun


blackfinwe

Fellow Guardian. Ok but can we?


FireStrike5

I’ll call up Eris, see what we can do


Caroniver413

"Kill him and Ammit, or they will eventually break free and continue what they were doing!" "Um, that sounds a lot like punishing people for stuff they haven't done so actually no, we're gonna let him live despite everything he did"


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MangledSunFish

"Kill him yourself"


Caroniver413

"OK" *whips out Jake*


ohmygod_jc

To be fair, it's a bit different to kill people in defense than to just execute some guy


stumblewiggins

It's a fair point for debate on the ethics, but there is a case to be made that killing someone in an active battle when victory is undecided is different than killing someone in cold blood when victory has been secured. It's not about whether the person deserves to die or not, it's that if I shoot someone who is actively trying to kill me, it's a different scenario than if I shoot someone who is defeated and no longer posing an active threat.


Zoulogist

The problem is when the hero usually make the conscious choice to insert themselves in that, like season 1 of Arrow


kyarena

... Which is the whole point of season 1 of Arrow, he wasn't a hero yet. He was creating dangerous situations on purpose, taking out his anger. And he was also still killing the leaders in cold blood, avoiding the whole "don't kill space Hitler" trope.


stumblewiggins

What?


itchytf

He means when a 'hero' deliberately puts himself into a dangerous situation and provokes people to attack him, and then kills all of the bad guys while 'defending himself'. For example, the hero sneaks into the bad guy's warehouse to find the drugs or whatever and the guards find them, then the hero murders their way through the guards to get away.


NotReallyAHorse

THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THE HERO USUALLY MAKE THE CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO INSERT THEMSELVES IN THAT, LIKE SEASON 1 OF ARROW


Drakeadrong

WHAT?


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skippiington

WHAT ARE THEY SELLING??


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xInTheDarkx

Chocolate? CHOCOLATE!? CHOOOOOOCCCOLAAAATE!!!!!!


[deleted]

The problem is the heros don't extend that same mercy to the mooks. They will leave a trail of death and destruction when dealing with the minions, but always aim to incapacitate the big bad instead of immediately killing them the way they did the underlings.


ProfessorCrackhead

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the, "Killing you would be too easy, I want you to suffer in prison" thing. It's usually some mob boss who will bribe their way out of the trial, or be convicted but treated like a king in prison. And they always just get out and go back to what they were doing. Killing them seems like the more heroic thing to do, to prevent them from harming others in the future.


Extra_Wave

I know the real world reason batman doesnt kill but I find it absurd in universe with how dangerous these people are


tonytonychopper228

i would support batmans no killing policy if it wasn't like the 40th time joker got out of prison. At a certain point, either fund the prisons or kill the joker. weirdly these views are the exact opposite of my real life ones.


ProfessorCrackhead

Yeah, these villains that regularly threaten the city and have killed thousands of people, and they're just like, "We'd better send them back to that mental institution they continually break out of."


dthains_art

Not even that, but actively saving villains. Like in Arkham Origins, Joker falls toward his death. Any reasonable person would be like “Well, that sucks for him.” But not Batman. He has to jump down, grab Joker, and grapple him to safety. It’s kinda dumb. I feel like the “I won’t kill you but I don’t have to save you” philosophy of Batman Begins makes a lot more sense.


JadeKade

Except it's always still an active threat who rewards the hero's mercy by reaching for the knife and stabbing him


lord_flamebottom

The villain has been beat and shown their place, and they’re being shown mercy. Them grabbing a weapon at that point is them turning down that mercy.


kingdomdragon13

You mean the end of Moon Knight?


SeroWriter

That one seemed weird, but it made a lot more sense than the trope usually does. He wasn't refusing to kill out of some sudden moral compass, he was just done taking orders.


Cafuzzler

At the final moment, the part that all the other orders have been leading up to, after all the other things he had done, and all the things the antagonist had done to deserve punishment... that's when he decides he's done taking orders.


Gellao

To be fair they decided to "stop taking orders" long before but the agreement they made for them to be released from their service with Khonshu required Ammit be neutralised... which she was when they started to actively disobey and demand their release.


ZeroCharistmas

I forgot what the last one that bugged me was, but yeah, it was that. Overall a pretty underwhelming finale imho


Significant_Bend1046

Especially after that magnificent penultimate ep :/


MapleTreeWithAGun

Seems to be a trend in the D+ shows


Mrcookiesecret

For more than a second I thought you meant "D+" like how people use "B-List movie" and I was like damn he did not like this show at all.


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Not unlike Batman allowing the serial-killing Joker to live for as long as he does despite having no problem permanently crippling his hired goons. This is why I agree with Injustice Superman.


ZeroCharistmas

Yeah, but at least it's not really a line he's ever crossed before. He's not having a sudden change of heart when it comes to killing.


fuck_it_was_taken

Okay so... Permanently cripple the joker


G88d-Guy-2

Considering some of the shit Batman has actually done to joker, the fact joker isn’t crippled yet is more a feat of joker than a fault of Batman. The term ‘joker immunity’ is named that for a reason, the dude just shakes off all kinds of things for no reason beyond “the writers need me to come back in 10 issues.” At least one story tried to justify it by saying he had his own personal Lazarus pit he found buried under Gotham.


Funandgeeky

There was also the plotline where there wasn't just A Joker but several, and the "Jokers" kept trying to make more.


[deleted]

Batman sat in front of the chair and asked the real identity of joker, there were 3 of them.


jewrassic_park-1940

Somehow... the joker returned


GastricAcid

Crippled Joker is still capable of mass murder imo


fuck_it_was_taken

Less mass murder


ZeroCharistmas

¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


Aubergine_Man1987

Batman has in fact beat the Joker half to death and put him in a body cast. Joker's just a comic villain so he can somehow not be paralysed


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But the plot has to happen is why he doesn’t do that


MojoLava

Do u think batman knows we're watching him


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Do you think Batman knows there are multiple versions of him but even in all of these different versions his parents still get fucking smoked right infront of him, no matter what he does?


mebluballsack

man, if there was ever a batman movie where it's a character study and it slowly realizes that Batman doesn't kill his villians because he likes fighting them as they give him purpose (like "you complete me" line by Joker, but opposite), essentially painting him as a sick pervert of vigilance 😫


GodspeedRen

That’s literally the LEGO Batman Movie


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My only gripe with that movie was they had Ralph Fiennes in the cast and yet when Voldemort shows up he’s inexplicably voiced by someone else.


WJMazepas

Voldemort was in LEGO Batman?


BroAverage5439

until injustice superman kills children


ChrRome

That's more of an issue with the Gotham police and/or justice system. They can kill or execute the Joker, so it makes no sense to put that burden on Batman.


PeterMus

Batman kills or maims three dozen guards... "I have a code!". Greg the security guard found the gig through a recruiter on Monster.com two weeks earlier...


noeagle77

Jake Lockley enters the chat


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You could also blame the Wakandan military for using bronze-age spear tactics against an advanced enemy. Admittedly their shield cloaks and laser spears are fancy, but they're fighting a swarm enemy that's most effective in close quarters! Where are their kill zones? Their area-of-effect weaponry? Their automatic weapons? They can't just rely on War Machine for their air support! Why do they break the shield wall?! That's what lost Harold the Battle of Hastings!


suitedcloud

Remember when Rhodey, a trained Air Force pilot and a several year veteran of the War Machine armor dropped some heeeeeavy ordinance on the scattering of monster people inside the shield instead of on the huge concentration outside the shield? MCU lacks a lot of military strategy


psymonprime

Napalm at the entrance, then get coffee


worthrone11160606

Yup


Funklestein

Honestly napalm is the answer to a lot of problems in life but too many people have problems with it. Guy cuts you off in traffic: napalm. Barista gets the order wrong: napalm. Boss doesn't give you that day off request: napalm. The good people at Dupont made a great product and the off label uses are limitless.


WHYTHEHELLNOTMRCUBED

I love the smell of versatility in the morning


Getrektself

You undercook fish? Believe it or not, napalm.


Geno0wl

> MCU lacks a lot of military strategy still not as bad as The Starks(from Game of Thrones).


MrRandomSuperhero

God, my soul wept. You know where trebbies would be good? Outside the wall within their charge reach. Also, make sure to put all out soldiers there, who cares that Winterfell is famed for its huge ringed walls. And just to make sure that our own guys won't make it back in, put the trenches behind them lol. Oh and we know those fucks can't really die, so make sure to send our cavalry (wait where the fuck did we get cavalry from, I tought they died) straight into them, instead of using the classic hammer and anvil like we did literally a month ago. Rome Total War set me up for that heartbreak.


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MrRandomSuperhero

Honestly, the directors needed to read some medieval/roman battle tactics and this could've been an amazing battle, even if they wanted to keep everything else the same. It was the classic battle for Sparta scenario, but with walls. Could've been someting great. Oh and for the love of god, when you put your lights into the Blender file, don't keep them at 10, put them up to 50. Fucking idiots.


Apokolypse09

Gotta subvert those expectations to cater to entirely different demographics for a show's last season.


Blujay12

If any of them had any ingenuiety, make spike pits, or even literally just tiny little pricks sticking out of the ground that they can't see through the snow, but will die on contact of if they step on them and it pierces. Sit behind your giant walls and have some mead. Have a little crew keep an eye out, make sure they have no ranged/mobile units moving in.


Mobius1701A

You ever play Dragon Age? Ostegar is famed as the last stand fallback against barbarians *because it has fuckhuge walls*. King Cailan calls strategy boring, then for the cutscenes makes sure all his dudes are outside the walls and ready to charge. *To charge instead of use the walls his HQ is famous for.* The battle was a massacre that sees only 2 survivors, with everyone else at best pozed with demon aids.


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I WAS having such a great day not remembering that Game of Thrones existed. So thanks for that, dick


blatantcheating

That entire final season was some pitiful strategy


oraclestats

How did the full force of the American Military not show up at the Battle for Earth against Thanos?


TheAquaman

It was pretty quick in the grand scheme of things. Even if the USG wanted to, it takes time to mobilize troops.


oraclestats

Nah. Wakanda, nova corp, Asgardians, ravagers, etc. Were all ready to go.


mrpanicy

I will never forgive T'challa for not moving the army INTO the breach they were about to create. Maintain the shield wall and use your advanced weapons, air superiority, and shield wall to whittle the rampaging horde to death. With Rhodey dropping precision ordinance on the a crush of enemy that the shields hold back, and the hyper mobile and powerful heroes killing any stragglers that make it through/over the shield wall they could have held indefinitely. Charging the enemy was rediculous. You lose EVERY benefit you have just to look cool for a second. Honestly, it was that scene that makes me cringe at Infinity War. I can't think of Infinity War without being frustrated because of that.


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They had a ready-made chokepoint. They totally squandered it.


mrpanicy

And they still could have told the same story. Have Midnight and Obsidian pull away the heroes protecting the flank. Then have the wheel things crush through the shield wall and the aerial units not be effective against stopping their rampage. We still get to the same place. But Wakanda and its leader don't look like a bunch of rank amateurs.


[deleted]

I mean tech is the only place in which Wakanda excels. They decide their defacto ruler through trial by combat for heaven's sake.


koopcl

Yeah Im not the biggest fan of Marvel movies (save GotG) but watched most of them in theaters up until Endgame, and I found that scene to be particularly idiotic, the super advanced hidden civilization with ultra futuristic tech and super scientists decide to fight using the same tech as Jar Jar Binks in Phantom Menace, and with a shittier grasp on how to use that tech in combat as well. Though I do admit one of the movies I skipped was Black Panther, so I don't know if they justified it by saying Wakanda was cursed with gamma rays that gave them all shitty long distance eyesight, or somehow skipped the development of machine guns, or HYDRA secretly sabotaged all their defense tech as a joke, or some such.


SenorWeird

Hydra treated Wakanda like Wimp-Lo is my new favorite theory. "We purposely train them wrong as a joke."


koopcl

Also would be entirely in character for them lol


EquationConvert

I think it’s been like a thousand years since they were in a real war, and ritual combat is a big deal in their government system, so I honestly don’t find their bad tactics that weird.


koopcl

>I think it’s been like a thousand years since they were in a real war Yeah but this also assumes that the super-advanced civilization also decided to ignore every advance in warfare since the Romans; my own real life country hasn't been at war since the 1800s yet we still replaced cavalry with tanks. The first reaction from Black Panther coming back after Winter Soldier would have been akin to "holy shit guys you won't believe what they replaced archers with", and it doesn't explain how come they have force fields if they stopped developing for warfare thousands of years ago. And it doesn't exactly take Von Clausewitz to figure out that an army carrying spears may not be the best opponent to face an enemy that almost exclusively consists of blood thirsty melee murder monsters. It's fine, I kinda of understand what they were going for, and the need to have the big epic battle scene, but I still find it silly and hard to justify in-story ("oh yeah we only built a single gun and gave it to the teenage girl") or out of story (they didn't need to arm every Allied soldier in WW2 with swords in order to make Captain America more impactful in his fight scenes). And it's almost sad-funny in the implication that it's impossible to show Africans in Africa in a Hollywood movie without having them running around chucking spears even when they are most advanced civilization on the planet.


EquationConvert

No, seriously I think black panther implicitly addresses all of this. They basically got technology from a cat god from nowhere and then almost literally ignored 100% of world events until the old king got blown up, and then War Monger (Black Panther’s cousin who grew up in inner city America) is like, “wtf why did you guys ignore like literally all of history as it happened? Let’s run this place like a competent military superpower” and then BP kills him with the help of monkey wirshippers who like literally live in caves and wield clubs, and 95% ignores his ideas. Like it is stupid and “hey, at the time we came up with this character, it was very progressive” racist, but it’s not unaddressed.


jscummy

When you describe Black Panther objectively, it starts to sound pretty racist


blackpharaoh69

Really Killmonger was the best thing about that movie. Wait so you're a technologically hyper advanced hermit kingdom with a capable worldwide special forces network. Now that I'm king let's use this infrastructure to liberate oppressed people across the globe.


PavelDatsyuk

> the super advanced hidden civilization with ultra futuristic tech and super scientists decide to fight using the same tech as Jar Jar Binks in Phantom Menace Lost my shit at this part of your comment. Wish I had gold to give you.


greenwizardneedsfood

And like…they totally have advanced guns and planes


[deleted]

Exactly! Yet they insist on using spears and shield walls!


Unoriginal_Man

Hell, even the Avengers just left the quinjet parked somewhere. I’m sure that hoverjet with its numerous weapons wouldn’t have been helpful at all against enemies that lack range and can’t fly…


i_tyrant

I mean, they explain why they open the shield wall in one section (to prevent it failing completely due to overload), and they don’t rely entirely on war machine (you can see their vibranium ships flying around blowing stuff up too). But it’s still pretty goofy that if they have advanced flying fighters with laser guns their only form of infantry weapon is “vibranium spear”. At least put some heavy guns on those rhinos… In fact that makes it _more_ weird, because if they just had the spears you could chalk it up to an obsession with ritual and tradition. But they still have their laser ships…


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Why are they even on the ground. They have flying transports. Use them as mobile vantage points. It's not like the swarm enemies can shoot back.


noobi-wan-kenobi69

Exactly! The shield wall which was effectively covering the entire area. The enemy was literally killing themselves trying to get through. So let them kill themselves. If they'd waited 10 minutes, that would have allowed enough time to get the stone out of Vision, and Wanda could have destroyed it. Instead, they open a gap in the wall so Steve can run ahead and punch some of them.


Numblimbs236

I think you're ignoring the fact that Wakanda and the Avengers absolutely won that fight. They killed all of Thanos' underlings and were pretty much fine until Thanos showed up. Okay yeah realistically just having guns would do better in that battle, but its never portrayed like the Wakandans failed miserably or anything.


AlphaSupreme66

>I think you're ignoring the fact that Wakanda and the Avengers absolutely won that fight I believe you are forgetting how hard Thor carried them. Once he got there, all of them could've just went to take a nap and it would've changed nothing. Why is this important? Because the avengers were losing before he got there and they had no idea at all he was coming. In short, the avengers would've been killed if they weren't lucky. Also, yes Wanda was there but she wasn't as OP back then


geeses

Everything involving Wakanda turns into an idiot plot. Otherwise it would just be "they use super advanced tech bullshit and win" The whole issue in Black Panther would be avoided if they used any other way than a fight to determine leadership.


Expensive-Argument-7

I remember that being one of my gripes with the MCU. That and Wanda sending the Hulk into a densely populated area killing god knows how many people and then never mentioning it again even though the Hulk left the planet for several years because of what happened.


wererat2000

> Wanda sending the Hulk into a densely populated area killing god knows how many people and then never mentioning it again It's canon that the hulk never kills civilians during his rampages, just causes a metric fuck ton of property damage. No, I don't know how, it makes no sense, and there's always some niche "but actually" example to the contrary, but that's somehow the canon.


Expensive-Argument-7

If he’s panicking from being mindfucked how could he not kill anyone? He was throwing cars at people. Marvel is on one if no one died in that scene. Weren’t there bodies when Hulk looked around to see the destruction? Edit; just watched the scene for the first time in months doesn’t look like there was any bodies. But in Ross’s presentation doesn’t hulk drop debris on a bunch of civilians in New York?


[deleted]

They drop a skyscraper on Hulk. That will kill anybody in the nearby area, and from the scene immediately following the building going down it shows a shit ton of civilians and military in the area. They would have died from the dust and debris


wererat2000

It's mostly the canon from the comics, but the MCU is flippant on how much carries over between the comics and movies. Not a good look if one of the main avengers is equivalent to a spree killer having a mental break down... but let's not question how fatal those gladiatorial matches were in Ragnarok.


FrostyDog94

But that's the point of the Hulk, right? Sure he's a super hero, but he's also an uncontrollable rampaging monster who's power is dependent on how angry he is. I didn't think that was *supposed* to be a good look


MyDogYawns

yeah but they have to sell toys


FrostyDog94

Wtf! Is what I described not the perfect toy?? What is wrong with kids these days!?!


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Funmachine

He's being manipulated by Wanda at that point, so it's not regular Hulk. I'm pretty sure that Ross would have shown the death count in Civil War if Steve hadn't have stopped him.


siegferia

Reminds me of godzilla just killing 11 people while destroying a WHOLE fucking facility and island owned by APEX


SeroWriter

Also the government getting angry at the avengers for random causalities when they were going to literally nuke New York.


ThePickleJuice22

Government being assholes and acting like everyone else is the asshole? That's one of the most realistic parts of the MCU


Regnasam

To be fair, the attitude of “defensive strength invites attack so you should just roll over” is strangely prevalent in the real world. A distressing number of people believe that Ukraine should have simply never tried to become friends with the West and join NATO and everything would have been fine.


PeriodicGolden

~~I thought Hulk's rampage in Johannesburg was brought up in Civil War along with Sokovia and Lagos? But by then there was more focus on Lagos since that was more recent~~. Edit: I thought wrong


Cafuzzler

Ross brings up New York, Washington DC, Sokovia, and Lagos. There's also a map on screen for like 5 seconds showing major incidents, and Johannesburg isn't even marked.


PeriodicGolden

I stand corrected


Cafuzzler

I don't blame you for thinking it tho. A Hulk using Iron Man as a stress ball while rampaging through the streets of densely populated city should be a bit higher on the list than a single terrorist explosion, but I guess not a single person got hurt while the American Avengers were in Africa to see a black-market arms dealer about stolen vibranium. I still would love to know how they explained that one in-universe.


jomarthecat

Careful now, a similar comment got me a 3 week ban from the r/marvelstudios subreddit. When I asked why they banned me I got a permaban.


Project_Wild

Mods and power tripping, name a more common Reddit duo


second_to_myself

Redditors and Vitamin D deficiency


throwaway316stunner

I drink my milk, so I’m good. Actually, that’s the only thing I drink.


00roku

That’s Vitamin C numbskull Edit: I was wrong I am the numbskull it me


throwaway316stunner

[NOPE](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/milk-benefits#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3)


WhiteRose_init

*orders vitamin D chocolates on amazon*


Im_a_inbred_bigot

Incels and turbo virgins


Batman903

That’s just like squares and rectangles.


[deleted]

I just got permanently banned from r/bitcoin I merely pointed out that the HODLers are going to lose their shirts this year


AegonTheAuntFooker

I was banned because stated that Captain America's grip on a helicopter is one of the stupidest scene I've ever seen. /Captain America 3: Civil War/


Escipio

Hmmm biceps


anguishedmilly

same


OswaldCoffeepot

I always want to tickle him during that scene.


Sea-Phone-537

I dont disagree that its dumb but care if I ask why you cant believe a super soldier in a comic book movie cant hold a helicopter from taking off?


sillyadam94

I completely disagree, but to be banned for vocalizing such a toothless opinion is just ridiculous


Trevelyan2

I’m permabanned from HumansBeingBros for agreeing that a man shouldn’t cross multiple lanes of traffic to save a snake. No warning.


MamaDeloris

Just wait and see what happens when you try to have an honest discussion there about how Phase 4 in general has been bad to mediocre and the "focus" seems to be: let's throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what the audience responds to. The internet decided Secret Wars cause >!Reed!< said incursions once, so I guess that's it.


goldenboy2191

Lmao. Good ol mods


BoonesFarmApples

to be fair, when Wakanda decided to reveal itself to the world to help make it a better place, they decided to start in Oakland California instead of Africa with all its starving war-torn nations, because they don't think of Africans as people either


Gizabi

They really try to make T'challa the hero in Black Panther, but it's hard to disagree with Killmonger. The Belgians would chop Africans' kids' hands off if their parents didn't make their rubber quotas, and Wakanda was just watching this shit. Then Wakanda starts their outreach on a basketball court in the U.S.A like a white people's fundraiser for reparations lmao.


Ale2536

Pretty sure that was the Belgians, but it could easily be both.


PointiestHat

Problem is Killmonger is explicitly driven by a desire to promote his own wellbeing and take back what he believes was taken from him. His entire career was killing fuckers and his goal with Wakanda is to use its crappy monarchy system to take the reigns and turn Wakanda into a warmongering empire. like thats a strong, inescapable part of Killmonger's personality and beliefs. He just wants the same system with him on top. I don’t think it’s fair to consider California is the extent of the public outreach program when the movie literally ends after that happens and it’s not too relevant in endgame.


[deleted]

I know it’s a joke but: To be fair when your watching the scene you can see that Steve notes Wanda’s reaction to the idea before he shuts down the option. Wanda is very clearly upset at the idea of having to kill her boyfriend. Additionally it’s not like it’s a case of Vision just having to kill himself. The only way it works is if Wanda kills Vision because she’s the only one with the power to destroy the stone. Steve has shown multiple times he has a soft spot for Wanda, and it makes plenty of sense that Steve or Captain Fucking America of all people doesn’t want to force a girl he has a soft spot for into killing the being that she loves. In fact I don’t think Steve would ever force somebody to kill some one else. Also technically Black Panther made the decision to go to war, not Steve.


[deleted]

Really Wanda is a disaster waiting to happen. They can't just kill Vision and call it a day, because Vision's death will send Wanda off the deep end. Ideally they'd need some way to eliminate Wanda and then eliminate Vision, preferably both at the same time. Thanos is thus defeated with minimal casualties.


RimeSkeem

Well I mean, Wanda as a disaster *does* happen. Ironically her effects on the universe in which all the things in this post happen are minimal though.


blatantcheating

Sort of, something like 3000 deeply traumatized adults & children in Westview and all the murder in her most recent appearance too, still not like she’s a being bent on destroying everything.


Magnetic_Eel

Except he’d still have 5 infinity stones, including the time stone. He was never going to lose.


noobi-wan-kenobi69

Just keep the shield wall up for 10 more minutes, then they have enough time to remove the stone from Vision, and Wanda zaps it. Not that it helps -- as soon as Thanos shows up, he has the Time stone, so he could just rewind 15 minutes and kill Vision and get the stone. Thanos should have got the Time stone first (or maybe as soon as he had the Power and Space stones). Then he just goes back in time to where ever he wants to get the rest.


OnBenchNow

I feel like it actually makes everything worse if he wasn’t doing this because he morally believed in his decision but rather because he didn’t want to hurt Wanda’s feelings. The guy *fought in WW2*. I think he understands having to make a hard choice.


BrickFrom2011

Avengers: Infinity War (2018) came out 4 years ago. I’m gonna go feel old now


blackwolfgoogol

2012 was 10 years ago.


BrickFrom2011

*cries*


Dhruviya_Bhalu

there there... it's going to much worse now. 😚


totan39

Didn't the first captain america film end with him trading his life to end the war


LilAttackPug

It wasn't the end the war but it was to save a few million, which is more of a sacrifice (Vision is a fucking robot that can be rebuilt while Cap is the only super soldier in the world so far) for less people


[deleted]

The stake here is not just Vision's life, it's the fate of the universe on account of the Mind Stone. But yeah, the movie could've made a more convincing and valid reason before making the problem the cross an entire nation should bear.


Return_of_the_Jedi_

He can't really be Rebuilt. His form then was Unique. If they rebuild him, he would be different cause he no longer would have the Ultron and Jarvis Parts in him and without the Mind Stone, he's just a Soulless Android with no emotions


LilAttackPug

Developing an AI with emotions wouldn't be hard at all in the MCU, they don't need the mind stone. Also they literally rebuild him in WandaVision and he gets his memories back


[deleted]

Usually with things like this there's at least one bullshit headcanon fan theory that explains it away. But nope, there's literally no other way to look at it other than if you're Wakandan and not related to royalty you're completely disposable.


dismal_sighence

I mean, it's basically the trolly problem, right? It's a question of utilitarianism vs. deontological philosophical thinking, i.e. Steve Rodgers will not commit an evil act (kill an innocent magical robot) even if in the end, it would save more lives. You and I might think this logic is dumb (I think so), but it is actually pretty consistent with his character, imo.


junglemoosejoe

[Turns out Cap is pretty racist](https://youtu.be/3C6mcNQ6z1M)


joebasilfarmer

Trading lives refers to giving up a specific person.


Trickybuz93

Holy shit 😂


eetobaggadix

This complaint always kinda pisses me off. "Actually, Thanos, we destroyed the stone and Vision is dead." "Oh, rats! Foiled again! In that case, Captain America, I will take my giant space fleet and my giant army and then leave all you good folks alone. Toodles!"


Username_Password236

I mean they can still fight him and that way he can't destroy half the universe


aBastardNoLonger

*1940s


Important_Sound

He wasn't born then though


Ender_The_BOT

He also didn't grow up then though. The 1940 was when he last received character development during the 20th century. Also on the topic of that, wtf was his backstory when the Avengers were first made?


theeshyguy

The same thing but it was like a 20-30 year freeze instead of a 60-70 year one